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Post by benhomly on Apr 14, 2024 11:50:30 GMT 1
For me it's about not putting yourself in the position for the ref to make the mistake in the first place. They say as a defender never turn your back on the ball and like it or not his arm did go out. The clip that shows that is more or less from the angle she saw it at as well. It's alright showing other clips that show it wasn't a penalty but she can only go by what she sees. I presume we all saw that clip from a few days ago where was it Portsmouth (?) were awarded a penalty for handball when the defender was at least a yard outside the box? A hundred times more ridiculous that yesterdays decision.
If we go down it's because our game management this season has been pathetic. Both from the bench under every coach since Warnock including Worthington where a succession of bizarre team selections and substitutions have cost us many points and from the set of spineless/heartless players that we've ended up with this season.
Virtually every team down our end of the table has pulled off at least one 'what the f***' result lately apart from .....us. If we go to Ipswich on the last day and somehow win to be safe i'll bow down to them but my money will be on our 10th reverse of at least 4 goals this season. Not even in THAT season of 1987-88 did we conceded anything like 4 or more goals in 10 games.
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Post by rocky on Apr 14, 2024 11:56:02 GMT 1
I agree that the penalty decision yesterday will not be the sole reason for whatever our outcome is this season. However, at this stage, when permutations get more complex and tighter, the net result of that decision is that we would have been a point above Brum now. Acknowledging Wed have a part to play, had this been the case, a win v Swansea and v Brum would have seen us mathematically clear of Brum. It was just the nature of a decision that 9 times out of 10 that would have been given as a corner. Only she can explain what she saw in that to give a clear and intentional handball, because I’d imagine even some of the most partisan Leeds Utd supporters would feel we got gubbed yesterday. If she gave that, then you also have to think that Koroma being harassed in the penalty area in the first half was also a good shout for foul play. The decision was shite, massive repercussions for us, but just another shite decision in a long list of shite decisions that many teams have to suffer. PGMOL are a closed shop, I think they’re bad for the game personally, simply because with VAR they mark their own homework. Are they part of wider corruption in football? It certainly wouldn’t surprise me if such things came to light in yrs to come. More like 999 times out of a 1,000. You mention Leeds fans - my mate (who goes home and away with them and is quite fair) text me straight after; 'If that's a pen, the game's fucked'. |
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Post by specialun on Apr 14, 2024 12:01:37 GMT 1
It’s a a diabolical decision
I can’t believe any ref could make that bad a call
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Post by rocky on Apr 14, 2024 12:07:26 GMT 1
For me it's about not putting yourself in the position for the ref to make the mistake in the first place. They say as a defender never turn your back on the ball and like it or not his arm did go out. The clip that shows that is more or less from the angle she saw it at as well. It's alright showing other clips that show it wasn't a penalty but she can only go by what she sees. I presume we all saw that clip from a few days ago where was it Portsmouth (?) were awarded a penalty for handball when the defender was at least a yard outside the box? A hundred times more ridiculous that yesterdays decision. If we go down it's because our game management this season has been pathetic. Both from the bench under every coach since Warnock including Worthington where a succession of bizarre team selections and substitutions have cost us many points and from the set of spineless/heartless players that we've ended up with this season. Virtually every team down our end of the table has pulled off at least one 'what the f***' result lately apart from .....us. If we go to Ipswich on the last day and somehow win to be safe i'll bow down to them but my money will be on our 10th reverse of at least 4 goals this season. Not even in THAT season of 1987-88 did we conceded anything like 4 or more goals in 10 games. I've been thinking about that too mate. Some even have 2, Millwall for example v Southampton and Leicester! Contrast that with Town, played ALL the top half at home and won precisely NONE! |
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Post by griffa on Apr 14, 2024 12:08:23 GMT 1
It is a simple issue ie it's a poor refereeing decision. The referee who made it needs to be assessed and asked by their governing body what prompted them to make that decision. All this about the individual and suggesting their gender has anything to do with the decision they made is nonsense. Any misogynistic ranting is pitiful but it also diminishes the central debate, namely it was a shockingly bad decision. Of course the other frustration that is driving the fury is the knowledge whatever we say isn't going to get us our 2 points back. It's that futility that makes things worse. Regardless of gender, there are too many poor referees, in the Championship. ironically the last game referred by our old friend Jeremy Simpson, was surprisingly well referred, yesterday was a new low. Think it was Geoff Eltringham who awarded the penalty, for a foul outside the penalty area, estimated to have been 25 yards, enough said! |
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Post by detox on Apr 14, 2024 12:10:50 GMT 1
just watched the replays....
Firstly she was right to add on over 3 mins to the 5 mins...the penalty was given at just over 8 mins, so was probably 30 seconds left.
The second thing, the penalty...was Turtons' arm in an 'unnatural' position ? He was falling backwards while turning his back to the cross, his left arm was slightly elevated as he fell..which I'd say wasn't 'unnatural' considering. Had Turton stood up, face on..it might have been different though.
He's been out for 14 months though and brought on only minutes before to see out this crucial last minutes...Was that too big a risk to expect him the slot straight back into the groove after so long out of the game ?
As for the ref..well it's like last time we had her, Hull City equalising in the 94th minute...she's bad luck for us..that's 4 points (not necessarily all her fault).. but I hope we don't see her again.
With Brum winning, the initiative has been lost, but it's not all over. Brum will be as nervous as us and the added expectation they will beat bottom club Rotherham..they have it all to lose in 21st place while Town know only wins will do now.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 14, 2024 12:19:16 GMT 1
Not bothered about the gender, a bad ref is a bad ref and she's definitely up there with the worst.
Her reputation was bad before yesterday and unfortunately for us She'll likely get relegated to reffing league 1/2 games next season so our paths will likely cross again.
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Post by royrace on Apr 14, 2024 12:22:52 GMT 1
It is a simple issue ie it's a poor refereeing decision. The referee who made it needs to be assessed and asked by their governing body what prompted them to make that decision. All this about the individual and suggesting their gender has anything to do with the decision they made is nonsense. Any misogynistic ranting is pitiful but it also diminishes the central debate, namely it was a shockingly bad decision. Of course the other frustration that is driving the fury is the knowledge whatever we say isn't going to get us our 2 points back. It's that futility that makes things worse. Regardless of gender, there are too many poor referees, in the Championship. ironically the last game referred by our old friend Jeremy Simpson, was surprisingly well referred, yesterday was a new low. Think it was Geoff Eltringham who awarded the penalty, for a foul outside the penalty area, estimated to have been 25 yards, enough said! There needs to be something similar to var that is able to immediately reverse these key decisions. They massively over engineered var. Allow the ref to trot off to side of pitch to review video then reassess the decision of appropriate. Penalties are the obvious ones and sendings off. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Apr 14, 2024 12:32:14 GMT 1
Is she referring games at Championship level on merit because she's shown how good she is as ref? Or has she been fast tracked to tick diversity boxes? Interesting that her and Sam Allison were both fast tracked referees. It might have cost Huddersfield Town over 8 million of the Queens English pounds. When she ref'd us vs Hull at home there was 2 goals and 2 subs in added time but she blew directly on what was given in added time. Despite all of those stoppages in play but the clock kept ticking and she blew after the original added time! Today there was 5 minutes added time. Helik was down for at most 2 minutes, there was no other time delays for injuries but she kept playing on and awarded a penalty on the 100th minute! Where is the consistency? The kings English pounds yer sexist pig yer 🤣 |
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Post by dewsburyborn on Apr 14, 2024 12:52:52 GMT 1
what happened to the new rule that screaming into a ref's face and excessive appealing warranted an instant yellow card ? just check the Brizzle guy nearest to her after the incident happened .....
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Post by stanton1969 on Apr 14, 2024 13:10:28 GMT 1
The ref was awful yesterday from start to finish. No common sense applied to the first booking. Constantly giving free kicks to them for falling over having not been touched. Not giving free kicks to us that were definite fouls. Too much time played after the initial 5 minutes of stoppage time. The ref should have blown on 8 minutes. And it was not a penalty. He was in an entirely natural position given he was pretty much on the floor with his arm pretty much by his side. It is also far too close for him to get anything out of the way, let alone an arm. Not sure what could have been done other than amputating his arm to be honest.
The ref definitely had both barrels already loaded when it came to giving the penalty. No hesitation whatsoever. Didn't even think about it.
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 14, 2024 13:29:46 GMT 1
Not bothered about the gender, a bad ref is a bad ref and she's definitely up there with the worst. Her reputation was bad before yesterday and unfortunately for us She'll likely get relegated to reffing league 1/2 games next season so our paths will likely cross again. No chance. She’s already reffed a prem game, she’ll be a permanent premier league ref sooner rather than later. The optics of having her are far more important for the premier league/efl/PGMOL than whether she is up to standard. She’s been selected to go ref at the olympics. I couldn’t care less about women reffing men but it’s just so painfully obvious that she’s been fast tracked because of her sex, she didn’t start reffing until 2010. She lost control of the Hull game following a boat load of bizarre decision and you don’t give 99th minute penalties in key games unless you’re fucking certain. It’s an horrific decision, an absolute aberration. That said the standard of reffing in this country is diabolical fullstop. |
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Post by ronaldinio on Apr 14, 2024 13:29:48 GMT 1
what happened to the new rule that screaming into a ref's face and excessive appealing warranted an instant yellow card ? just check the Brizzle guy nearest to her after the incident happened ..... Exactly, the Brizzle player taking the cross thought it was a corner (from memory - we were at the opposite end of the ground) but not for a second, bias or not, did anyone imagine that was a penalty. I can emotions are high, especially after our support yesterday were nothing short of superb. Not great in numbers but from the start loud, consistent, supportive and all hoping other results would help our cause. Matos deserves a special mention, passion was high but his maturity after an early ish yellow was exlemporary as to play the way he does, cards will follow on and with yesterdays ref a toss of coin seemed to decide if you were carded or not. Almost 24 hrs to reflect has still left me disillusioned with football standards per say - in a way the penalty decision has left a few annoying things in the shadows like Delano’s shameful attempt to win a penalty in the second half, when a cross should have ensued. So we were not and are not whiter than white but and a big BUT is how can a decision like that not be thought over, considering the implications - be it first game of the season or not - and to help referees there should be “at least” discuss with lines person covering that half , just to be certain. Even from her view, she simply cannot be sure, not 100% sure , and that is what killed the game for me, the result was sickening, heartbreaking but it is the circumstance that leaves the worst taste. Irrelevant of her gender, irrelevant of her past errors, that should simply not be allowed in a paid role, that affects businesses outcomes in reality. Q: retrospective benchmarking? Does that happen? I want people to want to be referees as without them we have no game, but the quality is poor so how do we as football supporters ensure its future with high standards of refereeing - maybe ex players should make the best officials? Rebecca is infamous for all the wrong reasons, as she should be championed for her gender and where she is entering the male dominated sport, and I for one think a female manager in the men’s game is close and support that “if” for all the right reasons and not just because for a box ticking excercise. We are where we are, but my support has not waved only my confidence, as we need to buck a seasons trend now over three games - huge task! Who would have thought 49 pts would have been needed - not me! Rovers will stifle Wednesday to a draw, Rotherham look hard to beat tbh but Brum highlights see them gun Ho and I think Rotherham ain’t got the fight … but we have a task in front and that is to dismantle Swansea and ideally confidently. What a roller coaster ruined by a poor, poor decision yesterday. Ps…. Hats off to Bedminster Cricket Club, sound staff, made so welcome, lovely BBQ, pool and darts too, and 10 mins walk to ground and 15 mins to M5 - 👏🏻 |
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Post by harris on Apr 14, 2024 13:44:15 GMT 1
Premier League game for Rebecca Welch next week as expected.
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 14, 2024 13:59:37 GMT 1
Not bothered about the gender, a bad ref is a bad ref and she's definitely up there with the worst. Her reputation was bad before yesterday and unfortunately for us She'll likely get relegated to reffing league 1/2 games next season so our paths will likely cross again. No chance. She’s already reffed a prem game, she’ll be a permanent premier league ref sooner rather than later. The optics of having her are far more important for the premier league/efl/PGMOL than whether she is up to standard. She’s been selected to go ref at the olympics. I couldn’t care less about women reffing men but it’s just so painfully obvious that she’s been fast tracked because of her sex, she didn’t start reffing until 2010. She lost control of the Hull game following a boat load of bizarre decision and you don’t give 99th minute penalties in key games unless you’re fucking certain. It’s an horrific decision, an absolute aberration. That said the standard of reffing in this country is diabolical fullstop. Said yesterday in a post she took charge of her first league 2 game in march 2021 in 2023 she got a prem game it’s ridiculous. Promotions up the leagues should be on merit and experience and nothing else. |
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Post by griffa on Apr 14, 2024 14:05:45 GMT 1
It’s a a diabolical decision I can’t believe any ref could make that bad a call 2 bad decisions in a week are hard to take, Lewis Smith was just as culpable v PNE - UTT. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 15:50:04 GMT 1
Some of you obviously never saw Nigel Miller reffing Town. Christ, he was bad.
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Post by htfcterry on Apr 14, 2024 17:36:48 GMT 1
Some of you obviously never saw Nigel Miller reffing Town. Christ, he was bad. Who was that one that sent Boothy off at Orient? Sure one of his names was Trevor. God he was a right wanker. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 17:38:42 GMT 1
Some of you obviously never saw Nigel Miller reffing Town. Christ, he was bad. Who was that one that sent Boothy off at Orient? Sure one of his names was Trevor. God he was a right wanker. Trevor Parkes. |
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Post by htfcterry on Apr 14, 2024 17:45:02 GMT 1
Who was that one that sent Boothy off at Orient? Sure one of his names was Trevor. God he was a right wanker. Trevor Parkes. Remember after that Boothy sending off he got some right grief every time we had him. I think it was Stockport away one game Town fans were on his case whilst he was warming up and the game hadn't even started. |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 14, 2024 17:59:37 GMT 1
Some of you obviously never saw Nigel Miller reffing Town. Christ, he was bad. I have no memory of him, what sort of era are we talking? I grew up with George Courtney being the one ref we could rely on to shaft us. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 18:02:44 GMT 1
Some of you obviously never saw Nigel Miller reffing Town. Christ, he was bad. I have no memory of him, what sort of era are we talking? I grew up with George Courtney being the one ref we could rely on to shaft us. 2000s. Was a copper who used to run the line in the Premier League and was once spotted running the line live on Sky whilst off sick at work 😂 Bald bastard with a tache who hated us. We very rarely seemed to win when he refused. Another terrible one was Jarnail Singh. Absolutely garbage he was and shafted us a few times. I don't think much changes, only the names, and reckon fans of all 92 League clubs will insist that the refs are against them. That's just football. |
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Post by 2ellandback on Apr 14, 2024 18:44:32 GMT 1
I have no memory of him, what sort of era are we talking? I grew up with George Courtney being the one ref we could rely on to shaft us. 2000s. Was a copper who used to run the line in the Premier League and was once spotted running the line live on Sky whilst off sick at work 😂 Bald bastard with a tache who hated us. We very rarely seemed to win when he refused. Another terrible one was Jarnail Singh. Absolutely garbage he was and shafted us a few times. I don't think much changes, only the names, and reckon fans of all 92 League clubs will insist that the refs are against them. That's just football. Jarnail Singh was so bad he once gave a foul throw when a Town player was just throwing the ball to the full back to take the throw. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 18:47:28 GMT 1
2000s. Was a copper who used to run the line in the Premier League and was once spotted running the line live on Sky whilst off sick at work 😂 Bald bastard with a tache who hated us. We very rarely seemed to win when he refused. Another terrible one was Jarnail Singh. Absolutely garbage he was and shafted us a few times. I don't think much changes, only the names, and reckon fans of all 92 League clubs will insist that the refs are against them. That's just football. Jarnail Singh was so bad he once gave a foul throw when a Town player was just throwing the ball to the full back to take the throw. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who remembers that!! |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Apr 14, 2024 18:51:56 GMT 1
2000s. Was a copper who used to run the line in the Premier League and was once spotted running the line live on Sky whilst off sick at work 😂 Bald bastard with a tache who hated us. We very rarely seemed to win when he refused. Another terrible one was Jarnail Singh. Absolutely garbage he was and shafted us a few times. I don't think much changes, only the names, and reckon fans of all 92 League clubs will insist that the refs are against them. That's just football. Jarnail Singh was so bad he once gave a foul throw when a Town player was just throwing the ball to the full back to take the throw. James Linington sent Van la Parra off at Reading for shouting at himself |
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Post by cuz on Apr 14, 2024 19:02:03 GMT 1
Peter Willis - everytime the fat bald cheat and that useless cheating fecker Alcock v Wimbledon in FA Cup. Wasnt it Alcock Di Canio pushed over?
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 19:03:52 GMT 1
Peter Willis - everytime the fat bald cheat and that useless cheating fecker Alcock v Wimbledon in FA Cup. Wasnt it Alcock Di Canio pushed over? You're thinking of David Elleray against Wimbledon, surely? He denied us a clear penalty in a cup match under Jacko for handball. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 14, 2024 19:25:34 GMT 1
Peter Willis - everytime the fat bald cheat and that useless cheating fecker Alcock v Wimbledon in FA Cup. Wasnt it Alcock Di Canio pushed over? You're thinking of David Elleray against Wimbledon, surely? He denied us a clear penalty in a cup match under Jacko for handball. We made dicks out of ourselves then too, by threatening to sue someone to get the decision reversed. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 19:33:35 GMT 1
You're thinking of David Elleray against Wimbledon, surely? He denied us a clear penalty in a cup match under Jacko for handball. We made dicks out of ourselves then too, by threatening to sue someone to get the decision reversed. That was another time! It was Jeff Winter on that occasion in the League Cup. A new, naive owner decided he wanted to sue... |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Apr 14, 2024 19:37:47 GMT 1
I mistakenly thought this thread was about Raquel Welch.
As you might imagine, I’m now greatly disappointed that she wasn’t in Huddersfield this weekend.
I was hoping to share with her the delights of Costas, much better than Starbucks that she’ll be used to.
I even thought she might appreciate being fattened up a bit with a visit to Bolster Moor Farm Shop. After couple of pork pies, peas and chips, she’d look grand.
Imagine my even greater surprise when I discovered she’s been dead for over a year!
RIP Raquel, you were the best referee ever…erm, oops…I mean best ever actress.
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