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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Mar 30, 2024 10:27:36 GMT 1
£299. £250 if league one.
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 30, 2024 10:42:09 GMT 1
Why would you buy a sports team in another country in a sport you know nothing about where the whole success or failure of the project you then have to put entirely in the hands of someone else- a football operations director? It makes no sense. The future of the club is in the hands of Cartright who has no responsbility whatsoever.
Why own a business you know nothing about?
The clubs future is at risk now. Todays young football fans have very little interest in anything below the prem. Below the championship? Forget it. It doesn’t exist… the days of youngsters supporting the lower league clubs their parents support are gone. No one wants to watch very average very overpaid league one footballers play hoofball in small dilapidated grounds.
Nagel hasn’t understood enough about English football. Championship is everything yet we had probably the 3rd worst manager we’ve ever had for 3/4 of the season.
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Post by Sio on Mar 30, 2024 10:46:43 GMT 1
Why would you buy a sports team in another country in a sport you know nothing about where the whole success or failure of the project you then have to put entirely in the hands of someone else- a football operations director? It makes no sense. The future of the club is in the hands of Cartright who has no responsbility whatsoever. Why own a business you know nothing about? Fun, ego, investment, something to do. Plenty of reasons. But yes, they've misjudged it massively and it's going to cost Kevin a lot more than I imagine he expected. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 30, 2024 10:50:13 GMT 1
Why would you buy a sports team in another country in a sport you know nothing about where the whole success or failure of the project you then have to put entirely in the hands of someone else- a football operations director? It makes no sense. The future of the club is in the hands of Cartright who has no responsbility whatsoever. Why own a business you know nothing about? Fun, ego, investment, something to do. Plenty of reasons. But yes, they've misjudged it massively and it's going to cost Kevin a lot more than I imagine he expected. They’re not good reasons though. The club represents a huge part of the community not a poker tournament for millionaires. If you lose your chips you get up and leave the table and whilst the club could end up folding altogether in the following seasons. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 30, 2024 10:54:38 GMT 1
Fun, ego, investment, something to do. Plenty of reasons. But yes, they've misjudged it massively and it's going to cost Kevin a lot more than I imagine he expected. They’re not good reasons though. The club represents a huge part of the community not a poker tournament for millionaires. If you lose your chips you get up and leave the table and whilst the club could end up folding altogether in the following seasons. Welcome to modern football. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 30, 2024 10:56:19 GMT 1
Fun, ego, investment, something to do. Plenty of reasons. But yes, they've misjudged it massively and it's going to cost Kevin a lot more than I imagine he expected. They’re not good reasons though. The club represents a huge part of the community not a poker tournament for millionaires. If you lose your chips you get up and leave the table and whilst the club could end up folding altogether in the following seasons. Personally I don't think Kevin's finances or committment are in need of inquisition at this stage - he seems a genuine chap with the right intentions, just with a seriously naive idea of how it all works. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 30, 2024 10:59:22 GMT 1
They’re not good reasons though. The club represents a huge part of the community not a poker tournament for millionaires. If you lose your chips you get up and leave the table and whilst the club could end up folding altogether in the following seasons. Personally I don't think Kevin's finances or committment are in need of inquisition at this stage - he seems a genuine chap with the right intentions, just with a seriously naive idea of how it all works. I agree with you. I don’t doubt his positive intentions but if you don’t know the business then you’re totally reliant on your director of football appointment and if you get that wrong your investment is f*cked.. But how can you pick an expert if you don’t know the sport/business? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 30, 2024 11:07:48 GMT 1
It's never been essential has it? ..it's a hobby... an interest. If anyone cant stomach paying a small increase for the first time in 8 years to do their hobby then I guess its just not something theyre that bothered about anyway. Begs the question why theyre even on this board if their hobby means so little to them that they'd rather jack it in than face the trauma of paying a couple of quid more to do it. Reading this thread you really dont do HTFC any good with the way you promote price increases , most will pay more to go watch town but if any fans have any doubts your posts will do nothing but convince folk to stop going. Give the club a break and let the club promote the ST s because your speil definitely isn’t a great help. ?? I dont do the club any good , and am not giving them a break, by trying to get over how IMO what they ( probably ) intend on doing is reasonable and fair? |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 30, 2024 11:11:02 GMT 1
They’re not good reasons though. The club represents a huge part of the community not a poker tournament for millionaires. If you lose your chips you get up and leave the table and whilst the club could end up folding altogether in the following seasons. Welcome to modern football. Which in 10 years might only have 40 professional teams in it: premier league and a training/feeder league. Football is a business now and only the biggest firms survive.. that’s capitalism.. I firmly believe teams that fall out of the championship now won’t be here in the 20 years. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 30, 2024 11:39:26 GMT 1
Welcome to modern football. Which in 10 years might only have 40 professional teams in it: premier league and a training/feeder league. Football is a business now and only the biggest firms survive.. that’s capitalism.. I firmly believe teams that fall out of the championship now won’t be here in the 20 years. Tbh the whole thing can die for me. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 30, 2024 11:53:16 GMT 1
Welcome to modern football. Which in 10 years might only have 40 professional teams in it: premier league and a training/feeder league. Football is a business now and only the biggest firms survive.. that’s capitalism.. I firmly believe teams that fall out of the championship now won’t be here in the 20 years. People have been saying smaller clubs would all fold for about 40 years. before the premier division days I remember the padlocks been put on the gates at clubs like Middlesbrough and hull..Burnley were going to go..loads of clubs were teetering on the edge of oblivion.. Most were clubs in decrepit grounds getting crowds of 3 or 4000 They all survived and look them now.. Most clubs sell more tickets now than they have in almost all their history and most play in new stadiums and have training facilities that are on a different planet to what they once had. Think theres a problem with competitiveness between the very rich and everyone else. Not sure what can be done about that. But at the same time theres currently Luton, Bournemouth and Brentford in the top flight...3 clubs who traditionally most think of as 3rd tier clubs. So if you get enough right, clubs can still get to the top end. Leicester even showed its still even possible to win it if all the stars align. |
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 30, 2024 11:54:42 GMT 1
Which in 10 years might only have 40 professional teams in it: premier league and a training/feeder league. Football is a business now and only the biggest firms survive.. that’s capitalism.. I firmly believe teams that fall out of the championship now won’t be here in the 20 years. People have been saying smaller clubs would all fold for about 40 years. before the premier division days I remember the padlocks been put on the gates at clubs like Middlesbrough and hull..Burnley were going to go..loads of clubs were teetering on the edge of oblivion.. Most were clubs in decrepit grounds getting crowds of 3 or 4000 They all survived and look them now.. Most clubs sell more tickets now than they have in almost all their history and most play in new stadiums and have training facilities that are on a different planet to what they once had. Think theres a problem with competitiveness between the very rich and everyone else. Not sure what can be done about that. But at the same time theres currently Luton, Bournemouth and Brentford in the top flight...3 clubs who traditionally most think of as 3rd tier clubs. So if you get enough right, clubs can still get to the top end. Leicester even showed its still even possible to win it if all the stars align. … and if you cheat FFP! 😉 |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Mar 30, 2024 12:14:14 GMT 1
I was one of them lol. I think it is way easier to sort yourself out in league one than the championship though. Rotherham will likely be top 6 in league one next year and we know how shite they are. I just don't think it's as easy as people think. Especially if we keep these serial losers.Bigger clubs have gone down and struggled to get back up. Took us 11 years last time, I don't fancy that again. This is a real problem for me, the club have been so used to scrapping for survival, the mindset is we've done really well to hang on. Individually, I quite like a lot of the players we have but, IMO, whether we stay up or go down, we need a total reset & the vast majority need to go, even though most of their quality levels seem to be best suited to high end Division 3. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 30, 2024 12:27:11 GMT 1
Reading this thread you really dont do HTFC any good with the way you promote price increases , most will pay more to go watch town but if any fans have any doubts your posts will do nothing but convince folk to stop going. Give the club a break and let the club promote the ST s because your speil definitely isn’t a great help. ?? I dont do the club any good , and am not giving them a break, by trying to get over how IMO what they ( probably ) intend on doing is reasonable and fair? No your going far 2 over the top and that’s coming from someone who IS willing to pay more |
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Post by Moooooy on Mar 30, 2024 13:05:01 GMT 1
I was one of them lol. I think it is way easier to sort yourself out in league one than the championship though. Rotherham will likely be top 6 in league one next year and we know how shite they are. I just don't think it's as easy as people think. Especially if we keep these serial losers. Bigger clubs have gone down and struggled to get back up. Took us 11 years last time, I don't fancy that again. I wouldn’t be confident that we’d finish in the top 6 in League One next year. Relegation would be a disaster. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 30, 2024 13:14:54 GMT 1
I just don't think it's as easy as people think. Especially if we keep these serial losers. Bigger clubs have gone down and struggled to get back up. Took us 11 years last time, I don't fancy that again. I wouldn’t be confident that we’d finish in the top 6 in League One next year. Relegation would be a disaster. Not with this team. Maybe a season of mediocrity in League One would make people finally realise that this team is shite. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 30, 2024 13:43:48 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be confident that we’d finish in the top 6 in League One next year. Relegation would be a disaster. Not with this team. Maybe a season of mediocrity in League One would make people finally realise that this team is shite. Most know already , the few stragglers blaming the managers will soon come round. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 30, 2024 14:44:46 GMT 1
Not with this team. Maybe a season of mediocrity in League One would make people finally realise that this team is shite. Most know already , the few stragglers blaming the managers will soon come round. Do they? I keep reading that this bunch of players are better than this and that they're competitive. They really aren't. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 30, 2024 16:01:12 GMT 1
?? I dont do the club any good , and am not giving them a break, by trying to get over how IMO what they ( probably ) intend on doing is reasonable and fair? No your going far 2 over the top and that’s coming from someone who IS willing to pay more I dont think I am really. Im only saying a moderate rise is fair enough as the club weans fans off these cheap prices over the next few years and that the club cant viably set its prices around a tiny proportion who say they cant afford any rise at all. Just think people have to be realistic about it. Whats OTT about that? |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 30, 2024 17:41:01 GMT 1
£70 I paid today to take my kids to that. I know it’s what I’d pay anywhere else as well but value for money / good entertainment it definitely is not. Football is an expensive day out now as a one off event, i just hope that Town don't out price the families with this new alleged price structure, I was lucky to take my kids in the cheap era since the centenary season, there were always cheap family options, we did 5 seasons in the FML then moved to the upper, the daughters lost interest unfortunately and the lad plays Rugby league now on a Saturday, I think they should turn the FML into a cheap stand for famalies and distribute the remainder of tickets to the schools that are in the breakfast club like they used to do. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Mar 30, 2024 17:42:30 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be confident that we’d finish in the top 6 in League One next year. Relegation would be a disaster. Not with this team. Maybe a season of mediocrity in League One would make people finally realise that this team is shite. Might finally convince Nagle |
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Post by Maynardblue on Mar 30, 2024 18:27:29 GMT 1
I just don't think it's as easy as people think. Especially if we keep these serial losers. Bigger clubs have gone down and struggled to get back up. Took us 11 years last time, I don't fancy that again. Jesus I'll be nearly 50 if it takes us 11 year to get out of there again 😂 The wage cap in League one will make it extremely difficult to get promoted within a season or 2. Especially if Cartwright is still there, he's done a pretty shit job without a wage cap. The salary caps for league one and two were withdrawn. But I agree, large budget is no guarantee of success - a complete overhaul would be needed |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 30, 2024 20:19:50 GMT 1
No your going far 2 over the top and that’s coming from someone who IS willing to pay more I dont think I am really. Im only saying a moderate rise is fair enough as the club weans fans off these cheap prices over the next few years and that the club cant viably set its prices around a tiny proportion who say they cant afford any rise at all. Just think people have to be realistic about it. Whats OTT about that? We will have to beg to differ , I feel it’s not the point but how you’ve pushed the point. A bit like when advisors tell their political leaders to rein it in and the time is now best to say no more. Personally feel like you’ve pushed the point to where folk start fighting against the point because of the person they’re fighting against rather than the issue. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 30, 2024 20:23:13 GMT 1
Most know already , the few stragglers blaming the managers will soon come round. Do they? I keep reading that this bunch of players are better than this and that they're competitive. They really aren't. Maybe you’re right, fool them. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 30, 2024 21:16:47 GMT 1
Which in 10 years might only have 40 professional teams in it: premier league and a training/feeder league. Football is a business now and only the biggest firms survive.. that’s capitalism.. I firmly believe teams that fall out of the championship now won’t be here in the 20 years. People have been saying smaller clubs would all fold for about 40 years. before the premier division days I remember the padlocks been put on the gates at clubs like Middlesbrough and hull..Burnley were going to go..loads of clubs were teetering on the edge of oblivion.. Most were clubs in decrepit grounds getting crowds of 3 or 4000 They all survived and look them now.. Most clubs sell more tickets now than they have in almost all their history and most play in new stadiums and have training facilities that are on a different planet to what they once had. Think theres a problem with competitiveness between the very rich and everyone else. Not sure what can be done about that. But at the same time theres currently Luton, Bournemouth and Brentford in the top flight...3 clubs who traditionally most think of as 3rd tier clubs. So if you get enough right, clubs can still get to the top end. Leicester even showed its still even possible to win it if all the stars align. You make a good argument and you may be right about the next 40 years.. I admit I don’t know enough about lower league attendances over the last 10 years but my guess is they’re declining and I think kids have other interests than lower league football, I may be wrong. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 30, 2024 22:04:06 GMT 1
People have been saying smaller clubs would all fold for about 40 years. before the premier division days I remember the padlocks been put on the gates at clubs like Middlesbrough and hull..Burnley were going to go..loads of clubs were teetering on the edge of oblivion.. Most were clubs in decrepit grounds getting crowds of 3 or 4000 They all survived and look them now.. Most clubs sell more tickets now than they have in almost all their history and most play in new stadiums and have training facilities that are on a different planet to what they once had. Think theres a problem with competitiveness between the very rich and everyone else. Not sure what can be done about that. But at the same time theres currently Luton, Bournemouth and Brentford in the top flight...3 clubs who traditionally most think of as 3rd tier clubs. So if you get enough right, clubs can still get to the top end. Leicester even showed its still even possible to win it if all the stars align. You make a good argument and you may be right about the next 40 years.. I admit I don’t know enough about lower league attendances over the last 10 years but my guess is they’re declining and I think kids have other interests than lower league football, I may be wrong. I would suggest you're probably wrong, if you looked it up, I'm willing to bet attendances, across all divisions, even non league are at the highest they've ever been since the all time low recorded in the 1984/85 season. Edit: a quick search of Google provides this article efl.com/news/2023/june/highest-league-attendances-for-70-years-as-nearly-22-million-attend-efl-competitions/ |
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Post by Sparrow on Mar 30, 2024 23:14:26 GMT 1
Kids / young uns, will still go next season if we’re in League one. I asked my 14 year old the other day if he and his mates would still go if we get relegated. Without hesitation he said he would and he recons all his mates would as well.
It’s some of us middle age lot that might stop going. 10 out of 12 years of relentless relegation battles, lack of goals, shit football and so on. With everything getting more and more expensive - 7 bills going up for pretty much everyone from next week - and an increase in season tickets, people might start thinking that £350 or whatever would be better used elsewhere.
There might end up being a few parents that buy a season ticket(s) for there kids to go with mates. But chose not to buy for themselves
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Post by andyboothscat on Mar 31, 2024 8:59:00 GMT 1
Presuming league one season ticket will be £300 next season then you can actually get one for £115 by backing us to get relegated at a generous 13/8!
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Mar 31, 2024 9:18:23 GMT 1
Kids / young uns, will still go next season if we’re in League one. I asked my 14 year old the other day if he and his mates would still go if we get relegated. Without hesitation he said he would and he recons all his mates would as well. It’s some of us middle age lot that might stop going. 10 out of 12 years of relentless relegation battles, lack of goals, shit football and so on. With everything getting more and more expensive - 7 bills going up for pretty much everyone from next week - and an increase in season tickets, people might start thinking that £350 or whatever would be better used elsewhere. There might end up being a few parents that buy a season ticket(s) for there kids to go with mates. But chose not to buy for themselves Young kids can't go if their parents don't. I get that it will still remain a social for those kids that can go on their own though. I coach u9s and modern kids are all about the star players and the top clubs. Half of them don't really watch football so it really important that lower league clubs get the young fans on board early. My lad was a mascot earlier this season and the club were brilliant. They do so much away from the pitch for young fans but ultimately if the team don't win much and I think more importantly, if the team are boring to watch then they aren't going to remain interested. |
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Post by Sparrow on Mar 31, 2024 12:18:16 GMT 1
Kids / young uns, will still go next season if we’re in League one. I asked my 14 year old the other day if he and his mates would still go if we get relegated. Without hesitation he said he would and he recons all his mates would as well. It’s some of us middle age lot that might stop going. 10 out of 12 years of relentless relegation battles, lack of goals, shit football and so on. With everything getting more and more expensive - 7 bills going up for pretty much everyone from next week - and an increase in season tickets, people might start thinking that £350 or whatever would be better used elsewhere. There might end up being a few parents that buy a season ticket(s) for there kids to go with mates. But chose not to buy for themselves Young kids can't go if their parents don't. I get that it will still remain a social for those kids that can go on their own though. I coach u9s and modern kids are all about the star players and the top clubs. Half of them don't really watch football so it really important that lower league clubs get the young fans on board early. My lad was a mascot earlier this season and the club were brilliant. They do so much away from the pitch for young fans but ultimately if the team don't win much and I think more importantly, if the team are boring to watch then they aren't going to remain interested. Yeah I get what you mean with kids around that age group. I was more meaning the ones that can go on their own. Good luck with the junior coaching, it’s bloody hard work….so much better being a parent just watching |
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