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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 11:27:13 GMT 1
Is Cooper out of reach? His next job will be in the Championship IMO. Cant see any PL club going for him. Yes he could wait for a bigger championship club...a Sunderland..or a Sheff Utd when they go down.... but in terms of a project..ie the backing he might get,,then with our new owner it might be attractive to him and as a club we've proved we can succeed at this level. Sometimes its about timing and how keen he is to get back in. Id be surprised if we havent sounded him out at least and he hadnt seriously considered us if we had. he got a new contract at florist on proper PL terms. No doubt if he gets another job that will stop. So he'll be wanting something very well paid That will be true but he won't be out of pocket from the last gig. So, is he in for a pay day or for building his reputation and his long term career? The problem is many of these managers get on the gravy train, very few have the desire to prove themselves and build their career. It depends on where he sees his career and what his agent also tells him. I would hope that someone with ambition, confidence in their ability and desire would look at Town and say "Now, this is a good opportunity". As opposed to "it's a job".
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Post by ram on Feb 5, 2024 11:27:23 GMT 1
Gennaro Gatuso would kick Ass
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 11:30:33 GMT 1
So you're taking it as gospel from Nicko that because we've spoken to Duff, we've decided to appoint him? Did we not have a shortlist of 10-12, all of whom we will have spoken to? As far as I am concerned the Carousel I speak of consists of all the managers out of work who have been sacked from their previous jobs.I form my own opinions and am not swayed by pillocks like Nixon. Nixon typifies the problem with English football, too many jobs for the boys from a small pool of people. Nixon has contacts he will have had for years, and there is the problem no new blood and new ideas. Look how Wagner was successful, fresh approach and mindset. The people who Nixon probably talks to are likely to have said "I don't see that working" - look at what Holloway and Iwelumo said.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 11:32:07 GMT 1
The problem is whoever comes in is firstly going to have to have an immediate impact to keep us above the drop zone, AND have a longer term strategy to develop the squad into PL candidates within 2-3 years.. We can't afford anyone who says this is a 'long term project'... You're right that this is the immediate problem. We can get frustrated that this is the case but as a few have said someone for now and someone for the future might not be compatible.
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Post by Dan on Feb 5, 2024 11:32:54 GMT 1
Gennaro Gatuso would kick Ass Great shout. Now just for the small matter of persuading him to leave Marseille, his lovely pad in the South of France and a team 8th in Ligue 1 to come and manage in Huddersfield at the arse end of the Championship. Should be a doddle.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 5, 2024 11:37:50 GMT 1
Gennaro Gatuso would kick Ass Great shout. Now just for the small matter of persuading him to leave Marseille, his lovely pad in the South of France and a team 8th in Ligue 1 to come and manage in Huddersfield at the arse end of the Championship. Should be a doddle. SOMETIMES MAYBE GOOD SOMETIMES MAYBE SHIT
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 5, 2024 11:40:11 GMT 1
Gennaro Gatuso would kick Ass Great shout. Now just for the small matter of persuading him to leave Marseille, his lovely pad in the South of France and a team 8th in Ligue 1 to come and manage in Huddersfield at the arse end of the Championship. Should be a doddle. Has he heard of Hotshots pizza in salendine nook?
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Post by hoggy1975 on Feb 5, 2024 11:40:53 GMT 1
Cooper will be in with a chance of the palace job when Roy inevitably leaves.
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 5, 2024 11:42:26 GMT 1
he got a new contract at florist on proper PL terms. No doubt if he gets another job that will stop. So he'll be wanting something very well paid That will be true but he won't be out of pocket from the last gig. So, is he in for a pay day or for building his reputation and his long term career? The problem is many of these managers get on the gravy train, very few have the desire to prove themselves and build their career. It depends on where he sees his career and what his agent also tells him. I would hope that someone with ambition, confidence in their ability and desire would look at Town and say "Now, this is a good opportunity". As opposed to "it's a job". Not sure town is that good opportunity, but we'll see. I would expect him getting offered much higher profile jobs if he waits around, which he can probably afford to do.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 5, 2024 11:43:43 GMT 1
I think the backing Moore qas given in January will attract a decent calibre of manager here. The only sticking point is the league position. To be fair though, if a manager is put off by that then they aren't for us as they obviously don't have faith in their ability.
If we stay up this year I can really see us kicking on, especially given the owner is prepared to put the money in.
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 5, 2024 11:43:58 GMT 1
Makes sense to see how long Worthington can keep the bounce going for. He knows all the players and what they’re capable of, unlike a new manager coming in and learning from scratch, best keep that for the summer break, unless the bounce turns into a rout in the meantime.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 5, 2024 11:44:57 GMT 1
MC is not liked by anyone at Town......Apparently. He's not there to be liked... he's there to sign good players and pick the right manager (this time). Wasn't here here to pick the right manager last time?
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 11:49:57 GMT 1
That will be true but he won't be out of pocket from the last gig. So, is he in for a pay day or for building his reputation and his long term career? The problem is many of these managers get on the gravy train, very few have the desire to prove themselves and build their career. It depends on where he sees his career and what his agent also tells him. I would hope that someone with ambition, confidence in their ability and desire would look at Town and say "Now, this is a good opportunity". As opposed to "it's a job". Not sure town is that good opportunity, but we'll see. I would expect him getting offered much higher profile jobs if he waits around, which he can probably afford to do. That is the nub of the question and really the at the heart of where we are. There are a a few positive words and additional indications of a bright future under Mr Nagle but this is the opportunity to put some flesh on those bones. Cooper would certainly do that, given his profile. As has also been said though our first priority is to stay in the league. It's not an easy choice but if we do have loftier ambitions we need to start to demonstrate that with actions.
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Post by Jimuano on Feb 5, 2024 12:00:09 GMT 1
A quick comparison of a few management options - days in charge, matches, wins, draw, loss, players used, goals scored/ conceded, points per match, games/ ppg - see attachement
Not a lot between these guys
Eustace - did alright with not such a great/low budget squad at Birmingham Heckingbottom - took a recently relegated side full of mostly decent and experienced premier league players back up Duff - did extremely well at two clubs on low budgets, took a step upwards and failed Rowett - similar to Eustace but proven over a longer period of management (Darren Moore - got the most expensive side in league one promoted, failed miserable in the Chamnpionship)
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Post by specialun on Feb 5, 2024 12:05:18 GMT 1
When we appointed Wagner should we have not bothered as it was a risk short term? Whilst the season was younger weren’t we 2 points above the relegation zone. Perhaps we shouldn’t have bothered and focussed on a short term approach, one which still comes with its risks
Of course not
The best long term success would be achieved by bringing in a manager for the long term now
The 6 months Wagner had allowed 1. Change philosophy 2. Start to implement style (but had to get flexible based on resources) 3. Get onside key dressing room people 4. See who could / couldn’t cope with intensity 5. See what we needed 6. Months working with Webber on targets securing them early 7. Pre season plans signed off and sorted months in advance
If we want to push on next season we have to doing things better than anyone else £ for £ or we’ll languish lower half and bringing in the manager we want now maximise chances of progressing next year
Clearly he may have to adapt shorter term but if we get the right man then surely he’d be good enough to understand that
Moores gone now - we as a club have to be equally less cautious if we want to progress
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 5, 2024 12:09:42 GMT 1
Is Cooper out of reach? His next job will be in the Championship IMO. Cant see any PL club going for him. Yes he could wait for a bigger championship club...a Sunderland..or a Sheff Utd when they go down.... but in terms of a project..ie the backing he might get,,then with our new owner it might be attractive to him and as a club we've proved we can succeed at this level. Sometimes its about timing and how keen he is to get back in. Id be surprised if we havent sounded him out at least and he hadnt seriously considered us if we had. Crystal Palace chairman Steve Parish strongly contemplated dismissing Roy Hodgson after Saturday's loss to Brighton but is struggling to find a replacement willing to take over at this stage of the season. (Guardian) Maybe some PL jobs aren’t fancied too. Didn't someone speculate Cooper, Potter etc were waiting for this job to become available 😉 Edit : maybe I should've read the rest of the thread and quoted Hoggys post instead 🥴
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Post by harris on Feb 5, 2024 12:14:28 GMT 1
A quick comparison of a few management options - days in charge, matches, wins, draw, loss, players used, goals scored/ conceded, points per match, games/ ppg - see attachement Not a lot between these guys Eustace - did alright with not such a great/low budget squad at Birmingham Heckingbottom - took a recently relegated side full of mostly decent and experienced premier league players back up Duff - did extremely well at two clubs on low budgets, took a step upwards and failed Rowett - similar to Eustace but proven over a longer period of management (Darren Moore - got the most expensive side in league one promoted, failed miserable in the Chamnpionship) Based purely off these stats, Rowett seems the most sensible option if available
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 5, 2024 12:17:22 GMT 1
Sometimes they do. Ill quote the very first post on Jack Rudoni thread: ’Please this lad isn’t good enough he is poor infact very poor’ If you were being sarcastic, it’s hard to get a tone on social media 😀 Pretty accurate at the time. We needed the finished article not a project. I think most posters at the time accepted he had potential and was probably more a player for this year or even next. Wonder how much a finished article Rudoni would be worth/would have cost? Looking like good business on our end
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Post by waggers on Feb 5, 2024 12:20:00 GMT 1
A quick comparison of a few management options - days in charge, matches, wins, draw, loss, players used, goals scored/ conceded, points per match, games/ ppg - see attachement Not a lot between these guys Eustace - did alright with not such a great/low budget squad at Birmingham Heckingbottom - took a recently relegated side full of mostly decent and experienced premier league players back up Duff - did extremely well at two clubs on low budgets, took a step upwards and failed Rowett - similar to Eustace but proven over a longer period of management (Darren Moore - got the most expensive side in league one promoted, failed miserable in the Chamnpionship) Based purely off these stats, Rowett seems the most sensible option if available I'm confident we'd be safe with Rowett and that appointment would be okay with me. I understand why people might prefer someone like Eustace, Duff, Heckingbottom and I'd be happy with either of those too. My safety hat says Rowett, my slightly roll the dice (slightly) says Heckingbottom.
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Post by kjf on Feb 5, 2024 12:21:44 GMT 1
Hurzeler might be leaving st pauli rumours over there that he has spoken to other clubs
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Post by Melc on Feb 5, 2024 12:26:58 GMT 1
MC is not liked by anyone at Town......Apparently. What have I done wrong.😜
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Post by Melc on Feb 5, 2024 12:40:46 GMT 1
A quick comparison of a few management options - days in charge, matches, wins, draw, loss, players used, goals scored/ conceded, points per match, games/ ppg - see attachement Not a lot between these guys Eustace - did alright with not such a great/low budget squad at Birmingham Heckingbottom - took a recently relegated side full of mostly decent and experienced premier league players back up Duff - did extremely well at two clubs on low budgets, took a step upwards and failed Rowett - similar to Eustace but proven over a longer period of management (Darren Moore - got the most expensive side in league one promoted, failed miserable in the Chamnpionship) Based purely off these stats, Rowett seems the most sensible option if available No thanks.
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Post by detox on Feb 5, 2024 12:41:32 GMT 1
The problem is whoever comes in is firstly going to have to have an immediate impact to keep us above the drop zone, AND have a longer term strategy to develop the squad into PL candidates within 2-3 years.. We can't afford anyone who says this is a 'long term project'... You're right that this is the immediate problem. We can get frustrated that this is the case but as a few have said someone for now and someone for the future might not be compatible. The someone for 'now' could have been NW had he not gone to Aberdeen...and Town were prepared to eat a bit of humble pie. This is a mid season crisis we all saw coming after NW was terminated early.
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Post by harris on Feb 5, 2024 12:43:01 GMT 1
Based purely off these stats, Rowett seems the most sensible option if available I'm confident we'd be safe with Rowett and that appointment would be okay with me. I understand why people might prefer someone like Eustace, Duff, Heckingbottom and I'd be happy with either of those too. My safety hat says Rowett, my slightly roll the dice (slightly) says Heckingbottom. Agree, think he’d keep us up in the short term and we wouldn’t be in relegation battles in the long term. That’s what everyone wants, right?
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Post by harris on Feb 5, 2024 12:43:38 GMT 1
Based purely off these stats, Rowett seems the most sensible option if available No thanks. Who would you like to see in?
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Post by runner76 on Feb 5, 2024 12:46:33 GMT 1
Based purely off these stats, Rowett seems the most sensible option if available I'm confident we'd be safe with Rowett and that appointment would be okay with me. I understand why people might prefer someone like Eustace, Duff, Heckingbottom and I'd be happy with either of those too. My safety hat says Rowett, my slightly roll the dice (slightly) says Heckingbottom. Could do worse than these two - both would be ok with me, plenty good experience
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 5, 2024 12:47:01 GMT 1
I appreciate it’s a difficult appointment for us, but I often think this is over-scrutinised by the people in charge. Moore came in on the back of a decent on-paper record, but proved to be the wrong fit for us.
It’s almost as though teams are over-coached nowadays. I know there’s a need for a style of play, but the games (or sections of games) I’ve seen us do well in this season, the players just seem to be freestyling as opposed to tactics.
The first goal on Sat wasn’t a pre-rehearsed corner, it was a get it into the mixer one.
Maybe these lads just need someone who’ll let them be a bit more free spirited?
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Post by upthetown on Feb 5, 2024 12:51:19 GMT 1
Hurzeler might be leaving st pauli rumours over there that he has spoken to other clubs He sounds like an interesting candidate. Oddly he was born in Houston, Texas too.
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Post by richohtfc on Feb 5, 2024 12:57:23 GMT 1
Looking at the table, if we could put a run together we could fly up the table. Could be quite tempting for someone taking over 4th bottom and potentially finishing just below mid table!
Obviously I’m trying to be optimistic here especially after Saturdays result 😁
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Feb 5, 2024 12:58:26 GMT 1
Hurzeler might be leaving st pauli rumours over there that he has spoken to other clubs Lol, yeah I am sure he wants to go from top of the Bundesliga 21st to bottom of the Championship, just go back into hiding with Castlehill and Kenny Irons. However funnily enough he has been linked with the sc** down the road last summer before they got Farke.
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