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Post by runner76 on May 2, 2024 13:44:46 GMT 1
Q - why is Cartwright still in a job given the massive problems within the footballing culture of the club, which is down to his 'leadership'
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Post by boooothy on May 2, 2024 14:46:52 GMT 1
Great point. Bring back that “scoreboard” from leeds road like a cricket scorecard with a guy inside moving numbers around on pieces of wood. Felt like you needed a degree to work out the scores  It was like some kind of code that was absolutely useless without the program |
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Post by irverino on May 2, 2024 14:47:34 GMT 1
When do you land?.....Think Mr Nagle needs to get himself over here pretty damn quick.
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Post by boooothy on May 2, 2024 14:55:52 GMT 1
Q - why is Cartwright still in a job given the massive problems within the footballing culture of the club, which is down to his 'leadership' Think it goes back further than him. That chancer Fotheringham knew what was wrong but they just laughed at him. |
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Post by impact on May 2, 2024 17:24:04 GMT 1
Bit like the stadium shares being put in a trust, not wanting/expecting to get money back, not blowing our brains, not sleepwalking into relegation Could go on For a lot of good DH did he could spin a good yarn and play up to the fans Should have been a politician. Edit, sorry, I quoted the wrong post of yours. It should have gone in here, apologies. Hoyle actually recently had an opportunity to put the stadium shares in a trust, secure a zero interest loan from the council to fund stadium infrastructure investments, and gain operational control of the ground for the club. But he killed the deal - that was ready to go - when he came back in after Hodgkinson went bust. Because he wanted to sell the shares. huddersfieldhub.co.uk/exclusive-new-fears-for-john-smiths-stadium-after-huddersfield-town-owner-dean-hoyle-pulls-plug-on-community-trust-deal/Do you have any actual information on this? Because all I could remember is him saying the deal wasn't a good one so pulled it and not much other info. Given how poor Hodgkinson has shown to have been at business, could it not have simply been it was a bad deal? |
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Post by incognito on May 2, 2024 17:49:10 GMT 1
Do you have any actual information on this? Because all I could remember is him saying the deal wasn't a good one so pulled it and not much other info. Given how poor Hodgkinson has shown to have been at business, could it not have simply been it was a bad deal? I shouldn't have thought he was too keen on effectively loading the club with £13m of debt to pay for repairs and upgrades on an asset it still wouldn't own at the end of it. He will have also seen that the council is broke and HTAFC just needs to be patient. Phil needed the additional revenue from an expanded stadium operation ASAP as he was unlikely to have the same accessible cash to plug our annual deficit once the parachute payments ended. |
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Post by 747max on May 2, 2024 19:13:41 GMT 1
Can i have a taxi laid on to get me to the ground and can we have £3 a pint the following week after a win and £1 a pint for the usual dross loss?
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Post by Tinpot on May 2, 2024 19:56:35 GMT 1
Q - why is Cartwright still in a job given the massive problems within the footballing culture of the club, which is down to his 'leadership' I'm not wholeheartedly behind Mr. Cartwright myself, but some of the problems stemmed from stuff before he arrived. |
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Post by ben1987 on May 2, 2024 20:37:03 GMT 1
Do you have any actual information on this? Because all I could remember is him saying the deal wasn't a good one so pulled it and not much other info. Given how poor Hodgkinson has shown to have been at business, could it not have simply been it was a bad deal? I shouldn't have thought he was too keen on effectively loading the club with £13m of debt to pay for repairs and upgrades on an asset it still wouldn't own at the end of it. He will have also seen that the council is broke and HTAFC just needs to be patient. Phil needed the additional revenue from an expanded stadium operation ASAP as he was unlikely to have the same accessible cash to plug our annual deficit once the parachute payments ended. I could have quoted either post impact so apologies for doing it like this but it’s hard to say. The question I’d have: Assuming he wanted the club to take on the stadium, how else would DH propose to cover the capex needed to extend the stadium’s life to 2050 if not through a zero interest loan — especially since there’s no scenario where the club or its owner would own the freehold on the land? At the time, when asked at the ATT the Town reps basically ruled out owner investment, investment from club cash flow, and a private loan … My assumption is DH was never interested in the stadium. You’re no doubt right about PH as well. At the most recent ATT Jake Edwards said Kevin Nagle or the club would have to cover these costs directly if they get operational control of the stadium. |
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Post by goodbet on May 2, 2024 21:24:53 GMT 1
Q - why is Cartwright still in a job given the massive problems within the footballing culture of the club, which is down to his 'leadership' I'm not wholeheartedly behind Mr. Cartwright myself, but some of the problems stemmed from stuff before he arrived. We need change and we can only change what we have now, we can't go back and change Dean or Phil. |
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Post by sabailand on May 2, 2024 21:29:56 GMT 1
Q - Whats the capital of Grenada.
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Post by Tinpot on May 2, 2024 21:49:54 GMT 1
I'm not wholeheartedly behind Mr. Cartwright myself, but some of the problems stemmed from stuff before he arrived. We need change and we can only change what we have now, we can't go back and change Dean or Phil. I agree. I just question whether blaming MC for things that happened before his arrival is necessarily the most productive way forwards. |
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Post by goodbet on May 2, 2024 21:56:40 GMT 1
We need change and we can only change what we have now, we can't go back and change Dean or Phil. I agree. I just question whether blaming MC for things that happened before his arrival is necessarily the most productive way forwards. I think that there is enough of not only what he did do, but also what he did not do to make us look at other options. |
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Post by townarentbest on May 2, 2024 23:07:10 GMT 1
Q - Whats the capital of Grenada. G |
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Post by sabailand on May 2, 2024 23:54:28 GMT 1
Q - Whats the capital of Grenada. G  |
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Post by kiwiblue on May 2, 2024 23:58:21 GMT 1
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Post by Floyds on May 3, 2024 6:20:36 GMT 1
Felt like you needed a degree to work out the scores It was like some kind of code that was absolutely useless without the program I was a kid then and NEVER had a programme - don’t obviously never made any sense 😂 Spent half time at the kiosk on the Terrace towards the Cowshed trying to get a Wagon Wheel / Bovril 😊 |
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Post by townarentbest on May 3, 2024 9:14:55 GMT 1
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The comms from Kevin and others over the pond has been open and honest and infectiously enthusiastic since day 1.
Has it been a conscious decision that the actual club messaging, marketing and focus on trying to engage on match-days has been pretty much as non-existent and downbeat as its been in more than 10 years?? It seems the anti-thesis of an American approach.
We've heard rumblings of, "wait till next season" - but football is ALWAYS about THIS season.
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Post by mosher on May 3, 2024 13:07:40 GMT 1
C'mon sabs you ought to have known at least one of us would have given you that reply |
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Post by bentley316 on May 3, 2024 15:10:02 GMT 1
What are 3 things he is happy about/proud of in his first year of ownership?
Im looking for shoots of positivity.
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Post by sabailand on May 3, 2024 15:36:26 GMT 1
C'mon sabs you ought to have known at least one of us would have given you that reply Yes you're right tbh, on the other hand its also a polite way of saying fuck knows.  |
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Post by incognito on May 3, 2024 16:25:26 GMT 1
I shouldn't have thought he was too keen on effectively loading the club with £13m of debt to pay for repairs and upgrades on an asset it still wouldn't own at the end of it. He will have also seen that the council is broke and HTAFC just needs to be patient. Phil needed the additional revenue from an expanded stadium operation ASAP as he was unlikely to have the same accessible cash to plug our annual deficit once the parachute payments ended. I could have quoted either post impact so apologies for doing it like this but it’s hard to say. The question I’d have: Assuming he wanted the club to take on the stadium, how else would DH propose to cover the capex needed to extend the stadium’s life to 2050 if not through a zero interest loan — especially since there’s no scenario where the club or its owner would own the freehold on the land? At the time, when asked at the ATT the Town reps basically ruled out owner investment, investment from club cash flow, and a private loan … My assumption is DH was never interested in the stadium. You’re no doubt right about PH as well. At the most recent ATT Jake Edwards said Kevin Nagle or the club would have to cover these costs directly if they get operational control of the stadium. I'd imagine it ultimately boiled down to differences of opinion over what return (turnover uplift) the club could realistically expect on the investment. It's probably fair to suggest that PH has an above-average tolerance to risk. This and the likely reality that it HAD to work to support his ownership model may have led to a heavier emphasis on best case scenarios. Probably more significant is the fact that, by the time DH pulled the plug in Spring 2022, the economic climate had changed quite dramatically: high inflation / cost-of-living / shrinking disposable incomes. Quite plausible that the numbers from the original proposal no longer made sense. Has there been any mention - through ATT or elsewhere - of the status of the hotel? (As far as I can see planning permission lapses in July.) I'd have thought a decent chunk of PH's projections hinged on having that in place to be able to ramp up the conferencing offering. |
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Post by detox on May 3, 2024 17:42:53 GMT 1
I don't see any concerts scheduled at the JSS this summer...might be looking in the wrong place ?
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Post by cuz on May 3, 2024 17:53:36 GMT 1
I don't see any concerts scheduled at the JSS this summer...might be looking in the wrong place ? No concerts but I understand Billy Smart will be pitching his big top on the centre circle. |
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Post by townarentbest on May 3, 2024 17:56:36 GMT 1
I don't see any concerts scheduled at the JSS this summer...might be looking in the wrong place ? Yup, try looking in Halifax Piece Hall. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 3, 2024 19:07:36 GMT 1
when is kev doing this Q and A ? thanks if anyone knows.
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Post by boooothy on May 3, 2024 19:12:08 GMT 1
Longer term will other investors be coming onboard?
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Post by steo1986 on May 3, 2024 19:24:35 GMT 1
when is kev doing this Q and A ? thanks if anyone knows. Thank you Dom. I will answer each of these questions (and more) in my end of year diary this weekend once the season has officially concluded. And thank you for your patience, Town fans. UTT |
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Post by kennyk2 on May 3, 2024 19:29:17 GMT 1
Longer term will other investors be coming onboard? I think they might be running a mile. |
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Post by showboater on May 3, 2024 20:08:38 GMT 1
I don't see any concerts scheduled at the JSS this summer...might be looking in the wrong place ? They’ve had a circus there all season, what more do you want? |
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