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Post by ezzie on Sept 2, 2024 16:14:29 GMT 1
The midfield was the problem on Saturday. No issues with Koroma who I felt played well, none particularly with the defenders and although Sorensen had a poor game he generally plays well. The issue is Hogg, Evans and Wiles. A very very poor midfield at the moment leading to us being cut open with ease. Passing terrible also. We were crying out for Kane. Kane does knit the midfield together but the big issue was the lack of ball playing ability for the defence and particularly Hogg. Midfield spent all game watching the ball ping past them, over them or trying to chase it down but if they did win it back they had been pulled all out of position (the positioning should get less as the team develops and gets used to knowing where their places are etc) Players like Evans dont become sh/t overnight, it's too easy for people to just say they aren't good enough rather than look at the issues. Agreed, I’m so so close to putting some tactical analysis together with screenshots from games if I ever get the time just to highlight some of this from a technical perspective. So so poor to call Evan’s and Wiles out when your 6, who’s sole purpose is to drop within 10 metres of both CBs to receive the ball as an option and get on the half turn feeding balls to Evo and Wiles. Yet against Rotherham what did Hogg do? For no fucking reason stood still with zero movement, refusing to collect the ball, hence why Helik was having to try travel with the ball with no options, and inevitable having to play long ball as our ‘6’ was too busy being marked sat on the half way line. It’s truly horrid 6 play. Hodge HAS to be the difference maker for me and showed exactly what we needed in that role. Collect the fucking ball as an option from the CBs and split their 2 strikers, then your options open up. There’s a reason CDMs/6’s are now so expensive in the world of football, because they are so important to winning football games.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 2, 2024 17:56:52 GMT 1
Kane does knit the midfield together but the big issue was the lack of ball playing ability for the defence and particularly Hogg. Midfield spent all game watching the ball ping past them, over them or trying to chase it down but if they did win it back they had been pulled all out of position (the positioning should get less as the team develops and gets used to knowing where their places are etc) Players like Evans dont become sh/t overnight, it's too easy for people to just say they aren't good enough rather than look at the issues. Agreed, I’m so so close to putting some tactical analysis together with screenshots from games if I ever get the time just to highlight some of this from a technical perspective. So so poor to call Evan’s and Wiles out when your 6, who’s sole purpose is to drop within 10 metres of both CBs to receive the ball as an option and get on the half turn feeding balls to Evo and Wiles. Yet against Rotherham what did Hogg do? For no fucking reason stood still with zero movement, refusing to collect the ball, hence why Helik was having to try travel with the ball with no options, and inevitable having to play long ball as our ‘6’ was too busy being marked sat on the half way line. It’s truly horrid 6 play. Hodge HAS to be the difference maker for me and showed exactly what we needed in that role. Collect the fucking ball as an option from the CBs and split their 2 strikers, then your options open up. There’s a reason CDMs/6’s are now so expensive in the world of football, because they are so important to winning football games. The movement in every direction is non existent at times, nobody comes short, nobody moves as a pair to accept the ball and be able to play a first time ball etc. Hogg and Spencer are not ball players at the best of times but anyone would struggle for us. Given it takes us so long to move the ball to around halfway you are always going to be faced by most of the opposition and standing behind them makes it doubly hard to play a forward ball. It aint quick enough from defence through to the front, there isnt enough movement forward for passes to be 'on' and we fail more than not to move it quickly on turnover.. Nobody is shit, nobody became shit, just the wrong blokes making the play and therefore making it too slowly and the rest not helping much. Any 'tactical' anaylsis anyone does will tell you, you cant play the ball through the thirds without pace or without a lot of movement from your own players, we are watching it not happen.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 2, 2024 18:56:14 GMT 1
Kane does knit the midfield together but the big issue was the lack of ball playing ability for the defence and particularly Hogg. Midfield spent all game watching the ball ping past them, over them or trying to chase it down but if they did win it back they had been pulled all out of position (the positioning should get less as the team develops and gets used to knowing where their places are etc) Players like Evans dont become sh/t overnight, it's too easy for people to just say they aren't good enough rather than look at the issues. Agreed, I’m so so close to putting some tactical analysis together with screenshots from games if I ever get the time just to highlight some of this from a technical perspective. So so poor to call Evan’s and Wiles out when your 6, who’s sole purpose is to drop within 10 metres of both CBs to receive the ball as an option and get on the half turn feeding balls to Evo and Wiles. Yet against Rotherham what did Hogg do? For no fucking reason stood still with zero movement, refusing to collect the ball, hence why Helik was having to try travel with the ball with no options, and inevitable having to play long ball as our ‘6’ was too busy being marked sat on the half way line. It’s truly horrid 6 play. Hodge HAS to be the difference maker for me and showed exactly what we needed in that role. Collect the fucking ball as an option from the CBs and split their 2 strikers, then your options open up. There’s a reason CDMs/6’s are now so expensive in the world of football, because they are so important to winning football games. With respect its not poor to call out evans and wiles - they were dreadful. Persistently gave it away cheaply and offered nothing on the day. Hogg no better either and whilst i take your point re Helik entirely, the manager has to put that right cos he can see what we did - nothing happening! Im sure hodge has been brought in to pep the tempo up and to give hogg competition - for all his faults though dont write hoggy off. We just have to stop relying on him every week - lets be honest kasumu is no better and cant stay fit and hopefully hodge now provides that competition to replace hoggy as a starter most weeks. Duff also needs to find a system where evans makes a contribution and wiles actually does something regularly - too often the games just pass him by.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Sept 2, 2024 19:11:18 GMT 1
Kane does knit the midfield together but the big issue was the lack of ball playing ability for the defence and particularly Hogg. Midfield spent all game watching the ball ping past them, over them or trying to chase it down but if they did win it back they had been pulled all out of position (the positioning should get less as the team develops and gets used to knowing where their places are etc) Players like Evans dont become sh/t overnight, it's too easy for people to just say they aren't good enough rather than look at the issues. Agreed, I’m so so close to putting some tactical analysis together with screenshots from games if I ever get the time just to highlight some of this from a technical perspective. So so poor to call Evan’s and Wiles out when your 6, who’s sole purpose is to drop within 10 metres of both CBs to receive the ball as an option and get on the half turn feeding balls to Evo and Wiles. Yet against Rotherham what did Hogg do? For no fucking reason stood still with zero movement, refusing to collect the ball, hence why Helik was having to try travel with the ball with no options, and inevitable having to play long ball as our ‘6’ was too busy being marked sat on the half way line. It’s truly horrid 6 play. Hodge HAS to be the difference maker for me and showed exactly what we needed in that role. Collect the fucking ball as an option from the CBs and split their 2 strikers, then your options open up. There’s a reason CDMs/6’s are now so expensive in the world of football, because they are so important to winning football games.Especially when you play the system we do. Effectively the 6 becomes the quarterback, the playmaker. In our formation/system I'd argue it's the MOST important position in our team. Not to slight on Hogg, but we cannot have Hogg in that pivot role whatsoever. I worry every time he gets the ball under pressure. He's technically not got the touch nor passing ability and the vision around him for that role. Holding/Tackling, chasing down, interceptions etc yes, but ball playing #6 absolutely not, I'm afraid. EDIT: I'd use Hogg sparingly and rely on his experience when we want to sure things up and tighten up in midfield.
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Post by tonytiler on Sept 2, 2024 19:41:04 GMT 1
Simple solution then,drop Hoggy to the bench next game.Will it happen,will it fuck. It's not even worth a conversation any longer,everybody with a bit of decent eye sight can see that he is too slow and devoid of any pace or ideas except the coaching staff, or maybe they do but they just refuse to address it.
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Post by stevehtfc on Sept 2, 2024 19:44:39 GMT 1
Simple solution then,drop Hoggy to the bench next game.Will it happen,will it fuck. It's not even worth a conversation any longer,everybody with a bit of decent eye sight can see that he is too slow and devoid of any pace or ideas except the coaching staff, or maybe they do but they just refuse to address it. Doncaster tomorrow I want Scott High in place of Hogg ,😂
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Post by htafcdreams on Sept 2, 2024 20:26:48 GMT 1
How come everyone in last 3-4 seasons hasn’t replaced Hogg and at 35 years old he’s starting every game?
Russell - static and soft Vallejo- static and made of glass Kasumu - fast furious can’t pass a ball and headless chicken Camara - static and didn’t want to mix it
Here we are, moaning about Hogg. No replacement
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 2, 2024 20:39:25 GMT 1
How come everyone in last 3-4 seasons hasn’t replaced Hogg and at 35 years old he’s starting every game? Russell - static and soft Vallejo- static and made of glass Kasumu - fast furious can’t pass a ball and headless chicken Camara - static and didn’t want to mix it Here we are, moaning about Hogg. No replacement Not sure many will agree but I thought Vallejo was brilliant when fit. He had the ability to dictate tempo, read the game as good as any player since Mooy, and a really cool head in possession. Made Russell look mobile though!
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Post by rockwall on Sept 2, 2024 21:34:39 GMT 1
How come everyone in last 3-4 seasons hasn’t replaced Hogg and at 35 years old he’s starting every game? Russell - static and soft Vallejo- static and made of glass Kasumu - fast furious can’t pass a ball and headless chicken Camara - static and didn’t want to mix it Here we are, moaning about Hogg. No replacement Not sure many will agree but I thought Vallejo was brilliant when fit. He had the ability to dictate tempo, read the game as good as any player since Mooy, and a really cool head in possession. Made Russell look mobile though! Anyone who can make Scott High look half decent must be a very good player....
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Post by canuckterrier on Sept 2, 2024 21:45:50 GMT 1
the overall point i am making, is we have not done enough to change the losers mentaility of the squad. Yesterday proved it , in a difficult game we got buillied and domanited . We yet again are far too easy to play against, most of thie squad are used to losing and it needed a wholsale change and it didn't get it. the squad needed an enema and it didn't get it . Yesterday proved nothing! A foolish challenge a non penalty and taking the lead with 10 menThey were also down to 10 men at that time, which they should not have been due to a screwup by the Ref. And I think that is why the Ref realized his mistake and gave them the softest of all penalties.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 2, 2024 21:53:36 GMT 1
How come everyone in last 3-4 seasons hasn’t replaced Hogg and at 35 years old he’s starting every game? Russell - static and soft Vallejo- static and made of glass Kasumu - fast furious can’t pass a ball and headless chicken Camara - static and didn’t want to mix it Here we are, moaning about Hogg. No replacement WE never replaced Mooy and to be honest we have only replaced players with someone else who played in roughly the same position, but was much cheaper and nowhere near the players we once employed. We have been cutting costs ever since we were relegated from the Premier League. Hece so striker.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 2, 2024 22:31:47 GMT 1
How come everyone in last 3-4 seasons hasn’t replaced Hogg and at 35 years old he’s starting every game? Russell - static and soft Vallejo- static and made of glass Kasumu - fast furious can’t pass a ball and headless chicken Camara - static and didn’t want to mix it Here we are, moaning about Hogg. No replacement You’re one of them people who idolises Hogg, fine whatever. But you haven’t mentioned any of his downfalls which ironically are amongst the same as the players you’ve mentioned. You use the word static to describe 3 of them. Didn’t realise Hogg was a swashbuckling box to box midfielder. Can’t people focus on what the issue is now rather than in the past. Or is it because you ignore the obvious. Russell at one point was more useful than Hogg in getting to a final, Vallejo fair enough was injury prone but could actually pass a ball, kasumu is much better at any kind of movement than Hogg and will actually run forward and camara is a funny one. Bringing up a teenager who played about 8 games who was sold for 1 million plus is hilarious. Hogg is like Teflon to some people and they won’t see the problems he causes
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Post by Ross83 on Sept 2, 2024 22:39:27 GMT 1
I'm obviously a fan of Hoggy so I may be biased but I'm fucking lost as to how he's getting the stick after the performances of Evans and Wiles in the last couple of games.
They're both lacking pace and seem to watch the game go by. Why is Hogg always available for a pass but yet our two "creative" midfielders just watch on as he has to pass it back or wide to the wingbacks?
I'd like to see the comparison on touches and passes from all 3 each game.
We also never seem to do very well when we miss Hogg for a few weeks, and with all those mentioned, nobody has stepped up yet. Not every manager can be wrong to select him consistently, as poor as some of those managers have been.
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Post by ezzie on Sept 2, 2024 22:44:39 GMT 1
Agreed, I’m so so close to putting some tactical analysis together with screenshots from games if I ever get the time just to highlight some of this from a technical perspective. So so poor to call Evan’s and Wiles out when your 6, who’s sole purpose is to drop within 10 metres of both CBs to receive the ball as an option and get on the half turn feeding balls to Evo and Wiles. Yet against Rotherham what did Hogg do? For no fucking reason stood still with zero movement, refusing to collect the ball, hence why Helik was having to try travel with the ball with no options, and inevitable having to play long ball as our ‘6’ was too busy being marked sat on the half way line. It’s truly horrid 6 play. Hodge HAS to be the difference maker for me and showed exactly what we needed in that role. Collect the fucking ball as an option from the CBs and split their 2 strikers, then your options open up. There’s a reason CDMs/6’s are now so expensive in the world of football, because they are so important to winning football games.Especially when you play the system we do. Effectively the 6 becomes the quarterback, the playmaker. In our formation/system I'd argue it's the MOST important position in our team. Not to slight on Hogg, but we cannot have Hogg in that pivot role whatsoever. I worry every time he gets the ball under pressure. He's technically not got the touch nor passing ability and the vision around him for that role. Holding/Tackling, chasing down, interceptions etc yes, but ball playing #6 absolutely not, I'm afraid. EDIT: I'd use Hogg sparingly and rely on his experience when we want to sure things up and tighten up in midfield. couldn’t agree more.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 2, 2024 22:47:23 GMT 1
Especially when you play the system we do. Effectively the 6 becomes the quarterback, the playmaker. In our formation/system I'd argue it's the MOST important position in our team. Not to slight on Hogg, but we cannot have Hogg in that pivot role whatsoever. I worry every time he gets the ball under pressure. He's technically not got the touch nor passing ability and the vision around him for that role. Holding/Tackling, chasing down, interceptions etc yes, but ball playing #6 absolutely not, I'm afraid. EDIT: I'd use Hogg sparingly and rely on his experience when we want to sure things up and tighten up in midfield. couldn’t agree more. People don’t seem to realise that some fans want to watch attacking front foot football. Not just defending all the time
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Post by ezzie on Sept 2, 2024 22:52:56 GMT 1
People don’t seem to realise that some fans want to watch attacking front foot football. Not just defending all the time Exactly, might be a poor example of opposition but that Morecambe game was so enjoyable to watch, Kane in the 6 position having a field day
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Post by Amigo on Sept 2, 2024 23:50:25 GMT 1
I'm obviously a fan of Hoggy so I may be biased but I'm fucking lost as to how he's getting the stick after the performances of Evans and Wiles in the last couple of games. They're both lacking pace and seem to watch the game go by. Why is Hogg always available for a pass but yet our two "creative" midfielders just watch on as he has to pass it back or wide to the wingbacks? I'd like to see the comparison on touches and passes from all 3 each game. We also never seem to do very well when we miss Hogg for a few weeks, and with all those mentioned, nobody has stepped up yet. Not every manager can be wrong to select him consistently, as poor as some of those managers have been. I think Evans and Wiles have been heavily criticised, however they aren't getting the ball as much as they should because of Hogg. He's not always available for a pass at all he's generally hiding behind a striker because he doesn't want and when he does get it he gives it straight back to where it came from which leads to us lumping it forward over Evans and Wiles. He won't turn around to see what's there it's not his game, but it's not helping us at all. Hogg is also giving away 3 fouls a game, nearly twice as many as any other player in our team (only 1 player in the league is higher and he's far higher than any other defensive player in the league, in the top 10 there's 1 defender and 1 other defensive midfielder) and they are often on dangerous positions. I've no idea what he's like in the changing room but for god knows how long when ever things start to go wrong on the pitch we don't seem to have any leadership and just fold. His on field leadership doesn't seem to be there despite him being in pretty much the perfect position to sort out defence and midfield when things are going wrong.
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Post by stevehtfc on Sept 3, 2024 0:28:41 GMT 1
Don't get the whole Hogg legend thing.
Think I could do a job at his role of staying 3metres away from CBs and tackle people and then shout at others when I do a bad pass backwards or sideways.
Just play Iorpenda and let's see some flair or something on the pitch. Or instead of playing with a CDM against Shrewsbury 🤦🏼♂️ Play with a CAM overload their area high up the pitch
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 3, 2024 1:21:29 GMT 1
Don't get the whole Hogg legend thing. Think I could do a job at his role of staying 3metres away from CBs and tackle people and then shout at others when I do a bad pass backwards or sideways. Just play Iorpenda and let's see some flair or something on the pitch. Or instead of playing with a CDM against Shrewsbury 🤦🏼♂️ Play with a CAM overload their area high up the pitch Both can be true. He arguably is a legend for his time here, in particular for the promotion season and the one after. You can think this and also that his shortcomings are now making some of those around him look worse.
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 3, 2024 6:25:43 GMT 1
I’m not sure who made the comment about the no.6 role.
It was a great point asking “why isn’t Hogg coming to collect the ball off the centre halves ?
Was he asked too ?
Every manager since Hogg arrived has consistently picked him.
That makes me think that Hogg listens to the manager and tries to carry out their instructions. Otherwise surely he wouldn’t have been selected so many times.
So is he being told not to collect the ball of the centre halves ?
I guess playing Kane there when fit might answer the question.
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Post by dezzly on Sept 3, 2024 6:38:09 GMT 1
I’m not sure who made the comment about the no.6 role. It was a great point asking “why isn’t Hogg coming to collect the ball off the centre halves ? Was he asked too ? Every manager since Hogg arrived has consistently picked him. That makes me think that Hogg listens to the manager and tries to carry out their instructions. Otherwise surely he wouldn’t have been selected so many times. So is he being told not to collect the ball of the centre halves ? I guess playing Kane there when fit might answer the question. I think it’s a mixture of yes he carries out certain instructions and he will be influential vocally on the pitch.When we’ve been in the champ we’ve largely struggled and been on the back foot so these traits in the no6 probably are prioritised over any technical or creative traits. I think now in league 1 I don’t think there has been a game where we’ve had below 50% possession of the ball,the priority is now how good can we be with the ball not without(whilst still maintaining a decent level off it) I doubt for a second he will have been told not to collect the ball.The initial outlet for the centre halves maybe to go wide to the wing backs I would imagine,but if teams have done their homework and want to put time and energy into stopping that forcing them back then really the onus is on the no6 to get on the ball and give another option.Not only be in space to receive it but when you do it surely has to go forward and take opposition players out of the game. Against Peterborough and morcambe the wing backs had uggins of space and we got forward with them which in turn meant we could get other midfielders on the ball higher up the pitch. The other teams we’ve played haven’t given that space wide and have tried to force the wing backs deeper to receive the ball,somewhat nullifying them and in turn the more advanced midfielders. If the 6 could offer another avenue to get the more advanced players in the game it not only gives us an option going through the middle but it probably as a knock on opens up more space for the wing backs.Essentially it just makes us harder to play against as less predictable. There would probably be games we’d miss him but I think someone who’s more progressive with the ball in that position would bring more benefit than downside. That’s how I see it anyway,I just think because Hogg can’t really get us out on the ball everyone including him ends up deeper and we lose impetus.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 3, 2024 7:18:09 GMT 1
Kane does knit the midfield together but the big issue was the lack of ball playing ability for the defence and particularly Hogg. Midfield spent all game watching the ball ping past them, over them or trying to chase it down but if they did win it back they had been pulled all out of position (the positioning should get less as the team develops and gets used to knowing where their places are etc) Players like Evans dont become sh/t overnight, it's too easy for people to just say they aren't good enough rather than look at the issues. Agreed, I’m so so close to putting some tactical analysis together with screenshots from games if I ever get the time just to highlight some of this from a technical perspective. So so poor to call Evan’s and Wiles out when your 6, who’s sole purpose is to drop within 10 metres of both CBs to receive the ball as an option and get on the half turn feeding balls to Evo and Wiles. Yet against Rotherham what did Hogg do? For no fucking reason stood still with zero movement, refusing to collect the ball, hence why Helik was having to try travel with the ball with no options, and inevitable having to play long ball as our ‘6’ was too busy being marked sat on the half way line. It’s truly horrid 6 play. Hodge HAS to be the difference maker for me and showed exactly what we needed in that role. Collect the fucking ball as an option from the CBs and split their 2 strikers, then your options open up. There’s a reason CDMs/6’s are now so expensive in the world of football, because they are so important to winning football games. Agree with this 100% as this is what I’m seeing. Personally I think Hogg has lost his mobility and doesn’t have the physical ability to do this job. Coupled with his obvious limitations, he is the reason why we struggle so much. There were times when the distance between our CB’s and midfield was massive, a good 20 yards, no wonder we had to resort to long ball to our forwards.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 3, 2024 8:25:40 GMT 1
How come everyone in last 3-4 seasons hasn’t replaced Hogg and at 35 years old he’s starting every game? Russell - static and soft Vallejo- static and made of glass Kasumu - fast furious can’t pass a ball and headless chicken Camara - static and didn’t want to mix it Here we are, moaning about Hogg. No replacement Not sure many will agree but I thought Vallejo was brilliant when fit. He had the ability to dictate tempo, read the game as good as any player since Mooy, and a really cool head in possession. Made Russell look mobile though! A fit Vallejo with a fit Balker and a fit Healey, all playing 40+ games, would be a strong back bone to build a team to get out of the Championship, never mind League 1 !
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 3, 2024 8:40:56 GMT 1
I'm obviously a fan of Hoggy so I may be biased but I'm fucking lost as to how he's getting the stick after the performances of Evans and Wiles in the last couple of games. They're both lacking pace and seem to watch the game go by. Why is Hogg always available for a pass but yet our two "creative" midfielders just watch on as he has to pass it back or wide to the wingbacks? I'd like to see the comparison on touches and passes from all 3 each game. We also never seem to do very well when we miss Hogg for a few weeks, and with all those mentioned, nobody has stepped up yet. Not every manager can be wrong to select him consistently, as poor as some of those managers have been. You can look it up easily here - www.sofascore.com/team/football/huddersfield-town/59Just click on the line up for any given game then click on the players. Whats clear is when we lose, Hogg sees far more of the game than the other two...no idea if thats because they go into hiding, or simply if we're losing there's more pressure into the area Hogg occupies. His passing is more accurate and doesnt lose possession as much as them, but again, he's generally passing from a safer part of the pitch. When we win, the numbers go a lot closer interestingly. What you can also see looking at the heatmaps, is when the opposition have a big midfield & attacking set-up, we tend to play 3-5-2, whereas if they play with 4 at the back we go more to the 3-1-4-2 shape. The exception to this being v Peterboro, where they had a pretty solid defensive 4-2-3-1, but we faced up to them with an attacking line up and trusted the 3 + Hogg - which of course resulted in our biggest win to date in this league season. Should we just impose ourselves more, trust we have the ability to overwhelm an opposition, AND THEN switch to something more solid if the hard running and pressure higher up the field wears us down over the course of a game?
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 3, 2024 8:41:17 GMT 1
Probably about time this thread was unpinned and allowed to set its own course?
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Post by hoggy1975 on Sept 3, 2024 9:08:53 GMT 1
Agreed, I’m so so close to putting some tactical analysis together with screenshots from games if I ever get the time just to highlight some of this from a technical perspective. So so poor to call Evan’s and Wiles out when your 6, who’s sole purpose is to drop within 10 metres of both CBs to receive the ball as an option and get on the half turn feeding balls to Evo and Wiles. Yet against Rotherham what did Hogg do? For no fucking reason stood still with zero movement, refusing to collect the ball, hence why Helik was having to try travel with the ball with no options, and inevitable having to play long ball as our ‘6’ was too busy being marked sat on the half way line. It’s truly horrid 6 play. Hodge HAS to be the difference maker for me and showed exactly what we needed in that role. Collect the fucking ball as an option from the CBs and split their 2 strikers, then your options open up. There’s a reason CDMs/6’s are now so expensive in the world of football, because they are so important to winning football games. Agree with this 100% as this is what I’m seeing. Personally I think Hogg has lost his mobility and doesn’t have the physical ability to do this job. Coupled with his obvious limitations, he is the reason why we struggle so much. There were times when the distance between our CB’s and midfield was massive, a good 20 yards, no wonder we had to resort to long ball to our forwards. I agree with your point, but why don’t wiles or Evans drop back to help? When he tries to bring the ball out or one of our cb’s, they all stand around point and it’s obvious they struggle. Just change tactics or they need to take it upon themselves to start the attack themselves instead of standing next to their marker and making no runs into space. I think Duff will have to adjust his tactics if he continues to play Hogg, Pearson, Helik etc who struggle on the ball.
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Post by andyboothscat on Sept 3, 2024 9:22:32 GMT 1
Not sure many will agree but I thought Vallejo was brilliant when fit. He had the ability to dictate tempo, read the game as good as any player since Mooy, and a really cool head in possession. Made Russell look mobile though! A fit Vallejo with a fit Balker and a fit Healey, all playing 40+ games, would be a strong back bone to build a team to get out of the Championship, never mind League 1 ! and we could play Santa Claus and the tooth fairy as wing backs!
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 3, 2024 9:46:44 GMT 1
Agree with this 100% as this is what I’m seeing. Personally I think Hogg has lost his mobility and doesn’t have the physical ability to do this job. Coupled with his obvious limitations, he is the reason why we struggle so much. There were times when the distance between our CB’s and midfield was massive, a good 20 yards, no wonder we had to resort to long ball to our forwards. I agree with your point, but why don’t wiles or Evans drop back to help? When he tries to bring the ball out or one of our cb’s, they all stand around point and it’s obvious they struggle. Just change tactics or they need to take it upon themselves to start the attack themselves instead of standing next to their marker and making no runs into space. I think Duff will have to adjust his tactics if he continues to play Hogg, Pearson, Helik etc who struggle on the ball. I don’t disagree with you there. In preseason you could clearly see the tactics were different and the midfielders were dropping deep and rotating. Nice triangles, nice one two’s, it was all very fluid and fast. As the season has progressed we’ve got more static as we go longer. Duff spoke about working on other tactics but at the moment I think we are better to keep it simple when we have so many limited passers of the ball. With regards to Helik, he’s the most overrated player, yes he scores goals, but he’s not great at his actual job which is building up from the back, he’s suspect at defending and this is compounded by him being so slow. Not sure which game it was, but there was an instance where we were defending and the opposition tried to play one over the top, he turned his back to run back and the ball hit him, not him intercepting the ball on purpose but the ball hit him like an u/12’s player with no idea. I was hoping we’d get a good offer for him, but who would buy a player who has consistently been relegated?
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Post by dewsburyborn on Sept 3, 2024 10:12:42 GMT 1
Anyone fancy a punt on Dwight Gayle ? 34 now, Derby last season 3 in 6; one year contract heavily based on appearance bonuses ?
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Post by digs on Sept 3, 2024 11:02:12 GMT 1
Anyone fancy a punt on Dwight Gayle ? 34 now, Derby last season 3 in 6; one year contract heavily based on appearance bonuses ? He's not short of a few quid he can sit at home and wait for a club that will give him a better offer
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