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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 10:11:20 GMT 1
This threads like the script from a comedy sketch show!
The tight Yorkshiremen sketch!
"Well I love that club...Ive loved them since I can remember, like me dad did and his dad before him. I bleed blue and white stripes ,me!
I dont mind paying t' equivalent of a pint of beer and a packet of crisps each week to watch 'em...thats fair...but if they ask me to pay t' equivalent of a pint of beer and TWO packets of crisps a week...thats bloody obscene , the money grabbing bastards!!
I dont care if it's still really cheap compared to everyone else, they can forget that! Dont they know there's a financial crisis on?!!"
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 19, 2024 10:23:37 GMT 1
The club doesn’t have a problem with a lack of revenue, it has a problem with managing its funds. Poor footballing decisions on players and managers over a long period have cost us far greater than affordable season tickets.
The club can put the prices up, that’s their choice, but they are hastily under estimating the impact on the numbers that will renew and I’m fairly sure there won’t be any new uptakes.
Simple, affordable pricing. It works.
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Post by boooothy on Mar 19, 2024 10:29:59 GMT 1
I am surprised that some on here aren't blaming Dean Hoyle for the ticket prices, they blame him for everything else. It’s a good point actually. Don’t drop prices is a basic business principle. Lowering cost lowers the perceived value. If Umbro sold t shirts for 2 quid no one would want them making our kit. So yes i do actually blame Hoyle. Lowering prices was a short term policy and needed reversing years ago. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 10:40:29 GMT 1
The club doesn’t have a problem with a lack of revenue, it has a problem with managing its funds. Poor footballing decisions on players and managers over a long period have cost us far greater than affordable season tickets. The club can put the prices up, that’s their choice, but they are hastily under estimating the impact on the numbers that will renew and I’m fairly sure there won’t be any new uptakes. Simple, affordable pricing. It works. Does it? It works if you have an owner whos prepared to sub all the fans to pay a much reduced amount , AND the extra on top of that needed to be successful. Or it works if you fall lucky and get a manager who can perform miracles with the limited resources he has to work with. But if a club just relies on simple affordable pricing then they'll almost certainly get relegated. The chickens down the road are a good example. By far the best supported club in that division and have been for years. But they have simple affordable pricing ( half the going rate of everyone else in other words ) and theyve been stuck in L2 for years, finishing mid table most of the time. It's not working for them. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 19, 2024 10:52:28 GMT 1
The club doesn’t have a problem with a lack of revenue, it has a problem with managing its funds. Poor footballing decisions on players and managers over a long period have cost us far greater than affordable season tickets. The club can put the prices up, that’s their choice, but they are hastily under estimating the impact on the numbers that will renew and I’m fairly sure there won’t be any new uptakes. Simple, affordable pricing. It works. Does it? It works if you have an owner whos prepared to sub all the fans to pay a much reduced amount , AND the extra on top of that needed to be successful. Or it works if you fall lucky and get a manager who can perform miracles with the limited resources he has to work with. But if a club just relies on simple affordable pricing then they'll almost certainly get relegated. The chickens down the road are a good example. By far the best supported club in that division and have been for years. But they have simple affordable pricing ( half the going rate of everyone else in other words ) and theyve been stuck in L2 for years, finishing mid table most of the time. It's not working for them. It works was in reference to maximising your audience, selling the most season cards. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Mar 19, 2024 10:54:27 GMT 1
The club doesn’t have a problem with a lack of revenue, it has a problem with managing its funds. Poor footballing decisions on players and managers over a long period have cost us far greater than affordable season tickets. The club can put the prices up, that’s their choice, but they are hastily under estimating the impact on the numbers that will renew and I’m fairly sure there won’t be any new uptakes. Simple, affordable pricing. It works. Does it? It works if you have an owner whos prepared to sub all the fans to pay a much reduced amount , AND the extra on top of that needed to be successful. Or it works if you fall lucky and get a manager who can perform miracles with the limited resources he has to work with. But if a club just relies on simple affordable pricing then they'll almost certainly get relegated. The chickens down the road are a good example. By far the best supported club in that division and have been for years. But they have simple affordable pricing ( half the going rate of everyone else in other words ) and theyve been stuck in L2 for years, finishing mid table most of the time. It's not working for them. Reducing our crowds by increasing prices which may in fact result in a lower net revenue isn’t going to work either. And it will mean a shitter atmosphere and more importantly will mean people not going to matches who otherwise would. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 19, 2024 10:56:45 GMT 1
Does it? It works if you have an owner whos prepared to sub all the fans to pay a much reduced amount , AND the extra on top of that needed to be successful. Or it works if you fall lucky and get a manager who can perform miracles with the limited resources he has to work with. But if a club just relies on simple affordable pricing then they'll almost certainly get relegated. The chickens down the road are a good example. By far the best supported club in that division and have been for years. But they have simple affordable pricing ( half the going rate of everyone else in other words ) and theyve been stuck in L2 for years, finishing mid table most of the time. It's not working for them. And it will mean a shitter atmosphere and more importantly will mean people not going to matches who otherwise would. Which makes increases even more ridiculous when you consider the clubs plans to take operational control of the stadium and increase revenue streams on match days at the stadium. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 11:08:44 GMT 1
Maybe we're not a championship club then at the end of the day?
If the only way we can get anything like a viable crowd through the door is by charging half the going rate more or less, then maybe this isnt our level and we're more suited to League 1 ?
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 19, 2024 11:10:39 GMT 1
Maybe we're not a championship club then at the end of the day? If the only way we can get anything like a viable crowd through the door is by charging half the going rate more or less, then maybe this isnt our level and we're more suited to League 1 ? Yeah, you're right, we're more suited to a league we've spent just 22 seasons in during our 116-year history. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 19, 2024 11:14:03 GMT 1
No-one would complain if the prices went up and we saw more investment on the pitch, but there's absolutely no guarantee that's going to happen. In fact, during periods where we've splashed cash, the season ticket prices have been cheaper. I.e. 2008-2012, 2016-2018. The whole thing just seems cynical and points towards an owner that hasn't read the room. Again.
They've got a commercial director, they've appointed a global brand director, perhaps they should start earning their money and start bringing in more sponsors and commercial revenue?
As usual, the fans will bear the burden of other people's mistakes and incompetence.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 11:28:49 GMT 1
Maybe we're not a championship club then at the end of the day? If the only way we can get anything like a viable crowd through the door is by charging half the going rate more or less, then maybe this isnt our level and we're more suited to League 1 ? Yeah, you're right, we're more suited to a league we've spent just 22 seasons in during our 116-year history. But nearly all that wasnt at a time when our fanbase insisted on paying half the going rate!!! It wasn't at a time when money was such a deciding factor as it is in the modern game. It really isnt a coincidence that the clubs with the lowest income at each level tend to be at or near the bottom of the table most of the time. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 11:31:29 GMT 1
No-one would complain if the prices went up and we saw more investment on the pitch, but there's absolutely no guarantee that's going to happen. In fact, during periods where we've splashed cash, the season ticket prices have been cheaper. I.e. 2008-2012, 2016-2018. The whole thing just seems cynical and points towards an owner that hasn't read the room. Again. They've got a commercial director, they've appointed a global brand director, perhaps they should start earning their money and start bringing in more sponsors and commercial revenue? As usual, the fans will bear the burden of other people's mistakes and incompetence.'As usual'...what burden do the fans bear? Not watching successful football for the price of a beer and a packet of crisps a week?! Poor,poor souls! |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 19, 2024 11:38:56 GMT 1
No-one would complain if the prices went up and we saw more investment on the pitch, but there's absolutely no guarantee that's going to happen. In fact, during periods where we've splashed cash, the season ticket prices have been cheaper. I.e. 2008-2012, 2016-2018. The whole thing just seems cynical and points towards an owner that hasn't read the room. Again. They've got a commercial director, they've appointed a global brand director, perhaps they should start earning their money and start bringing in more sponsors and commercial revenue? As usual, the fans will bear the burden of other people's mistakes and incompetence.'As usual'.. .what burden do the fans bear? Not watching successful football for the price of a beer and a packet of crisps a week?! Poor,poor souls! Watching that fucking guff every week. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 19, 2024 11:39:38 GMT 1
Yeah, you're right, we're more suited to a league we've spent just 22 seasons in during our 116-year history. But nearly all that wasnt at a time when our fanbase insisted on paying half the going rate!!! It wasn't at a time when money was such a deciding factor as it is in the modern game. It really isnt a coincidence that the clubs with the lowest income at each level tend to be at or near the bottom of the table most of the time. Yet we got promoted with £179 season tickets. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 11:41:58 GMT 1
'As usual'.. .what burden do the fans bear? Not watching successful football for the price of a beer and a packet of crisps a week?! Poor,poor souls! Watching that fucking guff every week. Hate to break this to you, but this is our best spell in the pyramid for over half a century. For most of my time supporting this club, the idea of just competing at this level was mouthwatering. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 11:44:07 GMT 1
But nearly all that wasnt at a time when our fanbase insisted on paying half the going rate!!! It wasn't at a time when money was such a deciding factor as it is in the modern game. It really isnt a coincidence that the clubs with the lowest income at each level tend to be at or near the bottom of the table most of the time. Yet we got promoted with £179 season tickets. Goes back to- 'Or it works if you fall lucky and get a manager who can perform miracles with the limited resources he has to work with.' It can be done. But it's WAY more likely you'll struggle and probably get relegated if your income is one of the lowest. It just is. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 19, 2024 11:46:42 GMT 1
Watching that fucking guff every week. Hate to break this to you, but this is our best spell in the pyramid for over half a century. For most of my time supporting this club, the idea of just competing at this level was mouthwatering. I'm well aware of that, but watching season after season of overpaid losers putting in one decent performance in 10 has become rather tedious and I'm not really bothered if our league standing is better than it was 50 years ago. It's actually quite irrelevant. Are you suggesting that these last few seasons have been good? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 12:00:23 GMT 1
Hate to break this to you, but this is our best spell in the pyramid for over half a century. For most of my time supporting this club, the idea of just competing at this level was mouthwatering. I'm well aware of that, but watching season after season of overpaid losers putting in one decent performance in 10 has become rather tedious and I'm not really bothered if our league standing is better than it was 50 years ago. It's actually quite irrelevant. Are you suggesting that these last few seasons have been good? Yeah Ive enjoyed them. We havent been relegated into the 3rd tier and have had a season up at the top end.. Been to wembley, had some great wins in amongst and seen many internationals from various countries play for us. If I needed to see my team win all the time to enjoy it Id go get a season ticket at Man City. Id never have started supporting this club. Ive started watching Spennymoor Town every now and then this season. A season ticket there is £250 if you miss the £50 early bird reduction. Same price as us..only theyre in level 6 and are part time...and they know they will always struggle to compete at that level. They have a tiny stand but mostly Its like standing next to a park pitch hoping it doesnt rain...a pitch with a ridiculous slope to it. Yet us being asked to pay anymore than that club's supporters to watch their team isnt 'good value' ? |
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Post by irverino on Mar 19, 2024 12:15:17 GMT 1
No-one would complain if the prices went up and we saw more investment on the pitch, but there's absolutely no guarantee that's going to happen. In fact, during periods where we've splashed cash, the season ticket prices have been cheaper. I.e. 2008-2012, 2016-2018. The whole thing just seems cynical and points towards an owner that hasn't read the room. Again. They've got a commercial director, they've appointed a global brand director, perhaps they should start earning their money and start bringing in more sponsors and commercial revenue?As usual, the fans will bear the burden of other people's mistakes and incompetence. They too will be waiting to see if we play Championship football before agreeing any deals, if we get relegated we could be looking for new sponsors, a new manager, etc.......Who will be to blame? You could start with the bloke who appointed a Sunday League manager after sacking the genius who kept us up last season. |
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 19, 2024 12:19:32 GMT 1
The trouble is, if we sell 16k all at full price, thats £4m.
if we double that price we get £8m, but only if we sell the same amount. Even then that only an extra £4m a year.
More likely we sell half the amount and end up no better off. For many reasons. We're based in a reasonably poor working town, we're used to cheap SCs and we're mainly yorkshire folk.
Im not sure of the league finances but even £4m extra wouldnt put us much further up the league table in terms of income.
So were looking for someone to create miracles. And if that was so easy then why do so many clubs struggle?
Personally think we need to start working on how we create other incomes. I realise that Kev is talking about taking over the stadium and that is dragging its feet, but we've never tried to create revenue through the stadium, that sits empty apart from 30/40 days a year
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 19, 2024 12:22:52 GMT 1
I'm well aware of that, but watching season after season of overpaid losers putting in one decent performance in 10 has become rather tedious and I'm not really bothered if our league standing is better than it was 50 years ago. It's actually quite irrelevant. Are you suggesting that these last few seasons have been good? Yeah Ive enjoyed them. We havent been relegated into the 3rd tier and have had a season up at the top end.. Been to wembley, had some great wins in amongst and seen many internationals from various countries play for us. If I needed to see my team win all the time to enjoy it Id go get a season ticket at Man City. Id never have started supporting this club. Ive started watching Spennymoor Town every now and then this season. A season ticket there is £250 if you miss the £50 early bird reduction. Same price as us..only theyre in level 6 and are part time...and they know they will always struggle to compete at that level. They have a tiny stand but mostly Its like standing next to a park pitch hoping it doesnt rain...a pitch with a ridiculous slope to it. Yet us being asked to pay anymore than that club's supporters to watch their team isnt 'good value' ? [br Town paid fortunes out to underachieve to almost a record amount of failure, that bothers me more than this 2nd season of struggling. The current 'long term planning' for the team carried on this nonsense when it was clear a short term plan was far more sensible before an overhaul could benefit us. I dont think we are a 1st Division or a Championship club, we are where we are due to overpaying for some success, overpaying for dross and then under selling ourselves and lacking investment at exactly the right times over the years. If the cost of a season card next year matches broadly with the prices charged by most clubs in whichever division we are in then its hard to argue with after years of far cheaper ones. Again the timing of cheaper cards then possibly considerably more expensive ones is not good given the current financial issues for millions of people. Our timing over the years has proved to be a serious problem, the sales of players at times has been counter productive for advancement and the current binge on players who then dont play much or at all for us is just a continuation of the bad planning and execution of a football business. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Mar 19, 2024 12:27:58 GMT 1
Yet we got promoted with £179 season tickets. Goes back to- 'Or it works if you fall lucky and get a manager who can perform miracles with the limited resources he has to work with.' It can be done. But it's WAY more likely you'll struggle and probably get relegated if your income is one of the lowest. It just is. Not according to Nagle |
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Post by Sparrow on Mar 19, 2024 12:35:35 GMT 1
The club doesn’t have a problem with a lack of revenue, it has a problem with managing its funds. Poor footballing decisions on players and managers over a long period have cost us far greater than affordable season tickets. The club can put the prices up, that’s their choice, but they are hastily under estimating the impact on the numbers that will renew and I’m fairly sure there won’t be any new uptakes. Simple, affordable pricing. It works. I'd disagree with the first part of this Ben. I don't think the club makes anywhere near enough revenue. I would say we're at least £5m short of what we need to make every year and a good £15-20m a year to make us consistently competitive. I agree we do have a problem managing the funds we have though. We have done since the PL year when we screwed up the budgets and came back down with even more debt than when we went up and virtually nothing in the bank. Hopefully under new ownership and leadership we can generate more revenue and manage the budgets better over the long term. They do need to be careful how much they put prices up. If we're relegated I don' think they can. If we manage to stay up, then it needs to be a sensible increase. The vast majority are feeling the squeeze financially and may not be able to afford too much of an increase. If they go up too much, I may just have to buy one for my son so he can go with him mates and then just not get one myself and go on the odd occasion. You are correct though that simple affordable pricing works at attracting a large number of season ticket sales. |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 19, 2024 12:39:47 GMT 1
As it is families which are mostly struggling why not do a cheap family ticket for parents and kids in a designated area of the ground?, after all it is these kids who are the future supporters of the club. My lad goes to All Saints and he knows only 1 Town season ticket holder, he says all his mates are Liverpool/Man U fans, says it all really.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 19, 2024 12:56:49 GMT 1
Take my hat off to Town for making watching football affordable, sure it’s kept a lot of people as regular attending supporters that would have stopped going years ago.
Looking at some of the players we’ve signed recently not sure increasing income by a million or two would make much of a difference. If it means we cant afford to buy a Rudulovic, Healy or Wiles are we really going to be much worse off ?
Best of luck to the club trying to heavily increase prices on the back of approximately a dozen home wins on the last 2 seasons and one of the lowest win percentages in the entire football league in the last 5 years.
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 19, 2024 13:07:22 GMT 1
Take my hat off to Town for making watching football affordable, sure it’s kept a lot of people as regular attending supporters that would have stopped going years ago. Looking at some of the players we’ve signed recently not sure increasing income by a million or two would make much of a difference. If it means we cant afford to buy a Rudulovic, Healy or Wiles are we really going to be much worse off ? Best of luck to the club trying to heavily increase prices on the back of approximately a dozen home wins on the last 2 seasons and one of the lowest win percentages in the entire football league in the last 5 years. But Slapps says it's the best it's been in 50 years  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 13:24:22 GMT 1
Goes back to- 'Or it works if you fall lucky and get a manager who can perform miracles with the limited resources he has to work with.' It can be done. But it's WAY more likely you'll struggle and probably get relegated if your income is one of the lowest. It just is. Not according to Nagle Well only because hes prepared to put £X millions in to make up for that. I just dont think its unfair of him to expect the clubs supporters to do their bit and pay something just a little more like the going rate for football at this level, even if it only works out at a pound a week more. Some seem to be coughing up their lungs at the very suggestion..which takes me back to the comedy sketch about tight Yorkshiremen!  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2024 13:28:08 GMT 1
Take my hat off to Town for making watching football affordable, sure it’s kept a lot of people as regular attending supporters that would have stopped going years ago. Looking at some of the players we’ve signed recently not sure increasing income by a million or two would make much of a difference. If it means we cant afford to buy a Rudulovic, Healy or Wiles are we really going to be much worse off ? Best of luck to the club trying to heavily increase prices on the back of approximately a dozen home wins on the last 2 seasons and one of the lowest win percentages in the entire football league in the last 5 years. But Slapps says it's the best it's been in 50 years Yup. Its an undeniable fact. Its been terrible for us fans hasnt it. people should be happy to go down. We'd win more games in league 1. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Mar 19, 2024 13:54:37 GMT 1
But Slapps says it's the best it's been in 50 years Yup. Its an undeniable fact. Its been terrible for us fans hasnt it. people should be happy to go down. We'd win more games in league 1. We said very similar about the championship when we were under Siewert. |
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Post by willo on Mar 19, 2024 13:58:42 GMT 1
Well only because hes prepared to put £X millions in to make up for that. I just dont think its unfair of him to expect the clubs supporters to do their bit and pay something just a little more like the going rate for football at this level, even if it only works out at a pound a week more. Some seem to be coughing up their lungs at the very suggestion..which takes me back to the comedy sketch about tight Yorkshiremen! I’m curious as to what you think a fair price for a season card would be next season Capt? |
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