Melc
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Post by Melc on Feb 5, 2024 13:01:40 GMT 1
Who would you like to see in? To be honest before Moore went I would have had anyone as long as they got us playing some football. Now though I wouldn’t mind maybe a foreign coach who would bring a different thing to the club, than just a merry go round coach from over here. It goes without saying it could be a gamble, but I guess whoever we get will be just that!
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Post by saintlyterrier on Feb 5, 2024 13:07:58 GMT 1
Gennaro Gatuso would kick Ass It's not ass, it's ARSE!!
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Feb 5, 2024 13:11:05 GMT 1
Just heard … it’s going to be Michael Duff. The ex Barnsley and Swansea manager. They are negotiating terms now!
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Post by saintlyterrier on Feb 5, 2024 13:11:36 GMT 1
Hurzeler might be leaving st pauli rumours over there that he has spoken to other clubs It would be great to have the St Pauli community and political culture coming to the club. But a clash with US capitalism?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 5, 2024 13:14:15 GMT 1
Looking at all those failures on the managerial roundabout realistically available to Town ,they might as well give Worthington a trial after the way he got the squad playing as a team with confidence on Sunday.
He knows the players well and this could be a massive advantage
Lets not replace a failure with another failure as seen so many times at this club in recent times
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Post by detox on Feb 5, 2024 13:14:17 GMT 1
Looking at the table, if we could put a run together we could fly up the table. Could be quite tempting for someone taking over 4th bottom and potentially finishing just below mid table! Obviously I’m trying to be optimistic here especially after Saturdays result 😁 we've been in this position a few times this season, where just another win or two would take us up 5 or 6 places...but we've fluffed it every time. This is particularly true where we've had back to back home games (another pair coming up soon) but we've never won both despite 4 attempts this season, sometimes not even one of them. It's maddeningly frustrating and we've been stuck in 21st place since we lost at home to Cardiff 0-4 back in October.
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Post by jqhtfc on Feb 5, 2024 13:16:13 GMT 1
Hurzeler might be leaving st pauli rumours over there that he has spoken to other clubs Lol, yeah I am sure he wants to go from top of the Bundesliga 21st to bottom of the Championship, just go back into hiding with Castlehill and Kenny Irons. However funnily enough he has been linked with the sc** down the road last summer before they got Farke. As much as I agree they aren’t top of Bundesliga, they’re top of Bundesliga 2
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Feb 5, 2024 13:17:26 GMT 1
Lol, yeah I am sure he wants to go from top of the Bundesliga 21st to bottom of the Championship, just go back into hiding with Castlehill and Kenny Irons. However funnily enough he has been linked with the sc** down the road last summer before they got Farke. As much as I agree they aren’t top of Bundesliga, they’re top of Bundesliga 2 I actually thought I had put Bundesliga 2, just a typo, not expecting us to get Xabi Alonso either just to clarify...
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 5, 2024 13:20:19 GMT 1
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lewy74
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Post by lewy74 on Feb 5, 2024 13:29:48 GMT 1
Thought this was an interesting read around why Duff got the boot at Swansea. A lot of commonality between him and Moore. Duff also had a really poor start which in not what we need. Not saying Duff is the wrong appointment if that is where we go. Just some warning lights flashing. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67626321
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 5, 2024 13:46:19 GMT 1
Thought this was an interesting read around why Duff got the boot at Swansea. A lot of commonality between him and Moore. Duff also had a really poor start which in not what we need. Not saying Duff is the wrong appointment if that is where we go. Just some warning lights flashing. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67626321I think that besides lights flashing, sirens would be going as well. Thankfully we are not a possession-based football team.
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Tiro
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Post by Tiro on Feb 5, 2024 13:47:46 GMT 1
Thought this was an interesting read around why Duff got the boot at Swansea. A lot of commonality between him and Moore. Duff also had a really poor start which in not what we need. Not saying Duff is the wrong appointment if that is where we go. Just some warning lights flashing. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67626321I disagree and think this article actually substantiates what I wrote yesterday: "I don’t think we should judge Duff on his time at Swansea: The issue with Duff at Swansea was, I don’t think, his; he was doomed to fail from the start. It simply wasn’t the right appointment for that club. His brand of football wasn’t ‘the Swansea way’. It’s not possession based, with more emphasis on energy and physicality. Something that was never going to suit the fans or the squad - especially in the wake of Martin’s departure. There was undoubted criticism of him; he tried to change things to his way too quickly and too hard. And the more criticism he took, the more he dug in; not listening to fans and players alike and trying to entrench his values whilst faced with constant comparison to Potter, Martinez, Martin et al. I would also suggest the issues at Swansea run deeper than Duff. Since his departure, they’ve only managed to win three games (hardly a turn in fortune), with one of those coming against Rotherham. They’ve had a difficult run of games, but there are still some telling results and they remain in trouble. His ethos would be more suited to us". Its too easy and very lazy to say 'he's shit / it wont work etc etc' based on his time at Swansea.
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Tiro
Andy Booth Terrier
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Post by Tiro on Feb 5, 2024 13:50:18 GMT 1
Thought this was an interesting read around why Duff got the boot at Swansea. A lot of commonality between him and Moore. Duff also had a really poor start which in not what we need. Not saying Duff is the wrong appointment if that is where we go. Just some warning lights flashing. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67626321I think that besides lights flashing, sirens would be going as well. Thankfully we are not a possession-based football team. Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations.
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 5, 2024 14:03:54 GMT 1
I think that besides lights flashing, sirens would be going as well. Thankfully we are not a possession-based football team. Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations. You have assumed here (ass-u-me). Amongst all the managers that have been mentioned, he would be my first choice. I think he would suit our kind of football and after watching him on the touchline during the Barnsley play-offs, I was impressed with his demeanour. We'll have a better idea after his first news conference if he is successful... you always get an inkling of what a manager is about by how he relates.
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Post by benhomly on Feb 5, 2024 14:06:43 GMT 1
I think that besides lights flashing, sirens would be going as well. Thankfully we are not a possession-based football team. Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations. Couple of things ring alarm bells from reading that article for me - No discernible style of play (Moore anyone?) His relationship with the fans was terrible from the start (Town fans won't like that) Whoever we get will no doubt be underwhelming at first so it will all boil down to results I guess.
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SNOWY
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 5, 2024 14:07:12 GMT 1
I think that besides lights flashing, sirens would be going as well. Thankfully we are not a possession-based football team. Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations. My main concern would be his lack of connection with the fans, we need someone to get behind. May have been a Swansea thing, not sure how his time at Barnsley panned out. I watched a post match interview from his Swansea days and I can't see that washing with the town faithful.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 5, 2024 14:11:58 GMT 1
If Nagle has any aspirations then surely he cannot afford another gamble. He needs to do his research and go after the right man imo, even if he's attached to another club. We cannot afford to be relegated. It has to be the best man for the job.
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lewy74
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Post by lewy74 on Feb 5, 2024 14:12:38 GMT 1
I think that besides lights flashing, sirens would be going as well. Thankfully we are not a possession-based football team. Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations. Agree we are not (or have not been) a posession based side, it's more the lack of connection with the fans (although we had that with Corberan initially), the relatively poor record in the Championship he's had, he did take a league one side to the play-offs, but so did Moore. I personally would prefer a foreign manager but comes with risk.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 5, 2024 14:17:54 GMT 1
After listening to what Nagle wants as a manager, Duff doesn't fit any of these criteria at all. Nagle talks about an attacking style of play and someone who will get involved in the community, Duff doesn't play attacking football and wont move to the area. Therefore i think as soon as Duff (if interviwed) says he wont be moving to the area, for this long term project. Then i think it will be a non starter for Nagle , Duff does not have the same aura as Warnock , who can come up and do a few days a week, with his staff doing the rest.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Feb 5, 2024 14:19:47 GMT 1
If Nagle has any aspirations then surely he cannot afford another gamble. He needs to do his research and go after the right man imo, even if he's attached to another club. We cannot afford to be relegated. It has to be the best man for the job. Unfortunately any managerial appointment is a gamble to a degree. Look at Chelsea, you’d have thought pochettino would have worked out better than it currently is.
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Post by royrace on Feb 5, 2024 14:25:38 GMT 1
I think that besides lights flashing, sirens would be going as well. Thankfully we are not a possession-based football team. Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations. I think the bigger concern is he failed miserably in his first championship role and lost the dressing room and the fans in quite a short space of time. Bit of a red flag with no other championship success to offset. Rob Edwards didn't do too bad after Watford sacked him mind!
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Post by diakhabydaily on Feb 5, 2024 14:33:43 GMT 1
You're right that this is the immediate problem. We can get frustrated that this is the case but as a few have said someone for now and someone for the future might not be compatible. The someone for 'now' could have been NW had he not gone to Aberdeen...and Town were prepared to eat a bit of humble pie. This is a mid season crisis we all saw coming after NW was terminated early. Think we're all gonna have to get over that now. No use crying over spilt milk as they say.
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Post by incognito on Feb 5, 2024 14:35:28 GMT 1
Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations. You have assumed here (ass-u-me). Amongst all the managers that have been mentioned, he would be my first choice. I think he would suit our kind of football and after watching him on the touchline during the Barnsley play-offs, I was impressed with his demeanour. We'll have a better idea after his first news conference if he is successful... you always get an inkling of what a manager is about by how he relates. I do think the current make-up of our squad seems almost tailor-made for Duff - both in terms of the types of players we have, and their character / work ethic. It was an extraordinary decision by the powers-that-be at Swansea to fork out big money to put him in charge of a group that has been purposefully assembled to pass sideways and backwards for the last few years.
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Post by paulmat on Feb 5, 2024 14:35:55 GMT 1
Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations. I think the bigger concern is he failed miserably in his first championship role and lost the dressing room and the fans in quite a short space of time. Bit of a red flag with no other championship success to offset. Rob Edwards didn't do too bad after Watford sacked him mind! Failed miserably might be a stretch. He took over a Swansea team that finished 10th last season, had their manager poached and lost key players, and was 18th after 19 games. They are currently 17th having picked up 12 points in the 11 games since he left. Rob Edwards is a good comparison for not writing somebody off after one short lived failure.
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Post by diakhabydaily on Feb 5, 2024 14:37:04 GMT 1
St Pauli are 5 points clear at the top of the Bundesliga 2. This is a non starter
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2024 14:51:38 GMT 1
Thought this was an interesting read around why Duff got the boot at Swansea. A lot of commonality between him and Moore. Duff also had a really poor start which in not what we need. Not saying Duff is the wrong appointment if that is where we go. Just some warning lights flashing. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67626321Irrespective of what Swansea think is their identity (fair play to them having one, and sticking with it), some of the detail in this article has some unerringly worrying comparisons with our last appointment. The use of the phrase "progressive football" (I'm getting a view that this is the latest football buzz word/gobbledegook that people trot out - ie it means sod all) is worrying too. I am not one for dismissing anyone, especially someone only linked, but my gut feeling isn't good. The plus side is that I am wrong as much as I am right so let's hope that is the case. Or, we find someone far more dynamic, engaging, exciting and truly progressive.
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 5, 2024 14:53:10 GMT 1
Hurzeler might be leaving st pauli rumours over there that he has spoken to other clubs We've arguably got more chance of attracting a rising star called Jan Siewert from Mainz 05 in the Bundesliga 1 division.
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 5, 2024 14:57:34 GMT 1
If Nagle has any aspirations then surely he cannot afford another gamble. He needs to do his research and go after the right man imo, even if he's attached to another club. We cannot afford to be relegated. It has to be the best man for the job. Exactly, and in the meantime he might as well stay with Worthington who knows all the players and what makes them click, as well as displaying nous in formations and tactics.
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Tiro
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Post by Tiro on Feb 5, 2024 15:02:53 GMT 1
Genuine question; having read that article, and identifying that we are not a possession based team, what is it that you're so against? Why do you think it won't work with this squad at this club? I think his name just isn't considered big-enough / good enough to meet Fans' expectations. My main concern would be his lack of connection with the fans, we need someone to get behind. May have been a Swansea thing, not sure how his time at Barnsley panned out. I watched a post match interview from his Swansea days and I can't see that washing with the town faithful. The disconnection came because he didn't intend to play the possession based football they wanted and had been accustomed to. I argue he wasn't the right appointment for that in the first place. Granted he wasn't able to adapt his ethos to suit that of the fanbase / squad, but he was appointed on the basis of his beliefs and to have changed those under pressure would have, arguably, been weak. The club admit (in that article) that they underestimated the identify of the fanbase in making the appointment. I don't think that was Duff's issue. He was perfectly liked at both Barnsley and Cheltenham.
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Post by Mav on Feb 5, 2024 15:04:00 GMT 1
If Nagle has any aspirations then surely he cannot afford another gamble. He needs to do his research and go after the right man imo, even if he's attached to another club. We cannot afford to be relegated. It has to be the best man for the job. Unfortunately any managerial appointment is a gamble to a degree. Look at Chelsea, you’d have thought pochettino would have worked out better than it currently is. Absolutely. X could be a great appointment at Town and two years later be totally shite at Leeds and vice versa. Basically a lot of luck involved in any new management team,be it at Town or any other club.
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