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Post by specialun on May 15, 2024 21:17:34 GMT 1
Would Hogg even sign a deal. I bet he could get better money as a squad player in the championship and i wouldn't want us to waste much budget on a league 1 squad player, which is surely what he will be now. That would require a Championship team to offer him a contract which seems highly unlikely. Why would any of them want a player who turns 36 this year and continues to struggle with numerous injuries? If Hogg didn’t have to carry the rest of centre midfield and start 3 games a week he wouldn’t pick up the injuries he had done If Wagner had played Dean Whitehead every week in week out in a get stuck in defensive midfield role I imagine he’d have got injured a fair bit too? He was an important member of the squad though right? Playing him & resting Hogg weakened us but critical to achieving what we did that season |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 15, 2024 21:22:00 GMT 1
That would require a Championship team to offer him a contract which seems highly unlikely. Why would any of them want a player who turns 36 this year and continues to struggle with numerous injuries? If Hogg didn’t have to carry the rest of centre midfield and start 3 games a week he wouldn’t pick up the injuries he had done If Wagner had played Dean Whitehead every week in week out in a get stuck in defensive midfield role I imagine he’d have got injured a fair bit too? He was an important member of the squad though right? Playing him & resting Hogg weakened us but critical to achieving what we did that season Whitehead was a couple of years younger than Hogg will be next season. Hogg will simply be a waste of a wage for a Championship team. I think he will be for us too |
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Post by fredcarno1 on May 15, 2024 21:22:42 GMT 1
Unpopular as this opinion will be but i'd be tempted to offer a year to Jordan Rhodes, I still think he will score goals in league 1, was good for Blackpool before getting injured. A decent pre season behind him and he is still capable of at least 10-15 goals. If he is not with us I would guess he will go to another league 1 team as can't see him going to a championship team and I'd rather his 10-15 goals be for us than a rival Rhodes 10-15, no doubt Danny Ward will be absolutely shit hot in League 1 as well !!! Should’ve never resigned either of them in the first place let alone give them contract extensions. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 15, 2024 21:24:51 GMT 1
They were or still are rubbish. There is always a place in good teams for workers who give 100% Richard Logan under warnock(version 1) Always did the job he was asked to do and always gave 100% even though he was never a decent player Maybe so, but we don't have that luxury right now. I say what I see, and Kasumu is a clogger. |
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on May 15, 2024 21:41:33 GMT 1
There is always a place in good teams for workers who give 100% Richard Logan under warnock(version 1) Always did the job he was asked to do and always gave 100% even though he was never a decent player Maybe so, but we don't have that luxury right now. I say what I see, and Kasumu is a clogger. Have to agree with this. Kasumu is liked cos of his energy as though that makes up for how bad he is on the ball. But I was watching him closely against Ipswich and he was bullied. Lost nearly every 50/50. Was slower than them and not as strong. I think our midfield is bereft of any talent with the exception of Rudoni when he can be arsed. I’d agree with Chickens Pod we need probs 3 CM |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 15, 2024 21:56:42 GMT 1
Surely we should be trying to sign the next Hogg rather than persevering with him.
I find it baffling people are talking about keeping him, incredible servant though he’s been.
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Post by htfcterry on May 15, 2024 22:03:05 GMT 1
Maybe so, but we don't have that luxury right now. I say what I see, and Kasumu is a clogger. Have to agree with this. Kasumu is liked cos of his energy as though that makes up for how bad he is on the ball. But I was watching him closely against Ipswich and he was bullied. Lost nearly every 50/50. Was slower than them and not as strong. I think our midfield is bereft of any talent with the exception of Rudoni when he can be arsed. I’d agree with Chickens Pod we need probs 3 CM I agree with this. We probably need a leader in midfield within those 3 too. We're desperately lacking a leader, I'm not talking experience (Hogg), I'm talking someone who's going to motivate them and turn play over quickly. |
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Post by keefer on May 15, 2024 22:05:49 GMT 1
Given Duff's reputation for actually working with and improving individual players, I think it would be interesting to see what players, currently on the books, he deems to be worth the effort. I would be interested to know if he will have had any input on the retained list, although he possibly won't have had the final say. As I have said previously, I think Duff is a good appointment and even if it takes a few months to implement his methods, I firmly believe he can turn our fortunes around
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Post by workshyfop on May 15, 2024 22:25:11 GMT 1
Just because we’ve dropped down a division, doesn’t mean some of these players will suddenly be able to control a ball, pass or shoot. Get rid of as many as possible and start again with proper footballers who give a shit.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 15, 2024 22:32:05 GMT 1
Be interesting to see how wiles is with a full preseason. There's obviously a player in there but needs to get back to fitness and a run of games (through preseason)
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2024 22:40:27 GMT 1
I think some of the players who have been found wanting this season may surprise us with a decent manager who has a plan and a role for each of them. Duff will have the whole of preseason to gauge what he has got. I wonder who his coaching staff will be.
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Post by specialun on May 15, 2024 22:48:06 GMT 1
If Hogg didn’t have to carry the rest of centre midfield and start 3 games a week he wouldn’t pick up the injuries he had done If Wagner had played Dean Whitehead every week in week out in a get stuck in defensive midfield role I imagine he’d have got injured a fair bit too? He was an important member of the squad though right? Playing him & resting Hogg weakened us but critical to achieving what we did that season Whitehead was a couple of years younger than Hogg will be next season. Hogg will simply be a waste of a wage for a Championship team. I think he will be for us too 1 year. Whitehead was 35 in winter that season Hogg will be 36 in winter this coming season - in a division below He’d have to take a wage cut to stay |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 15, 2024 23:05:21 GMT 1
Surely we should be trying to sign the next Hogg rather than persevering with him. I find it baffling people are talking about keeping him, incredible servant though he’s been. I find it baffling people are wanting to ditch him. Hes still a good player at championship level never mind league 1 and a great leader on the pitch, so yeah we do need to be replacing him now as a first choice, but thats going to be easier said than done and it'll be advantageous to have him in and about the first team IMO. |
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Post by shawsie on May 15, 2024 23:27:07 GMT 1
Surely we should be trying to sign the next Hogg rather than persevering with him. I find it baffling people are talking about keeping him, incredible servant though he’s been. I find it baffling people are wanting to ditch him. Hes still a good player at championship level never mind league 1 and a great leader on the pitch, so yeah we do need to be replacing him now as a first choice, but thats going to be easier said than done and it'll be advantageous to have him in and about the first team IMO. Think it depends on how much he is going to cost. Agree totally hes been an excellent servant of the club....but i wouldnt be offering 2 yr terms or a big contract to him. That said, the alternatives of kasumu, high, austerfield dont bear thinking about....thank god matos has gone though-think he played in leather soles he was on his arse that much. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 15, 2024 23:41:45 GMT 1
yeah I think at his age it would be a 1 year deal and he'd obviously have to take a reduction in salary too. Cant imagine he'd expect not to do if he wants to carry on playing at the age hes at.
I wouldn't keep him because hes been an excellent servant to the club ( which he has )..id keep him because hes still a good player and a great character to have in the squad.
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Post by townarentbest on May 15, 2024 23:49:10 GMT 1
Would Hogg even sign a deal. I bet he could get better money as a squad player in the championship and i wouldn't want us to waste much budget on a league 1 squad player, which is surely what he will be now. There is zero chance that Hogg will ever play another game in the Championship. |
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Post by townarentbest on May 15, 2024 23:56:40 GMT 1
Unpopular as this opinion will be but i'd be tempted to offer a year to Jordan Rhodes, I still think he will score goals in league 1, was good for Blackpool before getting injured. A decent pre season behind him and he is still capable of at least 10-15 goals. If he is not with us I would guess he will go to another league 1 team as can't see him going to a championship team and I'd rather his 10-15 goals be for us than a rival There’s zero chance that Rhodes will ever play another game at League 1 level or higher. |
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Post by Big Jim on May 16, 2024 0:11:36 GMT 1
Unpopular as this opinion will be but i'd be tempted to offer a year to Jordan Rhodes, I still think he will score goals in league 1, was good for Blackpool before getting injured. A decent pre season behind him and he is still capable of at least 10-15 goals. If he is not with us I would guess he will go to another league 1 team as can't see him going to a championship team and I'd rather his 10-15 goals be for us than a rival There’s zero chance that Rhodes will ever play another game at League 1 level or higher. You crazy? He got 15 goals in 19 apps in League One this season. Of course he'd be snapped up by another League One side. I wouldn't be disappointed if he signed a one year extension. Clearly still got goals in him, and he'll be a great character in the dressing room. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 16, 2024 0:29:32 GMT 1
There’s zero chance that Rhodes will ever play another game at League 1 level or higher. You crazy? He got 15 goals in 19 apps in League One this season. Of course he'd be snapped up by another League One side. I wouldn't be disappointed if he signed a one year extension. Clearly still got goals in him, and he'll be a great character in the dressing room. Does he do tricks and stuff? Or tell a few gags before they go out? |
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Post by DuncShearer* on May 16, 2024 3:27:52 GMT 1
You crazy? He got 15 goals in 19 apps in League One this season. Of course he'd be snapped up by another League One side. I wouldn't be disappointed if he signed a one year extension. Clearly still got goals in him, and he'll be a great character in the dressing room. Does he do tricks and stuff? Or tell a few gags before they go out? Okay Roy |
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Post by melbourneterrier on May 16, 2024 4:53:16 GMT 1
Unpopular as this opinion will be but i'd be tempted to offer a year to Jordan Rhodes, I still think he will score goals in league 1, was good for Blackpool before getting injured. A decent pre season behind him and he is still capable of at least 10-15 goals. If he is not with us I would guess he will go to another league 1 team as can't see him going to a championship team and I'd rather his 10-15 goals be for us than a rival There’s zero chance that Rhodes will ever play another game at League 1 level or higher. This tongue in cheek? I'm pretty confidant that he will be signing for Blackpool. |
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Post by melbourneterrier on May 16, 2024 4:53:59 GMT 1
Have we have had a player who has divided fans so much on whether we should re-sign him?
Seems most folk are quite adamant one way or another
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Post by Big Jim on May 16, 2024 5:51:13 GMT 1
You crazy? He got 15 goals in 19 apps in League One this season. Of course he'd be snapped up by another League One side. I wouldn't be disappointed if he signed a one year extension. Clearly still got goals in him, and he'll be a great character in the dressing room. Does he do tricks and stuff? Or tell a few gags before they go out? Original. You never know, he might do card tricks and put a quiz on in the evenings. When you have a dressing room such as ours which is divided and devoid of leadership, excellent professionals setting an example is exactly what you need. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 16, 2024 6:32:57 GMT 1
Surely we should be trying to sign the next Hogg rather than persevering with him. I find it baffling people are talking about keeping him, incredible servant though he’s been. Players like Hogg don’t come around often. Every club below the Premier League is looking for the next Hogg. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 16, 2024 6:41:36 GMT 1
Surely we should be trying to sign the next Hogg rather than persevering with him. I find it baffling people are talking about keeping him, incredible servant though he’s been. Me too, if he wants to stay on in a coaching role fine but as a player, I wouldn't offer him a new contract, we need to move on, as you suggest. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 16, 2024 6:42:54 GMT 1
You crazy? He got 15 goals in 19 apps in League One this season. Of course he'd be snapped up by another League One side. I wouldn't be disappointed if he signed a one year extension. Clearly still got goals in him, and he'll be a great character in the dressing room. Does he do tricks and stuff? Or tell a few gags before they go out? If he’d played with us and just scored less than a third of those goals in games we drew this past season, we wouldn’t now be preparing for life in Division 3. There’s a few goals left in him which could help us be contenders for automatic promotion or playoffs. He’s a positive character and mentor to the youngsters. |
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Post by rockwall on May 16, 2024 6:54:44 GMT 1
Experience but with at least some ability is needed in the middle.
If we could resign a similar version of a Damien Johnson.
Tin hat on... or an Anthony Kay, who I didn't think was as bad as was made out at times.
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Post by k1man999 on May 16, 2024 8:04:53 GMT 1
Rhodes shouldn't have been carted off last season without an adequate replacement.
I do think he could have scored us a few goals especially in some of those draws under Moore.
However would I try get him t sign on for this year, I probably would as can still do a job in lg 1, however can't see duff wanting him doesn't suit the high press style.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 8:15:55 GMT 1
We signed Kasumu as an athletic holding midfielder with the ability to burst past the initial defensive line and hand it off to someone that can play. I expected him to be the successor to Hogg, not part of the same midfield. He's not a box to box midfielder or a wing back. He shouldn't be in the final third slicing shots high and wide or fluffing final balls - that's not his game. His athleticism (or his teammates' lack of it) has almost worked against him the last couple of seasons in terms of the roles he's been asked to play. I just expect him to be able to pass to his teammates, but even that seems beyond him. I forget which game but it was at home where he broke from our half down the right and squared it to, I think it was Burgzorg, for an early goal. Good break and the right decision plus a good final pass. He can do it with the right coaching and better players around him. |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 16, 2024 8:25:27 GMT 1
Rhodes shouldn't have been carted off last season without an adequate replacement. I do think he could have scored us a few goals especially in some of those draws under Moore. However would I try get him t sign on for this year, I probably would as can still do a job in lg 1, however can't see duff wanting him doesn't suit the high press style. I wouldn't offer a contract myself, but if we were to offer one I'd not be against it for those reasons. He can't play the high press, but he's the best pure goalscorer you'll see at that level. He gets a yard, he scores. Quite a lot - there's nobody currently active in English football who can better his 242 career goals. Even allowing for his recent slow-down and cameo-based roles, it's a ludicrous number of goals. Even at 34, he offers something significant to someone. That being said, we have Healey - who is definitely a poacher - and Radulovic - who has the hallmarks of Jordan Rhodes a few years ago even if we've only seen small glimpses. We need another option, another style of player. The rough, tough target man who doesn't necessarily score all that many but who creates space and roughs up defences, or a pest who harries and chases every lost cause - or both. |
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