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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 27, 2024 10:53:44 GMT 1
He’s probably got other/ better options
Then he’ll look around the room
He has players he can’t begin to relate to - no fight, no running, no heart. He’s airing his annoyance at them in public now
It needs a rebuild but personally I wouldn’t want Cartwright recommending new players. Is AB keen at that prospect
A disgruntled and shrinking fan base
A back office that can expect redundancies if we go down. I feel for them. So moral in the wider club will be shit for weeks
An owner not connected in the day to day - thousands of miles and 8 hour time difference away
A CEO who has not exactly excelled this season
Success is winning league one - hardly enhances the cv. Or he fails and he gets sacked and that does harm his cv
No games in the fixture list to really get you excited. I mean Barnsley will be the big derby and maybe Charlton or Bolton the biggest side in that league
He’s not from West Yorkshire- and let’s be honest for most there’s better places to live
I reckon it’s very likely he’ll walk
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Post by softboy on Apr 27, 2024 10:58:47 GMT 1
I bet Ipswich fans were saying the same a number of years ago when they were relegated!
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Post by Mirfield Lass on Apr 27, 2024 11:00:37 GMT 1
I can’t see him wanting to manage a team in League One. I think he’ll walk
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 27, 2024 11:06:36 GMT 1
To be fair, if he doesn't have the fight to bring a relegated team back, he isn't the right man for the job.
He must have known before he took the job that there was a distinct possibility of relegation &, once he'd been here a couple of weeks, been amazed at the lack of quality in the squad.
I reckon he'll be here next year, providing there isn't a get out clause for relegation in his contract. Whatever the circumstances, if he's not fully committed to the cause, we don't want him.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 27, 2024 11:23:32 GMT 1
To be fair, if he doesn't have the fight to bring a relegated team back, he isn't the right man for the job. He must have known before he took the job that there was a distinct possibility of relegation &, once he'd been here a couple of weeks, been amazed at the lack of quality in the squad. I reckon he'll be here next year, providing there isn't a get out clause for relegation in his contract. Whatever the circumstances, if he's not fully committed to the cause, we don't want him. Hope he stays, his latest press conference was a good one, I think he knows what’s required to get success and could rebuild us. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 27, 2024 11:45:26 GMT 1
Despite his decent record, many of the players that played under Tom Johnston would suggest he was a duff manager. Never heard a good word about him aside from Ian Holmes, and I've probably spoken to at least 20 players that played under him across all three spells. I never heard a bad word about him from anyone during his first spell from 1964/65 to 1968/69, when his 'decent' record was better than both Boot and Shankly and with no Denis Law playing for him. By the late 1970s, his inability to impose discipline on his players saw incidents like Bobby Campbell leading the players through the back of his car in their muddy boots. If a fair proportion of your 20+ are good players from the 1960s rather than abject fourth division losers from the 1970s, then we'll have to revise our thinking about Tom Johnston. Please respond, I'm genuinely interested, although probably alone in that. From conversations and ìnterviews I've had; Bob Parker, Bob McNab, Brian Hill, John Rudge. McNab in particular was scathing, Rudge was brief, Parker described him as "the worst manager ever" and Hill wasn't a fan as he'd played with him at Grimsby. Then from the 1970s; Terry Dolan, John Dungworth, Peter Hart, Lloyd Maitland, Grahame McGifford, Bob Newton, Terry Poole, Steve Spriggs, Alan Sweeney, Wayne Goldthorpe, Martin Fowler, Bob Mountain, Dick Taylor and Keith Hanvey. Frank McGrellis was signed by him but didn't really say much about him. I'll have to revise my comment slightly as Mike Hellawell said he got alright with him but "there were no tactics". Mally Brown said, "he was like an old grandad". Ian Holmes liked him. George Binns made some comments at the 2016 1979-80 reunion about how he was not impressed with Johnston and his dealings, but when pressed he wouldn't say anything further. Frank Worthington was not complimentary in his autobiography. I shared a brief word with Mick Buxton recently and he said of Johnston, "I couldn't believe the state of the place when I arrived. I was used to everything being right at Burnley and I came into that under Tom. When I got the job, I told them what was happening and they either did it or they left". He's said many times over the years that he wasn't impressed with the lack of discipline. It's pretty well-known that he was bent. |
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Post by alex on Apr 27, 2024 11:51:44 GMT 1
He’s probably got other/ better options Then he’ll look around the room He has players he can’t begin to relate to - no fight, no running, no heart. He’s airing his annoyance at them in public now It needs a rebuild but personally I wouldn’t want Cartwright recommending new players. Is AB keen at that prospect A disgruntled and shrinking fan base A back office that can expect redundancies if we go down. I feel for them. So moral in the wider club will be shit for weeks An owner not connected in the day to day - thousands of miles and 8 hour time difference away A CEO who has not exactly excelled this season Success is winning league one - hardly enhances the cv. Or he fails and he gets sacked and that does harm his cv No games in the fixture list to really get you excited. I mean Barnsley will be the big derby and maybe Charlton or Bolton the biggest side in that league He’s not from West Yorkshire- and let’s be honest for most there’s better places to live I reckon it’s very likely he’ll walk A perfect summary of everything that is wrong with HTFC ATM |
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Post by araucaria on Apr 27, 2024 13:21:58 GMT 1
I never heard a bad word about him from anyone during his first spell from 1964/65 to 1968/69, when his 'decent' record was better than both Boot and Shankly and with no Denis Law playing for him. By the late 1970s, his inability to impose discipline on his players saw incidents like Bobby Campbell leading the players through the back of his car in their muddy boots. If a fair proportion of your 20+ are good players from the 1960s rather than abject fourth division losers from the 1970s, then we'll have to revise our thinking about Tom Johnston. Please respond, I'm genuinely interested, although probably alone in that. From conversations and ìnterviews I've had; Bob Parker, Bob McNab, Brian Hill, John Rudge. McNab in particular was scathing, Rudge was brief, Parker described him as "the worst manager ever" and Hill wasn't a fan as he'd played with him at Grimsby. Then from the 1970s; Terry Dolan, John Dungworth, Peter Hart, Lloyd Maitland, Grahame McGifford, Bob Newton, Terry Poole, Steve Spriggs, Alan Sweeney, Wayne Goldthorpe, Martin Fowler, Bob Mountain, Dick Taylor and Keith Hanvey. Frank McGrellis was signed by him but didn't really say much about him. I'll have to revise my comment slightly as Mike Hellawell said he got alright with him but "there were no tactics". Mally Brown said, "he was like an old grandad". Ian Holmes liked him. George Binns made some comments at the 2016 1979-80 reunion about how he was not impressed with Johnston and his dealings, but when pressed he wouldn't say anything further. Frank Worthington was not complimentary in his autobiography. I shared a brief word with Mick Buxton recently and he said of Johnston, "I couldn't believe the state of the place when I arrived. I was used to everything being right at Burnley and I came into that under Tom. When I got the job, I told them what was happening and they either did it or they left". He's said many times over the years that he wasn't impressed with the lack of discipline. It's pretty well-known that he was bent. Thanks for that - I knew that discipline wasn't his strong point - don't think Bobby would have remained long at the club if he'd done what he did to Tom - but by his second coming he was a grandad with only losers (excepting the goalkeepers, Hart and Hanvey from your list) to work with, and none of this alters my view that his first spell puts him higher up my list than yours. And if Terry Dolan didn't like him..... Who did you interview who didn't rate Eddie Boot? Parker and McNab? I trust that 'bent' means dishonest; if not, please don't reply. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 27, 2024 14:13:24 GMT 1
From conversations and ìnterviews I've had; Bob Parker, Bob McNab, Brian Hill, John Rudge. McNab in particular was scathing, Rudge was brief, Parker described him as "the worst manager ever" and Hill wasn't a fan as he'd played with him at Grimsby. Then from the 1970s; Terry Dolan, John Dungworth, Peter Hart, Lloyd Maitland, Grahame McGifford, Bob Newton, Terry Poole, Steve Spriggs, Alan Sweeney, Wayne Goldthorpe, Martin Fowler, Bob Mountain, Dick Taylor and Keith Hanvey. Frank McGrellis was signed by him but didn't really say much about him. I'll have to revise my comment slightly as Mike Hellawell said he got alright with him but "there were no tactics". Mally Brown said, "he was like an old grandad". Ian Holmes liked him. George Binns made some comments at the 2016 1979-80 reunion about how he was not impressed with Johnston and his dealings, but when pressed he wouldn't say anything further. Frank Worthington was not complimentary in his autobiography. I shared a brief word with Mick Buxton recently and he said of Johnston, "I couldn't believe the state of the place when I arrived. I was used to everything being right at Burnley and I came into that under Tom. When I got the job, I told them what was happening and they either did it or they left". He's said many times over the years that he wasn't impressed with the lack of discipline. It's pretty well-known that he was bent. Thanks for that - I knew that discipline wasn't his strong point - don't think Bobby would have remained long at the club if he'd done what he did to Tom - but by his second coming he was a grandad with only losers (excepting the goalkeepers, Hart and Hanvey from your list) to work with, and none of this alters my view that his first spell puts him higher up my list than yours. And if Terry Dolan didn't like him..... Who did you interview who didn't rate Eddie Boot? Parker and McNab? I trust that 'bent' means dishonest; if not, please don't reply. Bent as in on the take. |
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Post by wiltshireterrier on Apr 27, 2024 14:25:44 GMT 1
Does he have a good reason to stay? I'd be shocked if he is here in two weeks time.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 27, 2024 14:46:28 GMT 1
I tend to agree. But, he could see it as a big opportunity to rebuild a sunken ship. A big IF and hypothetical IF, we go down, he is allowed to rebuild effectively, we bounce back and we become a proper solid championship team, I think that further strengthens his reputation and CV. Wagner was linked to big jobs with the job he did at Town. So was Corberan. So, it is possible. I'd like him to stay put. If we’re re-building a sunken ship, we’ll need a few divers. Anyone know what Klinsmann is up to nowadays? If he could bring his coaching team from Korea with him, that would be great!! 🤣😭😢:'( |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 27, 2024 14:48:35 GMT 1
I don’t really think he’s the right fit for town, tactically we have set up poor in many games, played players out of position, not played to strengths (limited ones) and has shot himself in foot at times with substitutions weakening midfield for attacker overload (ended up getting thumped) Over time I thought Andre shows a level of arrogance in pressers in not really admitting he’s made mistakes but might be a language thing. He’s quick to state an excuse which is easy to do with last 8 months of unstable leadership. References the players a lot, Cardiff ..players didn’t follow plan, then it was fitness references and then lack of will with Swansea game He might be right in those reasons but he’s dropped several clangers and it’s always “we didn’t make chances or put them away” or “we controlled the game in parts” The only reason many keep Andre is because the back drop of staff above him is terrible. It’s clutching at straws but Andre might have a better idea on a rebuild than anyone else at club. Desperate times ! Not the right fit for the current shit show is one of the main reasons I want him to stay! |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 30, 2024 21:09:38 GMT 1
Still don't rate him for calling it out and not sticking around to fix it. But he was absolutely spot on wasn't he?
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 30, 2024 21:12:16 GMT 1
Still don't rate him for calling it out and not sticking around to fix it. But he was absolutely spot on wasn't he? I don't think he was to be honest. We have been playing crap but one thing I won't accuse the players of this season is not giving 100%. Duff does not strike me as the kind of guy to put up with that crap. We were found out tactically and we are struggling to counter that. Not down to a lack of effort. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 30, 2024 21:47:47 GMT 1
Still don't rate him for calling it out and not sticking around to fix it. But he was absolutely spot on wasn't he? Not really. We have 8 players who weren't here and 2 he slated have gone and it's even worse. |
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Post by crux on Sept 30, 2024 23:24:34 GMT 1
Still don't rate him for calling it out and not sticking around to fix it. But he was absolutely spot on wasn't he? Not really. We have 8 players who weren't here and 2 he slated have gone and it's even worse. The 'senior' players are all still here though! Hogg, Lees, Pearson, Ward, Ruffels, Nicholls, Helik and Turton. Most of whom should have been moved on in the summer. I'd be looking to move all of them on in January or the summer - with the possible exceptions of Helik and Nicholls. Although Nicholls is now injured for up to 3 months and Helik looks a pale imitation of the player we know he can be. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 30, 2024 23:39:35 GMT 1
Still don't rate him for calling it out and not sticking around to fix it. But he was absolutely spot on wasn't he? I don't think he was to be honest. We have been playing crap but one thing I won't accuse the players of this season is not giving 100%. Duff does not strike me as the kind of guy to put up with that crap. We were found out tactically and we are struggling to counter that. Not down to a lack of effort. Nah - blackpool might have been the case, but northampton was down to errors and a shocking lack of desire and effort from players who thought we turn up we win. Reading on sat again not tactics for me - errors/general sloppiness and an inability to see the job through. Right now its easier to name players youd be sorry to see go than the other way round. V telling that. |
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Post by ezzie on Oct 1, 2024 0:45:59 GMT 1
Agreed. I don’t think people truly understand how bad of a scenario we would be in if Andre wasn’t selfless enough to call the complete full stack out at Huddersfield Town. People say he failed, I think that’s shit, That squad last season was a complete disgrace tactically ,mentally and physically. Duff is starting to see all these deep rooted loser mentality players and is trying to address it himself.
That Lees interview sums it up entirely for me. Shocking
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 1, 2024 8:43:53 GMT 1
Not really. We have 8 players who weren't here and 2 he slated have gone and it's even worse. The 'senior' players are all still here though! Hogg, Lees, Pearson, Ward, Ruffels, Nicholls, Helik and Turton. Most of whom should have been moved on in the summer. I'd be looking to move all of them on in January or the summer - with the possible exceptions of Helik and Nicholls. Although Nicholls is now injured for up to 3 months and Helik looks a pale imitation of the player we know he can be. Yep AB insinuated it needed a total restart, we all jumped on him for leaving but the summer proved we got anything but. Ownership and the Director of Football were happy to keep the serial losers about. Part of what differentiates us and Birmingham in ambition. One ripped it up one tried to patch over it all AGAIN. Probably why AB didn't stay as he didn't trust a total rebuild would happen. That and he didn't fancy League One. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 1, 2024 8:48:30 GMT 1
That Chris Powell has done alright for himself?
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Post by willo on Oct 1, 2024 10:07:27 GMT 1
The 'senior' players are all still here though! Hogg, Lees, Pearson, Ward, Ruffels, Nicholls, Helik and Turton. Most of whom should have been moved on in the summer. I'd be looking to move all of them on in January or the summer - with the possible exceptions of Helik and Nicholls. Although Nicholls is now injured for up to 3 months and Helik looks a pale imitation of the player we know he can be. Yep AB insinuated it needed a total restart, we all jumped on him for leaving but the summer proved we got anything but. Ownership and the Director of Football were happy to keep the serial losers about. Part of what differentiates us and Birmingham in ambition. One ripped it up one tried to patch over it all AGAIN. Probably why AB didn't stay as he didn't trust a total rebuild would happen. That and he didn't fancy League One. Suspect AB feels he’s dodged a bullet or two by not staying on. Not that he was the answer anyway. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 1, 2024 14:34:07 GMT 1
That Chris Powell has done alright for himself? His acting on Ted Lasso is atrociously bad - totally cracks me up!! 😆😆 |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 1, 2024 16:17:32 GMT 1
Agreed. I don’t think people truly understand how bad of a scenario we would be in if Andre wasn’t selfless enough to call the complete full stack out at Huddersfield Town. People say he failed, I think that’s shit, That squad last season was a complete disgrace tactically ,mentally and physically. Duff is starting to see all these deep rooted loser mentality players and is trying to address it himself.
That Lees interview sums it up entirely for me. Shocking Do you have a link? |
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Post by brighousesteve on Oct 1, 2024 16:48:46 GMT 1
Agreed. I don’t think people truly understand how bad of a scenario we would be in if Andre wasn’t selfless enough to call the complete full stack out at Huddersfield Town. People say he failed, I think that’s shit, That squad last season was a complete disgrace tactically ,mentally and physically. Duff is starting to see all these deep rooted loser mentality players and is trying to address it himself.
That Lees interview sums it up entirely for me. Shocking Do you have a link? |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 1, 2024 18:33:20 GMT 1
Not really. We have 8 players who weren't here and 2 he slated have gone and it's even worse. The 'senior' players are all still here though! Hogg, Lees, Pearson, Ward, Ruffels, Nicholls, Helik and Turton. Most of whom should have been moved on in the summer. I'd be looking to move all of them on in January or the summer - with the possible exceptions of Helik and Nicholls. Although Nicholls is now injured for up to 3 months and Helik looks a pale imitation of the player we know he can be. So is Nicholls tbh |
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