inapickle
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Post by inapickle on Sept 3, 2024 11:19:07 GMT 1
Similar situation to Dwight Gayle....but 3 yrs younger.... KEMAR ROOFE is a free agent. Or LYS MOUSETT was a mega big money signing at Sheffield Utd only 3 or 4 yrs ago - he is a free agent too - can't have gone so bad so quickly can he!!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 3, 2024 11:28:19 GMT 1
Similar situation to Dwight Gayle....but 3 yrs younger.... KEMAR ROOFE is a free agent. Or LYS MOUSETT was a mega big money signing at Sheffield Utd only 3 or 4 yrs ago - he is a free agent too - can't have gone so bad so quickly can he!! We've got to 'maximise' our current group of strikers. Not sure how that's possible when we can't get them fit? The only thing they're maximising atm are the physios.
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Post by Ross83 on Sept 3, 2024 11:32:30 GMT 1
I'm obviously a fan of Hoggy so I may be biased but I'm fucking lost as to how he's getting the stick after the performances of Evans and Wiles in the last couple of games. They're both lacking pace and seem to watch the game go by. Why is Hogg always available for a pass but yet our two "creative" midfielders just watch on as he has to pass it back or wide to the wingbacks? I'd like to see the comparison on touches and passes from all 3 each game. We also never seem to do very well when we miss Hogg for a few weeks, and with all those mentioned, nobody has stepped up yet. Not every manager can be wrong to select him consistently, as poor as some of those managers have been. You can look it up easily here - www.sofascore.com/team/football/huddersfield-town/59Just click on the line up for any given game then click on the players. Whats clear is when we lose, Hogg sees far more of the game than the other two...no idea if thats because they go into hiding, or simply if we're losing there's more pressure into the area Hogg occupies. His passing is more accurate and doesnt lose possession as much as them, but again, he's generally passing from a safer part of the pitch. When we win, the numbers go a lot closer interestingly. What you can also see looking at the heatmaps, is when the opposition have a big midfield & attacking set-up, we tend to play 3-5-2, whereas if they play with 4 at the back we go more to the 3-1-4-2 shape. The exception to this being v Peterboro, where they had a pretty solid defensive 4-2-3-1, but we faced up to them with an attacking line up and trusted the 3 + Hogg - which of course resulted in our biggest win to date in this league season. Should we just impose ourselves more, trust we have the ability to overwhelm an opposition, AND THEN switch to something more solid if the hard running and pressure higher up the field wears us down over the course of a game? Very informative, thanks for sharing that. You want to get your CV sent over
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inapickle
Chris Hay Terrier
Well its all sorted with the new owner so hopefully we will be able to get some 'Soccer' played!!
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Post by inapickle on Sept 3, 2024 12:15:51 GMT 1
Similar situation to Dwight Gayle....but 3 yrs younger.... KEMAR ROOFE is a free agent. Or LYS MOUSETT was a mega big money signing at Sheffield Utd only 3 or 4 yrs ago - he is a free agent too - can't have gone so bad so quickly can he!! RAVEL MORRISON is also available as a FREE AGENT too.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Sept 3, 2024 12:17:13 GMT 1
We ain't signing anyone.....We've got 5 amazing strikers! lol
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Sept 3, 2024 12:31:56 GMT 1
I think the club should arrange for Healey to have an op on his groin injury if that is what is needed to get him back to fitness and enable him to train fully. Pointless having this rest-play-injured cycle. A short term deal for a free agent to cover.
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Sept 3, 2024 12:39:18 GMT 1
I think the club should arrange for Healey to have an op on his groin injury if that is what is needed to get him back to fitness and enable him to train fully. Pointless having this rest-play-injured cycle. A short term deal for a free agent to cover. I've been saying this, but now Paterson said it WAS in his groin, but the scan showed nothing significant, so i dunno, what can they actually do? Apparently the issue is now elsewhere 🙄
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 3, 2024 12:44:35 GMT 1
I'm obviously a fan of Hoggy so I may be biased but I'm fucking lost as to how he's getting the stick after the performances of Evans and Wiles in the last couple of games. They're both lacking pace and seem to watch the game go by. Why is Hogg always available for a pass but yet our two "creative" midfielders just watch on as he has to pass it back or wide to the wingbacks? I'd like to see the comparison on touches and passes from all 3 each game. We also never seem to do very well when we miss Hogg for a few weeks, and with all those mentioned, nobody has stepped up yet. Not every manager can be wrong to select him consistently, as poor as some of those managers have been. You can look it up easily here - www.sofascore.com/team/football/huddersfield-town/59Just click on the line up for any given game then click on the players. Whats clear is when we lose, Hogg sees far more of the game than the other two...no idea if thats because they go into hiding, or simply if we're losing there's more pressure into the area Hogg occupies. His passing is more accurate and doesnt lose possession as much as them, but again, he's generally passing from a safer part of the pitch. When we win, the numbers go a lot closer interestingly. What you can also see looking at the heatmaps, is when the opposition have a big midfield & attacking set-up, we tend to play 3-5-2, whereas if they play with 4 at the back we go more to the 3-1-4-2 shape. The exception to this being v Peterboro, where they had a pretty solid defensive 4-2-3-1, but we faced up to them with an attacking line up and trusted the 3 + Hogg - which of course resulted in our biggest win to date in this league season. Should we just impose ourselves more, trust we have the ability to overwhelm an opposition, AND THEN switch to something more solid if the hard running and pressure higher up the field wears us down over the course of a game? Duff did mention this in preseason, he said that to play the system the players need to completely trust it and their teammates, but that the hangover and mentality from last season would be the biggest issue and would take time to rebuild those aspects.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 3, 2024 12:54:01 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg.
Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc...
He is. He has been all along.
Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick.
Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue.
Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics.
Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles.
CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM.
Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team.
It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become.
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Post by hoggy1975 on Sept 3, 2024 12:58:15 GMT 1
Nearly half the team at Rotherham were new players. Nicholls and koroma have been playing well also. If the mentality of your hoggs, lees, wiles etc aren’t up to scratch, why did we keep them?
The owner has money apparently. If it was an issue we should have done more to rectify the squad.
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Post by araucaria on Sept 3, 2024 13:15:44 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg. Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc... He is. He has been all along. Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick. Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue. Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics. Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles. CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM. Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team. It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become. The 2021-22 season under Carlos was the only one of Hogg's 11 seasons here where we had better results when he didn't play than when he did. Last season I think he missed 12 games - we won with the last kick against Millwall, drew 4 and lost 7.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 3, 2024 13:33:58 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg. Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc... He is. He has been all along. Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick. Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue. Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics. Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles. CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM. Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team. It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become. The 2021-22 season under Carlos was the only one of Hogg's 11 seasons here where we had better results when he didn't play than when he did. Last season I think he missed 12 games - we won with the last kick against Millwall, drew 4 and lost 7. Not really a positive thing when we’ve only had 2 of them season above 16th in the league.
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Post by araucaria on Sept 3, 2024 13:46:56 GMT 1
The 2021-22 season under Carlos was the only one of Hogg's 11 seasons here where we had better results when he didn't play than when he did. Last season I think he missed 12 games - we won with the last kick against Millwall, drew 4 and lost 7. Not really a positive thing when we’ve only had 2 of them season above 16th in the league. I wasn't presenting it as a positive thing because actually it's fucking awful and it isn't Hogg's fault that we almost always do worse when he's injured or suspended. I've had a closer look at that 2021-22 season - when we did finish above 16th - and who subbed for Hogg in most of the games he missed? Scott High, who started 14 league games that season (4 with Hogg, 10 without) and somehow it resulted in W7 D5 L2. It's obvious that the issue isn't Hogg, it's how to replace him successfully. Why has Carlos, in one season only, been the only one able to do it - so far?
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 3, 2024 14:12:15 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg. Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc... He is. He has been all along. Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick. Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue. Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics. Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles. CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM. Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team. It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become. His speed has gone, it doesn’t matter how fit you are at that point, if you can’t track a runner in his position, you are done. He’s stayed a season too long.
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Post by prestonrues1 on Sept 3, 2024 14:24:13 GMT 1
Age in football is a killer , unfortunately players do reach a point where their abilities fade, time will tell with Hogg the last 2 games haven’t been good.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Sept 3, 2024 14:30:48 GMT 1
Anyone fancy a punt on Dwight Gayle ? 34 now, Derby last season 3 in 6; one year contract heavily based on appearance bonuses ? He's not short of a few quid he can sit at home and wait for a club that will give him a better offer Not many will now at 34. Hasn't featured much in a few years, other than off the bench.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 3, 2024 14:32:12 GMT 1
Not really a positive thing when we’ve only had 2 of them season above 16th in the league. I wasn't presenting it as a positive thing because actually it's fucking awful and it isn't Hogg's fault that we almost always do worse when he's injured or suspended. I've had a closer look at that 2021-22 season - when we did finish above 16th - and who subbed for Hogg in most of the games he missed? Scott High, who started 14 league games that season (4 with Hogg, 10 without) and somehow it resulted in W7 D5 L2. It's obvious that the issue isn't Hogg, it's how to replace him successfully. Why has Carlos, in one season only, been the only one able to do it - so far? it’s not even Hogg as a player really. It’s more the mentality he suggests. Most teams need a player to break up play but it’s become a joke how defensive Hogg is. I always think about how many other teams in our league would use a 35 year old defensive player who will never score or create and who’s defending isn’t even good anymore. Yet our club probably pays him 10 grand a week, calls him the general and paints a wall dedicated to him. It’s acceptance of mediocrity
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Sept 3, 2024 14:32:14 GMT 1
Similar situation to Dwight Gayle....but 3 yrs younger.... KEMAR ROOFE is a free agent. Or LYS MOUSETT was a mega big money signing at Sheffield Utd only 3 or 4 yrs ago - he is a free agent too - can't have gone so bad so quickly can he!! RAVEL MORRISON is also available as a FREE AGENT too. great talent but his head is a skip fire
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 3, 2024 14:51:04 GMT 1
RAVEL MORRISON is also available as a FREE AGENT too. great talent but his head is a skip fire Was very very close to signing couple years ago but due to a second opinion on a medical we opted against. Something to do with his hip.
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 3, 2024 15:11:11 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg. Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc... He is. He has been all along. Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick. Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue. Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics. Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles. CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM. Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team. It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become.We should have given Etienne Camara much more of an opportunity to see what he could have become. He was promised he'd get lots of game time by Bromby and a succession of Managers, who then just kept picking Hogg, mainly due to his experience "Etienne, I'm selecting Hogg because of his experience and leadership, we don't have many leaders on the pitch. In our position, we need his leadership and experience. Your chance will come, just be patient." That's what Etienne will remember from his time at Town. I'm hoping we don't make that same mistake with Iorpenda
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 3, 2024 15:18:43 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg. Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc... He is. He has been all along. Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick. Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue. Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics. Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles. CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM. Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team. It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become.We should have given Etienne Camara much more of an opportunity to see what he could have become. He was promised he'd get lots of game time by Bromby and a succession of Managers, who then just kept picking Hogg, mainly due to his experience "Etienne, I'm selecting Hogg because of his experience and leadership, we don't have many leaders on the pitch. In our position, we need his leadership and experience. Your chance will come, just be patient." That's what Etienne will remember from his time at Town. I'm hoping we don't make that same mistake with Iorpenda I’m sounding like I have a vendetta against Hogg but I do find it funny that people who like him can only mention his experience and any thing else is from ages ago. Nobody on that side of the opinion ever mentions what he’s like now. Even when camara was here you could see he had a bit about him, but town never give youth players a proper chance. Or at least not the right ones, Scott high has played about 50 games and camara played about 10
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 3, 2024 16:14:39 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg. Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc... He is. He has been all along. Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick. Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue. Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics. Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles. CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM. Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team. It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become. I thought we should’ve moved him on when we got to the PL and said so on here. Crazy to think he’s still losing the ball and passing sideways and backwards for us 7 years later.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 3, 2024 16:33:44 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg. Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc... He is. He has been all along. Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick. Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue. Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics. Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles. CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM. Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team. It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become. I thought we should’ve moved him on when we got to the PL and said so on here. Crazy to think he’s still losing the ball and passing sideways and backwards for us 7 years later. I wish I’d have used this years ago because I’ve been saying it for years. People who sit near me probably know how much I dislike him but it’s amazing that people are only just seeing he’s naff when it’s nearly 2025
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Post by crux on Sept 3, 2024 17:11:14 GMT 1
If we're playing 3 centre halves, then the only place to play Hogg is one of the centre halves. Otherwise you just end up playing with 4 centre halves! Which works great when you're under the cosh for 90 minutes and need to be compact. Absolutely chuffing useless if you want to stretch the opposition.
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Post by detox on Sept 3, 2024 17:19:41 GMT 1
He's not short of a few quid he can sit at home and wait for a club that will give him a better offer Not many will now at 34. Hasn't featured much in a few years, other than off the bench. Thing about getting a 'known' striker in...despite his age he will distract defenders simply by his presence thereby (hopefully) creating some space for other attacking players ? We could of course kept Jordan...
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 3, 2024 17:50:16 GMT 1
Not many will now at 34. Hasn't featured much in a few years, other than off the bench. Thing about getting a 'known' striker in...despite his age he will distract defenders simply by his presence thereby (hopefully) creating some space for other attacking players ? We could of course kept Jordan... I get your point but Rhodes has done nothing for Blackpool so far this season. Bad times when we want a past it 35 year old back to replace our past it 34 year old.
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Post by dm on Sept 3, 2024 17:50:38 GMT 1
If we're playing 3 centre halves, then the only place to play Hogg is one of the centre halves. Otherwise you just end up playing with 4 centre halves! Which works great when you're under the cosh for 90 minutes and need to be compact. Absolutely chuffing useless if you want to stretch the opposition. A 5 foot 7 centre back?!
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Post by crux on Sept 3, 2024 18:19:34 GMT 1
If we're playing 3 centre halves, then the only place to play Hogg is one of the centre halves. Otherwise you just end up playing with 4 centre halves! Which works great when you're under the cosh for 90 minutes and need to be compact. Absolutely chuffing useless if you want to stretch the opposition. A 5 foot 7 centre back?! I never said he'd be any good there, although to be fair to him he didn't do too badly a few seasons ago under Carlos Corboran when he did play there. But when he plays in midfield he's that deep, he becomes an auxiliary centre half.
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 3, 2024 18:22:50 GMT 1
I think the club should arrange for Healey to have an op on his groin injury if that is what is needed to get him back to fitness and enable him to train fully. Pointless having this rest-play-injured cycle. A short term deal for a free agent to cover. I've been saying this, but now Paterson said it WAS in his groin, but the scan showed nothing significant, so i dunno, what can they actually do? Apparently the issue is now elsewhere 🙄 Let's hope it's not a knee cyst, as we know those things can go on and on and on and on...
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Post by stevehtfc on Sept 3, 2024 18:23:59 GMT 1
Think that some people on here have very short memories about Hogg. Those saying that he isn't the player he was etc... He is. He has been all along. Even David Wagner said that Hogg was protector and that Mooy was the one to make it tick. Heck, Mooy often had to come short to collect the ball and start a movement that he would then need to get up field to continue. Hogg has never been a ball player and he has been exposed many times for the same problems when trying to include the 6 role in the tactics. Various players have dropped back and helped out, Carlos C had players such as O'Brien, Russel and Eiting, playing those roles. CC didn't play Hogg all the time, he even played him as CB on a few occasions with Russel and O'Brien taking up the middle CM. Hogg isn't a new problem. He's just a fan favourite due to his style. He's fit and a machine which is great. He probably gets in the team because he is in our top 6/7 players but in my opinion if we had a stronger in that position he wouldn't be in the team. It's time we blood another for that role to see what they can become.We should have given Etienne Camara much more of an opportunity to see what he could have become. He was promised he'd get lots of game time by Bromby and a succession of Managers, who then just kept picking Hogg, mainly due to his experience "Etienne, I'm selecting Hogg because of his experience and leadership, we don't have many leaders on the pitch. In our position, we need his leadership and experience. Your chance will come, just be patient." That's what Etienne will remember from his time at Town. I'm hoping we don't make that same mistake with Iorpenda Totally agree
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