Was it a pen?

[alex]

I sent the clip to a mate of mine who is an Everton fan. With caption 'what happen next?' His reply, dunno, did a streaker run on? He thought I was joking when i told him it was a Plenty (sic) I like the Darren Moore version.

So putting away all Town Bias, and ego, who on God's green earth thinks that was a penalty?

[isitjustme]

Really can't tell from Sky footage that I have seen. Too far away to see properly. I do have poor eye sight to be fair.....!!!

[The Sheriff Strikes Back]

I think the bigger question here is, what is the point in this thread?

[alex]

Apr 14, 2024 10:47:56 GMT 1 The Sheriff Strikes Back said:

I think the bigger question here is, what is the point in this thread?

Part of my master plan to get you in bed with me.

[oneneilwarnock]

Definitely wasn’t a pen, but then it was handball for Hulls goal against Birmingham, it was handball on the line for West Brom against qpr. It’s happened to multiple clubs around us this season and isn’t the reason we are going down.

[impact]

Apr 14, 2024 10:50:52 GMT 1 oneneilwarnock said:

Definitely wasn’t a pen, but then it was handball for Hulls goal against Birmingham, it was handball on the line for West Brom against qpr. It’s happened to multiple clubs around us this season and isn’t the reason we are going down.

We've had 4 penalties not given for clear handballs, 3 were in games we either drew or lost by 1 goal.

We've had 2 penalties not been given for clear fouls and we ended up being booked. We drew both of those games.

Boro and Preston had nothing penalties given against us, this handball, the Sunderland and Blackburn horror tackles that escaped with yellows, WBA offside, Swansea foul not given in injury time that leads to their equaliser, the Wednesday keeper being given a foul in injury time for nothing with ruled out our winner.

The decisions against us this year have frankly been disgusting. If anyone can get hold of the clips, put them together and get them viral before our last games. Put pressure on the refs to try and start evening some of this shit out.

[colnevalleyblue]

Has Rebecca Welch voted?

[sabailand]

No, blasted at him from close range and Turton knew nowt about it, wasnt evn facing the ball, terrible decision.

[townatheart]

Apr 14, 2024 11:16:11 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Has Rebecca Welch voted?

Are women allowed to vote😋😜

[softboy]

It wasn’t. But after watching it over and over again it is now my view that the Bristol player who ran up to her waving his hands in her face influenced her. She gave it so quick, didn’t even give herself time to think.

[drewden]

It feels like Moss is ringing the refs before games, this does not come close to law of averages, really getting pissed off with football with the clowns in control.

Would V.A.R have given it, what this means is would the ref not given it if she knew it would go to V.A.R.

[rocky]

Literally no one, unless they have an anti Town agenda are going to say that was a pen.

Given the circumstances yesterday, the award of that penalty yesterday was as bad as you're ever going to see.

[ldr]

Apr 14, 2024 11:35:40 GMT 1 softboy said:

It wasn’t. But after watching it over and over again it is now my view that the Bristol player who ran up to her waving his hands in her face influenced her. She gave it so quick, didn’t even give herself time to think.

In the two matches that she has reffed us this season, I think that this has been her fundamental problem. She allowed the Hull coach into her head at our place and their players milked this weakness for all it was worth. She allowed them to turn it into a prime example of shithousery.

Similarly, a lot of the BC lads started to ref the game for her, especially as the game went on, culminating in a terrible decision.

So, whilst the ref is culpable for the horrendous decision, maybe football needs to look at itself in how we allow players to conduct themselves on the pitch alongside how we allow coaches to act on the sidelines. All clubs do it even our own and it is a blight on the game imo.

The much used example of rugby union is apt.

[specialun]

Should be sacked it’s that bad a decision.

I’m struggling to find how a ref could make that bad a call

[waggers]

Apr 14, 2024 11:59:46 GMT 1 ldr said:

Apr 14, 2024 11:35:40 GMT 1 softboy said:

It wasn’t. But after watching it over and over again it is now my view that the Bristol player who ran up to her waving his hands in her face influenced her. She gave it so quick, didn’t even give herself time to think.

In the two matches that she has reffed us this season, I think that this has been her fundamental problem. She allowed the Hull coach into her head at our place and their players milked this weakness for all it was worth. She allowed them to turn it into a prime example of shithousery.

Similarly, a lot of the BC lads started to ref the game for her, especially as the game went on, culminating in a terrible decision.

So, whilst the ref is culpable for the horrendous decision, maybe football needs to look at itself in how we allow players to conduct themselves on the pitch alongside how we allow coaches to act on the sidelines. All clubs do it even our own and it is a blight on the game imo.

The much used example of rugby union is apt.

Yeah tend to agree, she's very easily influenced. We obviously can't say for certain that is what made her give the pen but you make a convincing point.

It would be great to have footballers not rant and rave at refs, but footballers are overpaid self entitled babies. The rugby lads have a lot more respect and self discipline and know to play the game and accept a decision.

I don't think we'll win the next 2, but my plan would be to use this bullshit decision to build a short term siege mentality. Don't let this bullshit be the final straw that sends us down (I know we've pressed the self destruction button ourselves months ago). If we go down let's at least go down swinging.

[utttrooper]

Apr 14, 2024 11:14:15 GMT 1 impact said:

Apr 14, 2024 10:50:52 GMT 1 oneneilwarnock said:

Definitely wasn’t a pen, but then it was handball for Hulls goal against Birmingham, it was handball on the line for West Brom against qpr. It’s happened to multiple clubs around us this season and isn’t the reason we are going down.

We've had 4 penalties not given for clear handballs, 3 were in games we either drew or lost by 1 goal.

We've had 2 penalties not been given for clear fouls and we ended up being booked. We drew both of those games.

Boro and Preston had nothing penalties given against us, this handball, the Sunderland and Blackburn horror tackles that escaped with yellows, WBA offside, Swansea foul not given in injury time that leads to their equaliser, the Wednesday keeper being given a foul in injury time for nothing with ruled out our winner.

The decisions against us this year have frankly been disgusting. If anyone can get hold of the clips, put them together and get them viral before our last games. Put pressure on the refs to try and start evening some of this shit out.

There was also the pen not given for us in the reverse fixture which was a clearer handball than the one given yesterday. All We've had in return is the foul not given in the build up to our goal against Plymouth at home. In total bad ref decisions has cost us 12 points and won us 1 presuming we score the pens, get a draw against Preston because they don't catch us on the counter like they did for the last 2 goals if its 1-1 because we wouldn't have been chasing the game and that if we lost to Plymouth it wouldn't have made Moore's sacking any earlier.

[brighousebandbred]

The issue is the ref was fast tracked to show they are doing their bit to promote equality , it’s an issue in life which makes folk long to get out of the rat race of current employment. The reason this ref was in the championship is the real problem and it will only get worse.
Put the best folk into employment positions not someone who isn’t ready or isn’t capable just because they are a minority. I feel for the youth especially the majority they have a lifetime of dealing with this bullshit world.

[nicovaesen]

Apr 14, 2024 12:05:10 GMT 1 specialun said:

Should be sacked it’s that bad a decision.

I’m struggling to find how a ref could make that bad a call

It’s how she didn’t even hesitate she was 100% convinced that was a penalty like the two yellows in the first half not a talking to just straight in her book for nothing challenges.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Apr 14, 2024 11:59:46 GMT 1 ldr said:

Apr 14, 2024 11:35:40 GMT 1 softboy said:

It wasn’t. But after watching it over and over again it is now my view that the Bristol player who ran up to her waving his hands in her face influenced her. She gave it so quick, didn’t even give herself time to think.

In the two matches that she has reffed us this season, I think that this has been her fundamental problem. She allowed the Hull coach into her head at our place and their players milked this weakness for all it was worth. She allowed them to turn it into a prime example of shithousery.

Similarly, a lot of the BC lads started to ref the game for her, especially as the game went on, culminating in a terrible decision.

So, whilst the ref is culpable for the horrendous decision, maybe football needs to look at itself in how we allow players to conduct themselves on the pitch alongside how we allow coaches to act on the sidelines. All clubs do it even our own and it is a blight on the game imo.

The much used example of rugby union is apt.

Of all the posts I’ve read on this subject this is the one that I feel correctly identifies the problem.
The fact that this is a female referee is immaterial in my mind as this could happen also to an inexperienced male referee.
From my seat at the Hull game I could see that Rosenior was using the inexperience of the Ref as a tactic.
Constantly instructing his players to fall down whilst putting the 4th official under intense pressure.
I can’t ever remember hearing such a loud chorus of booing of an official as I did at the end of the 1st half at that game.
It is a cynical ploy by some coaches to influence the outcome of a game and whilst not against the rules it’s certainly against the spirit of the game.

[brighousebandbred]

Keep putting refs like her into high level positions , folk will stop attending. I’ve not left a game of football as agitated ever as I was yesterday, I was fuming. I’ve woken up this morning still spitting feathers . If that sort of performance was the norm on a Saturday afternoon I’m sorry but my love of HTFC would be at the detriment of my health I would need to walk away.
Get rid of her not even close to being a proper referee at this level. YOUR SIMPLY RUBBISH AT YOUR JOB NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BEING FEMALE.

[Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier]

Where on earth did all that injury added time come from as surely the game should have finished long before the 100th minute 

[sabailand]

Apr 14, 2024 12:25:49 GMT 1 brighousebandbred said:

Keep putting refs like her into high level positions , folk will stop attending. I’ve not left a game of football as agitated ever as I was yesterday, I was fuming. I’ve woken up this morning still spitting feathers . If that sort of performance was the norm on a Saturday afternoon I’m sorry but my love of HTFC would be at the detriment of my health I would need to walk away.
Get rid of her not even close to being a proper referee at this level. YOUR SIMPLY RUBBISH AT YOUR JOB NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BEING FEMALE.

Yep just cos shes female certainly shouldnt sheild her from harsh criticism, we've had plenty of crap male refs its just that yesterdays happened to be female, while on the subject we've had a female lino with a pony tail a few times at town (cant remember her name) shes been good every time i've seen her, puts many of her male counterparts to shame.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Apr 14, 2024 13:11:54 GMT 1 sabailand said:

Apr 14, 2024 12:25:49 GMT 1 brighousebandbred said:

Keep putting refs like her into high level positions , folk will stop attending. I’ve not left a game of football as agitated ever as I was yesterday, I was fuming. I’ve woken up this morning still spitting feathers . If that sort of performance was the norm on a Saturday afternoon I’m sorry but my love of HTFC would be at the detriment of my health I would need to walk away.
Get rid of her not even close to being a proper referee at this level. YOUR SIMPLY RUBBISH AT YOUR JOB NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BEING FEMALE.

Yep just cos shes female certainly shouldnt sheild her from harsh criticism, we've had plenty of crap male refs its just that yesterdays happened to be female, while on the subject we've had a female lino with a pony tail a few times at town (cant remember her name) shes been good every time i've seen her, puts many of her male counterparts to shame.

Yes that’s a great point.
In fact I’d say that female lino is the best we have had this season.

[ilsonterrier]

One of my mates supports Scunthorpe and has lamented long and hard this season about the quality of the refs they have seen. He has also refereed at National League level and lined at UEFA level. I asked him about this challenge and he couldn't believe it was given as a penalty.

[stevvy]

Apr 14, 2024 13:29:49 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Apr 14, 2024 13:11:54 GMT 1 sabailand said:

Yep just cos shes female certainly shouldnt sheild her from harsh criticism, we've had plenty of crap male refs its just that yesterdays happened to be female, while on the subject we've had a female lino with a pony tail a few times at town (cant remember her name) shes been good every time i've seen her, puts many of her male counterparts to shame.

Yes that’s a great point.
In fact I’d say that female lino is the best we have had this season.

Same with Sian Massey-Ellis I think it is, been in the PL for a long while, and generally always been very good, pretty sure she's ran the line at European or international level too.

The quality of officiating this season has been shit though, male or female. Even when we've won, it's generally been shit, so it's not like it's a case of "we won, the ref was great" and "we lost, the ref was shit", the officiating has generally been shit regardless, and not just for us either (a few examples given in the Championship this season have been mentioned by others, including in the last week)

[utttrooper]

Apr 14, 2024 14:10:48 GMT 1 stevvy said:

Apr 14, 2024 13:29:49 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Yes that’s a great point.
In fact I’d say that female lino is the best we have had this season.

Same with Sian Massey-Ellis I think it is, been in the PL for a long while, and generally always been very good, pretty sure she's ran the line at European or international level too.

The quality of officiating this season has been shit though, male or female. Even when we've won, it's generally been shit, so it's not like it's a case of "we won, the ref was great" and "we lost, the ref was shit", the officiating has generally been shit regardless, and not just for us either (a few examples given in the Championship this season have been mentioned by others, including in the last week)

Plenty of shit decisions have cost us this season but this was the worst because she fucked up twice because she should've finished the game earlier and it wasn't a pen. It's also that it was at the end of the game and we had no time to turn it around and this has completely changed the result because say it was half time we'd have had a full half to change it around and like most ref decisions that have cost us we still have time to change things but here we didn't.

[tepidterrier]

If the boot was on the other foot and we didn't get given it, I'd have appealed at the time but not felt aggrieved.

It was like the one Man United got given yesterday a bit, soft as shit and makes a mockery of what the handball law's purpose is. But depressingly seen them given a few times.

[ilsonterrier]

Keith Hackett thinks it's an appalling decision - even given the ridiculous hand ball rules that we now play

[galpharm2400]

Had we been 2 0 up, it might have passed without much comment???
Me, personally, would have preffered us to be up the pitch fucking about seeing it out???

[gledholt terrier]

Apr 14, 2024 15:09:14 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

Had we been 2 0 up, it might have passed without much comment???
Me, personally, would have preffered us to be up the pitch fucking about seeing it out???

We had the opportunity to do that but Sorba took a bizarre free kick out for a dead. For all the injustice of yesterday, this team hasn’t got a clue about game management.