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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 12:16:13 GMT 1
If the club are employing jokers like this, there's no wonder it's going down the pan.
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Post by royrace on Mar 26, 2024 12:25:02 GMT 1
I think the price will be irrelevant if we're relegated, we'll lose many thousands. If we stay in the league I predict price tiers and an increase in line with inflation which is fair enough imo. People might not like tiered pricing but it makes perfect sense and allows people to set their own price to an extent whilst increasing revenue. If KN is prepared to splash the cash on players they could probably get away with an above inflation increase. Not in league one though. will be same pricing no matter what league we are in next season. They should have a plan for each scenario. I've had a season ticket for decades but probably won't bother if we're relegated, certainly won't if they're more expensive. Can't face league one again, especially as it will have been entirely self inflicted. I'd probably see how we do and maybe do pay on the day now and again if we're doing well. It's a big if though, some big clubs in that league, not easy to get out of. That's why January was so key, spend millions to significantly improve the squad and avoid relegation. They spent millions but don't seem to have done the latter. Strikers and creativity were key, seems we bought one who isn't good enough to start and another who is fragile and didn't exactly look like the answer in the brief time we saw him. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 26, 2024 12:26:53 GMT 1
No? Most of your posts are going on about the quality of the football more than anything. Am I wrong about the quality of football? You're exaggerating how poor it is a lot IMO. 2 seasons in the PL have changed what people expect from this club. But either way,, being a football fan and buying a season card doesnt come with any guarantees. It's sport..it can go well or it can go badly. Most people on here were predicting relegation , or at least a relegation scrap before 21/22 and we finished 3rd. End of the day, if being near the bottom of the 2nd tier makes you question your support of the club, then Huddersfield Town probably isnt the right club for you. |
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Post by royrace on Mar 26, 2024 12:29:34 GMT 1
So it's my fault that the team are, and have been, shite?  You're puddled. nope not your fault, the fault is a combination of many things. But the constant negative posts on here, on X (Twitter), listening to some comments in the ground, are not in anyway helping the 11 on the pitch. For the final 8 games we need the crowd / fans together and creating the best positive atmosphere in the grounds, this can really help the team and in our own small way we can all help the team maintain championship football. Mr Nagle has had so much abuse recently and honestly its out of order, he has like others made mistakes in hindsight, but he has also got a lot right and the intentions are there to get more right we should all back this now and try and support everyone to get the results required. We need to as fans create an atmosphere like some of those premier legue games on Friday give the team support, leave the negative vibes at home the players 100% feel the support. I haven't noted any negativity. People turn up to games desperate to win not expecting to lose. It will be the same on Friday. It's up to the team to perform, if they do they'll be backed to the hilt by the crowd as usual. 8 cup finals. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 26, 2024 12:31:16 GMT 1
Every football club will charge what they think their supporter base will pay. As I have said before Mr Nagle and team will have an amount they want to recover from ticket sales across the season, both season cards and walk ups.
The other truth is no football club can guarantee that they will deliver something that fans will perceive value for money. It is therefore true that there will be a "core" of fans who will support the team irrespective, relatively of cost, and success/enjoyment.
So it comes down to this: What do you need to see from the club to encourage you to invest in a season ticket for the forthcoming season? What do you value most? The day out of attending home games? Something enjoyable to watch? Success?
Everybody is different. Currently the performances on the pitch are not good. As a result any increase in entrance cost is seen as abhorrent to some. I can understand that point but I go back to my argument that no team can guarantee any level of success. That noted are people really saying that the overall running of the club is the key issue (that determines if you are prepared to pay for a ticket)?
The offer to loyal fans during the premier league was largely "funded" by the riches that opportunity presented. As such it is an outlier. So let me compare the last two years, from my perspective:
The play off season under Carlos, as unexpected as it was, grew into something that was really enjoyable (I would note I was far from convinced in the earlier part of that season and there were actually some games that were pretty woeful to watch e.g. PNE at home, when we won but didn't have a shot on target). The following season was utterly dreadful until NW came in and performed his miracle. In both cases there were times when the price I had paid seemed grossly too much but there were also times the experience was priceless (e.g. the win against Luton and staying up against the odds). During these two season does anyone think if we had paid x% more for our tickets that the decisions in recruitment, identity and delivery (on the pitch) would have been any better? I genuinely don't think there is a link between cash and competence. The frustration of last season and this would have just been as palpable had we paid £1 or £1000 (I am using an extreme analogy to make the point).
It really does come down to what you individually value. Personal circumstances are also different and that determines how that value feels.
In short I expect prices will increase, the pure impact of the economic environment has to have an impact. If I feel the club is giving me real hope we are going to move in the right direction then I will likely pay. However if I feel the direction of the club is unclear, or I am am unconvinced that will make me think twice. I say this as a long standing supporter.
The club cannot afford to take any of us for granted and needs to offer something we can all get behind. At the moment I feel the intention is sincere but I am not convinced we have all the ducks in a row. To use another cliche we cannot be expected to get behind the "jam tomorrow" narrative, especially if we find ourselves in League One. We need some confidence that the intentions are matched by tangible actions. As it stands I very much hope that will be the case but I cannot be 100% confident.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 26, 2024 12:36:33 GMT 1
'Puddled' is demanding to watch winning Championship football for the price of watching National League North football. It must be easy to get to over 42,000 posts when all you do is repeat yourself ALL the time. Entitled is your favourite word. Tedious is mine. Don't think many (if any) are demanding winning Championship football for cheap season tickets, they're merely pointing out that the club need to be very careful how they price them going forward after making the very naive decision to price them that way for years. I try not to use entitled anymore as I know that bit of self-awareness upsets people. I do feel like I repeat myself a lot though... but im a long way from the only one! I was replying to someone who wants to keep the cheap tickets and is constantly moaning about the lack of winning championship football... its been shite, etc I dont know whether naive is the right word for keeping prices so low for so long,, but Id agree its now a problem to wean fans off it when theyre so used to it. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 12:40:45 GMT 1
Am I wrong about the quality of football? You're exaggerating how poor it is a lot IMO. 2 seasons in the PL have changed what people expect from this club. But either way,, being a football fan and buying a season card doesnt come with any guarantees. It's sport..it can go well or it can go badly. Most people on here were predicting relegation , or at least a relegation scrap before 21/22 and we finished 3rd. End of the day, if being near the bottom of the 2nd tier makes you question your support of the club, then Huddersfield Town probably isnt the right club for you. I'm not questioning my support. I'm questioning shelling out a massive increase. Completely different, as well you know. I'll be a Town supporter until the day I die, but if the increase means that I can't afford, then I can't afford. It's simple. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 26, 2024 14:12:23 GMT 1
Please PM me the details I will be happy to buy this, by the way it would not be your ticket at that point..... I would be buying the ticket to reduce the nagativity in the ground by you not being there, however I dont think I will need to do this as its quite obvious you will not be looking to buy your ticket at the new pricing. No negativity from me, what I've been witnessing on the pitch takes care of that on its own. I've seen my team in 70-odd grounds, I've paid a lot more for season tickets in the past, probably will in the future too, but I don't take too kindly to people like you telling me how I should support my team. I don't think £350-£400 is reasonable for what we've been watching, and that's my opinion, which as far as I'm aware, I'm allowed to state. Thinking £350-£400 is expensive for what's on offer doesn't make me a negative fan. If you do work for the club, maybe you could introduce yourself at the Heritage Open Day on 30th April, where I'm giving up a day's work to come and help the club as they celebrate the 30th anniversary of leaving Leeds Road.No, no, no Lee that can't be true, the only contribution you make to this board and the club is negative shit. You just stand in the ground booing and glaring at the players, never encourage, never support, you're a canker on this site and the football ground   |
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Post by mosher on Mar 26, 2024 14:15:00 GMT 1
1. The fault lies with the club and the players. 2. The atmosphere reflects what the fans are watching on the pitch. 3. I haven't abused Nagle at all, and haven't seen much abuse towards him apart from a few knobheads on Twitter, in fact, compared to previous owners he's got off very lightly. Also, he hasn't "got a lot right" at all. 4. Again, the atmosphere reflects what the fans are watching on the pitch. 1. The fault lies with the club and the players. Yes over many many years, many reasons for it. 2. The atmosphere reflects what the fans are watching on the pitch. Yes but we need to tryt to change that for the last 8 games, so we have something better to watch fingers crossed next season. 3. I haven't abused Nagle at all, and haven't seen much abuse towards him apart from a few knobheads on Twitter, in fact, compared to previous owners he's got off very lightly. Also, h e hasn't "got a lot right" at all. You just have abused him here ! I dont think this is correct there is a lot that has happened that is right or at very least moving in the right direction. 4. Again, the atmosphere reflects what the fans are watching on the pitch. it doesnt need to though if you can be more positive If you consider that abuse you may need to take yourself off social media, you could be in for a shock |
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Post by mosher on Mar 26, 2024 14:18:57 GMT 1
Am I wrong about the quality of football? You're exaggerating how poor it is a lot IMO. 2 seasons in the PL have changed what people expect from this club. But either way,, being a football fan and buying a season card doesnt come with any guarantees. It's sport..it can go well or it can go badly. Most people on here were predicting relegation , or at least a relegation scrap before 21/22 and we finished 3rd. End of the day, if being near the bottom of the 2nd tier makes you question your support of the club, then Huddersfield Town probably isnt the right club for you. I don't think he's exaggerating the quality of football at all, particularly under Moore. In most of his assessments he's been in pretty much complete agreement with my views on the quality of football, particularly Carlos' final season here. It's been absolute shite for quite some time, pretty much since we dropped from the PL, exceptions being King Colin last season (minus one or two games) and Carlos' first half season before the injuries kicked in. |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Mar 26, 2024 14:48:22 GMT 1
Mars Bars used to be much bigger years ago! Now we pay more for a much smaller product..Just saying.  I believe the term for this is ‘Shrinkflation’. In the hope that either/or Smithers/Nagle read this, I’m going to repeat a couple of points I’ve made previously: Tiered pricing in a (relatively) modern stadium is bullshit. The days of paying a premium to sit down, as opposed to standing on an (often open) terrace are long gone. One of Hoyle’s better ideas was to recognise this and price attendance accordingly - all seats are effectively the same. The one caveat to this is the Shit Stand Lower at the North end, which is still temporary seating. This area could easily be used for pay on entry and/or any other special offers. Anyone buying a football club nowadays should be willing and able to fund it out of their own pocket. Clearly maximising revenue is more beneficial all round, but if your owner’s brassic, a la Potless, then it’ll all turn to shit pretty quickly. Clearly the owners at City, Newcastle, United, Chelsea etc haven’t bought in just to piss about at the bottom of the league, they’re there to win stuff and grow their ‘brand’. In Town’s case, Nagle will need to invest in an attempt to get into the Premier League (with commensurate cash windfall), then invest again to stay there, all whilst trying to increase revenue to help sustain the new status. Ultimately though, Nagle has to be prepared to fund his indulgence and an extra £500k on STs isn’t worth a fart in comparison. To me, Hoyle’s idea of realistic pricing to maximise sales makes more sense. As long as what’s going on on the field is entertaining the concessions etc revenues will take care of themselves. It’s up to Nagle now to appoint someone that can successfully sell Huddersfield Town as a brand in all the places that that it currently isn’t, in order to bring in the missing £millions. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 26, 2024 15:11:57 GMT 1
You're exaggerating how poor it is a lot IMO. 2 seasons in the PL have changed what people expect from this club. But either way,, being a football fan and buying a season card doesnt come with any guarantees. It's sport..it can go well or it can go badly. Most people on here were predicting relegation , or at least a relegation scrap before 21/22 and we finished 3rd. End of the day, if being near the bottom of the 2nd tier makes you question your support of the club, then Huddersfield Town probably isnt the right club for you. I'm not questioning my support. I'm questioning shelling out a massive increase. Completely different, as well you know. I'll be a Town supporter until the day I die, but if the increase means that I can't afford, then I can't afford. It's simple. If you cant afford more than what is a very cheap price then I sympathise greatly and it would be really sad for any fan to be priced out. Hopefully the club will provide an area like the North lower that can remain cheap so it doesnt happen. But similarly it would be crazy to base the whole pricing policy on what will be a very small amount of people being priced out. But I dont really get why so much of this discussion on price is drifting onto winning football or not and Town being a 2nd tier struggler a few times recently. Thats just the unknowns of sport and a realistic place for this club to be. Struggling in the 2nd tier isnt justification for charging half the going rate for the 2nd tier and roughly what a fan whos club play in National League North would pay for his season ticket. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 15:17:25 GMT 1
I'm not questioning my support. I'm questioning shelling out a massive increase. Completely different, as well you know. I'll be a Town supporter until the day I die, but if the increase means that I can't afford, then I can't afford. It's simple. If you cant afford more than what is a very cheap price then I sympathise greatly and it would be really sad for any fan to be priced out. Hopefully the club will provide an area like the North lower that can remain cheap so it doesnt happen. But similarly it would be crazy to base the whole pricing policy on what will be a very small amount of people being priced out.But I dont really get why so much of this discussion on price is drifting onto winning football or not and Town being a 2nd tier struggler a few times recently. Thats just the unknowns of sport and a realistic place for this club to be. Struggling in the 2nd tier isnt justification for charging half the going rate for the 2nd tier and roughly what a fan whos club play in National League North would pay for his season ticket. You'll be very surprised when less than 10,000 renew next season. If the talk of tickets rising to £350-£400 is true, the club will see the amount of renewals plummet. I don't think raising them to £300 if we stay up would be unreasonable at all, but to raise them in the event of relegation and to raise them more than that, they're absolutely off their heads. I'm a big music fan, and there's a few bands I like to go and watch. Say a ticket costs £50 for a gig, but then on the next tour that ticket goes up to £150, then I might still be a big fan of the band but I sure as hell ain't shelling out an extra 100 notes for it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 26, 2024 15:21:32 GMT 1
You're exaggerating how poor it is a lot IMO. 2 seasons in the PL have changed what people expect from this club. But either way,, being a football fan and buying a season card doesnt come with any guarantees. It's sport..it can go well or it can go badly. Most people on here were predicting relegation , or at least a relegation scrap before 21/22 and we finished 3rd. End of the day, if being near the bottom of the 2nd tier makes you question your support of the club, then Huddersfield Town probably isnt the right club for you. I don't think he's exaggerating the quality of football at all, particularly under Moore. In most of his assessments he's been in pretty much complete agreement with my views on the quality of football, particularly Carlos' final season here. It's been absolute shite for quite some time, pretty much since we dropped from the PL, exceptions being King Colin last season (minus one or two games) and Carlos' first half season before the injuries kicked in. That basically breaks down into winning = good, losing = shite. Well yeah, but think theres a bit more to it than that. Powell = boring a few years ago,, and after him Wagner = exciting. Powells team scored more goals and created then missed more chances..conceded more goals too of course, which is why is was losing football. Winning is whats exciting. If Moores team played the exact same way but took a chance or two instead of missing them and won, nobody would have been moaning it was shite football IMO. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 15:22:40 GMT 1
I don't think he's exaggerating the quality of football at all, particularly under Moore. In most of his assessments he's been in pretty much complete agreement with my views on the quality of football, particularly Carlos' final season here. It's been absolute shite for quite some time, pretty much since we dropped from the PL, exceptions being King Colin last season (minus one or two games) and Carlos' first half season before the injuries kicked in. That basically breaks down into winning = good, losing = shite. Well yeah, but think theres a bit more to it than that. Powell = boring a few years ago,, and after him Wagner = exciting. Powells team scored more goals and created then missed more chances..conceded more goals too of course, which is why is was losing football. Winning is whats exciting. If Moores team played the exact same way but took a chance or two instead of missing them and won, nobody would have been moaning it was shite football IMO. We were losing most weeks in the Premier League but the atmosphere was still amongst the best in the division. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 26, 2024 15:25:40 GMT 1
If you cant afford more than what is a very cheap price then I sympathise greatly and it would be really sad for any fan to be priced out. Hopefully the club will provide an area like the North lower that can remain cheap so it doesnt happen. But similarly it would be crazy to base the whole pricing policy on what will be a very small amount of people being priced out.But I dont really get why so much of this discussion on price is drifting onto winning football or not and Town being a 2nd tier struggler a few times recently. Thats just the unknowns of sport and a realistic place for this club to be. Struggling in the 2nd tier isnt justification for charging half the going rate for the 2nd tier and roughly what a fan whos club play in National League North would pay for his season ticket. You'll be very surprised when less than 10,000 renew next season. If the talk of tickets rising to £350-£400 is true, the club will see the amount of renewals plummet. I don't think raising them to £300 if we stay up would be unreasonable at all, but to raise them in the event of relegation and to raise them more than that, they're absolutely off their heads. I'm a big music fan, and there's a few bands I like to go and watch. Say a ticket costs £50 for a gig, but then on the next tour that ticket goes up to £150, then I might still be a big fan of the band but I sure as hell ain't shelling out an extra 100 notes for it. I certainly wouldn't raise them to £350-£400. Personally I think £300 - £350 depending on your seat is about right and fair for the first rise in many years..then possibly review it again a year down the line. If we go down then it's a huge problem to put prices up at all. If we didnt though we'd probably have the cheapest tickets in L1, with a huge drop in other income streams like TV and advertising. So that is a big problem too if we want to compete at the top end. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 15:30:43 GMT 1
You'll be very surprised when less than 10,000 renew next season. If the talk of tickets rising to £350-£400 is true, the club will see the amount of renewals plummet. I don't think raising them to £300 if we stay up would be unreasonable at all, but to raise them in the event of relegation and to raise them more than that, they're absolutely off their heads. I'm a big music fan, and there's a few bands I like to go and watch. Say a ticket costs £50 for a gig, but then on the next tour that ticket goes up to £150, then I might still be a big fan of the band but I sure as hell ain't shelling out an extra 100 notes for it. I certainly wouldn't raise them to £350-£400. Personally I think £300 - £350 depending on your seat is about right and fair for the first rise in many years..then possibly review it again a year down the line. If we go down then it's a huge problem to put prices up at all. If we didnt though we'd probably have the cheapest tickets in L1, with a huge drop in other income streams like TV and advertising. So that is a big problem too if we want to compete at the top end. First rise in three years. They were £249 in 2020-21 and went up to £299 in 2021-22. So please stop pretending that the prices have been the same for so many years. They haven't. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 26, 2024 15:30:54 GMT 1
I don't think he's exaggerating the quality of football at all, particularly under Moore. In most of his assessments he's been in pretty much complete agreement with my views on the quality of football, particularly Carlos' final season here. It's been absolute shite for quite some time, pretty much since we dropped from the PL, exceptions being King Colin last season (minus one or two games) and Carlos' first half season before the injuries kicked in. Well yeah, but think theres a bit more to it than that. Powell = boring a few years ago,, and after him Wagner = exciting. Powells team scored more goals and created then missed more chances..conceded more goals too of course, which is why is was losing football. Winning is whats exciting. If Moores team played the exact same way but took a chance or two instead of missing them and won, nobody would have been moaning it was shite football IMO. Not in the slightest if you read my (and htafcokay ) previous posts. Carlos' final season was winning football. We've both posted regularly that we thought that football was shite, so negates your first line straight away, and I've never even mentioned Powell. Moore's "football" was shite because it was avoid defeat at all costs football, not try and at least ATTEMPT to win. The amount of games where we set up to barely get out of our own half made me want to tear my eyeballs out. We'd have had to HAVE chances to take them. Which is why the past couple of games I've been disappointed with AB, because it looked like he'd been reading Moore's coaching manual. Although I'm perfectly willing to give AB more time. The first few games of Wagner's era we didn't win, but the football (you could see pretty much straight away even in defeat) was brilliant. The style of football under Wadsworth wasn't entirely shite, but the results were atrocious. Any more examples needed? |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 26, 2024 15:37:40 GMT 1
You're exaggerating how poor it is a lot IMO. 2 seasons in the PL have changed what people expect from this club. But either way,, being a football fan and buying a season card doesnt come with any guarantees. It's sport..it can go well or it can go badly. Most people on here were predicting relegation , or at least a relegation scrap before 21/22 and we finished 3rd. End of the day, if being near the bottom of the 2nd tier makes you question your support of the club, then Huddersfield Town probably isnt the right club for you. I don't think he's exaggerating the quality of football at all, particularly under Moore. In most of his assessments he's been in pretty much complete agreement with my views on the quality of football, particularly Carlos' final season here. It's been absolute shite for quite some time, pretty much since we dropped from the PL, exceptions being King Colin last season (minus one or two games) and Carlos' first half season before the injuries kicked in. no way has it been as poor as you make out for all this time, some bad games some good games, a bit of a longer period of more boring games under DM but he did have a crazy injury situation to deal with, we are really not that far off being a decent team with the correct coaching AB has the abilty to get it out of the players, he is currently really struggling to play how he wants due to fitness of the players (lack of a good pre season and many being injured not helping this) the first half against WBA was how AB would want the team to play but they dont have the fitness to do this for 90mins. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 15:39:06 GMT 1
I don't think he's exaggerating the quality of football at all, particularly under Moore. In most of his assessments he's been in pretty much complete agreement with my views on the quality of football, particularly Carlos' final season here. It's been absolute shite for quite some time, pretty much since we dropped from the PL, exceptions being King Colin last season (minus one or two games) and Carlos' first half season before the injuries kicked in. no way has it been as poor as you make out for all this time, some bad games some good games, a bit of a longer period of more boring games under DM but he did have a crazy injury situation to deal with, we are really not that far off being a decent team with the correct coaching AB has the abilty to get it out of the players, he is currently really struggling to play how he wants due to fitness of the players (lack of a good pre season and many being injured not helping this) the first half against WBA was how AB would want the team to play but they dont have the fitness to do this for 90mins. I agree. We just need 20 new players and we'll be alright. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 26, 2024 15:41:50 GMT 1
I certainly wouldn't raise them to £350-£400. Personally I think £300 - £350 depending on your seat is about right and fair for the first rise in many years..then possibly review it again a year down the line. If we go down then it's a huge problem to put prices up at all. If we didnt though we'd probably have the cheapest tickets in L1, with a huge drop in other income streams like TV and advertising. So that is a big problem too if we want to compete at the top end. First rise in three years. They were £249 in 2020-21 and went up to £299 in 2021-22. So please stop pretending that the prices have been the same for so many years. They haven't. I paid £249 for the past few seasons. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 15:43:25 GMT 1
First rise in three years. They were £249 in 2020-21 and went up to £299 in 2021-22. So please stop pretending that the prices have been the same for so many years. They haven't. I paid £249 for the past few seasons. You obviously benefitted from the Price Freeze. Not all of us did. In fact, I paid over 300 quid for my ticket last season as I didn't renew until late on. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 26, 2024 15:45:17 GMT 1
If you cant afford more than what is a very cheap price then I sympathise greatly and it would be really sad for any fan to be priced out. Hopefully the club will provide an area like the North lower that can remain cheap so it doesnt happen. But similarly it would be crazy to base the whole pricing policy on what will be a very small amount of people being priced out.But I dont really get why so much of this discussion on price is drifting onto winning football or not and Town being a 2nd tier struggler a few times recently. Thats just the unknowns of sport and a realistic place for this club to be. Struggling in the 2nd tier isnt justification for charging half the going rate for the 2nd tier and roughly what a fan whos club play in National League North would pay for his season ticket. You'll be very surprised when less than 10,000 renew next season. If the talk of tickets rising to £350-£400 is true, the club will see the amount of renewals plummet. I don't think raising them to £300 if we stay up would be unreasonable at all, but to raise them in the event of relegation and to raise them more than that, they're absolutely off their heads. I'm a big music fan, and there's a few bands I like to go and watch. Say a ticket costs £50 for a gig, but then on the next tour that ticket goes up to £150, then I might still be a big fan of the band but I sure as hell ain't shelling out an extra 100 notes for it. at £400 then maybe 10,000 but I don't think they will be £400 I am expecting £300 - £370 depending on your seat, and I think we will get numbers a little down on this season not really down to the price point more down to the entertainment we had this season, however stay up, and a few interesting signings in the summer I can see the number sold being up there with this season despite an increase in pricing. I know a lot that currently dont have a season ticket and if we showed some intent in the summer market and added something to the matchday experience many of these would look to return, pricing was not a reason for them to not renew this season. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 26, 2024 15:46:08 GMT 1
That basically breaks down into winning = good, losing = shite. Well yeah, but think theres a bit more to it than that. Powell = boring a few years ago,, and after him Wagner = exciting. Powells team scored more goals and created then missed more chances..conceded more goals too of course, which is why is was losing football. Winning is whats exciting. If Moores team played the exact same way but took a chance or two instead of missing them and won, nobody would have been moaning it was shite football IMO. We were losing most weeks in the Premier League but the atmosphere was still amongst the best in the division. because we expected to lose, and everyone was enjoying the ride. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 15:46:44 GMT 1
We were losing most weeks in the Premier League but the atmosphere was still amongst the best in the division. because we expected to lose, and everyone was enjoying the ride. Not everyone. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 15:47:43 GMT 1
You'll be very surprised when less than 10,000 renew next season. If the talk of tickets rising to £350-£400 is true, the club will see the amount of renewals plummet. I don't think raising them to £300 if we stay up would be unreasonable at all, but to raise them in the event of relegation and to raise them more than that, they're absolutely off their heads. I'm a big music fan, and there's a few bands I like to go and watch. Say a ticket costs £50 for a gig, but then on the next tour that ticket goes up to £150, then I might still be a big fan of the band but I sure as hell ain't shelling out an extra 100 notes for it. at £400 then maybe 10,000 but I don't think they will be £400 I am expecting £300 - £370 depending on your seat, and I think we will get numbers a little down on this season not really down to the price point more down to the entertainment we had this season, however stay up, and a few interesting signings in the summer I can see the number sold being up there with this season despite an increase in pricing. I know a lot that currently dont have a season ticket and if we showed some intent in the summer market and added something to the matchday experience many of these would look to return, pricing was not a reason for them to not renew this season. What about the 1000s of current season ticket holders that have stopped attending? You need to do something to get them to start coming back first. And this "matchday experience" is a load of bollocks. It's never mentioned when we're winning games. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 26, 2024 15:59:11 GMT 1
Mars Bars used to be much bigger years ago! Now we pay more for a much smaller product..Just saying. I believe the term for this is ‘Shrinkflation’. In the hope that either/or Smithers/Nagle read this, I’m going to repeat a couple of points I’ve made previously: Tiered pricing in a (relatively) modern stadium is bullshit. The days of paying a premium to sit down, as opposed to standing on an (often open) terrace are long gone. One of Hoyle’s better ideas was to recognise this and price attendance accordingly - all seats are effectively the same. The one caveat to this is the Shit Stand Lower at the North end, which is still temporary seating. This area could easily be used for pay on entry and/or any other special offers. Anyone buying a football club nowadays should be willing and able to fund it out of their own pocket. Clearly maximising revenue is more beneficial all round, but if your owner’s brassic, a la Potless, then it’ll all turn to shit pretty quickly. Clearly the owners at City, Newcastle, United, Chelsea etc haven’t bought in just to piss about at the bottom of the league, they’re there to win stuff and grow their ‘brand’. In Town’s case, Nagle will need to invest in an attempt to get into the Premier League (with commensurate cash windfall), then invest again to stay there, all whilst trying to increase revenue to help sustain the new status. Ultimately though, Nagle has to be prepared to fund his indulgence and an extra £500k on STs isn’t worth a fart in comparison. To me, Hoyle’s idea of realistic pricing to maximise sales makes more sense. As long as what’s going on on the field is entertaining the concessions etc revenues will take care of themselves. It’s up to Nagle now to appoint someone that can successfully sell Huddersfield Town as a brand in all the places that that it currently isn’t, in order to bring in the missing £millions. In the hope that either/or Smithers/Nagle read this, I’m going to repeat a couple of points I’ve made previously: Anything of interest will be seen / shown to Mr Nagle Tiered pricing in a (relatively) modern stadium is bullshit. The days of paying a premium to sit down, as opposed to standing on an (often open) terrace are long gone. One of Hoyle’s better ideas was to recognise this and price attendance accordingly - all seats are effectively the same.
Good idea at the time to make it simple, its however not correct that someone sitting at the end of a stnad with a poor view pays the same as someone with a premium view in the middle of a stand, a simple tiered system is fine as long as the pricing structure is not too different. Upper tier was more for a long time and the people sitting in there liked the fact they paid more as it was not many families and more relaxed for the older end. The one caveat to this is the Shit Stand Lower at the North end, which is still temporary seating. This area could easily be used for pay on entry and/or any other special offers. This is how it is used now Anyone buying a football club nowadays should be willing and able to fund it out of their own pocket. Clearly maximising revenue is more beneficial all round, but if your owner’s brassic, a la Potless, then it’ll all turn to shit pretty quickly. Clearly the owners at City, Newcastle, United, Chelsea etc haven’t bought in just to piss about at the bottom of the league, they’re there to win stuff and grow their ‘brand’. In Town’s case, Nagle will need to invest in an attempt to get into the Premier League (with commensurate cash windfall), then invest again to stay there, all whilst trying to increase revenue to help sustain the new status. Ultimately though, Nagle has to be prepared to fund his indulgence and an extra £500k on STs isn’t worth a fart in comparison.
It is important though to get the pricing fair and increase the income, if you said this about every area of income then it would not increase we need to increase income in all areas this makes the club more sustainable, Kevin may still put the same money in with the extra income it just means extra money can be put into the playing staff and it massivly helps with FFP rules. To me, Hoyle’s idea of realistic pricing to maximise sales makes more sense. As long as what’s going on on the field is entertaining the concessions etc revenues will take care of themselves. It’s up to Nagle now to appoint someone that can successfully sell Huddersfield Town as a brand in all the places that that it currently isn’t, in order to bring in the missing £millions. Dean did it for a good reason and it worked at the time, now the thinking is different we want more people to come to the ground and maximise sales but we also expect them to pay a little more, because the full match day experience will be improved at least that is the plan, a lot of this is related to stadium ownership and I am told one of the reasons for the delay of pricing is we are trying to get something fully agreed with the stadium, at this point we can annouce the season ticket deal along with improvments that the club are looking to do to the full match day experience, some of the ideas I have heard and possible investment and I am pretty sure nobody would complain about £50 - £100 extra for a season ticket, especially if on the pitch performances improve also. At the time of full ownership and control then all the matchday takings / profit would go directly to the club. little ideas I heard like discounts in all club bars for season ticket holders, club shop discounts for season ticket holders, and many other interesting ideas to give back to season ticket holders and at the same time try to increase revenue for the club. |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 26, 2024 15:59:25 GMT 1
nope not your fault, the fault is a combination of many things. But the constant negative posts on here, on X (Twitter), listening to some comments in the ground, are not in anyway helping the 11 on the pitch. For the final 8 games we need the crowd / fans together and creating the best positive atmosphere in the grounds, this can really help the team and in our own small way we can all help the team maintain championship football. Mr Nagle has had so much abuse recently and honestly its out of order, he has like others made mistakes in hindsight, but he has also got a lot right and the intentions are there to get more right we should all back this now and try and support everyone to get the results required. We need to as fans create an atmosphere like some of those premier legue games on Friday give the team support, leave the negative vibes at home the players 100% feel the support. 1. The fault lies with the club and the players. 2. The atmosphere reflects what the fans are watching on the pitch. 3. I haven't abused Nagle at all, and haven't seen much abuse towards him apart from a few knobheads on Twitter, in fact, compared to previous owners he's got off very lightly. Also, he hasn't "got a lot right" at all. 4. Again, the atmosphere reflects what the fans are watching on the pitch. Very true HTFCOKAY, the atmosphere will reflect on what is being served up for entertainment, if it's dross then atmos will be dross!!. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 26, 2024 16:00:51 GMT 1
I paid £249 for the past few seasons. You obviously benefitted from the Price Freeze. Not all of us did. In fact, I paid over 300 quid for my ticket last season as I didn't renew until late on. so if you paid £300 why are you arguing about prices from £300 - £370 unless you are in the upper tier and dont want to pay £370 ? with this range you could pay the same next year as you did this year with I am convinced a much better experience on and off the pitch. yes I had price freeze. |
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Post by royrace on Mar 26, 2024 16:03:13 GMT 1
There do seem to be a lot of people who buy a season card but don't attend many games. I think that's due to them being cheap and on sky, red button etc. You'll either lose them by raising prices or they'll probably attend more games. Depends on the entertainment I suppose. Under Moore it had become a huge chore and it's easy to get out of the habit of attending, especially when it's on the telly.
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