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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 25, 2024 10:31:25 GMT 1
One for the statisticians out there.
How many Town bosses have won their first game?
As I recall the following didn't:
Moore
Warnock (all three first two spells) EDITED
Fotheringham
Schofield
Corberán
Cowley
Wagner
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 25, 2024 10:38:31 GMT 1
Sack him immediately
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 25, 2024 10:41:11 GMT 1
Worthington did, if Caretakers count.
My memory tells me Horton did, but I don't trust it.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 25, 2024 10:42:52 GMT 1
Before yesterday, only four Town managers had won their first game in charge over the last 40 years.
Ian Ross - 1992
Lee Clark - 2008
Simon Grayson - 2012
Neil Warnock- 2023
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 25, 2024 10:43:50 GMT 1
Worthington did, if Caretakers count. My memory tells me Horton did, but I don't trust it. Lost 3-0 at Oldham. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 25, 2024 11:11:47 GMT 1
Worthington did, if Caretakers count. My memory tells me Horton did, but I don't trust it. Lost 3-0 at Oldham. I was there for that one. Had my car pranged by an idiot who ran into the back of me. He got out, apologised immediately and admitted liability. Then his wife got out, told him to shut up and accused me of backing into him! Went through insurance and ended up knock for knock. Rotten day. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 25, 2024 11:15:02 GMT 1
Before yesterday, only four Town managers had won their first game in charge over the last 40 years. Ian Ross - 1992 Lee Clark - 2008 Simon Grayson - 2012 Neil Warnock- 2023 Warnock 2023 - correct. I got that one wrong in my list - forgot that we beat Brum; was thinking of Stoke (a) but that was Narcis. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 25, 2024 11:15:31 GMT 1
Worthington did, if Caretakers count. My memory tells me Horton did, but I don't trust it. Not counting caretakers - full-time only. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 25, 2024 11:19:24 GMT 1
Arthur Fairclough - 1912
Ambrose Langley - 1919
Clem Stephenson - 1929
Bill Shankly - 1956
Eddie Boot - 1960 (first game in permanent charge)
Tom Johnston - 1977 (first game of third spell)
Mick Buxton - 1978 (first game in permanent charge)
Ian Ross - 1992
Lee Clark - 2008
Simon Grayson - 2012
Neil Warnock - 2023
Andre Breitenreiter - 2024
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Post by alexdire on Feb 25, 2024 11:20:45 GMT 1
Before yesterday, only four Town managers had won their first game in charge over the last 40 years. Ian Ross - 1992 Lee Clark - 2008 Simon Grayson - 2012 Neil Warnock- 2023 It depends on how you count when Steve Smith's reign started. As caretaker he won at Blackburn but he did lose against Sunderland when he officially took over. |
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Post by araucaria on Feb 25, 2024 11:21:49 GMT 1
One for the statisticians out there. How many Town bosses have won their first game? As I recall the following didn't: Moore Warnock (all three spells) Fotheringham Schofield Corberán Cowley Wagner I did a full analysis of this before Moore's first game, which was buried in  at the time. None of the 4 that are listed below by htafcokay won their first match away from home. I believe that AB is the 7th (out of 41, including wartime and counting those who've managed twice, or three times in Tom Johnston's case) who've won their very first match away. The others are Pudan, Langley, Potter, Shankly, Johnston second time around, Smith as caretaker, Buxton second time around (and anyone who wants to argue that he was only the assistant can fuck off - Ross was tied up in a cupboard at the time) and Warnock first time. AB is only the 4th manager to win his very first match which happened to be away from home, the others being Albert Pudan who won our very first game as a league club 1-0 at Bradford in September 1910, Shankly, who won 5-0 at Barnsley in 1956 and Steve Smith at Blackburn in 1987. It's not an everyday event. |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 25, 2024 11:24:25 GMT 1
Brilliant first result. Hopefully he can join the ranks of managers to win their first two games in charge
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 25, 2024 11:28:05 GMT 1
One for the statisticians out there. How many Town bosses have won their first game? As I recall the following didn't: Moore Warnock (all three spells) Fotheringham Schofield Corberán Cowley Wagner I did a full analysis of this before Moore's first game, which was buried in at the time. None of the 4 that are listed below by htafcokay won their first match away from home. I believe that AB is the 7th (out of 41, including wartime and counting those who've managed twice, or three times in Tom Johnston's case) who've won their very first match away. The others are Pudan, Langley, Potter, Shankly, Johnston second time around, Smith as caretaker, Buxton second time around (and anyone who wants to argue that he was only the assistant can fuck off - Ross was tied up in a cupboard at the time) and Warnock first time. AB is only the 3rd manager to win his very first match which happened to be away from home, the others being Albert Pudan who won our very first game as a league club 1-0 at Bradford in September 1910 and Shankly, who won 5-0 at Barnsley in 1956. It's not an everyday event. Buxton himself says he saw himself as First Team Coach in 1993. |
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Post by araucaria on Feb 25, 2024 11:30:57 GMT 1
Brilliant first result. Hopefully he can join the ranks of managers to win their first two games in charge Which is a very short list - Langley, Shankly and Smith (and I think we can count caretakers who were made permanent, can't we?) |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 25, 2024 11:33:10 GMT 1
One for the statisticians out there. How many Town bosses have won their first game? As I recall the following didn't: Moore Warnock (all three spells) Fotheringham Schofield Corberán Cowley Wagner I did a full analysis of this before Moore's first game, which was buried in at the time. None of the 4 that are listed below by htafcokay won their first match away from home. I believe that AB is the 7th (out of 41, including wartime and counting those who've managed twice, or three times in Tom Johnston's case) who've won their very first match away. The others are Pudan, Langley, Potter, Shankly, Johnston second time around, Smith as caretaker, Buxton second time around (and anyone who wants to argue that he was only the assistant can fuck off - Ross was tied up in a cupboard at the time) and Warnock first time. AB is only the 3rd manager to win his very first match which happened to be away from home, the others being Albert Pudan who won our very first game as a league club 1-0 at Bradford in September 1910 and Shankly, who won 5-0 at Barnsley in 1956. It's not an everyday event. Brilliant!   |
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Post by araucaria on Feb 25, 2024 11:34:30 GMT 1
Arthur Fairclough - 1912 Ambrose Langley - 1919 Clem Stephenson - 1929 Bill Shankly - 1956 Eddie Boot - 1960 (first game in permanent charge) Tom Johnston - 1977 (first game of third spell) Mick Buxton - 1978 (first game in permanent charge) Ian Ross - 1992 Lee Clark - 2008 Simon Grayson - 2012 Neil Warnock - 2023 Andre Breitenreiter - 2024 Albert Pudan David Steele Andy Beattie Tom Johnston second spell as well as third Lillis, Murphy, Narcis, Jonny and Steve Smith as caretakers. I believe that Boot won his first home games both as caretaker and when made permanent, but I really don't see the point of discounting caretakers who were made permanent anyway, so, for me, Buxton started with a draw. |
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Post by araucaria on Feb 25, 2024 11:34:58 GMT 1
I did a full analysis of this before Moore's first game, which was buried in at the time. None of the 4 that are listed below by htafcokay won their first match away from home. I believe that AB is the 7th (out of 41, including wartime and counting those who've managed twice, or three times in Tom Johnston's case) who've won their very first match away. The others are Pudan, Langley, Potter, Shankly, Johnston second time around, Smith as caretaker, Buxton second time around (and anyone who wants to argue that he was only the assistant can fuck off - Ross was tied up in a cupboard at the time) and Warnock first time. AB is only the 3rd manager to win his very first match which happened to be away from home, the others being Albert Pudan who won our very first game as a league club 1-0 at Bradford in September 1910 and Shankly, who won 5-0 at Barnsley in 1956. It's not an everyday event. Brilliant! And someone still wants to argue. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 25, 2024 11:47:04 GMT 1
Brilliant! And someone still wants to argue. Whatever. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 25, 2024 11:51:26 GMT 1
Arthur Fairclough - 1912 Ambrose Langley - 1919 Clem Stephenson - 1929 Bill Shankly - 1956 Eddie Boot - 1960 (first game in permanent charge) Tom Johnston - 1977 (first game of third spell) Mick Buxton - 1978 (first game in permanent charge) Ian Ross - 1992 Lee Clark - 2008 Simon Grayson - 2012 Neil Warnock - 2023 Andre Breitenreiter - 2024 Albert Pudan David Steele Andy Beattie Tom Johnston second spell as well as third Lillis, Murphy, Narcis, Jonny and Steve Smith as caretakers. I believe that Boot won his first home games both as caretaker and when made permanent, but I really don't see the point of discounting caretakers who were made permanent anyway, so, for me, Buxton started with a draw. Pudan didn't win his first game but Beattie did. Fred Walker took charge of our first game in the Football League, rather than Pudan. |
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Post by rubicon on Feb 25, 2024 12:49:54 GMT 1
I was there for that one. Had my car pranged by an idiot who ran into the back of me. He got out, apologised immediately and admitted liability. Then his wife got out, told him to shut up and accused me of backing into him! Went through insurance and ended up knock for knock. Rotten day. Glad I'm not married to anyone that evil. I'd really lose a lot of respect for my wife if that occurred. What is it they say? "Honesty is the best policy" It should be anyway. |
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Post by rubicon on Feb 25, 2024 12:55:39 GMT 1
Having missed 74 to around 2000 due to living in Essex having moved away and with kids could only see Town games at such as Southend and Colchester, what amazes me is the fact, that we employed Tom Johnston THREE times. He couldn't get us promoted in the 60s when we had very good teams, and introduced the blue shirts more than once, just because he was a Rangers supporter apparently.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 25, 2024 13:08:15 GMT 1
Worthington did, if Caretakers count. My memory tells me Horton did, but I don't trust it. Thought Horton first game was Oldham away first game of season we got stuffed 3 nill Just read other posts sorry someone’s already said this |
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Post by araucaria on Feb 26, 2024 10:51:52 GMT 1
Albert Pudan David Steele Andy Beattie Tom Johnston second spell as well as third Lillis, Murphy, Narcis, Jonny and Steve Smith as caretakers. I believe that Boot won his first home games both as caretaker and when made permanent, but I really don't see the point of discounting caretakers who were made permanent anyway, so, for me, Buxton started with a draw. Pudan didn't win his first game but Beattie did. Fred Walker took charge of our first game in the Football League, rather than Pudan. Walker was player-manager in the non-league seasons. He was released in May 1910, according to 75 Years On, but maybe you have a better source. If not, I believe that my original list is definitive, give or take caretakers becoming permanent. Only you, me and Bassingham are interested in this anyway. |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 26, 2024 10:57:27 GMT 1
I wonder how many got an away win on their first game in charge??
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 26, 2024 11:02:43 GMT 1
I wonder how many got an away win on their first game in charge?? Read the thread back - it's there. Breitenreiter is only the fourth. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 26, 2024 11:06:56 GMT 1
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Post by araucaria on Feb 26, 2024 11:11:20 GMT 1
Having missed 74 to around 2000 due to living in Essex having moved away and with kids could only see Town games at such as Southend and Colchester, what amazes me is the fact, that we employed Tom Johnston THREE times. He couldn't get us promoted in the 60s when we had very good teams, and introduced the blue shirts more than once, just because he was a Rangers supporter apparently. Tom was just half-a-dozen wins away from being on our best managers list. Carlisle away and Coventry at home in '66, win both and we go up, Arsenal at home in the League Cup semi-final second leg, win and we play Saturday's opponents in a cup final at Wembley, Tranmere away in 1976 and a ref who can keep up with the play....And we were struggling quite badly when he arrived in 1963-64, but he signed some excellent players and we soon reached mid-table. |
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Post by araucaria on Feb 26, 2024 11:20:40 GMT 1
He actually does have a better source. Excellent stuff. Now if someone could just write up the definitive list we can move on. |
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Post by araucaria on Feb 26, 2024 11:25:23 GMT 1
Albert Pudan David Steele Andy Beattie Tom Johnston second spell as well as third Lillis, Murphy, Narcis, Jonny and Steve Smith as caretakers. I believe that Boot won his first home games both as caretaker and when made permanent, but I really don't see the point of discounting caretakers who were made permanent anyway, so, for me, Buxton started with a draw. Pudan didn't win his first game but Beattie did. Fred Walker took charge of our first game in the Football League, rather than Pudan. Bassingham Terrier has shown the link to your research on Walker and very impressive it is too. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 28, 2024 17:17:27 GMT 1
One for the statisticians out there. How many Town bosses have won their first game? As I recall the following didn't: Moore Warnock ( all three first two spells) EDITEDFotheringham Schofield Corberán Cowley Wagner Still confused by the Warnock edit. Are you treating last season's rescue job as separate to the start of this season? Or assuming that he'll need to come back and rescue us again in a few years?  |
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at the time. None of the 4 that are listed below by htafcokay won their first match away from home. 
