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Post by TomTheTerrier on Apr 20, 2024 17:57:38 GMT 1
Steep learning curve for Kev and he must be wondering what he let himself in for.
That said, his intentions are right and he’s invested. Hopefully for his sake and ours things start going his way next season.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 20, 2024 17:58:32 GMT 1
wanker , he can fook orf... Grow up. |
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Post by terryya on Apr 20, 2024 17:58:40 GMT 1
To be fair, I think he's had the right intentions and ideas just executed them poorly.
He realised he didn't have the required knowledge to run an English football club, so put somebody else in that position. Unfortunately, the person he put in that position has done a shit job.
He's then leaned on them in regards to manager hiring and firing which has been an absolute shit show.
He's invested a decent amount in the team. The fact it hasn't worked out isn't down to him.
Hiring AB looked a very good decision at the time even though it's starting to look like a disaster.
The main problem he's got is that, with the state the club was in, he couldn't afford to make mistakes. As a result he's going to become the owner of the L1 club he probably thought he was buying
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 20, 2024 17:59:42 GMT 1
It's not gone well so far, but he can't be solely blamed for this, it was always going to take more than one season to turn around the shitshow he'd walked in to, but it would have been nice to stay up while he was doing it. He's been taught a very hard lesson this season, all we can hope is that he's been paying attention and has learned. A good way of showing this would be sacking Cartwright and Edwards at the earliest opportunity. If he wants the fans back on side then he needs to start by sacking the gutless, useless, inept, passionless, pathetic players. Hand them their P45’s tomorrow morning and tell them to fuck off. They are all shit. Yeah great suggestion, coz sacking players is something you can do. |
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Post by jjamez on Apr 20, 2024 18:03:11 GMT 1
I don't think we can fully blame Nagel, he's the money man, we blame the people like Edwards and Cartwright who've wasted the money on nondescript shite.
We blame those two for sacking Warnock and replacing with an absolute clown in Moore. We blame those two for waiting too long to sack said clown and replace with a man who has no idea of the situation he's let himself in for, impressive CV but his style of football isn't suited to these players, that's on Cartwright for thinking these players could suddenly change overnight. Now, I've seen nothing of the attacking football of Moore, as mentioned by the powers that be, I've not seen anything of a style from breitenreiter, but these players just can't do it, three of our defenders can't pass water, our midfield runs a lot but has zero creative talent. It feels like weve recruited there based on running stats rather than looking at the player themselves and how they actually play. It's all data, data, data.
Let's not kid ourselves Pearson, lees and Hogg didn't do it under corberan, they had O'Brien colwill and toffolo who had the ability helping them.
After we've finished blaming Coco and Krusty the clowns, then we look at those gutless, spineless so called footballers that go out onto that pitch. I'm all in favour for sacking the lot of them off and rebuilding from scratch. In most seasons, even the dreadful premier league season, there's been one or two players that I've felt some sort of affinity towards, ie moody, Schindler, this group, I couldn't care less about them and they couldn't care less about us or the club, as long as a wage comes in. They aren't professionals, the likes of burgzorg should never wear the shirt again.
If we want a blame league.
1- Edwards/Cartwright
2- the players
3- bore Moore
4- breitenreiter
5- Nagel
6- previous owners
7- Warnock
8- dodgy officials
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 20, 2024 18:03:20 GMT 1
And we needed Warnock why exactly? Are you on medication?? Oh dear, not the sharpest are you. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 20, 2024 18:04:34 GMT 1
I don't think we can fully blame Nagel, he's the money man, we blame the people like Edwards and Cartwright who've wasted the money on nondescript shite. We blame those two for sacking Warnock and replacing with an absolute clown in Moore. We blame those two for waiting too long to sack said clown and replace with a man who has no idea of the situation he's let himself in for, impressive CV but his style of football isn't suited to these players, that's on Cartwright for thinking these players could suddenly change overnight. Now, I've seen nothing of the attacking football of Moore, as mentioned by the powers that be, I've not seen anything of a style from breitenreiter, but these players just can't do it, three of our defenders can't pass water, our midfield runs a lot but has zero creative talent. It feels like weve recruited there based on running stats rather than looking at the player themselves and how they actually play. It's all data, data, data. Let's not kid ourselves Pearson, lees and Hogg didn't do it under corberan, they had O'Brien colwill and toffolo who had the ability helping them. After we've finished blaming Coco and Krusty the clowns, then we look at those gutless, spineless so called footballers that go out onto that pitch. I'm all in favour for sacking the lot of them off and rebuilding from scratch. In most seasons, even the dreadful premier league season, there's been one or two players that I've felt some sort of affinity towards, ie moody, Schindler, this group, I couldn't care less about them and they couldn't care less about us or the club, as long as a wage comes in. They aren't professionals, the likes of burgzorg should never wear the shirt again. If we want a blame league. 1- Edwards/Cartwright 2- the players 3- bore Moore 4- breitenreiter 5- Nagel 6- previous owners 7- Warnock 8- dodgy officials Nagle, it's Nagle. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 20, 2024 18:08:43 GMT 1
He's clueless, he's proved that all across the season, but for some reason everyone wants to blame everyone but him. I'll await Pete to come on and tell us all how we're in good hands.
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Post by terryya on Apr 20, 2024 18:09:34 GMT 1
I don't think we can fully blame Nagel, he's the money man, we blame the people like Edwards and Cartwright who've wasted the money on nondescript shite. We blame those two for sacking Warnock and replacing with an absolute clown in Moore. We blame those two for waiting too long to sack said clown and replace with a man who has no idea of the situation he's let himself in for, impressive CV but his style of football isn't suited to these players, that's on Cartwright for thinking these players could suddenly change overnight. Now, I've seen nothing of the attacking football of Moore, as mentioned by the powers that be, I've not seen anything of a style from breitenreiter, but these players just can't do it, three of our defenders can't pass water, our midfield runs a lot but has zero creative talent. It feels like weve recruited there based on running stats rather than looking at the player themselves and how they actually play. It's all data, data, data. Let's not kid ourselves Pearson, lees and Hogg didn't do it under corberan, they had O'Brien colwill and toffolo who had the ability helping them. After we've finished blaming Coco and Krusty the clowns, then we look at those gutless, spineless so called footballers that go out onto that pitch. I'm all in favour for sacking the lot of them off and rebuilding from scratch. In most seasons, even the dreadful premier league season, there's been one or two players that I've felt some sort of affinity towards, ie moody, Schindler, this group, I couldn't care less about them and they couldn't care less about us or the club, as long as a wage comes in. They aren't professionals, the likes of burgzorg should never wear the shirt again. If we want a blame league. 1- Edwards/Cartwright 2- the players 3- bore Moore 4- breitenreiter 5- Nagel 6- previous owners 7- Warnock 8- dodgy officials Nagle, it's Nagle. No, I think they're right with Edwards/Cartwright at the top of the list! 😂 |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 20, 2024 18:11:36 GMT 1
Nagle was sold a pup.
The club had been absolutely hollowed out by Hoyle. The squad was horrendous, Canalside had been pocketed, stadium talks cancelled, everything worth anything sold.
Hoyle must have pissed his pants when Baldwin snared Nagle and suckered him in.
Nagle’s biggest mistake was buying us when no one else would touch us with a barge pole. He then hired 2 chumps who couldn’t run a bath to run the club for him.
I genuinely feel sorry for the guy, it’s like collectively they’ve identified a rich old guy and set about milking him dry.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Apr 20, 2024 18:12:20 GMT 1
Hes a good man with good intentions and enthusiasm but we came in under cooked this season. The fans saw it coming, our squad is poor.
To be fair to Nagle he put his money where his mouth was in January but its a very difficult and expensive market and none of the signings have had the impact we really needed.
Its a steep learning curve!
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Post by stevvy on Apr 20, 2024 18:13:02 GMT 1
Nagle isn't the issue. The issue is the players we had last season weren't good enough, and we've had more or less the same players this season, but with less of them, so it's not a great shock to be where we are
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 20, 2024 18:22:14 GMT 1
The issues were brought about by Hoyle , feel KN had been given a shit show and unfortunately hasn’t made a great start to his reign , just hope he’s got the bollocks to keep going and right the wrongs of the so called town fan who left us in a shit state.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Apr 20, 2024 18:24:59 GMT 1
Might as well announce season tickets at 250 now. It doesn't really matter what division we are in.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 20, 2024 18:26:44 GMT 1
First season at the helm has been nothing but an absolute disaster. Bad appointments, bad decisions, bad transfers. Just a bloke who talks the talk but has little substance to back it up. His old mate Dave said he had never seen him fail? This is worse than failure Dave it’s pathetically embarrassing. Cartwright and Edwards should be gone tonight and if he wants to sell the club to somebody who has a smidge of an idea how to run an English football club that might be good too. Disaster starting with Warnock using the budget on Ruffels, Ward and Koroma.... Disaster that Warnock was unprofessional and the club were left in no choice but to get rid of him. If Warnock hadn't been a dick behind the scenes, we wouldn't have got rid and we would have had a great season. I blame Warnock. Half of that is tongue in cheek - but it's not at stupid as the opening to this thread. Nagle has thrown millions at it already. If we go down, I'm sure he will spend what is necessary for us to bounce back up. |
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Post by terrierforever on Apr 20, 2024 18:26:53 GMT 1
I'm not even angry or shocked, this has been coming for 3 seasons at least. You can't keep asking for miracles.
Dean is as much to blame as Nagle. The difference is we know Kev will put someone money in. Where he falls down is his knowledge of the game. Cartwright is woeful at his job and needs sacking.
AB has got plenty wrong in his stint in charge so far. However in all honesty what's he got to work with when Burgzorg can't pass a ball. Koroma can't shoot and no one in midfield can create anything.
Listening to AB afterwards I even don't think he'll be here next season.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 20, 2024 18:27:28 GMT 1
I'm not even angry or shocked, this has been coming for 3 seasons at least. You can't keep asking for miracles. Dean is as much to blame as Nagle. The difference is we know Kev will put someone money in. Where he falls down is his knowledge of the game. Cartwright is woeful at his job and needs sacking. AB has got plenty wrong in his stint in charge so far. However in all honesty what's he got to work with when Burgzorg can't pass a ball. Koroma can't shoot and no one in midfield can create anything. Listening to AB afterwards I even don't think he'll be here next season. So is Hodgkinson. I think people have forgotten that he was also the owner. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 20, 2024 18:28:17 GMT 1
First season at the helm has been nothing but an absolute disaster. Bad appointments, bad decisions, bad transfers. Just a bloke who talks the talk but has little substance to back it up. His old mate Dave said he had never seen him fail? This is worse than failure Dave it’s pathetically embarrassing. Cartwright and Edwards should be gone tonight and if he wants to sell the club to somebody who has a smidge of an idea how to run an English football club that might be good too. Disaster starting with Warnock using the budget on Ruffels, Ward and Koroma.... Disaster that Warnock was unprofessional and the club were left in no choice but to get rid of him. If Warnock hadn't been a dick behind the scenes, we wouldn't have got rid and we would have had a great season. I blame Warnock. Half of that is tongue in cheek - but it's not at stupid as the opening to this thread. Nagle has thrown millions at it already. If we go down, I'm sure he will spend what is necessary for us to bounce back up. In your eyes, does Nagle not take ANY blame whatsoever? |
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Post by Ladaphosen on Apr 20, 2024 18:28:38 GMT 1
If Nagle is being rated, after putting in millions, what about rating the fans? Moan about every referee, every goal conceded, the club being in a mess, yet nobody says that we played a part. Using the clowns in Devon as an example but nit exclusively, pays nowt to the club all season, looking for free streams instead of Ifolliw, then complain about the standard of football. We all have a part to play in this poor scenario. Least of all Nagle, who has put more money in the club than the combined membership of DATM Massive weirdo you |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 20, 2024 18:30:20 GMT 1
Best of intentions but came in knowing nothing about the English game, extremely naive but how anyone can blame him for our predicament is ridiculous, other people at the club should take most of the flack, hes put money up for signings but its not his fault they largely haven't delivered.
The Warnock thing is Kevin Nagle being inexperienced and Warnock being well...Warnock, an extremely difficult man to manage at the best of times.
He came in for us when nobody seemed interested, what was the alternative.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 20, 2024 18:31:51 GMT 1
Disaster starting with Warnock using the budget on Ruffels, Ward and Koroma.... Disaster that Warnock was unprofessional and the club were left in no choice but to get rid of him. If Warnock hadn't been a dick behind the scenes, we wouldn't have got rid and we would have had a great season. I blame Warnock. Half of that is tongue in cheek - but it's not at stupid as the opening to this thread. Nagle has thrown millions at it already. If we go down, I'm sure he will spend what is necessary for us to bounce back up. In your eyes, does Nagle not take ANY blame whatsoever? If he doesn't get rid of Edwards and Cartwright at the end of the season, then it would be a huge mistake. They haven't worked, I think he gave them January to show what they could do and they have failed. I'm still saving judgement on Nagle until after his 1st proper summer as owner where things that have gone wrong in the previous season are his mistakes to rectify, not somebody else's. |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 20, 2024 18:32:34 GMT 1
I'm not even angry or shocked, this has been coming for 3 seasons at least. You can't keep asking for miracles. Dean is as much to blame as Nagle. The difference is we know Kev will put someone money in. Where he falls down is his knowledge of the game. Cartwright is woeful at his job and needs sacking. AB has got plenty wrong in his stint in charge so far. However in all honesty what's he got to work with when Burgzorg wont pass a ball. Koroma can't shoot and no one in midfield can create anything. Listening to AB afterwards I even don't think he'll be here next season. Slight amendment there terrierforever. |
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Post by Metch on Apr 20, 2024 18:33:40 GMT 1
Alot of nonsense being written on here, ultimately the buck stops with Kev, just as it did with Dean. Many things don't go right at a club but dismissing Warnock will be the reason we get relegated. A classic case of shooting yourself in the foot.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 20, 2024 18:33:45 GMT 1
1/10.
He gets the 1 for somehow making the club worse than last season, which is a fucking achievement in itself.
Impressively bad.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 20, 2024 18:35:32 GMT 1
In your eyes, does Nagle not take ANY blame whatsoever? If he doesn't get rid of Edwards and Cartwright at the end of the season, then it would be a huge mistake. They haven't worked, I think he gave them January to show what they could do and they have failed. I'm still saving judgement on Nagle until after his 1st proper summer as owner where things that have gone wrong in the previous season are his mistakes to rectify, not somebody else's. I don't really get what Edwards has done to get so much stick, to be honest. He's the CEO, whereas Cartwright deserves plenty of stick. I've said before that I think certain things have improved under Nagle, but sadly none of that is on the pitch and the rest of it pales into insignificance. The most important thing is what happens on a Saturday, and so far Nagle's tenure has been a shambles. I don't think he has a clue what he's let himself in for unfortunately. |
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Post by cuz on Apr 20, 2024 18:36:50 GMT 1
Alot of nonsense being written on here, ultimately the buck stops with Kev, just as it did with Dean. Many things don't go right at a club but dismissing Warnock will be the reason we get relegated. A classic case of shooting yourself in the foot. Shooting yourself in both feet, putting your gun in its holster and managing to shoot off both bollocks as he gets on his horse! |
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Post by royrace on Apr 20, 2024 18:39:13 GMT 1
Zero. Doesn't have a clue, and appointed clueless people who know even less. And then proceeded to get rid of the only people in the building with any nous in Warnock and Baldwin. His first job is replacing his DoF who's had an absolute shocker, it's all on him. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 20, 2024 18:39:49 GMT 1
Forgot to mention his embarrassing posts on Twitter. Still find it baffling that a millionaire/billionaire in his late 60s spends so much time on a pointless platform like that.
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Post by terrierforever on Apr 20, 2024 18:45:59 GMT 1
I'm not even angry or shocked, this has been coming for 3 seasons at least. You can't keep asking for miracles. Dean is as much to blame as Nagle. The difference is we know Kev will put someone money in. Where he falls down is his knowledge of the game. Cartwright is woeful at his job and needs sacking. AB has got plenty wrong in his stint in charge so far. However in all honesty what's he got to work with when Burgzorg can't pass a ball. Koroma can't shoot and no one in midfield can create anything. Listening to AB afterwards I even don't think he'll be here next season. So is Hodgkinson. I think people have forgotten that he was also the owner. You are right, I tried to block his whole period out of my mind. 🤣 |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 20, 2024 18:46:40 GMT 1
So is Hodgkinson. I think people have forgotten that he was also the owner. You are right, I tried to block his whole period out of my mind. 🤣 Doesn't get half as much stick as he should do. If Hoyle is getting the blame, then Hodgkinson gets it as well. |
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