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Post by cecerececerececere on Apr 13, 2024 19:37:23 GMT 1
SWhat does her being a woman have anything to do with her ability to referee? A lot. She is being fast-tracked because she is female, not due to her ability. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 13, 2024 19:39:12 GMT 1
She seemed to enjoy the home supporters approval of most decisions she made today I have to chuckle Pete. You often chastise people on here for their perceived negativity buy you are also prepared to take a wholly misogynistic opinion of a poor refereeing decision by a referee. Hardly consistent with someone who purports to the positive is it? It may well be a shocking refereeing performance but the gender is irrelevant. Competence is the issue here. What are you talking about? Maybe I should have said it or they or them or whatever? I was simply saying that the referee human being was a homer. Scraping the barrel to have a dig. I remain positive. We are staying up |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 13, 2024 19:40:00 GMT 1
Another angle. Not a pen, absolute guesswork and just pandering to the home crowd to get the last squeeze of attention she craved all game from them. Disgusting. Never a pen in a million years but having watched this angle several times, I wonder if she was intimidated by the Bristol player rushing towards her? |
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Post by theravymoomin on Apr 13, 2024 19:40:11 GMT 1
Fuck me
She was shit
She is shit
She should be demoted to Sunday league football after that
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Post by Dell12 on Apr 13, 2024 19:40:14 GMT 1
Another angle. Not a pen, absolute guesswork and just pandering to the home crowd to get the last squeeze of attention she craved all game from them. Disgusting. I've just screen recorded that and watched it at .25 speed and it is never a penalty. His arm naturally comes out as he slides but when the ball hits the arm it's actually back against his body. She's guessed and gone with the shouts. This is what I find so frustrating about the decision. To give a pen you have to be 100% sure, and she can't be. I have much more sympathy for refs not giving a decision that they're not fully sure about (because without VAR they get one look at it from potentially a poor position), than a ref simply guessing. If you're not sure, you don't give the penalty. |
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Post by harris on Apr 13, 2024 19:41:41 GMT 1
Another angle. Not a pen, absolute guesswork and just pandering to the home crowd to get the last squeeze of attention she craved all game from them. Disgusting. Never a pen in a million years but having watched this angle several times, I wonder if she was intimidated by the Bristol player rushing towards her? She should fucking grow up and give what she’s seen with her eyes, if that’s the case. |
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Post by araucaria on Apr 13, 2024 19:41:44 GMT 1
Bristol's second penalty against Blackburn in midweek is an equally bad joke. The defender runs towards his man beyond the far post, the corner comes over his head. He never looks at the ball and it brushes his arm, which crucially is in an unnatural position. But it's clearly accidental and should never be a penalty. Nahki sent it to the keeper's left, which may well be why Nicholls went that way today.
Would VAR have helped us today?
Ridiculous hand-ball penalty for Man U this evening. The fucking rule is ridiculous.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 13, 2024 19:42:08 GMT 1
Absolutely disgrace. All for equality etc. but she is a fucking joke. Get back behind the kitchen sink you fucking cuntflap Are you really all for equality? Yes. But with that pure incompetent she isn't really showing that women can officiate at this level. Whether we as fans like it or not, it is now a business. That decision could cost people millions of pounds. It could cost people their jobs. Not to mention the paying fans their today. Regardless of gender, if it has been a male ref, my feelings would be the same. |
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Post by Larry David on Apr 13, 2024 19:42:37 GMT 1
What about that one against Rotherham for WBA... I'd say that was worse than ours today
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Post by araucaria on Apr 13, 2024 19:42:56 GMT 1
I've just screen recorded that and watched it at .25 speed and it is never a penalty. His arm naturally comes out as he slides but when the ball hits the arm it's actually back against his body. She's guessed and gone with the shouts. At that point in the game, 5 minutes over the 5 added on, surely she wasn't 100% sure. Common sense says give Huddersfield the benefit as Bristol had fuck all to play for and wouldn't have even moaned about it. Crystal Palace received that benefit of the doubt to send us to League One last time. |
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Post by CowshedJack on Apr 13, 2024 19:45:03 GMT 1
Are you really all for equality? Yes. But with that pure incompetent she isn't really showing that women can officiate at this level. Whether we as fans like it or not, it is now a business. That decision could cost people millions of pounds. It could cost people their jobs. Not to mention the paying fans their today. Regardless of gender, if it has been a male ref, my feelings would be the same. I don’t know if saying a sexist insult because the referee made a bad decision can be “all for equality”. If it was a referee of a different race, would it be okay for a racial slur? |
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Post by willo on Apr 13, 2024 19:45:59 GMT 1
All I’ll say is she’s reffed us twice since the turn of the year and I’ve watched both games. V Hull City, she fell for all their play acting and time wasting from 20 minutes into the game and never recovered. Today, she gave a very controversial penalty with seconds to go that was plain and simply NEVER a penalty from an angle that she definitely could not see clearly from. The added on time I will be more lenient on as I thought we were guilty of some time wasting. But she’s reffed us twice and been poor on both occasions. For parity, we have had plenty of men reffing us this season who have been equally poor - some worse - but that doesn’t detract from the fact that in both her games, she has been overall very poor.
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Post by CowshedJack on Apr 13, 2024 19:46:05 GMT 1
Are you really all for equality? Yes. But with that pure incompetent she isn't really showing that women can officiate at this level. Whether we as fans like it or not, it is now a business. That decision could cost people millions of pounds. It could cost people their jobs. Not to mention the paying fans their today. Regardless of gender, if it has been a male ref, my feelings would be the same. Let me know where you work mate, and when you had a bad day at the office, I’ll come and hurl insults at you. After all, it’s a business! |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 13, 2024 19:46:39 GMT 1
I have to chuckle Pete. You often chastise people on here for their perceived negativity buy you are also prepared to take a wholly misogynistic opinion of a poor refereeing decision by a referee. Hardly consistent with someone who purports to the positive is it? It may well be a shocking refereeing performance but the gender is irrelevant. Competence is the issue here. What are you talking about? Maybe I should have said it or they or them or whatever? Scraping the barrel to have a dig. I remain positive. We are staying up You are perfectly aware what I'm talking about. You portray yourself as a reasonable and balanced chap but seems to be a bit incongruous in the face of your rant. A bad referee is a bad referee but their gender is irrelevant. How they identify is also neither here or there. Your credibility as the man of balance is blown out of the water. Think on the next time you adopt a holier than thou approach to disagreeing with folk. I'm not having a dig, I'm calling out bigoted nonsense. And I'm scraping a barrel? I think not. |
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Post by CowshedJack on Apr 13, 2024 19:47:28 GMT 1
Two Sunderland fans shouted abouse @ her and got arrested ! you have to be carefull nowadays ,saying that how could she see through Turtons body ? I do think she is shit but you don’t see many threads popping up on he purely based off a referee despite how many of them have done us over This. |
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Post by nnnlove on Apr 13, 2024 19:48:08 GMT 1
Been saying it for a while - some absolute neanderthals amongst the fanbase.
Showing their true colours this evening.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Apr 13, 2024 19:51:23 GMT 1
I cannot believe some of the narrative on here. As I posted before let's focus on the two key decisions: 1 - Was the additional time added correctly applied? 2 - Was the penalty consistent with the handball guidelines? If both are questionable then that's the debate not the gender of the referee. There is absolutely no reason why a woman can't be a top quality referee. Equally there is no reason why a woman isn't likely to make poor decisions. Don't tell me that men aren't any less likely to make lousy calls. History however tells us that irrespective if it was Rebecca Welch, Pierluigini Colina or Mickey Mouse refereeing we can be pretty much sure bugger all will be done if this is poor refereeing. The best thing we can do is use the negative energy as something to give us energy in these last 3 games. A male referee has never given all those free kicks she gave today for slips and falls with ZERO contact. That is a fact. She is worse than any male referee I have seen. She shouldn't be in the job. Let men referee men and women referee women. Call me bigoted but the majority of football fans agree. Even our lass agrees! |
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 13, 2024 19:52:21 GMT 1
The main thing that has made her different to other ahite refs this season is that she has been shite over the course of the 90 minutes in 2 matches and the fact that this has been the shitest ref decision against us all season as it includes 2 major errors with the decision to give a penalty and extending the game long past when it should've ended
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 19:54:26 GMT 1
If you think its shameful then that's fair enough. But just to get the facts straight (as you obvious have access to DATM inside information, which does concern me. What percentage of people who are critising her are men and what percentage are women. Oh come on, do you really think many of the sexist posts were from women? Really? |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 13, 2024 19:55:11 GMT 1
What are you talking about? Maybe I should have said it or they or them or whatever? Scraping the barrel to have a dig. I remain positive. We are staying up You are perfectly aware what I'm talking about. You portray yourself as a reasonable and balanced chap but seems to be a bit incongruous in the face of your rant. A bad referee is a bad referee but their gender is irrelevant. How they identify is also neither here or there. Your credibility as the man of balance is blown out of the water. Think on the next time you adopt a holier than thou approach to disagreeing with folk. I'm not having a dig, I'm calling out bigoted nonsense. And I'm scraping a barrel? I think not. You are so desperate to put me down aren't you? I correctly referred to her twice as 'she'. It was absolutely credible. SHE was a homer |
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Post by Niggled on Apr 13, 2024 20:04:37 GMT 1
If you think its shameful then that's fair enough. But just to get the facts straight (as you obvious have access to DATM inside information, which does concern me. What percentage of people who are critising her are men and what percentage are women. Oh come on, do you really think many of the sexist posts were from women? Really? I don't know. Do you know ?. Or are you making an assumption. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 13, 2024 20:05:45 GMT 1
The absolute irony on this board.
A few years ago, someone very close to me was accused of being sexist towards a Town supporter at an away match, with his face plastered all over social media. DATM was in outrage, "ban him", "lock him up and throw away the key", "let's see how hard he is", "Him and his son need to be put down" (haven't forgotten that one, Sheriff), encouraging open season on him.
Three years later, some of the very same people have just demonstrated much worse and some incredibly offensive language towards a female today. But that's all fine.
Hypocrites.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 20:06:57 GMT 1
Her gender isn’t totally irrelevant though, is it? I think a lot of the anger here is based on the fact that she’s reffing at this level purely because she is a woman and not because of her ability to referee. I suppose it’s highly debatable if she’s at Championship standard or not, I mean, they all seem pretty useless to me. "She qualified as an official through the Durham County FA and began refereeing in university football and in Sunday leagues in Sunderland. She began her refereeing career in 2010, combining the role with an administrative job in the NHS, before going full-time in 2019. Welch has regularly appeared in the Women’s Super League and officiated three games at the Women’s World Cup in Australia and New Zealand this summer, after being selected in Uefa’s elite referees list." She has been a ref for 14 years at different levels and she has refereed at a decent level before this. I have no idea if this is quicker than most blokes go through the ranks or if she is seen as having the ability to move up the ranks quickly. You do wonder if her moving up to the level she has refereed at does tick some boxes but she is not a novice. The issue is she added on more time than most refs would have and how she saw that as handball is beyond me, although Turton just shrugged and didn't complain so maybe he knew he had handled it. The sexism which many posters are quick to jump at is awful, her gender is not the issue. As has been said we have had worse male refs but this is a particularly hard decision for us at this time. It really hurts that her time addition and her penalty decision, both hers alone, have cost us 2 points we could not afford to lose. That is the issue I have with her performance today. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 20:10:42 GMT 1
Oh come on, do you really think many of the sexist posts were from women? Really? I don't know. Do you know ?. Or are you making an assumption. I know at least as many women as I do men and I know who from those would be most likely to have a sexist rant on social media. I am not saying all the posts were male but I think you are being deliberately disingenuous saying those were not mostly men. |
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Post by griffa on Apr 13, 2024 20:13:27 GMT 1
Just had a squizz through Twitter and this forum. Fuck me. Are men really so insecure that they have to dish out such horrendous, misogynistic hatred towards today’s ref? We’ve had shite refs for my 40 years of being a Town fan. The only thing different today is the genitals in this ref’s shorts. If this is how we’re gonna lose, let’s just get fucking relegated. It’s shameful to be a part of. Not about Genitals, it's about competence, of the Referee & EFL, the same muppets how appointed Jonathan Moss, to referee the Playoff Final - UTT. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 20:15:12 GMT 1
She is from Tyne and Wear, why on earth would she be 'an avid Leeds United fan'? I think that is just social media bollocks. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 13, 2024 20:15:58 GMT 1
Her gender isn’t totally irrelevant though, is it? I think a lot of the anger here is based on the fact that she’s reffing at this level purely because she is a woman and not because of her ability to referee. I suppose it’s highly debatable if she’s at Championship standard or not, I mean, they all seem pretty useless to me. "She qualified as an official through the Durham County FA and began refereeing in university football and in Sunday leagues in Sunderland. She began her refereeing career in 2010, combining the role with an administrative job in the NHS, before going full-time in 2019. Welch has regularly appeared in the Women’s Super League and officiated three games at the Women’s World Cup in Australia and New Zealand this summer, after being selected in Uefa’s elite referees list." She has been a ref for 14 years at different levels and she has refereed at a decent level before this. I have no idea if this is quicker than most blokes go through the ranks or if she is seen as having the ability to move up the ranks quickly. You do wonder if her moving up to the level she has refereed at does tick some boxes but she is not a novice. The issue is she added on more time than most refs would have and how she saw that as handball is beyond me, although Turton just shrugged and didn't complain so maybe he knew he had handled it. The sexism which many posters are quick to jump at is awful, her gender is not the issue. As has been said we have had worse male refs but this is a particularly hard decision for us at this time. It really hurts that her time addition and her penalty decision, both hers alone, have cost us 2 points we could not afford to lose. That is the issue I have with her performance today. A well reasoned argument. Certainly leagues above the ‘get back in the kitchen’ that Rockwall posted earlier (and subsequently deleted). |
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Post by royrace on Apr 13, 2024 20:17:54 GMT 1
Just had a squizz through Twitter and this forum. Fuck me. Are men really so insecure that they have to dish out such horrendous, misogynistic hatred towards today’s ref? We’ve had shite refs for my 40 years of being a Town fan. The only thing different today is the genitals in this ref’s shorts. If this is how we’re gonna lose, let’s just get fucking relegated. It’s shameful to be a part of. Oh grow a pair you massive fanny. Christ, people are angry, understandably so, let them vent FFS. What's shameful is people like you getting your knickers in a twist because some schoolboys on twitter have used some sexist language. |
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Post by Mav on Apr 13, 2024 20:19:10 GMT 1
"She qualified as an official through the Durham County FA and began refereeing in university football and in Sunday leagues in Sunderland. She began her refereeing career in 2010, combining the role with an administrative job in the NHS, before going full-time in 2019. Welch has regularly appeared in the Women’s Super League and officiated three games at the Women’s World Cup in Australia and New Zealand this summer, after being selected in Uefa’s elite referees list." She has been a ref for 14 years at different levels and she has refereed at a decent level before this. I have no idea if this is quicker than most blokes go through the ranks or if she is seen as having the ability to move up the ranks quickly. You do wonder if her moving up to the level she has refereed at does tick some boxes but she is not a novice. The issue is she added on more time than most refs would have and how she saw that as handball is beyond me, although Turton just shrugged and didn't complain so maybe he knew he had handled it. The sexism which many posters are quick to jump at is awful, her gender is not the issue. As has been said we have had worse male refs but this is a particularly hard decision for us at this time. It really hurts that her time addition and her penalty decision, both hers alone, have cost us 2 points we could not afford to lose. That is the issue I have with her performance today. A well reasoned argument. Certainly leagues above the ‘get back in the kitchen’ that Rockwall posted earlier (and subsequently deleted). She is a shockingly bad referee. Most are. She was particularly bad today. End of. |
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