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Post by digs on Aug 31, 2024 9:04:12 GMT 1
Disappointing end to the transfer window "we haven't signed a striker" or words to that effect?
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Post by ruggedivy on Aug 31, 2024 9:19:47 GMT 1
Gotta feel that Brum's strategy has likely impacted us directly and indirectly. I'm sure a few Champ clubs must've been looking at Stansfield which likely had a knock on effect at Luton. Can only assume Brum's strategy is back to back promotions. Anything else is pure financial madness
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 31, 2024 9:24:01 GMT 1
We’ll be OK. Imagine being a Newport fan and looking forward to seeing Kyle Hudlin lead the line…..
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Post by captainblack on Aug 31, 2024 9:28:54 GMT 1
So we didn’t sign Taylor. Ho hum. Try again in January, provided Luton get their ducks in a row. In truth, I think we’re looking at the wrong type of striker. We need a striker who can hold the ball up, occupy defenders, free up space for his strike partner, and who can be an aerial threat. We should have been looking at Michael Smith, who’s proven in this division - an old-fashioned number 9. A striker to get better out of what we have. Totally agree , we should have been looking for a Grant Holt sort of striker, a real target man. Its disappointing we seem to have missed out on a striker , you just have to hope our injury prone strikers manage to stay fit. It could be the difference between promotion and a top half finish.
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Post by captainblack on Aug 31, 2024 9:32:35 GMT 1
I'll laugh my bollox off when they end up 7th I believe Birmingham city will go up as champions S.H.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 31, 2024 9:33:18 GMT 1
With all the money thrown around by Birmingham, I still think the best two pieces of business done in league 1 were us signing Sorensen and Barnsley signing Keillor-Dunn.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 31, 2024 9:37:43 GMT 1
At the start of this window we all agreed we needed a new striker and we've signed one in Marshall. He's only a young kid, but so was Jordan Rhodes when we signed him & he didn't turn out too bad. Marshall's already shown early promise and could well turn out to be the 20 goals striker we crave. Its only because Nagle mentioned strikers in the plural that folk are now getting their knickers in a twist because we only got one.
Lets not forget the other six signings we've made which have made us stronger in both midfield & defence, two areas we were badly lacking in last season. It'd have been nice to have got another striker in but its not the end of the world. 9 points out of 9 so far folks. UTT
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 31, 2024 9:38:31 GMT 1
Thing with the Stansfield deal (and all the rest) is they’re basically resigned to being in financial bother when they go up. So as owners they’ve either set their money on fire with no promotion (looking doubtful), or when they do go up they’re going to be under embargo and given a points deduction surely? 7 year deal would mean c£2M per year being included in outlay. Chuck in wages, plus potential add-ons, and you're looking at c£3-3.5m per year. It's bonkers money. The thing that gets me the most is that they've looked at Jay Stansfield - good player, lots of potential, might be a Premier League striker in the future, probably middle-of-the-road Championship player now - and decided to spend a guaranteed £15m on him, potentially rising to £20m. Is Birmingham's scouting network so narrow that it can't find a better footballer for that money? Four or five better footballers? I'm not saying that to knock Stansfield - he's a decent young player - but to ask questions of Birmingham's sense of value. I suspect a lot of saner Brum fans will be asking some very serious questions of their club and be quite worried about the long term.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 31, 2024 9:41:17 GMT 1
So we didn’t sign Taylor. Ho hum. Try again in January, provided Luton get their ducks in a row. In truth, I think we’re looking at the wrong type of striker. We need a striker who can hold the ball up, occupy defenders, free up space for his strike partner, and who can be an aerial threat. We should have been looking at Michael Smith, who’s proven in this division - an old-fashioned number 9. A striker to get better out of what we have. Totally agree , we should have been looking for a Grant Holt sort of striker, a real target man. Its disappointing we seem to have missed out on a striker , you just have to hope our injury prone strikers manage to stay fit. It could be the difference between promotion and a top half finish. I’m of the same mind in that we have needed a “target man” up front for a long time. But then you go to a game and see the amount of off the ball running the likes of Ward have to do to press and think there’s no way a traditional No 9 would be able to do this. Would have been good to have this option as a plan b but it’s over now. Time to get behind the team.
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Post by alanalanleeee on Aug 31, 2024 9:44:06 GMT 1
Can’t understand how people are comparing this to last season whatsoever. We’ve brought in 7 starters who strengthen the squad in all areas. We have a new manager who has spent a thorough preseason with the team and we’ve started with 3 wins out of 3.
Good times ahead!
There’ll be poor moments this season, our business during this window is absolutely not one of them.
Shurrup and get behind the lads.
UTFT
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Post by ebargum on Aug 31, 2024 9:49:22 GMT 1
7 year deal would mean c£2M per year being included in outlay. Chuck in wages, plus potential add-ons, and you're looking at c£3-3.5m per year. It's bonkers money. The thing that gets me the most is that they've looked at Jay Stansfield - good player, lots of potential, might be a Premier League striker in the future, probably middle-of-the-road Championship player now - and decided to spend a guaranteed £15m on him, potentially rising to £20m. Is Birmingham's scouting network so narrow that it can't find a better footballer for that money? Four or five better footballers? I'm not saying that to knock Stansfield - he's a decent young player - but to ask questions of Birmingham's sense of value. I suspect a lot of saner Brum fans will be asking some very serious questions of their club and be quite worried about the long term. I was trying to say that the transfer fee being 'diluted' over the length of contract, probably won't get them in 'financial bother' as suggested.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Aug 31, 2024 9:50:13 GMT 1
Say what you want about Birmingham and yes PSR might bite them in the arse but least they are backing up their talk. KN is just fighting fans on twitter because he gave it the big one on a summer overhaul and signing a quality striker and failed to deliver. I appreciate some of it was uncontrollable and no I don’t want us spending our way into financial trouble but yeah maybe made a rod for his own back. That’s not a dig it’s just what happened.
Actions speak louder than words best thing he could do now is come off socials for a while in my opinion. Not that my opinion matters in the slightest.
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Post by yoy on Aug 31, 2024 9:52:28 GMT 1
Many strikers out of contract .Maybe we could pick up a bargain on a short term deal Me I am happy with what we have signed UTT. Agree with this. I’d have preferred someone to supplement the strike force but it is far from disaster. We have enough firepower to get us to January and then reassess. We have a stronger squad than we had last season in my view. That’s not a bad starting point and I’m quite happy with the window.
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Post by gowlinggoal on Aug 31, 2024 9:59:55 GMT 1
7 year deal would mean c£2M per year being included in outlay. Chuck in wages, plus potential add-ons, and you're looking at c£3-3.5m per year. It's bonkers money. The thing that gets me the most is that they've looked at Jay Stansfield - good player, lots of potential, might be a Premier League striker in the future, probably middle-of-the-road Championship player now - and decided to spend a guaranteed £15m on him, potentially rising to £20m. Is Birmingham's scouting network so narrow that it can't find a better footballer for that money? Four or five better footballers? I'm not saying that to knock Stansfield - he's a decent young player - but to ask questions of Birmingham's sense of value. I suspect a lot of saner Brum fans will be asking some very serious questions of their club and be quite worried about the long term. This purchase reminds me of when we bought Kongolo. We really wanted him so much that we paid significantly more than he was worth
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 31, 2024 10:14:14 GMT 1
At the start of this window we all agreed we needed a new striker and we've signed one in Marshall. He's only a young kid, but so was Jordan Rhodes when we signed him & he didn't turn out too bad. Marshall's already shown early promise and could well turn out to be the 20 goals striker we crave. Its only because Nagle mentioned strikers in the plural that folk are now getting their knickers in a twist because we only got one. Lets not forget the other six signings we've made which have made us stronger in both midfield & defence, two areas we were badly lacking in last season. It'd have been nice to have got another striker in but its not the end of the world. 9 points out of 9 so far folks. UTT Well said.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 31, 2024 10:15:41 GMT 1
so have we not signing a forward Except we have, you bumbling fucktard. Excellent description
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 31, 2024 10:20:07 GMT 1
I am actually embarrassed to be a Town fan looking at some of the things posted on Twitter today. Think before you act. An old adage that’s served many of us well over the years I suspect. Put a phone in the hand of an idiot and it’ll rarely end well…
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 31, 2024 10:20:35 GMT 1
Totally agree , we should have been looking for a Grant Holt sort of striker, a real target man. Its disappointing we seem to have missed out on a striker , you just have to hope our injury prone strikers manage to stay fit. It could be the difference between promotion and a top half finish. I’m of the same mind in that we have needed a “target man” up front for a long time. But then you go to a game and see the amount of off the ball running the likes of Ward have to do to press and think there’s no way a traditional No 9 would be able to do this. Would have been good to have this option as a plan b but it’s over now. Time to get behind the team. Seriously if we need a physical forward at the end of a game I'd use helic
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 31, 2024 10:22:49 GMT 1
Chuck in wages, plus potential add-ons, and you're looking at c£3-3.5m per year. It's bonkers money. The thing that gets me the most is that they've looked at Jay Stansfield - good player, lots of potential, might be a Premier League striker in the future, probably middle-of-the-road Championship player now - and decided to spend a guaranteed £15m on him, potentially rising to £20m. Is Birmingham's scouting network so narrow that it can't find a better footballer for that money? Four or five better footballers? I'm not saying that to knock Stansfield - he's a decent young player - but to ask questions of Birmingham's sense of value. I suspect a lot of saner Brum fans will be asking some very serious questions of their club and be quite worried about the long term. I was trying to say that the transfer fee being 'diluted' over the length of contract, probably won't get them in 'financial bother' as suggested. It will and for longer
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 31, 2024 10:31:31 GMT 1
7 year deal would mean c£2M per year being included in outlay. Chuck in wages, plus potential add-ons, and you're looking at c£3-3.5m per year. It's bonkers money. The thing that gets me the most is that they've looked at Jay Stansfield - good player, lots of potential, might be a Premier League striker in the future, probably middle-of-the-road Championship player now - and decided to spend a guaranteed £15m on him, potentially rising to £20m. Is Birmingham's scouting network so narrow that it can't find a better footballer for that money? Four or five better footballers? I'm not saying that to knock Stansfield - he's a decent young player - but to ask questions of Birmingham's sense of value. I suspect a lot of saner Brum fans will be asking some very serious questions of their club and be quite worried about the long term. I think the overwhelming likelihood is that he will end up exactly as you say, a middle of the road Championship striker, but what is an almost certainty, is that Birmingham will end up having to let him go at significant reduction to the fee they have just paid for him. If he doesn't live up to their expectations this season, his value plummets. If they don't go up this season, his value plummets. If they do go up, they're almost certainly in breach of FFP, and awarded a points deduction, meaning they have to offload their highest earners for a knockdown price, ergo his value plummets. The only scenario in which this works for them, is if they go up, by some miracle avoid an FFP breach, keep him, and he scores a hatful in the Championship, but even then he would have to single handedly destroy that division to get anywhere close to the price that B'ham have just paid for him, because who else is going to pay £15mil+ for a middling Championship striker? Given their recent history, and how badly they've been run, you'd have to be an incredibly naive fan to be excited by this transfer.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 31, 2024 10:33:22 GMT 1
Chuck in wages, plus potential add-ons, and you're looking at c£3-3.5m per year. It's bonkers money. The thing that gets me the most is that they've looked at Jay Stansfield - good player, lots of potential, might be a Premier League striker in the future, probably middle-of-the-road Championship player now - and decided to spend a guaranteed £15m on him, potentially rising to £20m. Is Birmingham's scouting network so narrow that it can't find a better footballer for that money? Four or five better footballers? I'm not saying that to knock Stansfield - he's a decent young player - but to ask questions of Birmingham's sense of value. I suspect a lot of saner Brum fans will be asking some very serious questions of their club and be quite worried about the long term. I was trying to say that the transfer fee being 'diluted' over the length of contract, probably won't get them in 'financial bother' as suggested. Without exception, all transfer fees at every club are paid over a term. It isn't the transfer fees that will put them in breach, it's the wage bill.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 31, 2024 10:33:22 GMT 1
The Brum thing is a lot of nonsense. We play them twice, its 6 points leaving 132 to play for, even if we lose twice to them. Direct competition twice a season and their spending cant affect how we play today at Rotherham or any other game afterwards. They are spending fortunes to back 'their plan' for the season, our plan is for us and the two plans only clash twice. Forget Birmingham till we play them. Points make prizes, if you get enough for promotion Im not interested who has won more, the goal was reached. No idea what the difference in prize money is for first or second, might even be more made winning the play offs.? Promotion is everything, however its done. Problem with spending relative fortunes in the 3rd division is that if you get promoted you then come up against 3 or 4 teams with parachute money, bigger bankrolls etc and you are already in hoc for a shitload.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Aug 31, 2024 10:34:39 GMT 1
Defo embarrassing some of the chat on here - I like some of the posters and chat but does make you think about leaving DATM - shame if good folk do so.
Hopefully, and what I would say to KN and DC is that with forums and social media, the toxic, abusive, name-calling folk are a vocal minority of the overall fan base. Lots of great Town fans too.
For me, of course Taylor would have been an exciting addition, but that’s football. The club have had a brilliant few months on and off the pitch and not just incomings but clearing out some of the toxic characters and deadwood too.
Loads of promising signings and most importantly we have kept our best players - which shows bottle and intent for a League one club. Keeping Nicholls, Helik and Spencer is huge.
If you look at the squad, we have some of the strongest players for their position in the league.
Good strikers are the hardest players to get in football - every team wants a goalscorer. Two players in League one scored 20+ goals last season and only 5 players scored sixteen or more. I think over the pitch we have enough firepower at this level to do well.
And whether people like it or not, the fact is over the last two windows we have signed 3 strikers so have 100% been active and tried for a 4th. Window closed so we know what we have is staying and Healey, Bojan and Marshall etc could come good. Who knows. If not, and we are in a decent position in the league in Jan, no reason we won’t go out and strengthen then for a final push for promotion. Personally, I’d much rather we are progressive and work the way we have these last 3 months than go crazy like Birmingham have.
Well done to the club and all involved - I am excited for the weeks and months ahead.
UTT
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Post by incognito on Aug 31, 2024 10:38:21 GMT 1
I wonder what sort of fee (if any) it would take for Luton to consider parting with Joe Taylor. I think he'd be a more sensible investment than May if the total finances (fee + salary etc) were in a vaguely similar ballpark... I count myself among the select few who had actually seen Taylor play (or even heard of him ) prior to Nixon linking him to us at the end of July. He was the first player I thought of after we missed out on May. I liked him more as a potential buy. Regardless of the owner's wealth, our financial model will continue to require a significant sale every couple of years, fed by sensible investments with strong potential to quickly appreciate in value. Following Rudoni's departure, it's difficult to say who the next big sale is likely to be from the current squad... As a potential loan he would have been the cherry on the cake for a squad seeking an immediate return to the Championship. Certainly not the cake itself, though. I can't help but feel a section of our fanbase has been influenced by some of the daft hyperbole pumped out by various no-mark Twitter accounts: Given the similarity of their profiles, I'd originally assumed the signing of Callum Marshall marked the end of any interest in Taylor. If you think Marshall is a bit "raw", wait until you've seen a bit more of Taylor - he plays like a ragamuffin from the streets (fun to watch though). I like Taylor's 'chutzpah' and his surprising strength for a littlun. Both are instinctive finishers with clever movement. Taylor plays predominantly off the CB's shoulder, Marshall will offer a bit more with his back to goal. As much as we all feel 'burned' by our path history with the majority of them, in reality ( when fit) a striker group of Healey, Ward, Koroma, Marshall & Radulovic leaves us better resourced in this department than all bar two or three clubs in this league. I don't see goalscoring being an issue over the course of the season - they'll share them amongst themselves, but in this system half their goal contributions won't even make it onto any stat sheets - i.e. dragging CBs towards the near post for Evans / Wiles / Kane to fill their boots from cut-backs to the edge of the box.
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Post by Amigo on Aug 31, 2024 10:41:23 GMT 1
Say what you want about Birmingham and yes PSR might bite them in the arse but least they are backing up their talk. KN is just fighting fans on twitter because he gave it the big one on a summer overhaul and signing a quality striker and failed to deliver. I appreciate some of it was uncontrollable and no I don’t want us spending our way into financial trouble but yeah maybe made a rod for his own back. That’s not a dig it’s just what happened. Actions speak louder than words best thing he could do now is come off socials for a while in my opinion. Not that my opinion matters in the slightest. So what you're saying there is, even though you also don't want us to get in to financial trouble, that we should have done what Birmingham have done and just spent what ever it took to get players in and hope it all works out? And still probably get a points deduction if/when they go up? Which is it? You've said we should have done what Birmingham have done and also that we shouldn't. Considering the numerous positives he has done I'm not surprised Nagle wants to defend himself, not that I'd bother personally especially with someone of the backward folk that are complaining. You've not posted once anything positive about a signing we've made, new centre half, 2 very good wing backs, defensive midfielder, 2 more midfielders, striker on loan, all players we needed and a decent overhaul of the team, instead just cry about 1 signing we didn't make. Your very last line is the most sense I've seen you speak.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Aug 31, 2024 11:01:34 GMT 1
The only reason folk don’t think this is a brilliant window is Birmingham City. Without them going stupid with their money we have got our targets and got them in early.
We have cleared the decks of players none of us thought were up to it and got some very good players in.
I don’t want to put pressure on the lad but I have been really impressed with Callum Marshall. I know folks don’t rate Ward, and for good reason, but he could be perfect for Marshall. Only time will tell.
Now let’s just concentrate on supporting our club.
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Post by royalflush on Aug 31, 2024 11:08:07 GMT 1
I came away from Shrewsbury and Walsall thinking the top priorities were a pacy ball-playing centre half and a replacement for Hogg. Both accomplished. We can cope up front. It's just the fact we had May in the building that's the frustration. The irony now is he may end up bench-warming behind Stansfield & Dykes whereas he'd have started 46 matches here if fit. Yes, being paid more handsomely but he's in his 30s. He'll want to be playing while he still can. Be careful what you wish for Alfie.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 31, 2024 11:09:00 GMT 1
The only reason folk don’t think this is a brilliant window is Birmingham City. Without them going stupid with their money we have got our targets and got them in early. We have cleared the decks of players none of us thought were up to it and got some very good players in. I don’t want to put pressure on the lad but I have been really impressed with Callum Marshall. I know folks don’t rate Ward, and for good reason, but he could be perfect for Marshall. Only time will tell. Now let’s just concentrate on supporting our club. I agree re Marshall his workrate is phenomenal and he clearly has a strikers instinct. He’s here to progress his career with every incentive to do well for us.
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Post by 88888 on Aug 31, 2024 11:10:32 GMT 1
whats the crack with radulovic when is he going to be back?
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Post by cyberman on Aug 31, 2024 11:14:04 GMT 1
We’ll be OK. Imagine being a Newport fan and looking forward to seeing Kyle Hudlin lead the line….. is that a bit like being a Town fan and seeing "Three Wood" Ward leading the line ? - not quite sure which is worse tbh. Never mind we are definitely not sleep walking into relegation....not with this squad.....they are just too good to go down...
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