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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Feb 7, 2024 15:59:24 GMT 1
We're getting a Duff when did Julian Clary do his coaching badges?
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Post by Detective Boyle on Feb 7, 2024 15:59:55 GMT 1
It was obvious to all that O Brien was definitely leaving if we didn't go up. We and Carlos knew this. It was also nailed on that we'd continue to do things on the cheap/free if we didn't go up, despite any transfer cash incomings. Carlos polished an average at best/ turd squad that had a couple of golden nuggets in it. That in itself is a success. He left when his stock was high and with a football world seeing him as a success. On a side note, imagine if Kevin Nagle's interest in HTAFC had come a year sooner, and he'd have taken over after the play off final loss. With Kev chucking a bit of money at O'Brien/ Toff to stay for another year, plus Carlos in charge, we could have gone up automatically and had a completely different outlook. Instead we had a disinterested owner at the end of his tether, the cheapest of the cheap and awful managerial appointments and signings. So disinterested he only put the £5m in to cover the losses the following season! I dont think Obrien was even one of our best 3 players in 21/22. Id put him behind Nicholls, Lees and Sorba. Other than the last 10 or so games, Toffolo had a poor season IMO and was rightly dropped altogether at one point. Corboran did leave when his stock was high..something he'd clearly decided to do whether investment was there or not and whether we sold a couple of our better players or not. You are truly having some awful takes recently. LOB was far and away our best player, one of the best in the division.
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Post by twyford on Feb 7, 2024 16:03:37 GMT 1
Are you suggesting that Carlos Corberan took a bung? I didn't read this that way, I read this as "Come and manage one of my teams for a big fat payrise". I don't think CC would have left if we'd backed him properly in the summer window. Instead we sold our two best players and bought in fuck all in terms of quality. Helik?
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 16:04:04 GMT 1
Didn't reinvest? How much did Rudoni and Helik cost? Not anywhere near what we got in transfers fees for toffolo and LOB We spent millions on them. Did you really think we were going to spend £10m? You haven't been watching g Huddersfield Town very long if that's the case.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 16:04:23 GMT 1
I didn't read this that way, I read this as "Come and manage one of my teams for a big fat payrise". I don't think CC would have left if we'd backed him properly in the summer window. Instead we sold our two best players and bought in fuck all in terms of quality. Helik? Rudoni .
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Post by mosher on Feb 7, 2024 16:04:36 GMT 1
Didn't reinvest? How much did Rudoni and Helik cost? Not anywhere near what we got in transfers fees for toffolo and LOB Which is what Town have ALWAYS done, apart from the disastrous PL window. Some of the money was reinvested in the same way some of the money from Boothy's sale was reinvested (not all, just like LOBToff). Corberan just didn't have the bollocks to stick with it and did one at the first opportunity like a cheap Beeston tart being offered a Pretty Woman style payment. And as has been said, he left before the amount of reinvestment had been determined.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 7, 2024 16:10:49 GMT 1
His choices had been ruled out and he know that Dean had decided to sell our top two player's, who would stay? A manager with some bollocks. Seriously? Do you not recall what happened after he left and how we struggled? He could see what would happen if he stayed, why stop and go down with a sinking ship. After all he is not a fan so unlike us mugs he did not stay to witness a miserable season and ruin his career.
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Post by mallyb on Feb 7, 2024 16:12:18 GMT 1
Not anywhere near what we got in transfers fees for toffolo and LOB Which is what Town have ALWAYS done, apart from the disastrous PL window. Some of the money was reinvested in the same way some of the money from Boothy's sale was reinvested (not all, just like LOBToff). Corberan just didn't have the bollocks to stick with it and did one at the first opportunity like a cheap Beeston tart being offered a Pretty Woman style payment. And as has been said, he left before the amount of reinvestment had been determined. But after we missed out on our top targets!
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 7, 2024 16:16:00 GMT 1
So disinterested he only put the £5m in to cover the losses the following season! I dont think Obrien was even one of our best 3 players in 21/22. Id put him behind Nicholls, Lees and Sorba. Other than the last 10 or so games, Toffolo had a poor season IMO and was rightly dropped altogether at one point. Corboran did leave when his stock was high..something he'd clearly decided to do whether investment was there or not and whether we sold a couple of our better players or not. Are you involved in politics? Such a twisted from reality view. O’Brien was one of the better players in the league let alone our team, as was Toffolo, just because you say they weren’t doesn’t make it so. Dean sold players and didn’t reinvest, the team we had just beaten in the playoffs bought players we wanted, again for less than we have spent this window. You do t know Carlos was off whatever but it suits your argument to claim that. Surprised when covering your greatest hits you didn’t wedge in that Fothers would have kept us up and we didn’t need Warnock!!!! If you bother to read the post properly you'll notice the words 'I dont think Obrien was one of our best 3 players....' its what you say when youre giving your opinion rather than stating a fact But he wasnt one of our best 3 players that season. We had to sell because we dont have a magic money tree. Breaking news I know!! Even after selling those players he still had to pump in another £5m to cover losses as parachute payments had ended. Thats the grown up world of finances for you..or probably not for you....but sadly money cant just be invented. Carlos had already lined himself up for the Leeds job had we not gone up and they'd come down. Jesse Marsch saved them on the final day anyway and we fell flat at Wembley. he was going whatever because his stock was very high and the chances of that squad performing as well again and having so few injury issues was very slim, and he knew that. Do you have a picture of Warnock next to your bed?
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Post by benhomly on Feb 7, 2024 16:18:20 GMT 1
It was obvious to all that O Brien was definitely leaving if we didn't go up. We and Carlos knew this. It was also nailed on that we'd continue to do things on the cheap/free if we didn't go up, despite any transfer cash incomings. Carlos polished an average at best/ turd squad that had a couple of golden nuggets in it. That in itself is a success. He left when his stock was high and with a football world seeing him as a success. On a side note, imagine if Kevin Nagle's interest in HTAFC had come a year sooner, and he'd have taken over after the play off final loss. With Kev chucking a bit of money at O'Brien/ Toff to stay for another year, plus Carlos in charge, we could have gone up automatically and had a completely different outlook. Instead we had a disinterested owner at the end of his tether, the cheapest of the cheap and awful managerial appointments and signings. So disinterested he only put the £5m in to cover the losses the following season! I dont think Obrien was even one of our best 3 players in 21/22. Id put him behind Nicholls, Lees and Sorba. Other than the last 10 or so games, Toffolo had a poor season IMO and was rightly dropped altogether at one point. Corboran did leave when his stock was high..something he'd clearly decided to do whether investment was there or not and whether we sold a couple of our better players or not. Judging by the way his career has developed since he left would suggest you're probably right. Don't suppose he's too bothered and good business for Town and him (financially) I reckon.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 7, 2024 16:23:48 GMT 1
So disinterested he only put the £5m in to cover the losses the following season! I dont think Obrien was even one of our best 3 players in 21/22. Id put him behind Nicholls, Lees and Sorba. Other than the last 10 or so games, Toffolo had a poor season IMO and was rightly dropped altogether at one point. Corboran did leave when his stock was high..something he'd clearly decided to do whether investment was there or not and whether we sold a couple of our better players or not. You are truly having some awful takes recently. LOB was far and away our best player, one of the best in the division. One of the best in the division in that role in midfield... but not one of our best 3 players that season.. Nicholls and Lees transformed the defence totally and were incredibly consistent. Sorba was on fire for a large part of the season. Obrien that season was good and reliable, but nothing special. Tofollo went backwards from the previous season, though he had great last few games. The figures some thought LOB was worth when we were selling him were hilarious. We got really good price IMO and so its proved.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 7, 2024 16:26:33 GMT 1
You are truly having some awful takes recently. LOB was far and away our best player, one of the best in the division. Is CS still adamant that Warnock was not sacked ? He was replaced with a long term manager, as it had been agreed he would be during that first part of the season ( or what was intended to be a long term manager) as his was a temporary position. Sacked ..replaced,, whatever.
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Post by mosher on Feb 7, 2024 16:27:05 GMT 1
Which is what Town have ALWAYS done, apart from the disastrous PL window. Some of the money was reinvested in the same way some of the money from Boothy's sale was reinvested (not all, just like LOBToff). Corberan just didn't have the bollocks to stick with it and did one at the first opportunity like a cheap Beeston tart being offered a Pretty Woman style payment. And as has been said, he left before the amount of reinvestment had been determined. But after we missed out on our top targets! Proving that he had no bollocks. Loved that season's results and the way CC (accidentally/serendipitously?) came up with a way to win but IMO it will always be tainted by the way he bottled it the following season. A manager with balls would have stayed to prove it wasn't a one-off accident. Again, IMO obviously.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 7, 2024 16:28:39 GMT 1
Which is what Town have ALWAYS done, apart from the disastrous PL window. Some of the money was reinvested in the same way some of the money from Boothy's sale was reinvested (not all, just like LOBToff). Corberan just didn't have the bollocks to stick with it and did one at the first opportunity like a cheap Beeston tart being offered a Pretty Woman style payment. And as has been said, he left before the amount of reinvestment had been determined. But after we missed out on our top targets! Do they run who the top targets are past you? Just you, the manager and the board of directors know?
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Post by royrace on Feb 7, 2024 16:29:43 GMT 1
What was the best Coventry City could hope for when they re-appointed Mark Robins when they were in the 4th tier & playing their home games at Northampton? Duff isn't my first choice either but I can't get my head around people writing him off. Exactly this, lots are pointing to the fact he failed at Swansea. That may well be true, but the fact is he performed somewhat better than his predecessor Russel Martin did in his last 16 games in charge.(won 4drawn 4 lost 8) and hes now saints manager duff won 5 drew 5 and lost 6. Also noting that if corberan was classed as a failure for losing a playoff final, Steve Cooper also lost one at Swansea too and was subsequently disposed of. So if its a choice of the 2 failed Swansea managers, im surprised one is seen as a possible coup, yet the other option seems to enrage some. Even though instant failure is the only championship experience on one of them's CV and yet the other took a poor Forest team languishing at the bottom of the table to the PL and kept them there and that's on top of two play off campaign with Swansea where they lost out in the semis and then the final?! Surely you're not really surprised one is seen a coup and the other not?! We could also talk about his England coaching expreience. The two aren't comparable in anyway other than they both got sacked by Swansea, but in very different circumstances. I don't think anyone genuinely classes Corberan as a failure for losing the play off semi do they? If they do; they're wrong IMO!!
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Post by incognito on Feb 7, 2024 16:31:24 GMT 1
If it worked at Barnsley why can't it work here? Fans didn’t care at Barnsley cause he was winning. If they’d have been losing, it would’ve been a totally different story. Ask Swansea fans. And it’s easier to get a top end league one squad winning games than Town in the championship. Instant alarm bells for me if our manager is living 3+ hours away. I know what you mean - I've expressed similar reservations myself. He and Shane were RAF kids and were more or less the same age as his boys are now when his dad got relocated from Leeming to Brize Norton (Shane and I share a mutual friend). Fair enough if he doesn't want to put them through the same sort of upheaval for something that will likely only ever be a short term position (in real world terms). He's an ambitious bloke though, and if he's not able to make any commuting arrangement work he's really restricted to a limited pool of Bristol, Cardiff and the West Midlands in terms of Championship jobs. After one failure already at this level he needs to select his next job every bit as carefully as KN etc need to select our next manager. From the bits I've heard & read about him, I'm at least confident there would be zero possibility of the sort of half-arsed approach that Powell took.
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Post by royrace on Feb 7, 2024 16:31:59 GMT 1
You are truly having some awful takes recently. LOB was far and away our best player, one of the best in the division. One of the best in the division in that role in midfield... but not one of our best 3 players that season.. Nicholls and Lees transformed the defence totally and were incredibly consistent. Sorba was on fire for a large part of the season. Obrien that season was good and reliable, but nothing special. Tofollo went backwards from the previous season, though he had great last few games. The figures some thought LOB was worth when we were selling him were hilarious. We got really good price IMO and so its proved. Agree with Tofollo, his form was poor to start with. O'Brien on the other hand was the main reason we finished third, take him out of the team and we wouldn't have been near. Best player on the pitch in most games, let alone the town team!
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 7, 2024 16:32:36 GMT 1
I didn't read this that way, I read this as "Come and manage one of my teams for a big fat payrise". I don't think CC would have left if we'd backed him properly in the summer window. Instead we sold our two best players and bought in fuck all in terms of quality. Helik? Fair comment. I should have added "to replace them"
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 7, 2024 16:35:20 GMT 1
Would town fans be willing to wait if Pep Lijnders was chosen but only at the end of season ?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 7, 2024 16:35:36 GMT 1
Exactly this, lots are pointing to the fact he failed at Swansea. That may well be true, but the fact is he performed somewhat better than his predecessor Russel Martin did in his last 16 games in charge.(won 4drawn 4 lost 8) and hes now saints manager duff won 5 drew 5 and lost 6. Also noting that if corberan was classed as a failure for losing a playoff final, Steve Cooper also lost one at Swansea too and was subsequently disposed of. So if its a choice of the 2 failed Swansea managers, im surprised one is seen as a possible coup, yet the other option seems to enrage some. Even though instant failure is the only championship experience on one of them's CV and yet the other took a poor Forest team languishing at the bottom of the table to the PL and kept them there and that's on top of two play off campaign with Swansea where they lost out in the semis and then the final?! Surely you're not really surprised one is seen a coup and the other not?! We could also talk about his England coaching expreience. The two aren't comparable in anyway other than they both got sacked by Swansea, but in very different circumstances. I don't think anyone genuinely classes Corberan as a failure for losing the play off semi do they? If they do; they're wrong IMO!! He overachieved massively to get us to the final, but he did fail on that day. The side he selected and the toothless tactics were dismal. Forest were equally dismal and were there for the taking on the day.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 7, 2024 16:37:10 GMT 1
One of the best in the division in that role in midfield... but not one of our best 3 players that season.. Nicholls and Lees transformed the defence totally and were incredibly consistent. Sorba was on fire for a large part of the season. Obrien that season was good and reliable, but nothing special. Tofollo went backwards from the previous season, though he had great last few games. The figures some thought LOB was worth when we were selling him were hilarious. We got really good price IMO and so its proved. Agree with Tofollo, his form was poor to start with. O'Brien on the other hand was the main reason we finished third, take him out of the team and we wouldn't have been near. Best player on the pitch in most games, let alone the town team! Well its opinions isnt it. He was a key player..just not as key as some others IMO.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 7, 2024 16:42:19 GMT 1
But after we missed out on our top targets! Proving that he had no bollocks. Loved that season's results and the way CC (accidentally/serendipitously?) came up with a way to win but IMO it will always be tainted by the way he bottled it the following season. A manager with balls would have stayed to prove it wasn't a one-off accident. Again, IMO obviously. We have been slowly downgrading the team since Dean got us to the Premier League. CC turned us around and could see what was on the horizon. Why would he stay when he was on to a looser. If you work for a company and it is going backwards and redundancies are on there way you don't stop around unless the payoff is worth it. For anyone who can,they will get on their bike and get out of there asap rather than stay and get either dumped or stick in a dead end company where the atmosphere stinks.
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Post by royrace on Feb 7, 2024 16:54:51 GMT 1
Even though instant failure is the only championship experience on one of them's CV and yet the other took a poor Forest team languishing at the bottom of the table to the PL and kept them there and that's on top of two play off campaign with Swansea where they lost out in the semis and then the final?! Surely you're not really surprised one is seen a coup and the other not?! We could also talk about his England coaching expreience. The two aren't comparable in anyway other than they both got sacked by Swansea, but in very different circumstances. I don't think anyone genuinely classes Corberan as a failure for losing the play off semi do they? If they do; they're wrong IMO!! He overachieved massively to get us to the final, but he did fail on that day. The side he selected and the toothless tactics were dismal. Forest were equally dismal and were there for the taking on the day. My point was that Corberan's time at Town should not be classed as a failure, regardless of what you think about the way the final went. Like you say both teams were poor on the day and as crap as we were had we got either pen I think we'd have gone on to win it. We won a lot of games that season playing poorly but staying in the game and then finding a way to score.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 16:54:59 GMT 1
A manager with some bollocks. Seriously? Do you not recall what happened after he left and how we struggled? He could see what would happen if he stayed, why stop and go down with a sinking ship. After all he is not a fan so unlike us mugs he did not stay to witness a miserable season and ruin his career. He's a genius, so should have had no problem dealing with the constraints.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 7, 2024 16:57:57 GMT 1
Would town fans be willing to wait if Pep Lijnders was chosen but only at the end of season ? If this were the option I would want a short term appointment to see us through. Fk knows who though. We must stay up. JW is not that guy, and we'd risk ruining his career if we unfairly expected him to do it
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Post by royrace on Feb 7, 2024 16:58:06 GMT 1
Proving that he had no bollocks. Loved that season's results and the way CC (accidentally/serendipitously?) came up with a way to win but IMO it will always be tainted by the way he bottled it the following season. A manager with balls would have stayed to prove it wasn't a one-off accident. Again, IMO obviously. We have been slowly downgrading the team since Dean got us to the Premier League. CC turned us around and could see what was on the horizon. Why would he stay when he was on to a looser.If you work for a company and it is going backwards and redundancies are on there way you don't stop around unless the payoff is worth it. For anyone who can,they will get on their bike and get out of there asap rather than stay and get either dumped or stick in a dead end company where the atmosphere stinks. Yup, same as Wagner, don't blame either of them. There are a lot of ex championship managers out of work, many who never work again as a head coach. Anyone with any sense and a modicum of ambition would do the same.
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Post by waggers on Feb 7, 2024 17:01:12 GMT 1
Agree with Tofollo, his form was poor to start with. O'Brien on the other hand was the main reason we finished third, take him out of the team and we wouldn't have been near. Best player on the pitch in most games, let alone the town team! Well its opinions isnt it. He was a key player..just not as key as some others IMO. Our team in that play off final season was set up very well to fit O'Brien. He's a decent player at this level but he's proven that if a team isn't set up in a way that makes use of his strengths he looks very average. I think we got a very good deal for him, Forest overpaid.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 7, 2024 17:06:22 GMT 1
Seriously? Do you not recall what happened after he left and how we struggled? He could see what would happen if he stayed, why stop and go down with a sinking ship. After all he is not a fan so unlike us mugs he did not stay to witness a miserable season and ruin his career. He's a genius, so should have had no problem dealing with the constraints. Genius is a big word, but he is the best we have seen for a while. I am sure that everyone has a different rating for him, but we would be better off if he was still here.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 7, 2024 17:10:16 GMT 1
He's a genius, so should have had no problem dealing with the constraints. Genius is a big word, but he is the best we have seen for a while. I am sure that everyone has a different rating for him, but we would be better off if he was still here. He was the best since Wagner.
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Post by mosher on Feb 7, 2024 17:12:12 GMT 1
Proving that he had no bollocks. Loved that season's results and the way CC (accidentally/serendipitously?) came up with a way to win but IMO it will always be tainted by the way he bottled it the following season. A manager with balls would have stayed to prove it wasn't a one-off accident. Again, IMO obviously. We have been slowly downgrading the team since Dean got us to the Premier League. CC turned us around and could see what was on the horizon. Why would he stay when he was on to a looser. If you work for a company and it is going backwards and redundancies are on there way you don't stop around unless the payoff is worth it. For anyone who can,they will get on their bike and get out of there asap rather than stay and get either dumped or stick in a dead end company where the atmosphere stinks. I get what you're saying but football is a completely different beast to "normal" businesses and IMO he should have stayed and proved how good a manager he was and show that the season of overachieving wasn't an accident or luck. And what was going to be looser? His tie? His belt? His trousers? [takes pedant hat off]
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