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Post by utttrooper on Feb 25, 2024 12:00:07 GMT 1
Of course pundits support teams, everyone knows which teams Lineker, Shearer, Wright, Neville, Carragher etc support and they're pundits not political broadcasters why do they have to be completely impartial? If anything it's less fake. Neville is as critical of Manchester United as anyone. I would say that maybe it's the setting they're in that can make them seem boring. Lineker, Shearer and Richards have a podcast where Lineker and Shearer show far more personality and the same with Neville, Carragher, Keane and Wright, the first 3 in particular are very different on those than in a studio, Keane is just very dry which comes across very different when doing his punditry. Don't really mind any of these in particular, Micah Richards (also does have knowledge of the game just comes off in a way that he doesn't) clearly just loves life , have absolutely no issue with that good on him the world would be a better place with more people like that. Others like Murphy, Jenas, Keown, Dixon could tell me the most insightful thing I've ever heard (they won't) and I'd miss it because I'd be staring in to space till they'd stopped talking. Quite like Danny Murphy especially on talk sport he knows the game and says it as it is mostly, think neville, Keane are decent and I like jobi mcanuff who does most EFL games. Jobi Mcaniff is excellent imo |
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Post by trotsky on Feb 25, 2024 12:23:15 GMT 1
Called us Middlesbrough I think Sunderland.
Wright/Lineker - one of them called is Sunderland and the other, Middlesborough. Think Wright was Sunderland but wouldn't swear to it.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 25, 2024 12:25:31 GMT 1
Wright/Lineker - one of them called is Sunderland and the other, Middlesborough. Think Wright was Sunderland but wouldn't swear to it.
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Post by Bubbles on Feb 25, 2024 12:25:51 GMT 1
Quite like Danny Murphy especially on talk sport he knows the game and says it as it is mostly, think neville, Keane are decent and I like jobi mcanuff who does most EFL games. Jobi Mcaniff is excellent imo Jobi McAnuff is indeed excellent in my opinion. Speaks well and clearly does his homework. Compare and contrast with Clinton Morrison. Worlds apart. And don’t get me started on Paul Merson. Can’t pronounce any foreign player’s names and doesn’t think he needs to. And actually said yesterday about Man.United, “They ain’t getting in the top four,why they even tryin’, they ain’t gonna win the Champions league so what’s the point tryin’?” So they should be glad they lost to Fulham then? I shall reach for the mute button in future… |
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Post by trotsky on Feb 25, 2024 12:33:34 GMT 1
Wright/Lineker - one of them called is Sunderland and the other, Middlesborough. Think Wright was Sunderland but wouldn't swear to it.
The commentators also kept referring to us as Hull City throughout the game.
Ha - don't remember that bit. I'd probably muted them!
I was surprised that Lineker got the name wrong as he'd recently visited our training ground. I remember him being amazed at the level of access that the public had and were able to mix with the players. Twas a big shame when we stopped doing that.
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 25, 2024 12:43:42 GMT 1
Jobi Mcaniff is excellent imo Jobi McAnuff is indeed excellent in my opinion. Speaks well and clearly does his homework. Compare and contrast with Clinton Morrison. Worlds apart. And don’t get me started on Paul Merson. Can’t pronounce any foreign player’s names and doesn’t think he needs to. And actually said yesterday about Man.United, “They ain’t getting in the top four,why they even tryin’, they ain’t gonna win the Champions league so what’s the point tryin’?” So they should be glad they lost to Fulham then? I shall reach for the mute button in future… The only good thing he's ever said is that him at 53 could do a better job than most of the ManUre players |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 25, 2024 12:47:35 GMT 1
Also, after November in the second season we absolutely stank the PL out. We weren’t being ‘disrespected’, we were taking the piss just being there.
After spending ages going on about ‘being humble’ and ‘knowing who we are’ we reverted to type and downed tools.
The manager couldn’t be arsed and quit.
The board couldn’t be arsed and gave up.
The owner focused on giving us away in a deal to protect his investment at any cost to the club.
The players couldn’t be arsed and wanted out.
The fans yearned for the halcyon days of league 2.
I bet Middlesbrough were more annoyed than us when we got called that. We were the 3rd worst team in PL history, starting games with a front 3 of Puncheon, Depoitre and Kachunga.
We were an absolute car crash from top to bottom. Who can blame the pundits for giving us the respect we deserved?!?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 25, 2024 12:52:42 GMT 1
Jobi Mcaniff is excellent imo Jobi McAnuff is indeed excellent in my opinion. Speaks well and clearly does his homework. Compare and contrast with Clinton Morrison. Worlds apart. And don’t get me started on Paul Merson. Can’t pronounce any foreign player’s names and doesn’t think he needs to. And actually said yesterday about Man.United, “They ain’t getting in the top four,why they even tryin’, they ain’t gonna win the Champions league so what’s the point tryin’?” So they should be glad they lost to Fulham then? I shall reach for the mute button in future… I agree entirely with your critique of Merson. When SKY had their cull a season or so ago he survived pure and simply - in my opinion - because they knew that if he was side-lined along with Phil Thompson, Charlie Nicholas and whoever else it was, with nothing else to do Merson would have descended into the mire of betting and alcoholism again. He is useless. As you quite rightly say, he has no idea how to pronounce foreign names and makes no effort to do it, preferring to ask those around him, and he thinks that's funny, but it's nothing other than disrespectful. He could do with an audience with all of the players whose names he mispronounces and being made to get them all correct before being allowed back into the studio. He might know his football, but he isn't good at his job. |
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Post by Bubbles on Feb 25, 2024 12:58:16 GMT 1
Jobi McAnuff is indeed excellent in my opinion. Speaks well and clearly does his homework. Compare and contrast with Clinton Morrison. Worlds apart. And don’t get me started on Paul Merson. Can’t pronounce any foreign player’s names and doesn’t think he needs to. And actually said yesterday about Man.United, “They ain’t getting in the top four,why they even tryin’, they ain’t gonna win the Champions league so what’s the point tryin’?” So they should be glad they lost to Fulham then? I shall reach for the mute button in future… The only good thing he's ever said is that him at 53 could do a better job than most of the ManUre players And you think he’s right? 🤔 |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 25, 2024 13:12:08 GMT 1
The only good thing he's ever said is that him at 53 could do a better job than most of the ManUre players And you think he’s right? 🤔 Well since my dead grandma could do a better job than most of them, yes |
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Post by Bubbles on Feb 25, 2024 13:16:07 GMT 1
And you think he’s right? 🤔 Well since my dead grandma could do a better job than most of them, yes Wow. 🙄 |
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Post by waggers on Feb 25, 2024 13:16:13 GMT 1
Of course pundits support teams, everyone knows which teams Lineker, Shearer, Wright, Neville, Carragher etc support and they're pundits not political broadcasters why do they have to be completely impartial? If anything it's less fake. Neville is as critical of Manchester United as anyone. I would say that maybe it's the setting they're in that can make them seem boring. Lineker, Shearer and Richards have a podcast where Lineker and Shearer show far more personality and the same with Neville, Carragher, Keane and Wright, the first 3 in particular are very different on those than in a studio, Keane is just very dry which comes across very different when doing his punditry. Don't really mind any of these in particular, Micah Richards (also does have knowledge of the game just comes off in a way that he doesn't) clearly just loves life , have absolutely no issue with that good on him the world would be a better place with more people like that. Others like Murphy, Jenas, Keown, Dixon could tell me the most insightful thing I've ever heard (they won't) and I'd miss it because I'd be staring in to space till they'd stopped talking. Yeah I don't mind pundits showing a bit of bias towards their favoured teams, we all know which teams they are. As you say the likes of Keane and Nevillw in particular are harsher towards Man United than anyone else. The issue with the likes of Lineker are the links to the BBC, a lot of folk dislike (some like) him because he expresses political opinions whilst being paid a large wage from a publicly funded purse. Carragher is arguably the most bias but has great knowledge, Murphy suits radio. |
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Post by sabailand on Feb 25, 2024 13:17:06 GMT 1
Same with spit the dog talking about Liverpool and Neville on Man U,the big clubs seem to have their own jobs for the boys type pundits,while all the rest of the clubs get treated as second rate cannon fodder Do you listen to Gary Neville ? He's quite happy to criticise Utd and praise the opposition, you're right about Carragher though Agree, hes been absolutely scathing about Man utd at times, and at the same time praised both Liverpool and Man city, he dosnt make himself sound like an helmet, he knows whats needed at Man utd who are very much lacking at the mo. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 25, 2024 13:37:13 GMT 1
Of course pundits support teams, everyone knows which teams Lineker, Shearer, Wright, Neville, Carragher etc support and they're pundits not political broadcasters why do they have to be completely impartial? If anything it's less fake. Neville is as critical of Manchester United as anyone. I would say that maybe it's the setting they're in that can make them seem boring. Lineker, Shearer and Richards have a podcast where Lineker and Shearer show far more personality and the same with Neville, Carragher, Keane and Wright, the first 3 in particular are very different on those than in a studio, Keane is just very dry which comes across very different when doing his punditry. Don't really mind any of these in particular, Micah Richards (also does have knowledge of the game just comes off in a way that he doesn't) clearly just loves life , have absolutely no issue with that good on him the world would be a better place with more people like that. Others like Murphy, Jenas, Keown, Dixon could tell me the most insightful thing I've ever heard (they won't) and I'd miss it because I'd be staring in to space till they'd stopped talking. Yeah I don't mind pundits showing a bit of bias towards their favoured teams, we all know which teams they are. As you say the likes of Keane and Nevillw in particular are harsher towards Man United than anyone else. The issue with the likes of Lineker are the links to the BBC, a lot of folk dislike (some like) him because he expresses political opinions whilst being paid a large wage from a publicly funded purse. Carragher is arguably the most bias but has great knowledge, Murphy suits radio. But both the hosts of the BBC's 2 flagship political programmes show immense bias to the Tory Party 🤷 |
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Post by waggers on Feb 25, 2024 13:39:58 GMT 1
Yeah I don't mind pundits showing a bit of bias towards their favoured teams, we all know which teams they are. As you say the likes of Keane and Nevillw in particular are harsher towards Man United than anyone else. The issue with the likes of Lineker are the links to the BBC, a lot of folk dislike (some like) him because he expresses political opinions whilst being paid a large wage from a publicly funded purse. Carragher is arguably the most bias but has great knowledge, Murphy suits radio. But both the hosts of the BBC's 2 flagship political programmes show immense bias to the Tory Party 🤷 I tend to stay away from politics on here, I regretted mentioning it in my previous post....The BBC tend to be disliked by both sides of the political isle. |
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Post by waggers on Feb 25, 2024 13:40:41 GMT 1
Yeah I don't mind pundits showing a bit of bias towards their favoured teams, we all know which teams they are. As you say the likes of Keane and Nevillw in particular are harsher towards Man United than anyone else. The issue with the likes of Lineker are the links to the BBC, a lot of folk dislike (some like) him because he expresses political opinions whilst being paid a large wage from a publicly funded purse. Carragher is arguably the most bias but has great knowledge, Murphy suits radio. But both the hosts of the BBC's 2 flagship political programmes show immense bias to the Tory Party 🤷 I tend to stay away from politics on here, I regretted mentioning it in my previous post....The BBC tend to be disliked by both sides of the political aisle. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 25, 2024 14:01:54 GMT 1
Also, after November in the second season we absolutely stank the PL out. We weren’t being ‘disrespected’, we were taking the piss just being there. After spending ages going on about ‘being humble’ and ‘knowing who we are’ we reverted to type and downed tools. The manager couldn’t be arsed and quit. The board couldn’t be arsed and gave up. The owner focused on giving us away in a deal to protect his investment at any cost to the club. The players couldn’t be arsed and wanted out. The fans yearned for the halcyon days of league 2. I bet Middlesbrough were more annoyed than us when we got called that. We were the 3rd worst team in PL history, starting games with a front 3 of Puncheon, Depoitre and Kachunga. We were an absolute car crash from top to bottom. Who can blame the pundits for giving us the respect we deserved?!? I think the owner focused on not dying. |
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Post by scutcher on Feb 25, 2024 14:08:41 GMT 1
I record the football highlights programmes then you can ffwd all the punditry off!
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Post by dm on Feb 25, 2024 14:17:05 GMT 1
I don't watch things that annoy me.
FWIW I take anything pundits say with a pinch of salt. Murphy, Sutton and Jenas are unwatchable though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 15:12:06 GMT 1
Read an article about Souness saying he supports Bournemouth,so why doesn't he waffle on about them a bit more? Cos he’s not on telly anymore. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 25, 2024 15:30:41 GMT 1
Pundits are nothing more than a by-product of the 24/7 media, it has to feed the machine, and if you only show the football and not the controversy you’re not doing your job properly as a producer.
Lee Dixon was one of the best for me, didn’t really show any bias towards Arsenal.
There are probably loads more good ones out there, but normality doesn’t sell. Better to have catarrh Carragher and the Hyena Richards in your studio, plus a bit of argy bargy between old foes if you can get those to sign up to it.
I’d love them to go back to an old style of highlights programme, simply because you’d probably get 15 mins more actual football per hour of programme.
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Post by Jack on Feb 25, 2024 21:37:18 GMT 1
Referring to players by nicknames or Christian names is a funny one too but like when you see refs doing it to when they’re smiling with arms around each other. We're probably guilty of it with Sorba. |
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Post by bluebeard on Feb 25, 2024 21:48:31 GMT 1
I like Ian Wright and remember the league cup game against Palace when Wright and Bright took us to the cleaners. I can't stand Lineker and Alex Scott.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 25, 2024 22:58:14 GMT 1
I like Ian Wright and remember the league cup game against Palace when Wright and Bright took us to the cleaners. I can't stand Lineker and Alex Scott. His performance (and hat trick) for Arsenal in the 1st leg of an early 90’s league cup tie under the Leeds Rd lights was magnificent. |
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Post by Tiro on Feb 26, 2024 0:59:13 GMT 1
Fucking hell, even for DATM, this is niche.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 26, 2024 6:20:44 GMT 1
Referring to players by nicknames or Christian names is a funny one too but like when you see refs doing it to when they’re smiling with arms around each other. We're probably guilty of it with Sorba. But we aren't pundits on national telly |
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Post by Jack on Feb 26, 2024 12:32:58 GMT 1
We're probably guilty of it with Sorba. But we aren't pundits on national telly Speak for yourself. I'll have a word with Wrighty, Links and the gang. |
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Post by Hazza on Feb 26, 2024 15:58:49 GMT 1
Strange phenomenon that isn't it, and very fecking annoying! Another weird one is the ex Bristol City keeper Dan Bentley. For some reason always gets called by his full name in commentary rather than just Bentley! There are loads of players who only get referred to by their full name, and never just their surname, it’s a curious thing… Solly March Barry Bannan Nick Pope Reece James Delle Ali Billy Gilmour Dan Burn Ruel Fox |
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 26, 2024 16:23:58 GMT 1
Referring to players by nicknames or Christian names is a funny one too but like when you see refs doing it to when they’re smiling with arms around each other. We're probably guilty of it with Sorba. I think it's allowed when players have unusual first names and less unusual surnames |
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 26, 2024 16:28:49 GMT 1
Strange phenomenon that isn't it, and very fecking annoying! Another weird one is the ex Bristol City keeper Dan Bentley. For some reason always gets called by his full name in commentary rather than just Bentley! There are loads of players who only get referred to by their full name, and never just their surname, it’s a curious thing… Solly March Barry Bannan Nick Pope Reece James Delle Ali Billy Gilmour Dan Burn I remember the football clichés podcast claiming it mainly happens when players have a two syllable first name and a one syllable surname. Not convinced of that myself. For me, the first 3 of the following are full namers, and the other two aren't.. Karlan Grant Danny Ward Jordan Rhodes Aaron Mooy Andy Booth |
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