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Post by goodbet on Feb 7, 2024 17:16:26 GMT 1
We have been slowly downgrading the team since Dean got us to the Premier League. CC turned us around and could see what was on the horizon. Why would he stay when he was on to a looser. If you work for a company and it is going backwards and redundancies are on there way you don't stop around unless the payoff is worth it. For anyone who can,they will get on their bike and get out of there asap rather than stay and get either dumped or stick in a dead end company where the atmosphere stinks. I get what you're saying but football is a completely different beast to "normal" businesses and IMO he should have stayed and proved how good a manager he was and show that the season of overachieving wasn't an accident or luck. And what was going to be looser? His tie? His belt? His trousers? [takes pedant hat off] I get where you are comming from, but he is not a fan, we/I wanted him to stay. If I were him and not a fan I would have jumped when I could see what was coming down the line.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 17:18:08 GMT 1
I get what you're saying but football is a completely different beast to "normal" businesses and IMO he should have stayed and proved how good a manager he was and show that the season of overachieving wasn't an accident or luck. And what was going to be looser? His tie? His belt? His trousers? [takes pedant hat off] I get where you are comming from, but he is not a fan, we/I wanted him to stay. If I were him and not a fan I would have jumped when I could see what was coming down the line. Probably in a minority of one, but I'm glad he went when he did. Warnock's spell of 15 games was far more enjoyable than owt I'd witnessed under the Spanish Lou Macari.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 7, 2024 17:19:55 GMT 1
Has it come to light who this mystery foreign manager is yet who made it to the last 2 with duff but seemingly escaped the clutches of the bookies odds list?
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 7, 2024 17:21:29 GMT 1
Paolo Bianco
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Post by dezzly on Feb 7, 2024 17:26:07 GMT 1
He’s on a bookies odds list though.I took that comment this morning to mean they weren’t mentioned anywhere whatsoever. Anyway right now feels like the calm before the storm 😀
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 17:27:51 GMT 1
Una paloma blanca
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Post by goodbet on Feb 7, 2024 17:28:35 GMT 1
I get where you are comming from, but he is not a fan, we/I wanted him to stay. If I were him and not a fan I would have jumped when I could see what was coming down the line. Probably in a minority of one, but I'm glad he went when he did. Warnock's spell of 15 games was far more enjoyable than owt I'd witnessed under the Spanish Lou Macari. You may well be. But what a state we have been in since he left and we are still trying to recover from it. We are passing the baton on to another new manager for him to try and recreate what CC did. We have seen a lot mor $h!? since he left, that for certain.
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Post by H6dds on Feb 7, 2024 17:31:02 GMT 1
Don't know why we are debating Corberan but thought I'd add:
The big spending at the end of the window didn't seem planned and was more of a "fuck, we are in the shit"-reaction, long after Corberan had gone. On the other hand the players we sold seemed to be planned long before Corberan left. All this is based on the itk posters (Maynard, Ben, etc) and their opinions at the time.
I also seem to recall most of the more critical posters agreeing that had we just spent this in the beginning Corberan would probably have stayed and everything would have been good.
Edit: Also, he seemed very unstable (also according to itk posters) but I think he did the right thing (for himself) to leave when he did, we were going nowhere but downhill from that play off final, regardless of how good/bad of a coach he was.
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Post by typical on Feb 7, 2024 17:32:39 GMT 1
We couldn’t, could we?
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 7, 2024 17:32:53 GMT 1
He’s on a bookies odds list though.I took that comment this morning to mean they weren’t mentioned anywhere whatsoever. Anyway right now feels like the calm before the storm 😀 He's not on the skybet list 😜
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 17:33:22 GMT 1
Probably in a minority of one, but I'm glad he went when he did. Warnock's spell of 15 games was far more enjoyable than owt I'd witnessed under the Spanish Lou Macari. You may well be. But what a state we have been in since he left and we are still trying to recover from it. We are passing the baton on to another new manager for him to try and recreate what CC did. We have seen a lot mor $h!? since he left, that for certain. We have, but none of them have overseen the worst defeat in 34 years 🤭🤭🤭 *Before anyone starts. I'm joking.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 7, 2024 17:33:45 GMT 1
Be a good one, he will do well somewhere if he is backed
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 7, 2024 17:34:21 GMT 1
But after we missed out on our top targets! Proving that he had no bollocks. Loved that season's results and the way CC (accidentally/serendipitously?) came up with a way to win but IMO it will always be tainted by the way he bottled it the following season. A manager with balls would have stayed to prove it wasn't a one-off accident. Again, IMO obviously. Figure this out if you will, you've over performed at your company ( a small backstreet firm in Liversedge). Progression is less than the previous year in terms of investment, and a big international firm wafts pound notes under your nose and a life in Greece for significantly more money than you currently earn, free pad, car,the works. I would suggest your head would be turned, and if you say not I would honestly question your outlook to be fair.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 7, 2024 17:36:40 GMT 1
Are you involved in politics? Such a twisted from reality view. O’Brien was one of the better players in the league let alone our team, as was Toffolo, just because you say they weren’t doesn’t make it so. Dean sold players and didn’t reinvest, the team we had just beaten in the playoffs bought players we wanted, again for less than we have spent this window. You do t know Carlos was off whatever but it suits your argument to claim that. Surprised when covering your greatest hits you didn’t wedge in that Fothers would have kept us up and we didn’t need Warnock!!!! Didn't reinvest? How much did Rudoni and Helik cost? A fraction of what we'd sold and Helik was a last minute panic buy cos of the position the team was in 🤷
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Post by dezzly on Feb 7, 2024 17:39:47 GMT 1
Said this other day.surely not but personally would love this.
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 7, 2024 17:43:02 GMT 1
Be a good one, he will do well somewhere if he is backed Also worth remembering post Blackburn game in his twitter diary he mentioned although we were the better team, Blackburn moved the ball around a lot more. So it's possible it resonated with him enough to put the feelers out.
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 7, 2024 17:43:08 GMT 1
I don't think CC would have left if we'd backed him properly in the summer window. Instead we sold our two best players and bought in fuck all in terms of quality. I never really fully get this. There was more or less 3 months of the window to go when CC left the building, and LO'B and HT didn't leave until a number of weeks AFTER CC. How did he know that the powers that be definitely wouldn't have intended backing him more completely, and that LO'B and HT were definitely off (especially given even within days of that pair of transfers completing they seemed to be potentially not happening because of HT's demands - theathletic.com/4165671/2022/07/19/nottingham-forests-move-for-lewis-obrien-and-harry-toffolo-collapses/ ). Even then, we signed Rudoni, Nakayama and Helik AFTER CC had gone, and nobody else of any great consequence really left (Sarr?).
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Post by harris on Feb 7, 2024 17:48:49 GMT 1
JDT would be a strong yes for me
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 7, 2024 17:50:04 GMT 1
Be a good one, he will do well somewhere if he is backed Also worth remembering post Blackburn game in his twitter diary he mentioned although we were the better team, Blackburn moved the ball around a lot more. So it's possible it resonated with him enough to put the feelers out. he's not coming here he's quit of his own accord it's been coming a few weeks he's had the rug pulled from under him transfer wise. I'd hope we'd ask the question but I don't think he is leaving blackburn for town. Nixon would have been all over it, he has good links at blackburn
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 7, 2024 17:51:10 GMT 1
I don't think CC would have left if we'd backed him properly in the summer window. Instead we sold our two best players and bought in fuck all in terms of quality. I never really fully get this. There was more or less 3 months of the window to go when CC left the building, and LO'B and HT didn't leave until a number of weeks AFTER CC. How did he know that the powers that be definitely wouldn't have intended backing him more completely, and that LO'B and HT were definitely off (especially given even within days of that pair of transfers completing they seemed to be potentially not happening because of HT's demands - theathletic.com/4165671/2022/07/19/nottingham-forests-move-for-lewis-obrien-and-harry-toffolo-collapses/ ). Even then, we signed Rudoni, Nakayama and Helik AFTER CC had gone, and nobody else of any great consequence really left (Sarr?). You could throw in kasumu and vaclik too and argue that transfer window was one of our best in recent times
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 7, 2024 17:58:49 GMT 1
I didn't read this that way, I read this as "Come and manage one of my teams for a big fat payrise". I don't think CC would have left if we'd backed him properly in the summer window. Instead we sold our two best players and bought in fuck all in terms of quality. Helik? A panic buy at the end of the window, ages after Carlos had gone 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 18:05:31 GMT 1
JDT would be a strong yes for me Seems a lot of tippy tappy and not much end result. Since they lost Ben Brereton Díaz they have no cut at all. Is this lack of decent strikers or the way he has them playing?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 7, 2024 18:09:43 GMT 1
Didn't reinvest? How much did Rudoni and Helik cost? A fraction of what we'd sold and Helik was a last minute panic buy cos of the position the team was in 🤷 How do you know? many signings happen at the end of a transfer window because often other deals have to happen first. How come when we make one, its a panic buy? With Colwill going back to Chelsea we were always going to bring in another centre back.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Feb 7, 2024 18:12:23 GMT 1
You appear all in on it not been Duff, giving us hope they are thinking outside the box. Get the hard hat prepared if it isn't. He wasn’t and isn’t the prime target, could it happen, yes. Hmmm, very non comital there. He isn't the main target but also if I am wrong he could be appointed. You have been reading too many of Castlehills posts!
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Feb 7, 2024 18:13:37 GMT 1
JDT would be a strong yes for me Strong no from sorba I imagine though.
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Post by harris on Feb 7, 2024 18:14:25 GMT 1
JDT would be a strong yes for me Seems a lot of tippy tappy and not much end result. Since they lost Ben Brereton Díaz they have no cut at all. Is this lack of decent strikers or the way he has them playing? 1.51 points per game in his 90 at Blackburn. Whilst playing good, progressive, possession-based football. Even this season they’re scoring plenty and Sammie Szmodics is the leagues top scorer. If you wouldn’t be happy with Tomasson, I fear you’ll not be happy with anyone.
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Post by midlander on Feb 7, 2024 18:15:38 GMT 1
A panic buy at the end of the window, ages after Carlos had gone 🤔 And only because we had started so abysmally as well. Wasn't part of the plan to spend that but hand was forced due to cheap option on coaching front.
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Post by midlander on Feb 7, 2024 18:17:45 GMT 1
Seems a lot of tippy tappy and not much end result. Since they lost Ben Brereton Díaz they have no cut at all. Is this lack of decent strikers or the way he has them playing? 1.51 points per game in his 90 at Blackburn. Whilst playing good, progressive, possession-based football. Even this season they’re scoring plenty and Sammie Szmodics is the leagues top scorer. If you wouldn’t be happy with Tomasson, I fear you’ll not be happy with anyone. and I would argue that Blackburn's brand of football was the best I saw at our place last season. Their movement off the ball was phenomenal. Seems to well at developing younger players as well.
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Post by paulmat on Feb 7, 2024 18:19:29 GMT 1
Seems a lot of tippy tappy and not much end result. Since they lost Ben Brereton Díaz they have no cut at all. Is this lack of decent strikers or the way he has them playing? 1.51 points per game in his 90 at Blackburn. Whilst playing good, progressive, possession-based football. Even this season they’re scoring plenty and Sammie Szmodics is the leagues top scorer. If you wouldn’t be happy with Tomasson, I fear you’ll not be happy with anyone. I like JDT, think he did really well at Blackburn last season and had a good record before that as well, however I imagine the timing is a bit out on this one, given that we are (hopefully) towards the end of the process. That's not to say they couldn't add him to the mix, but imagine it would be pretty messy. If he walks out on Blackburn and straight into our job, Blackburn would have a jutifiable case of compensation.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 7, 2024 18:20:12 GMT 1
JDT would be a strong yes for me Seems a lot of tippy tappy and not much end result. Since they lost Ben Brereton Díaz they have no cut at all. Is this lack of decent strikers or the way he has them playing? Don’t think it’s the lack of strikers or scoring so much that’s the issue.think it’s more they’ve had fair few injuries and long term ones to key players and the young lads who’ve filled in have made a lot of mistakes.cost them games.tbh it’s attractive but it might be more of a summer appointment.be a fair style shift for our players. I’d add that genuinely think there would be little to no chance it could happen 😂
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