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Post by exberlinerterrier on May 10, 2024 16:39:55 GMT 1
We all know the answer to that question already. It’s because we had some dickheads in the squad. There were, just a reminder, others who did give their all under him. Some of those who did play for him include Lees, Helik, Pearson, Kas, Healey, Turton… Give AB a chance to build his own team - why wouldn’t the players he chooses in conjunction with the recruitment team have the technical ability and attitude he wants them to? How do we know the answer to that question? Why because AB told us there was a problem when he gave us an answer to a question no one was asking. I guess that there are dickheads as you describe them in every squad, some managers can deal with the issues, other managers do something else. I don't think it's particularly productive to frame the discussion around who asked what question (or didn't) or how. Rather, we should look at the correlation between AB's comments and the result at the end of the season. AB's comment in a nutshell: that there were some players actively harming the club's chances of staying up because they simply weren't working hard enough and displayed bad attitudes on and off-field. The result at the end of the season: relegation. Discussing whether someone else might have handled it differently is somewhat beside the point. The evidence we have is that we got relegated, and our coach has pretty much told us why. |
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Post by jerometerrier on May 10, 2024 16:40:35 GMT 1
If he was staying it would be announced - especially now they are trying to sell season tickets The only reason it's not been announced is either he's not decided (most likely) or said no and the club want to get a replacement ready to announce Likely KN gave him a deadline and that will be looming. AB may well be waiting for that deadline in the hope a better option comes along Today is the deadline according to Yorkshire Post. |
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 16:49:37 GMT 1
How do we know the answer to that question? Why because AB told us there was a problem when he gave us an answer to a question no one was asking. I guess that there are dickheads as you describe them in every squad, some managers can deal with the issues, other managers do something else. I don't think it's particularly productive to frame the discussion around who asked what question (or didn't) or how. Rather, we should look at the correlation between AB's comments and the result at the end of the season. AB's comment in a nutshell: that there were some players actively harming the club's chances of staying up because they simply weren't working hard enough and displayed bad attitudes on and off-field. The result at the end of the season: relegation. Discussing whether someone else might have handled it differently is somewhat beside the point. The evidence we have is that we got relegated, and our coach has pretty much told us why. You maybe right. I find it better to look at where we were when AB joined us as a club and where we were when the season came to an end. We can also compare the results of the team when others were in charge and what they were while he was in place. None of these views paint AB in a good light. Some people are just sick of us changing managers, rather than having any evidence that AB can turn the team around. |
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 16:52:17 GMT 1
Whats up? Can't face the truth?  The truth is out there..... Yes it is, but it is always nuanced. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 16:56:55 GMT 1
The truth is out there..... Yes it is, but it is always nuanced. Unlike DATM 😉 |
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 17:00:32 GMT 1
Yes it is, but it is always nuanced. Unlike DATM 😉 It may be here, but can it be spotted if it is.  |
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Post by waggers on May 10, 2024 17:13:47 GMT 1
Some managers can deal with trouble making wasters on a short term basis and get the job done, managers such as Warnock. Interesting that he shipped Thomas off to Blackburn when we were fighting to survive. Other managers, possibly like AB might not be able to knock up a quick fix and get the job done short term. I understand some fans hesitancy to retain AB but the bloke knows how to manage a team, give him a pre season and the appropriate tools he'll sort us out. In our current situation I really don't believe we have the ability to get anyone remotely near his experience. I agree with paragraphs 1 & 2  www.htafc.com/news/2023/january/loan-sorba-thomas-joins-blackburn-rovers/Sorry it was Big Fozza. |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 17:21:13 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on May 10, 2024 17:29:59 GMT 1
I'm not disagreeing the players need rid and that technically and attitude wise aren't good enough. The players are disgusting. He should've took action earlier, send messages out, warned them, I don't know actually attempted to take control of his own dressing room rather than before the final 2 games of the season. Should've dropped them earlier. Stinks of a lack of accountability.
Even when he was picking ''full strength'' sides of players who he calls bad eggs and couldn't be arsed he was still picking weird formations, roles and substitutions. If a sign of a good manager is someone who plays Burgzorg who ended up being unable to trap a ball, clearly couldn't be bothered for the last 7/8 games of the season rather than dropping him for literally anyone else then I despair.Phil Brown had success and look at him now. Felix Magath had success in Germany. Did that translate to England? Where is he now? Too much is placed upon a managers past and their achievements imo. What's more important is someone being the right fit, for the right club at that period of time and the vision. Sadly I don't think this is the club or time for him. I will judge a manager based on what he does here. And I've seen nothing to signify he is the saviour people are making him out to be. All I've seen from him so far has been poor man management, poor squad management, poor selections, poor tactics, poor substitutions and an air or arrogance. Just to add to this, as I'm aware someone might put ''wElL thAtS whAt FothEringHam dId anD looK aT hIm'' 1) MF had a higher PPG (granted, different season and circumstance). 2) Players might of actually listened more to a manager like AB who as you say, has accomplished stuff in the game, rather than MF whose highest achievement was helping Woody and the gang get back to Andys house. If he's bollocked them, dropped them and outed them earlier it might of actually caused a reaction with 7/8 games left. Rather than doing it when we're already down, what was that meant to achieve? What buy-in did he expect from that? That was the gamble he took, and he chose wrong. Pretty much admitted that he'd made a mistake not doing that in the interview he did. |
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Post by londoncowling on May 10, 2024 17:41:48 GMT 1
I just don't have any faith in AB. His set-up, substitutions etc all been poor. His dealing with the players has been poor. I don't think he could manage an erection if Gemmas box was laid there in front of him. So in a nutshell you don't agree that players taking the piss get benched or dropped. You don't agree that the players weren't fit enough to play in his opinion. And you're last point.... he has been a successful manager in Germany. I guarantee players AB wants will be hard workers and play with passion and pride judging his comments since he has been here. He doesn't allow people to slack, take the piss or have an ego. thing is the world didn’t need to know his opinion on certain players so called attitudes players like people are all unique deal with it chastise behind closed doors we all knew Sorba can be precious we’d been told by more than one manager in their own way AB threw his accusations about and that’s all they are once the game was up and his efforts to get the required results were found wanting from where i’m standing his strategy at this moment smacks of a pretty chunky ego |
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Post by Justasmithers on May 10, 2024 17:42:47 GMT 1
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 17:44:17 GMT 1
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Post by DuffMan on May 10, 2024 17:48:57 GMT 1
Castlehill gets it wrong again
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Post by terrierbite on May 10, 2024 17:52:32 GMT 1
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 10, 2024 17:53:43 GMT 1
would Dave AKA justsmithies , be giving the eyes if it was bad news ? i don't think he would . |
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Post by DuffMan on May 10, 2024 17:55:09 GMT 1
would Dave AKA justsmithies , be giving the eyes if it was bad news ? i don't think he would . Depends what you consider bad |
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Post by terrierbite on May 10, 2024 17:55:12 GMT 1
would Dave AKA justsmithies , be giving the eyes if it was bad news ? i don't think he would . Depends which way you are leaning as to whether it’s good news either pro or anti Andre 🙂 |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 17:55:22 GMT 1
Still be plenty moaning whatever it is
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Post by dezzly on May 10, 2024 17:57:29 GMT 1
would Dave AKA justsmithies , be giving the eyes if it was bad news ? i don't think he would . You never know |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 17:57:33 GMT 1
Still be plenty moaning whatever it is Isn't there always. That's DATM  |
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Post by rothwellterrier on May 10, 2024 17:57:53 GMT 1
If André is staying are the club looking for volunteers to go around collecting all the toys scattered about and returning them to the prams?
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 10, 2024 17:58:06 GMT 1
well nagle and the club like Andre , they seem to like what he has done/ being doing. We do not know how he has being to given confidence behind the scenes for example. The way he has being may well have convinced Kev. If Kev has got the answer he wanted/ Andre staying, then this is postive for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 17:59:08 GMT 1
would Dave AKA justsmithies , be giving the eyes if it was bad news ? i don't think he would . Maybe he is locked in his cellar at home with no power and that is a selfie 😮 |
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Post by crux on May 10, 2024 17:59:13 GMT 1
Still be plenty moaning whatever it is Isn't there always. That's DATM I'd settle for a day of folk moaning about having nothing to moan about 🤣 |
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Post by ldotm on May 10, 2024 17:59:33 GMT 1
Fucking hell - Dave is Maynard after all this time!
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 18:00:42 GMT 1
Isn't there always. That's DATM I'd settle for a day of folk moaning about having nothing to moan about 🤣 Amen to that, brother |
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Post by crux on May 10, 2024 18:00:46 GMT 1
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Post by DuffMan on May 10, 2024 18:00:55 GMT 1
Bye andre
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Post by htfcterry on May 10, 2024 18:01:07 GMT 1
For fuck sake. ANOTHER set back.
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Post by NewMill Terrier on May 10, 2024 18:01:38 GMT 1
Gone😐
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