Is it just me....

[dugnet]

Or is anyone else thoroughly disillusioned and exhausted by events at our football club? I can't say I'm that fussed about AB deciding not to take the challenge forward but it is another example of the instability and, apparently, chaotic way we have been run these past couple of years particularly.

We enter a different challenge and we really need to be prepared. For all the positive rhetoric it feels like we continue to bumble along hopng for the best. At some point the circus needs to stop and we need become a credible, focused organisation again. I'm sure those in charge may, significantly, baulk at my view as being unduly negative but they need to look at things from a fans viewpoint.

Right now is the opportunity to really reset the club. Be committed to being confident about the future and backing it up with tangible actions. Tangible actions delivered by enthusiastic, positive and capable people. People who are capable of engaging with the fanbase and creating a bond that unites and is compelling. For all what I am sure are well intended words I don't see enough to support those words. This is the time to prove me wrong and go in new direction.

I've renewed my season ticket, although my confidence in the immediate future is not overly optimistic, but challenge those in charge to start to show some real ambition, desire and determination to make our great club as good as it can be. We have fallen way below that potential these past couple of years.

I will watch with interest how this next appointment is approached to see something that makes me feel we are actually moving in the right direction.

As fans we comment, debate and argue for the same reason, because we all care about the club. We desperately need to see something different and better otherwise this malaise will turn into apathy. Once apathy sets in it really is a long way back.

Apologies for starting another thread but, as a long standing fan, the exasperation at another week of a positive veneer of words (that's how I feel about things right now) and all evidence pointing to us scrambling around to make another key decision, was just the last straw.

As ever I hope for the best, but the realist in me is telling me the carnival might not yet be over. I hope I am wrong.

[oneneilwarnock]

May 11, 2024 5:38:18 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Or is anyone else thoroughly disillusioned and exhausted by events at our football club? I can't say I'm that fussed about AB deciding not to take the challenge forward but it is another example of the instability and, apparently, chaotic way we have been run these past couple of years particularly.

We enter a different challenge and we really need to be prepared. For all the positive rhetoric it feels like we continue to bumble along hopng for the best. At some point the circus needs to stop and we need become a credible, focused organisation again. I'm sure those in charge may, significantly, baulk at my view as being unduly negative but they need to look at things from a fans viewpoint.

Right now is the opportunity to really reset the club. Be committed to being confident about the future and backing it up with tangible actions. Tangible actions delivered by enthusiastic, positive and capable people. People who are capable of engaging with the fanbase and creating a bond that unites and is compelling. For all what I am sure are well intended words I don't see enough to support those words. This is the time to prove me wrong and go in new direction.

I've renewed my season ticket, although my confidence in the immediate future is not overly optimistic, but challenge those in charge to start to show some real ambition, desire and determination to make our great club as good as it can be. We have fallen way below that potential these past couple of years.

I will watch with interest how this next appointment is approached to see something that makes me feel we are actually moving in the right direction.

As fans we comment, debate and argue for the same reason, because we all care about the club. We desperately need to see something different and better otherwise this malaise will turn into apathy. Once apathy sets in it really is a long way back.

Apologies for starting another thread but, as a long standing fan, the exasperation at another week of a positive veneer of words (that's how I feel about things right now) and all evidence pointing to us scrambling around to make another key decision, was just the last straw.

As ever I hope for the best, but the realist in me is telling me the carnival might not yet be over. I hope I am wrong.

It’s not just you Dugnet, a continuation of bad decisions going right back to the premier league has left the majority of our fan base feeling disillusioned. Think the final one for me was when Hoyle sold obrien and toffolo to Forest after they’d just screwed us over in a playoff final and pocketed the cash investing basically nothing back into the team. Hence how we are stuck with zero ability to attack/pass the ball down the left hand side.

I’ve seen nothing from new ownership to give me any confidence they have the slightest clue what they are doing. Last season was a complete train wreck. They had an opportunity for a fresh start this off season, total reset. Most the fans were on board after Andres comments and they’ve already started with a howler.

Andre clearly wasn’t staying at any point, I do wonder if he told them after the Swansea game. The issue is things were bad when we had Bromby as director of football. It’s even worse now we have Cartwright he’s nothing more than a car salesman who lives off a couple of good decisions at Stoke and appears to have forgotten the multitude of bad ones he made.

Every football club has ups and downs look at Manchester United. The issue is our highs have lasted such short amounts of time over the last 12 years everyone is just beaten up.

We needed ownership who had a clear direction and methodology as to how they could return us to some level of clear success. The AZ route would have been great data analytics that’s what somebody of our nature needs. Instead we have a bloke who knows little about the English game, won’t commit to how he’s funding the club and wants to battle with fans and managers alongside his buddy on twitter and id be shocked if he’s not on here too.

Who knows maybe I’m reading it wrong but definitely fear things could get even worse at this point. Sac fans themselves say he’s promise the earth but not delivered on a lot of it. I guess we just wait and see.

[htafcokay]

Not just you. I'm totally exhausted with it all. I'd got to that stage last season towards the end of the Fotheringham era. I was willing to give him a chance but he'd lost me before Christmas and he should have gone when we lost to Watford at home, but he struggled on for another couple of months and it was terrible. The brief Pelach era was one of the lowest I've ever felt as a Town fan and that Wigan game was probably the most inept performance I've watched.

Neil Warnock was the only reason I got back into it last season, mostly because I'd not witnessed his first tenure in the 1990s and also because I was so sure he'd keep us up. I only ever wavered once, and that was the 4-0 defeat to Coventry. Also, he united the fanbase and it was brilliant to see that.

I was gutted when he went, but when Darren Moore got the job he deserved a chance, but even he lost me after about six games. The Worthington era was a nice throwback for a short while, before even that fizzled out. And this is what gets me, if it was so good, why were they booed off at half-time against Wednesday and at half-time against Hull? Anyway...

The whole Breitenreiter era passed by in a daze, really. I'm just not enjoying it anymore and haven't done for a good while now. There's nothing to enjoy. Yeah, there's fans out there that enjoy it whether we win, lose or draw but I've never been able to do that. If we win, I'm happy, if we lose it ruins my weekend. That's just the way it is and that's the way it'll always be. But at least years ago, we won games, or at least scored goals but we barely do that anymore. It's just exhausting, and now with the constant managerial changes every few months, you don't even have enough time to hate the managers!!

I just want to see a manager in the job for a year, a bit of stability and something to get behind. I want to have some fans' favourites again and some players that are actually likeable and get you off your seat. I see none of that at present.

I'll be holding off renewing until I see who the new manager is. I can't stomach another season of watching those same players, possibly under a cheap option such as Jon Worthington, as much as I like the guy from his playing days, I just don't think he's the right man for the job. I want to be able to enjoy watching my team like I used to, but until I see something to get behind, I won't be renewing.

[terriersyndrome]

I've never felt such a disconnect with the club in almost 35 years supporting them. We've always had good characters at the club that genuinely cared, whether that be players or managers, but now we just have a team full to the brim of complete bellends that don't give a shit barring a few genuine pros like Hogg, Helik, Lees, Pearson, etc.

It's been a downward spiral of poor recruitment, endless managers and shit football over the last couple of seasons and we are now where we deserve to be, league 1.

It's going to be a massive summer and Kev needs to spend a big chunk of it over here to make sure the club are making the right decisions to push the club forward and arrest the death spiral.

[haskins]

I’m sitting here eating my porridge and purely by coincidence “The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Anymore” is on the radio while I browse the Wikipedia entry on Christopher Schindler. Like the opening scene to a Romcom that’s turned into a tragedy. Now it’s “You Can’t Hurry Love” - “How long must I wait how much mor can I take”

Think I need to go for a walk.

[fredcarno1]

The club is going to avoid a lot of the deserved flak due to the freeze on season ticket prices. If we’d parted company with our latest manager on the back of a decent rise in season ticket prices the fanbase would have been even more critical than they have been up to press.

Big concern for me is we’re just appear to be absolutely rudderless, we’ve imo a good owner who has good intentions but his been absolutely conned by a DOF who is on the evidence of the last 12 months absolutely clueless. I just can’t see what him and Edwards are trying to do with the playing side, no plan of how we want to recruit or play.

Can see him waste a load more of Nagles money in the summer and is still looking like an unorganised rabble. Think under Cartwright’s control things could get even worse before they get better.

[terrier10]

I renewed mine and the kids’ Season Cards on Day 1.

The club can be a shit show but it’s still my club.

Nothing better to do on a weekend.

I’m actually quite looking forward to it - a chance to shift some of the dross that has seen us struggle for so long and have a reset.

Am I overly confident the club will get things right? The last few years doesn’t suggest I should be but I do have an intrigue.

I would say at least it’s exciting, always something going on and we have become a “banter club” as the kids now say (apparently).

I just hope I can start going to games with a genuine hope of seeing us compete and regularly picking up points. Momentum can be built and maintained which brings about a feel good factor.

Gutted we got relegated but genuinely hope it’s the reset that we need.

[Big Ern]

Well you certainly can't call us boring. I feel like next season will be all guns blazing arseholing everyone or a deeper dive. No inbetween. We must get this manager right.

[ambryboy]

When Schindler's penalty went in at Wembley I genuinely thought it would make a lasting change in the club's fortunes. Instead of being just a bargain basement club scuzzing around at the lower end of the Championship before inevitably dropping into Leagues 1/2 for a few years and awaiting the next false dawn, I thought we could finally become a top end Championship outfit with regular forays into the greedy league and emulate someone like Burnley. Instead, that spot kick at Wembley seems to have been the catalyst for a period of self-destruction fueled by the belief that we don't really belong in the top 30.

I find this mindset quite bewildering and disappointing although after 50+ years watching Town it is not really surprising.

[thomo]

We're an absolute joke.

There was always a good chance we'd be relegated - surely AB would have been asked if he was happy to manage in league one. Actually it sounds like we didn't ask that. In that case he was the wrong choice from day one!

Now I fully expect players who don't deserve another chance to get exactly that under a new manager and I've no doubt they'll still turn out to be shit/disinterested.

Even if we do manage to achieve the player turnover we need it was unlikely to 'gel' straight away under AB - there seems even less chance under a new manager.

KN himself said the best chance of getting promoted would be this year coming but it completely looks like we're gonna screw that up so I'm not sure where that leaves us for 25/26 season with even less budget. Basically we seem to be completed fucked forever.

I'm like the guy above, waiting to see what state we're in come August before renewing. Yes I'll lose my seat but it wasn't that great anyway. It's not the cost of the ticket, I'd agree £249 is a bargain for a season ticket of any professional football team, but it's not if the entertainment level is zilch. And it's more the opportunity cost of being sat in that stadium watching a bunch of absolute wankers toss it off on the pitch week in week out.

If I don't renew frankly there's loads of things I could be doing that will be guaranteed to be more entertaining and enjoyable than recent seasons. Spending time with both my kids, getting to the caravan, bike rides, meeting friends would all be more rewarding than watching the absolute drivel served up at the John Smiths recently.

Yet I would forgo many of those activities in a heartbeat if there was a modicum of entertainment value watching town.

[rickrast]

To rub salt in the wounds, two ex-managers of managerless HTAFC will be featuring in this weekend's play-off semis.

[boooothy]

I’m am glad of the break and now fully focused on England letting me down instead.

Come August i’ll be well up for it again.

[goodbet]

May 11, 2024 10:46:45 GMT 1 rickrast said:

To rub salt in the wounds, two ex-managers of managerless HTAFC will be featuring in this weekend's play-off semis.

Is it strange that they both wanted away from Town.

Says quite a lot thinking about it.

[joeyjoneslocker]

Not me. But everyone deals with aspects of life differently.
Football isn’t the be all and end all.
I enjoy watching Town because I enjoy football in general.
I already miss going to games.
Winning and/or losing is secondary to meeting up with mates and kids, talking about the game on the way back from an away trip, reading the melts on this forum when a team sheet is announced.
I don’t want to feel like a deep connection to the club has to be in place all the time. Tell me any club that has buzzing fans with a real deep connection when they’ve just been relegated?
It’s part of the game, ups and downs. Can go on months or years or decades.
That’s life.

[waggers]

May 11, 2024 5:38:18 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Or is anyone else thoroughly disillusioned and exhausted by events at our football club? I can't say I'm that fussed about AB deciding not to take the challenge forward but it is another example of the instability and, apparently, chaotic way we have been run these past couple of years particularly.

We enter a different challenge and we really need to be prepared. For all the positive rhetoric it feels like we continue to bumble along hopng for the best. At some point the circus needs to stop and we need become a credible, focused organisation again. I'm sure those in charge may, significantly, baulk at my view as being unduly negative but they need to look at things from a fans viewpoint.

Right now is the opportunity to really reset the club. Be committed to being confident about the future and backing it up with tangible actions. Tangible actions delivered by enthusiastic, positive and capable people. People who are capable of engaging with the fanbase and creating a bond that unites and is compelling. For all what I am sure are well intended words I don't see enough to support those words. This is the time to prove me wrong and go in new direction.

I've renewed my season ticket, although my confidence in the immediate future is not overly optimistic, but challenge those in charge to start to show some real ambition, desire and determination to make our great club as good as it can be. We have fallen way below that potential these past couple of years.

I will watch with interest how this next appointment is approached to see something that makes me feel we are actually moving in the right direction.

As fans we comment, debate and argue for the same reason, because we all care about the club. We desperately need to see something different and better otherwise this malaise will turn into apathy. Once apathy sets in it really is a long way back.

Apologies for starting another thread but, as a long standing fan, the exasperation at another week of a positive veneer of words (that's how I feel about things right now) and all evidence pointing to us scrambling around to make another key decision, was just the last straw.

As ever I hope for the best, but the realist in me is telling me the carnival might not yet be over. I hope I am wrong.

I'm completely the same mate. When you don't even get angry or shocked by shit like this anymore you know something has gone terribly wrong. Folk think I'm going over the top when I say this will get worse. Whilst the likes of Cartwright are still in the jobs they've got we'll continue to spiral downwards.

I don't know how a clever bloke like Nagle doesn't realise where the key issues are. I still have a glimmer of hope because I truly believe Nagle is willing to put in the cash required to take us as far as possible, but his money is wasted without the correct guidance.

[King Neil]

I think it was for the best..he would have got torn apart had we even had an average start

And saying things like I wouldn't normally manage at 3rd tier after winning just 2 games in 13 wasn't on..and at that point I wanted him gone..it was arrogance from him without achieving anything to back it up

I'm actually very optimistic about next season now...whoever comes in has a full pre season and hopefully a say in new player recruitment and more importantly the WHOLE fanbase will back him and give him a chance

I honestly think that this time next year we will be back in the Championship

[overtonterrierspirit]

Exhausted but not disillusioned.
After suffering several bad years we’re surely due a good one.
Maybe, this could be the start of good times to come.

[runner76]

Somewhere between exhausted, excited, shocked, apathetic, confused and bewildered.

It’s not boring being a Terrier……

[willo]

It certainly isn’t just you. The decision to hold the cost of a season card is perhaps the only good decision made in how long? I said I wouldn’t be renewing my/our season card(s) and I’m standing by that unless we make what I consider to be a strong appointment in our next manager and I may then reconsider. As it stands though, I’m purely renewing to retain my/our seat(s) when I know I’ll be missing a good chunk of the season because I’ve lost some interest and it’s not worth it. Again, appoint a proper manager who the fans can get behind, start playing some cohesive, attacking football and win some games and score some goals and I’ll likely return. We’ve been a bloody circus for far too long and I’m tapping out for a period.

[Terrier Ramone]

We are in the division we deserve to be in, I'm in the headspace that we have a chance to re-set & if AB was not up the fight in Div 3, we are better off without him.

KN has made it clear that money is available & promotion is expected, whoever is appointed will be backed but there are 2 big problems for me, & they are do we appoint someone with L1 experience, a veteran who would not stand for nonsense in the ranks, or an up & coming manager who has a point to prove but who might find it hard to control the dressing room & the second, & perhaps more pertinent, point is do we trust Cartwright to get the appointment right?

Most importantly, KN has backed Cartwright to get this pre-season right, I doubt very much he will get the Jan transfer window, if this goes wrong.

I renewed our tickets too, mainly because I think KN deserves our support with the prices he has set, there is an awful lot of work to do in the next couple of months but you can either choose to continue being angry about what has gone on in the past, or you can look forward to the re-set our club needs. I'm doing the latter.

[mosher]

May 11, 2024 12:25:35 GMT 1 King Neil said:

I think it was for the best..he would have got torn apart had we even had an average start

And saying things like I wouldn't normally manage at 3rd tier after winning just 2 games in 13 wasn't on..and at that point I wanted him gone..it was arrogance from him without achieving anything to back it up

I'm actually very optimistic about next season now...whoever comes in has a full pre season and hopefully a say in new player recruitment and more importantly the WHOLE fanbase will back him and give him a chance

I honestly think that this time next year we will be back in the Championship

Especially as he built his reputation on taking smaller clubs to dizzying heights they'd not reached before.

[Captainslapper]

May 11, 2024 5:38:18 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Or is anyone else thoroughly disillusioned and exhausted by events at our football club? I can't say I'm that fussed about AB deciding not to take the challenge forward but it is another example of the instability and, apparently, chaotic way we have been run these past couple of years particularly.

We enter a different challenge and we really need to be prepared. For all the positive rhetoric it feels like we continue to bumble along hopng for the best. At some point the circus needs to stop and we need become a credible, focused organisation again. I'm sure those in charge may, significantly, baulk at my view as being unduly negative but they need to look at things from a fans viewpoint.

Right now is the opportunity to really reset the club. Be committed to being confident about the future and backing it up with tangible actions. Tangible actions delivered by enthusiastic, positive and capable people. People who are capable of engaging with the fanbase and creating a bond that unites and is compelling. For all what I am sure are well intended words I don't see enough to support those words. This is the time to prove me wrong and go in new direction.

I've renewed my season ticket, although my confidence in the immediate future is not overly optimistic, but challenge those in charge to start to show some real ambition, desire and determination to make our great club as good as it can be. We have fallen way below that potential these past couple of years.

I will watch with interest how this next appointment is approached to see something that makes me feel we are actually moving in the right direction.

As fans we comment, debate and argue for the same reason, because we all care about the club. We desperately need to see something different and better otherwise this malaise will turn into apathy. Once apathy sets in it really is a long way back.

Apologies for starting another thread but, as a long standing fan, the exasperation at another week of a positive veneer of words (that's how I feel about things right now) and all evidence pointing to us scrambling around to make another key decision, was just the last straw.

As ever I hope for the best, but the realist in me is telling me the carnival might not yet be over. I hope I am wrong.

I get what youre saying and dont disagree with the sentiment.

I think what you're saying basically boils down to 'can we make some good decisions for a change? '..particularly over the manager role.

Next one will be our 7th different manager in the past 2 years!!.. Makes Watford seem like a stable outfit!

Problem is if the next guy gets off to a poor start the clamour for him to be sacked ( on social media like on here ) will start and all the reasons why the board chose him as the manager will start to disappear out the window.

I think the appointment of Breitenreiter showed genuine ambition, desire and determination,,,as did the money we spent in January on the team ( which was more than just about everyone else in the division )...but this being Town at the moment, we can still get it painfully wrong even when we show that level of ambition, desire and determination.

As ever, it's all about results. If we start winning then everything about the club will immediately be positive and moving in the right direction.

[foxtrot666]

This relegation has hurt less than any other in my 50 plus years supporting Town which I suppose means apathy is beginning to set in. The last few years have been tough and it's a sad situation when the highlight of Saturday is your pre match pint. We really need to get the right man this time and give the fans something to get excited about, the football over the last few years has been shite, the only time we look like scoring is when we get a corner. Time to start making the right decisions or we will be in for another shite season.

[Baby Ate My Eight Ball]

A couple of lads at work support Oldham. As our shit show unfolded last season, one of them was talking about playing some team in Kent that had one stand and a railing around one of the sides of the pitch.

We’re a complete shambles, but that has helped me put it a little bit into perspective.

I’ve also learned that life can take you to places you might not want to go to, that things can’t be always how you want them to be. When it happens it’s best to get some perspective to try and approach the situation with positivity rather than bemoan the things that have gone wrong.

7 years ago I was imagining the sort of European trips that Brighton have had this year. C’est la vie.

[HalifaxTerrier]

“It’s not boring being a Terrier”.

Yes it is. We’re s**t! 😂

[Captainslapper]

May 13, 2024 9:22:05 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

A couple of lads at work support Oldham. As our shit show unfolded last season, one of them was talking about playing some team in Kent that had one stand and a railing around one of the sides of the pitch.

We’re a complete shambles, but that has helped me put it a little bit into perspective.

I’ve also learned that life can take you to places you might not want to go to, that things can’t be always how you want them to be. When it happens it’s best to get some perspective to try and approach the situation with positivity rather than bemoan the things that have gone wrong.

7 years ago I was imagining the sort of European trips that Brighton have had this year. C’est la vie.

Mentioned it before but I have a new mate whos a Bradford PA fan.
Theyve just been relegated for the 2nd season running...he doesnt even know what divisions they'll be put into next season yet, but whichever it is, the opponents will be village teams really, whereas a couple of years ago they were playing Macclesfield, Scunthorpe , York City , Darlington...

We were wallowing in the misery of our relegations in the pub at the weekend, but have to say his misery was a lot worse than mine!

[Mastercracker]

May 13, 2024 8:45:40 GMT 1 mosher said:

May 11, 2024 12:25:35 GMT 1 King Neil said:

I think it was for the best..he would have got torn apart had we even had an average start

And saying things like I wouldn't normally manage at 3rd tier after winning just 2 games in 13 wasn't on..and at that point I wanted him gone..it was arrogance from him without achieving anything to back it up

I'm actually very optimistic about next season now...whoever comes in has a full pre season and hopefully a say in new player recruitment and more importantly the WHOLE fanbase will back him and give him a chance

I honestly think that this time next year we will be back in the Championship

Especially as he built his reputation on taking smaller clubs to dizzying heights they'd not reached before.

I think part of this is 'lost' in translation a bit in that the German 3 Liga is classed by them as a backwater. You might have a couple of fallen giants in financial strife there but then there's also B teams and teams with facilities comparable to Halifax.

3rd Divisions in other major football nations are probably even smaller still. The French and Spanish 3rd Divisions are Semi-Pro. In Italy Serie C is regional.

I agree it was a daft thing to say, just providing a bit of context.

[Terrier Ramone]

May 13, 2024 10:09:39 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

May 13, 2024 9:22:05 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

A couple of lads at work support Oldham. As our shit show unfolded last season, one of them was talking about playing some team in Kent that had one stand and a railing around one of the sides of the pitch.

We’re a complete shambles, but that has helped me put it a little bit into perspective.

I’ve also learned that life can take you to places you might not want to go to, that things can’t be always how you want them to be. When it happens it’s best to get some perspective to try and approach the situation with positivity rather than bemoan the things that have gone wrong.

7 years ago I was imagining the sort of European trips that Brighton have had this year. C’est la vie.

Mentioned it before but I have a new mate whos a Bradford PA fan.
Theyve just been relegated for the 2nd season running...he doesnt even know what divisions they'll be put into next season yet, but whichever it is, the opponents will be village teams really, whereas a couple of years ago they were playing Macclesfield, Scunthorpe , York City , Darlington...

We were wallowing in the misery of our relegations in the pub at the weekend, but have to say his misery was a lot worse than mine!

It could be worse for him, he might have supported Bradford City.

[Boaty McBoatface]

May 13, 2024 9:05:25 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

I think the appointment of Breitenreiter showed genuine ambition, desire and determination,,,as did the money we spent in January on the team ( which was more than just about everyone else in the division )...but this being Town at the moment, we can still get it painfully wrong even when we show that level of ambition, desire and determination.

Exactly right, I had a lot of confidence back then, perhaps too much as this is what I texted my QPR supporting brother after the transfer window in January:

"Little tip for you here, lay Huddersfield to be relegated, we've just made a load of multi million pound transfers, thank me later..."

to which he responded about 3 minutes after we got relegated:

"How are those big money transfers working out btw? Money well spent?"

The best I could muster up in response was: "It turned out they were League One standard, which has worked out quite well in the end."

[Essex Terrier]

May 11, 2024 12:45:26 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Exhausted but not disillusioned.
After suffering several bad years we’re surely due a good one.
Maybe, this could be the start of good times to come.