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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 21, 2024 11:27:08 GMT 1
Would be good if people actually did some research and stopped pretending we pay 4p whilst everyone else pays through the nose. www.statista.com/statistics/473324/championship-teams-cheapest-season-tickets-uk-soccer-football/Without going into the how many does each club sell at that price debate, there's plenty of clubs in our ball park. As ben1987 said, it's our commercial revenue that is fucking abysmal. Yes there are reasons why you would expect it to be less than some comparable clubs, especially clubs in the south, but it's less than fucking Rotherham. How can a club who were recently in the top flight bring in less commercial revenue than one in an even less affluent area, who have never been in the top flight and have circa half as many eyeballs on ads? You cant go by cheapest tickets as youre comparing a small amount of seats with the worst view in the ground at one club with ALL the seats, including the best ones at our club. It has to compare like for like seats..ie the price of a ticket in a side stand with a similar view. And ours are EASILY the cheapest at this level, by some way in almost all cases. Ours would be one of the cheapest in the 2 divisions below. Theres possible only Bradford who are cheaper in the EFL. This is correct, I am also 100% not against a tiered pricing I said it before it will be much fairer and if you cant afford to be in the upper tier now because price has gone up then move seats you have that choice it always used to be different pricing, better view should be better pricing but make it very simple with 3 or 4 different tiers. The only problems here is we have been too cheapr for too long for Championship football. The league position, performances should not be something that dictates ticket prices, we have had good seasons and bad seasons with cheap ticket prices just like we will if we put them up to a fair amount. I would have an educated guess that many who moan and complain about the performances on the pitch have only been buying season tickets from the Point of David Wagners first full season and expect it to be like that ever year. Well just maybe that time will come again soon and we will lose some season ticket sales due to the price increase but gain a lot of people purchasing full price match day tickets if we are doing well on the pitch next year. As a club I still think with out income / revenue we are massivly over acheiving to be in the Championship and above for so long, we must increase the income from all areas so that mid table Championship is at very least an expected more realistic place for HTAFC. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 21, 2024 11:27:44 GMT 1
Would be good if people actually did some research and stopped pretending we pay 4p whilst everyone else pays through the nose. www.statista.com/statistics/473324/championship-teams-cheapest-season-tickets-uk-soccer-football/Without going into the how many does each club sell at that price debate, there's plenty of clubs in our ball park. As ben1987 said, it's our commercial revenue that is fucking abysmal. Yes there are reasons why you would expect it to be less than some comparable clubs, especially clubs in the south, but it's less than fucking Rotherham. How can a club who were recently in the top flight bring in less commercial revenue than one in an even less affluent area, who have never been in the top flight and have circa half as many eyeballs on ads? You cant go by cheapest tickets as youre comparing a small amount of seats with the worst view in the ground at one club with ALL the seats, including the best ones at our club. It has to compare like for like seats..ie the price of a ticket in a side stand with a similar view. And ours are EASILY the cheapest at this level, by some way in almost all cases. Ours would be one of the cheapest in the 2 divisions below. Theres possible only Bradford who are cheaper in the EFL. We did this last year, you're guessing. You'll be right in some cases but unless you want to trawl through every clubs websites from last season and analyse who sold how many in what areas you can't say with any certainty what you've just said. It's also impossible anyway because most clubs (including us) often pull the pages down showing any initial early bird prices or sometimes even prices for previous seasons. Best way of comparing is to go through everyone's accounts or via Swiss ramble/price of football and compare match day revenue. If you do this you'll see we are fine and about where you'd expect us to be. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 21, 2024 11:29:15 GMT 1
You cant go by cheapest tickets as youre comparing a small amount of seats with the worst view in the ground at one club with ALL the seats, including the best ones at our club. It has to compare like for like seats..ie the price of a ticket in a side stand with a similar view. And ours are EASILY the cheapest at this level, by some way in almost all cases. Ours would be one of the cheapest in the 2 divisions below. Theres possible only Bradford who are cheaper in the EFL. This is correct, I am also 100% not against a tiered pricing I said it before it will be much fairer and if you cant afford to be in the upper tier now because price has gone up then move seats you have that choice it always used to be different pricing, better view should be better pricing but make it very simple with 3 or 4 different tiers. The only problems here is we have been too cheapr for too long for Championship football. The league position, performances should not be something that dictates ticket prices, we have had good seasons and bad seasons with cheap ticket prices just like we will if we put them up to a fair amount. I would have an educated guess that many who moan and complain about the performances on the pitch have only been buying season tickets from the Point of David Wagners first full season and expect it to be like that ever year. Well just maybe that time will come again soon and we will lose some season ticket sales due to the price increase but gain a lot of people purchasing full price match day tickets if we are doing well on the pitch next year. As a club I still think with out income / revenue we are massivly over acheiving to be in the Championship and above for so long, we must increase the income from all areas so that mid table Championship is at very least an expected more realistic place for HTAFC. What a load of absolute tosh. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 21, 2024 11:33:27 GMT 1
As a rider to my post I could add the fact that I have just sold my LP collection{All rock and metal} for £750,they are probably worth a lot more,but needs must.I don,t consider myself in poverty either but My savings have dwindled 50% this year and I worry for my much younger wife if owt should happen to me. Wish I could have had a rummage  Edit: my old man has still got his Beatles vinyls from when he was a kid/teen/20s. Along with Bolan, T-Rex, Quo and others I bet his collection is worth a mint. do you still have a season ticket and do you still paln to have one next year if £250-£350 ? I feel for you and hope some better luck financially is around the corner for you, times are tough but there is at least some light at the end of tunnel with the latest inflation figures and the chance of interest rate cuts Q3 / Q4 2024, unfortunalty covid 19 will cost everyone in some way for many years to come the money spent needs to be recovered in some way. "my old man has still got his Beatles vinyls from when he was a kid/teen/20s. Along with Bolan, T-Rex, Quo and others I bet his collection is worth a mint." this is amazing collections like this are ace and something to be looked after the value will only increase as years go by. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 21, 2024 11:45:24 GMT 1
This is correct, I am also 100% not against a tiered pricing I said it before it will be much fairer and if you cant afford to be in the upper tier now because price has gone up then move seats you have that choice it always used to be different pricing, better view should be better pricing but make it very simple with 3 or 4 different tiers. The only problems here is we have been too cheapr for too long for Championship football. The league position, performances should not be something that dictates ticket prices, we have had good seasons and bad seasons with cheap ticket prices just like we will if we put them up to a fair amount. I would have an educated guess that many who moan and complain about the performances on the pitch have only been buying season tickets from the Point of David Wagners first full season and expect it to be like that ever year. Well just maybe that time will come again soon and we will lose some season ticket sales due to the price increase but gain a lot of people purchasing full price match day tickets if we are doing well on the pitch next year. As a club I still think with out income / revenue we are massivly over acheiving to be in the Championship and above for so long, we must increase the income from all areas so that mid table Championship is at very least an expected more realistic place for HTAFC. What a load of absolute tosh. is it though everyone moaning seems to expect the below. - Cheap season tickets (lower than everyone else consitantly for many years) - Huge investment in the squad - A Championship side who are at very least mid table every season. When in reality with our revenue and long term history we are - A mid table League 1 side who will have good and bad seasons - ticket prices to be towards the bottom end of L1 (still higher than now) The only current way to achieve the targets the the moaners want is to make the club more sustainable and this is what Kevin and his team are trying to do in all areas, either that or Kevin continues to fund the club with multi millions every year, I would much rather we have a plan to be sustainable with less backing from a wealthy owner this gives us the best chance of moving to a new level and staying there with or without our current custdodian Kevin Nagle. This is a project and with such a big project changes will happen some liked, some not liked some that we wont even notice for years it they way it has to be and for me 100% the correct approach. We will lose some fans, we will gain some new fans again as we acheive more success that is something that is very much known by all at the club, times are changing and people need to embrace it as I expect some good times around the corner for HTAFC again. The only important part right now is to play the best we can for the remaining 8 games and pick up enough points to stay in the Championship this is what should make everyone happy again and ready for a very different season and approach next year. |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 21, 2024 11:48:47 GMT 1
Some seem to be missing the point that it's not just an extra £50 - £100. It's about the total amount you have to pay when purchasing the ticket. A lot of people buy more than 1 season ticket. Adult plus 1, 2 or 3 kids. And in some cases, 2 Adults and kids. So the overall cost is not just an extra £50 - £100. Let's say the adult ticket goes up to £350 & my son's U16 ticket goes up to £150. That's £500 pay for both the tickets. Or I have to get it on finance or put it on the credit card. If you're buying 2 adults and 2 U16 cards it's £1000! Many, many families are living pay check to pay check and have racked up a lot of debts. So finding the money to buy seasons tickets wont be easy. As I say, it's not the increase that's the important thing, it's the total cost of the tickets bought that will be the deciding factor for many people. People who could afford X 12 months ago may not be able to afford Y now. This is my point, the families are being priced out, need a decent priced family ticket. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 21, 2024 11:58:00 GMT 1
What a load of absolute tosh. is it though everyone moaning seems to expect the below. - Cheap season tickets (lower than everyone else consitantly for many years) - Huge investment in the squad - A Championship side who are at very least mid table every season. When in reality with our revenue and long term history we are - A mid table League 1 side who will have good and bad seasons - ticket prices to be towards the bottom end of L1 (still higher than now) The only current way to achieve the targets the the moaners want is to make the club more sustainable and this is what Kevin and his team are trying to do in all areas, either that or Kevin continues to fund the club with multi millions every year, I would much rather we have a plan to be sustainable with less backing from a wealthy owner this gives us the best chance of moving to a new level and staying there with or without our current custdodian Kevin Nagle. This is a project and with such a big project changes will happen some liked, some not liked some that we wont even notice for years it they way it has to be and for me 100% the correct approach. We will lose some fans, we will gain some new fans again as we acheive more success that is something that is very much known by all at the club, times are changing and people need to embrace it as I expect some good times around the corner for HTAFC again. The only important part right now is to play the best we can for the remaining 8 games and pick up enough points to stay in the Championship this is what should make everyone happy again and ready for a very different season and approach next year. Stop talking absolute shite. We've spent 22 seasons in 116 years in League One or the old money equivalent. Just shut up. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Mar 21, 2024 11:59:08 GMT 1
What a load of absolute tosh. When in reality with our revenue and long term history we are - A mid table League 1 side who will have good and bad seasons Incorrect actually, in our history we have spent: - 32 seasons in Level 1 - 42 seasons in Level 2 - 22 seasons in Level 3 - 6 seasons in Level 102 seasons in total. 74 spend in the top 2 division. That's actually 72.55% of our history in the top 2 leagues, with only 21.57% being spend in 'League One' |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 21, 2024 11:59:37 GMT 1
Some seem to be missing the point that it's not just an extra £50 - £100. It's about the total amount you have to pay when purchasing the ticket. A lot of people buy more than 1 season ticket. Adult plus 1, 2 or 3 kids. And in some cases, 2 Adults and kids. So the overall cost is not just an extra £50 - £100. Let's say the adult ticket goes up to £350 & my son's U16 ticket goes up to £150. That's £500 pay for both the tickets. Or I have to get it on finance or put it on the credit card. If you're buying 2 adults and 2 U16 cards it's £1000! Many, many families are living pay check to pay check and have racked up a lot of debts. So finding the money to buy seasons tickets wont be easy. As I say, it's not the increase that's the important thing, it's the total cost of the tickets bought that will be the deciding factor for many people. People who could afford X 12 months ago may not be able to afford Y now. This is my point, the families are being priced out, need a decent priced family ticket. I would not worry too much about this, I was told everyone was looking at ways to get more families and especially wifes and girlfriends to the games and I am sure this will be shown in the pricing offered still increased in some way but at least not as bad as the individual ticket pricing. Although I am sure some would much prefer there Wifes and Girlfriends not to come to the game with them especially at the same time !! |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 21, 2024 12:06:28 GMT 1
When in reality with our revenue and long term history we are - A mid table League 1 side who will have good and bad seasons Incorrect actually, in our history we have spent: - 32 seasons in Level 1 - 42 seasons in Level 2 - 22 seasons in Level 3 - 6 seasons in Level 102 seasons in total. 74 spend in the top 2 division. That's actually 72.55% of our history in the top 2 leagues, with only 21.57% being spend in 'League One' But this is now and our current revenue puts us to mid to low league 1 level that is a fact, other clubs have overtaken us in terms of revenue some of this is down to low season ticket prices and just commercially not being as good as the other clubs something we are trying to change. so looking at this our average position in the table based on history and what level we played in would be somewhere around 17th in the Championship (possibly around where we will finish) yet we are knowhere near this in terms of revenue so back to my point with the current income levels we are massivly over achieving and mainly down to Dean and Kevin plowing money into the club something that is not sustainable. |
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Post by 2ellandback on Mar 21, 2024 12:14:44 GMT 1
Although I have voiced my opinion on the fact that in line with everything else in life, the season tickets should increase. You should be careful not to alienate supporters. You sound very condescending. Right now some may feel like they are paying £250 to be kicked repeatedly in the gonads so a price increase isn't as tolerable as it would be if we were being successful. Thats just supporting this club isnt it? being bottom half of the 2nd tier is 'normal' when things are going relatively well...going right back to Micky Buxtons time when at the peak of it, we were also bottom half of the 2nd tier. I do think, maybe because weve now had a handful of seasons where its been better, that fans make out this is way much worse or even unacceptable than it actually is. You liken it to being kicked in the bollocks..like competing ( at the bottom end perhaps but competing still ) in the championship is somehow not what we should be doing..its beneath us in some way. I dont get why? This whole thread explains why it actually isnt beneath us...to get a championship size support through the door we have to have very cheap prices. If we didnt have those cheap prices, our support might look a lot more League 1 in size. If thats the case.. then this 'kicking in the bollocks' we're putting up with most seasons, is actually the club over-performing if anything! In the same way if Rotherham stayed up out of the bottom 2 tiers for 12 years, they'd be over-performing. Maybe I’ve misunderstood your post but are you comparing us with Rotherham? Average attendance about 10,000 between seasons 2021-2022 & 2022 - 2023. Highest attendance ever 25,170 Highest league position ever 3rd in the second division. Record transfer fee received £1.6 million……..for Danny Ward. Seasons in premier league/ first division 0 Seasons spent in championship/ second division 26 Seasons spent in division three 47 Seasons spent in division four 13. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 21, 2024 12:15:09 GMT 1
Would be good if people actually did some research and stopped pretending we pay 4p whilst everyone else pays through the nose. www.statista.com/statistics/473324/championship-teams-cheapest-season-tickets-uk-soccer-football/Without going into the how many does each club sell at that price debate, there's plenty of clubs in our ball park. As ben1987 said, it's our commercial revenue that is fucking abysmal. Yes there are reasons why you would expect it to be less than some comparable clubs, especially clubs in the south, but it's less than fucking Rotherham. How can a club who were recently in the top flight bring in less commercial revenue than one in an even less affluent area, who have never been in the top flight and have circa half as many eyeballs on ads? You’re just arguing with people who will not look at what’s been said and just keep banging the ‘season ticket prices need to increase’ drum. The likes of Slapps or Castlehillterrier (who I suspect works at the club given the pricing points he’s put up here, only people at the club would know that) haven’t actually replied to my previous post on commercial income because it doesn’t suit their narrative. It’s just pointless arguing with them, you get no where. To be brutally honest, I’m becoming so disillusioned with the whole club at the moment and I’ll accept that I’m in a negative mindset at the moment but all the work that was done to capture the hearts and minds of town fans 2016 onwards is unravelling and if they go down the route I think they’ll go down, we won’t see those feelings, vibes, atmospheres, togetherness again. That era onwards, a siege mentality was created, the stadium was vibrant, all the stands were well filled, everyone was ready for a fight. No price increase is going to make us more competitive. If (I think they will) the club increases prices and (I think they will) bring in categories, it’ll be a huge own goal and our numbers will plummet. Then it’ll be a drop off in match day revenues, atmospheres will get worse (all the anti Cowshed Loyal will emerge to remind us) because there’s less fans, less inspired players… the whole lot will be a lesser experience. What’s coming is similar to what we saw under Powell in the stands. |
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Post by Tango on Mar 21, 2024 12:15:50 GMT 1
Seeing as HTAFC was reportedly bought because there are many similarities with the Sac Republic public (working class area, etc.), I thought i'd look at their Season Ticket prices: Endline (equivalent to our South Stand): $319 (or $17.72/game) = £250 / £13.89 West Midfield (equivalent to our Riverside, central block): $990 (or $55/game) = £775 / £43.06 Based on 18 home games. They essentially get 25% saving on matchday prices. This is for football at the 2nd level in their country (same as we are for ours). No idea who the biggest/most affluent teams are in their league, so I can't show any comparisons, but it does show that there is a big difference in matchday prices between the cheapest and the dearest. Info from their website: www.sacrepublicfc.com/MEMBERSHIPS/ |
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Post by 2ellandback on Mar 21, 2024 12:26:56 GMT 1
Seeing as HTAFC was reportedly bought because there are many similarities with the Sac Republic public (working class area, etc.), I thought i'd look at their Season Ticket prices: Endline (equivalent to our South Stand): $319 (or $17.72/game) = £250 / £13.89 West Midfield (equivalent to our Riverside, central block): $990 (or $55/game) = £775 / £43.06 Based on 18 home games. They essentially get 25% saving on matchday prices. This is for football at the 2nd level in their country (same as we are for ours). No idea who the biggest/most affluent teams are in their league, so I can't show any comparisons, but it does show that there is a big difference in matchday prices between the cheapest and the dearest. Info from their website: www.sacrepublicfc.com/MEMBERSHIPS/ Also need to take into account that the average US household is almost a third richer than its UK counterpart. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Mar 21, 2024 12:30:08 GMT 1
Incorrect actually, in our history we have spent: - 32 seasons in Level 1 - 42 seasons in Level 2 - 22 seasons in Level 3 - 6 seasons in Level 102 seasons in total. 74 spend in the top 2 division. That's actually 72.55% of our history in the top 2 leagues, with only 21.57% being spend in 'League One' But this is now and our current revenue puts us to mid to low league 1 level that is a fact, other clubs have overtaken us in terms of revenue some of this is down to low season ticket prices and just commercially not being as good as the other clubs something we are trying to change. so looking at this our average position in the table based on history and what level we played in would be somewhere around 17th in the Championship (possibly around where we will finish) yet we are knowhere near this in terms of revenue so back to my point with the current income levels we are massivly over achieving and mainly down to Dean and Kevin plowing money into the club something that is not sustainable. I'd argue that MOST of the reason our income being low is due to poor commercial performance, both historically and still now. As pointed out by Ben1987 earlier in the thread, in 2022 Bristol City and Towns matchday income was £5.2m, so actually the season card price makes no difference in that example, and Coventry and Blackburn actually had LOWER matchday income than Town, so again even though we are selling season cards lower than all 3 clubs mentioned we are actually making more money. Season card income for a club like Town isn't a big enough proportion of income to worry about. Adding an extra £50/£100 to the ticket price, but potentially losing a lot of sales wont make a big enough difference to make it worth while. We have to look at maximising income via other methods. To re-iterate again again, Bristol commercial income in 2022 was £15.8m, our was £4.1m. That's the reason why we are 'poor' in relation to our Championship rivals, not because we sell season cards at a reasonable price. |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 21, 2024 12:36:09 GMT 1
This is my point, the families are being priced out, need a decent priced family ticket. I would not worry too much about this, I was told everyone was looking at ways to get more families and especially wifes and girlfriends to the games and I am sure this will be shown in the pricing offered still increased in some way but at least not as bad as the individual ticket pricing. Although I am sure some would much prefer there Wifes and Girlfriends not to come to the game with them especially at the same time !! Kids are the future supporters and seeing a large proportion of the local kids walking around in their Liverpool/man utd shirts is infuriating, Town should be doing everything to ensure they are walking around in blue and white stripes. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 21, 2024 12:37:31 GMT 1
But this is now and our current revenue puts us to mid to low league 1 level that is a fact, other clubs have overtaken us in terms of revenue some of this is down to low season ticket prices and just commercially not being as good as the other clubs something we are trying to change. so looking at this our average position in the table based on history and what level we played in would be somewhere around 17th in the Championship (possibly around where we will finish) yet we are knowhere near this in terms of revenue so back to my point with the current income levels we are massivly over achieving and mainly down to Dean and Kevin plowing money into the club something that is not sustainable. I'd argue that MOST of the reason our income being low is due to poor commercial performance, both historically and still now. As pointed out by Ben1987 earlier in the thread, in 2022 Bristol City and Towns matchday income was £5.2m, so actually the season card price makes no difference in that example, and Coventry and Blackburn actually had LOWER matchday income than Town, so again even though we are selling season cards lower than all 3 clubs mentioned we are actually making more money. Season card income for a club like Town isn't a big enough proportion of income to worry about. Adding an extra £50/£100 to the ticket price, but potentially losing a lot of sales wont make a big enough difference to make it worth while. We have to look at maximising income via other methods. To re-iterate again again, Bristol commercial income in 2022 was £15.8m, our was £4.1m. That's the reason why we are 'poor' in relation to our Championship rivals, not because we sell season cards at a reasonable price. it is part of it though, I am am not saying we make the tickets over priced far from it jsut that they need to be more than they are now having them range between £300 - £380 depending on the seat would make us still one of the cheapest around and a fair price. Putting them up to £380 - £450 for example I think despite it still being bang average pricing for Championship / L1 tickets is too much, the £250.00 is just too low. You are correct our commercial side is the part that needs most change and this is happening, but we need to gain income from all areas to make it work and seaosn tickets is one and hopefully the prices are not too high for the majority to afford. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 21, 2024 12:40:51 GMT 1
Would be good if people actually did some research and stopped pretending we pay 4p whilst everyone else pays through the nose. www.statista.com/statistics/473324/championship-teams-cheapest-season-tickets-uk-soccer-football/Without going into the how many does each club sell at that price debate, there's plenty of clubs in our ball park. As ben1987 said, it's our commercial revenue that is fucking abysmal. Yes there are reasons why you would expect it to be less than some comparable clubs, especially clubs in the south, but it's less than fucking Rotherham. How can a club who were recently in the top flight bring in less commercial revenue than one in an even less affluent area, who have never been in the top flight and have circa half as many eyeballs on ads? You’re just arguing with people who will not look at what’s been said and just keep banging the ‘season ticket prices need to increase’ drum. The likes of Slapps or Castlehillterrier (who I suspect works at the club given the pricing points he’s put up here, only people at the club would know that) haven’t actually replied to my previous post on commercial income because it doesn’t suit their narrative. It’s just pointless arguing with them, you get no where. To be brutally honest, I’m becoming so disillusioned with the whole club at the moment and I’ll accept that I’m in a negative mindset at the moment but all the work that was done to capture the hearts and minds of town fans 2016 onwards is unravelling and if they go down the route I think they’ll go down, we won’t see those feelings, vibes, atmospheres, togetherness again. That era onwards, a siege mentality was created, the stadium was vibrant, all the stands were well filled, everyone was ready for a fight. No price increase is going to make us more competitive. If (I think they will) the club increases prices and (I think they will) bring in categories, it’ll be a huge own goal and our numbers will plummet. Then it’ll be a drop off in match day revenues, atmospheres will get worse (all the anti Cowshed Loyal will emerge to remind us) because there’s less fans, less inspired players… the whole lot will be a lesser experience. What’s coming is similar to what we saw under Powell in the stands. If indeed CHT does work at the club, then it's no wonder we're fucked. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Mar 21, 2024 12:47:26 GMT 1
I'd argue that MOST of the reason our income being low is due to poor commercial performance, both historically and still now. As pointed out by Ben1987 earlier in the thread, in 2022 Bristol City and Towns matchday income was £5.2m, so actually the season card price makes no difference in that example, and Coventry and Blackburn actually had LOWER matchday income than Town, so again even though we are selling season cards lower than all 3 clubs mentioned we are actually making more money. Season card income for a club like Town isn't a big enough proportion of income to worry about. Adding an extra £50/£100 to the ticket price, but potentially losing a lot of sales wont make a big enough difference to make it worth while. We have to look at maximising income via other methods. To re-iterate again again, Bristol commercial income in 2022 was £15.8m, our was £4.1m. That's the reason why we are 'poor' in relation to our Championship rivals, not because we sell season cards at a reasonable price. it is part of it though, I am am not saying we make the tickets over priced far from it jsut that they need to be more than they are now having them range between £300 - £380 depending on the seat would make us still one of the cheapest around and a fair price. Putting them up to £380 - £450 for example I think despite it still being bang average pricing for Championship / L1 tickets is too much, the £250.00 is just too low. You are correct our commercial side is the part that needs most change and this is happening, but we need to gain income from all areas to make it work and seaosn tickets is one and hopefully the prices are not too high for the majority to afford. I really hope you aren't connected to the club (i'm convinced you are in some way given what you have said right at the start of this thread on this topic given its information that is very similar to what was spoke about for the first time at the ATT) because if they think putting season cards up to even £350 / £380 will increase enough to make us suddenly become more competitive at Championship level then you are deluded. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 21, 2024 12:51:11 GMT 1
You cant go by cheapest tickets as youre comparing a small amount of seats with the worst view in the ground at one club with ALL the seats, including the best ones at our club. It has to compare like for like seats..ie the price of a ticket in a side stand with a similar view. And ours are EASILY the cheapest at this level, by some way in almost all cases. Ours would be one of the cheapest in the 2 divisions below. Theres possible only Bradford who are cheaper in the EFL. We did this last year, you're guessing. You'll be right in some cases but unless you want to trawl through every clubs websites from last season and analyse who sold how many in what areas you can't say with any certainty what you've just said. It's also impossible anyway because most clubs (including us) often pull the pages down showing any initial early bird prices or sometimes even prices for previous seasons. Best way of comparing is to go through everyone's accounts or via Swiss ramble/price of football and compare match day revenue. If you do this you'll see we are fine and about where you'd expect us to be. Yeah we did this before the last time you tried to use that 'cheapest seat available method' to compare and I actually did look at a lot of clubs in this division and few below. No one really even compares to ours in a like for like basis and most were vastly more. QPR for example had a small number of tickets even cheaper than ours by a few quid,,presumably with a shit view behind a pillar or something..but that aside the bulk of their tickets were way more than we pay, like £200 more. If our match day revenue is 'about where you'd expect us to be' ( so about 16th in the championship going by gate figures ) whilst we are also selling admission so much cheaper than everyone else, then we must be selling a hell of a lot of pies, programmes , raffle tickets etc at each game to make up the difference ...or Swiss ramble ( who or whatever they are ) are getting their figures for match day revenue wrong. If you put a link up to where you saw this on Swiss ramble we can look at the clubs with similar or even less match day revenue, look at their gates compared to ours and see if their SC prices are still online somewhere ( they probably will be ). If it still seems plausible, I'll hold my hands up. |
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Post by 2ellandback on Mar 21, 2024 12:53:09 GMT 1
it is part of it though, I am am not saying we make the tickets over priced far from it jsut that they need to be more than they are now having them range between £300 - £380 depending on the seat would make us still one of the cheapest around and a fair price. Putting them up to £380 - £450 for example I think despite it still being bang average pricing for Championship / L1 tickets is too much, the £250.00 is just too low. You are correct our commercial side is the part that needs most change and this is happening, but we need to gain income from all areas to make it work and seaosn tickets is one and hopefully the prices are not too high for the majority to afford. I really hope you aren't connected to the club (i'm convinced you are in some way given what you have said right at the start of this thread on this topic given its information that is very similar to what was spoke about for the first time at the ATT) because if they think putting season cards up to even £350 / £380 will increase enough to make us suddenly become more competitive at Championship level then you are deluded. The minutes are all available online. No inside information, or indeed not an employee of the club. www.htsa-web.com/post/meeting-minutes-of-the-all-together-town-att-panel-16-10-2023 |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Mar 21, 2024 12:58:41 GMT 1
The club wouldn’t employ someone as thick as CHT. A club employee wouldn’t make up transfer rumours continuously and 99% of the time get them wrong.
The only reason he’s stopped posting that shite is that the admins finally had a word to get him to stop.
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Mar 21, 2024 13:01:10 GMT 1
Just to put some reality into this conversation about inflation and how the current pirates in 10 Downing Street are spinning it, my water bill arrived today with a whopping price rise of … 22 per cent. Virgin media has just come to with an increase of 8.8 per cent. The Council Tax bill is another rise of 4.99 per cent while our wonderful energy companies are charging me four times what it was a couple of years ago. Car tax has gone up by another 8 per cent and dental charges will increase again by 8.8 per cent in April.
Thank God Rishi has a plan. Where would we be without one?
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Post by Detective Boyle on Mar 21, 2024 13:04:13 GMT 1
Doesn’t matter as we’ll apparently be selling Rudoni for 15m+
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 21, 2024 13:07:40 GMT 1
But this is now and our current revenue puts us to mid to low league 1 level that is a fact, other clubs have overtaken us in terms of revenue some of this is down to low season ticket prices and just commercially not being as good as the other clubs something we are trying to change. so looking at this our average position in the table based on history and what level we played in would be somewhere around 17th in the Championship (possibly around where we will finish) yet we are knowhere near this in terms of revenue so back to my point with the current income levels we are massivly over achieving and mainly down to Dean and Kevin plowing money into the club something that is not sustainable. I'd argue that MOST of the reason our income being low is due to poor commercial performance, both historically and still now. As pointed out by Ben1987 earlier in the thread, in 2022 Bristol City and Towns matchday income was £5.2m, so actually the season card price makes no difference in that example, and Coventry and Blackburn actually had LOWER matchday income than Town, so again even though we are selling season cards lower than all 3 clubs mentioned we are actually making more money. Season card income for a club like Town isn't a big enough proportion of income to worry about. Adding an extra £50/£100 to the ticket price, but potentially losing a lot of sales wont make a big enough difference to make it worth while. We have to look at maximising income via other methods. To re-iterate again again, Bristol commercial income in 2022 was £15.8m, our was £4.1m. That's the reason why we are 'poor' in relation to our Championship rivals, not because we sell season cards at a reasonable price. Cant help but question these figures. Bristol city www.bcfc.co.uk/news/season-tickets-202324-faqs/Adults SCs range from £375 to £675 depending on the stand. pensioners range from £310 to £525 They have a similar amount of SC holders to us..less probably at 14000... meaning they have WAY MORE pay on the door fans..twice as many as us.. , Their average gate figure is over 3000 more than us at 22,500. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/attendancesyet our match day revenue is the same?? How the fuck is that possible then!! |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Mar 21, 2024 13:13:52 GMT 1
I really hope you aren't connected to the club (i'm convinced you are in some way given what you have said right at the start of this thread on this topic given its information that is very similar to what was spoke about for the first time at the ATT) because if they think putting season cards up to even £350 / £380 will increase enough to make us suddenly become more competitive at Championship level then you are deluded. The minutes are all available online. No inside information, or indeed not an employee of the club. www.htsa-web.com/post/meeting-minutes-of-the-all-together-town-att-panel-16-10-2023Nothing in those minutes gives you the amount of detail mentioned in CHT first post on this thread. I know what discussed the most recent ATT, and I can I see what CHT has posted. That's how I am drawing my conclusions of his involvement somewhere. Its either that, or someone very close to Nagle and Co is feeding him information early to try canvas opinion on things they are thinking about. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Mar 21, 2024 13:21:43 GMT 1
I'd argue that MOST of the reason our income being low is due to poor commercial performance, both historically and still now. As pointed out by Ben1987 earlier in the thread, in 2022 Bristol City and Towns matchday income was £5.2m, so actually the season card price makes no difference in that example, and Coventry and Blackburn actually had LOWER matchday income than Town, so again even though we are selling season cards lower than all 3 clubs mentioned we are actually making more money. Season card income for a club like Town isn't a big enough proportion of income to worry about. Adding an extra £50/£100 to the ticket price, but potentially losing a lot of sales wont make a big enough difference to make it worth while. We have to look at maximising income via other methods. To re-iterate again again, Bristol commercial income in 2022 was £15.8m, our was £4.1m. That's the reason why we are 'poor' in relation to our Championship rivals, not because we sell season cards at a reasonable price. Cant help but question these figures. Bristol city www.bcfc.co.uk/news/season-tickets-202324-faqs/Adults SCs range from £375 to £675 depending on the stand. pensioners range from £310 to £525 They have a similar amount of SC holders to us..less probably at 14000... meaning they have WAY MORE pay on the door fans..twice as many as us.. , Their average gate figure is over 3000 more than us at 22,500. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/attendancesyet our match day revenue is the same?? How the fuck is that possible then!! Information has been complied by SwissRamble who use the accounts submitted by the Club, Ben1987 linked them in his post, but they are below as you've obviously missed them: Bristol - swissramble.substack.com/p/bristol-city-finances-202223 (look at the 2022 column) Town - swissramble.substack.com/p/huddersfield-town-finances-202122 |
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Post by mosher on Mar 21, 2024 13:30:21 GMT 1
Wish I could have had a rummage Edit: my old man has still got his Beatles vinyls from when he was a kid/teen/20s. Along with Bolan, T-Rex, Quo and others I bet his collection is worth a mint. ? I feel for you and hope some better luck financially is around the corner for you, times are tough but there is at least some light at the end of tunnel with the latest inflation figures and the chance of interest rate cuts Q3 / Q4 2024, unfortunalty covid 19 will cost everyone in some way for many years to come the money spent needs to be recovered in some way. "my old man has still got his Beatles vinyls from when he was a kid/teen/20s. Along with Bolan, T-Rex, Quo and others I bet his collection is worth a mint." this is amazing collections like this are ace and something to be looked after the value will only increase as years go by. Yup and yup. Got my SC this year after a 2 year break when I was using my mate's dad's ST as he lives in America but still gets one. Any games he was here for I just bought a single ticket, I could always scrape up what I needed. Like I said in a previous post, I don't consider myself badly off, but (as pointed out on other threads) my idea of luxury items seems to be VERY different from modern society's. I still consider internet access, smartphones, 60" TV, TV subscriptions, etc as not necessary, but luxuries. FFS my stereo is well old (bought when Panasonic sponsored us), my last TV was 8 years old when it died, my DVD player 6 years old. I get laughed at because I don't get rid of something until it dies, I don't just buy new tech willy-nilly. Even clothes, my current trainers I bought when I started this job 18 months ago; most of my mates buy new trainers every 2-3 months. Why? Fiscal madness IMO. I'm REALLY not in poverty mate don't worry, it's just the modern definition is too lax IMO and people in Western Africa, Afghanistan and other places would be astounded at our society's definition of poverty. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 21, 2024 13:33:01 GMT 1
I'd argue that MOST of the reason our income being low is due to poor commercial performance, both historically and still now. As pointed out by Ben1987 earlier in the thread, in 2022 Bristol City and Towns matchday income was £5.2m, so actually the season card price makes no difference in that example, and Coventry and Blackburn actually had LOWER matchday income than Town, so again even though we are selling season cards lower than all 3 clubs mentioned we are actually making more money. Season card income for a club like Town isn't a big enough proportion of income to worry about. Adding an extra £50/£100 to the ticket price, but potentially losing a lot of sales wont make a big enough difference to make it worth while. We have to look at maximising income via other methods. To re-iterate again again, Bristol commercial income in 2022 was £15.8m, our was £4.1m. That's the reason why we are 'poor' in relation to our Championship rivals, not because we sell season cards at a reasonable price. Cant help but question these figures. Bristol city www.bcfc.co.uk/news/season-tickets-202324-faqs/Adults SCs range from £375 to £675 depending on the stand. pensioners range from £310 to £525 They have a similar amount of SC holders to us..less probably at 14000... meaning they have WAY MORE pay on the door fans..twice as many as us.. , Their average gate figure is over 3000 more than us at 22,500. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/attendancesyet our match day revenue is the same?? How the fuck is that possible then!! Fuck my life 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by mosher on Mar 21, 2024 13:33:31 GMT 1
is it though everyone moaning seems to expect the below. - Cheap season tickets (lower than everyone else consitantly for many years) - Huge investment in the squad - A Championship side who are at very least mid table every season. When in reality with our revenue and long term history we are - A mid table League 1 side who will have good and bad seasons - ticket prices to be towards the bottom end of L1 (still higher than now) The only current way to achieve the targets the the moaners want is to make the club more sustainable and this is what Kevin and his team are trying to do in all areas, either that or Kevin continues to fund the club with multi millions every year, I would much rather we have a plan to be sustainable with less backing from a wealthy owner this gives us the best chance of moving to a new level and staying there with or without our current custdodian Kevin Nagle. This is a project and with such a big project changes will happen some liked, some not liked some that we wont even notice for years it they way it has to be and for me 100% the correct approach. We will lose some fans, we will gain some new fans again as we acheive more success that is something that is very much known by all at the club, times are changing and people need to embrace it as I expect some good times around the corner for HTAFC again. The only important part right now is to play the best we can for the remaining 8 games and pick up enough points to stay in the Championship this is what should make everyone happy again and ready for a very different season and approach next year. Stop talking absolute shite. We've spent 22 seasons in 116 years in League One or the old money equivalent.Just shut up. Beat me to it mate, there's no way we're a league one side historically. Didn't the PL release something recently that showed we were 20th in success and our "rightful" place was the Prem. Personally I'd have us as midtable-to-top-6 of the championship as our place in the grand scheme of things. |
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