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Post by bogart on Jun 20, 2024 9:37:33 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 20, 2024 9:48:29 GMT 1
Smoking, boozing and snorting Charlie is probably done in bigger numbers but hey, let's pick on betting. I don't disagree bookmakers are absolute shysters and shithouses but this drum is banged far too often and loudly, demonising betting. Horse racing must be breathing a huge collective sigh of relief as football takes the limelight off it as public enemy number 1 with regards to betting.
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Post by bluewhitesapper on Jun 20, 2024 10:20:24 GMT 1
Addicts wont be just betting on football though.
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Post by ram on Jun 20, 2024 10:37:42 GMT 1
When I was 19 I put a bet on a horse {Lions Mantle was his name} at 10/1. The horse won.That was my 1st,and last bet.Gambling has never interested me, I just liked the horses name!
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jun 20, 2024 10:49:51 GMT 1
Remember finishing work one Sunday afternoon and being a bit bored watching a Premier league game so decided to bet on the amount of corners in the second half, had something like £8 in the online account so thought I'd use that to pass the time. One thing led to another, found myself on the casino part of the website and I was about £400 down by the time the game finished. I'd started chasing losses and kept on LOSING! Got totally out of hand and other than say the grand national or fa cup final I won't bet. Even then it's never more than £10.
But why stop at banning cigarette, alcohol and now betting adverts?
Britain's got an obesity crisis. Should we stop advertising energy drinks, pop companies, crisps, biscuits, sweets on football shirts and advertising boards too?
Obesity linked deaths in the UK will be higher than gambling addictions.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 20, 2024 10:57:21 GMT 1
I bet you nothing changes 😉 |
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Post by boooothy on Jun 20, 2024 10:59:05 GMT 1
Gambling on football adds to it for me, i even make a small profit.
What is wrong with gambling is they target “losers” anyone who wins eventually is turned away. I’m banned from all promotional offers for example.
But they bombard those that lose money with marketing and offers. They know who lose on the slot games. The whole model works on taking lots of money off small numbers of people.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 20, 2024 11:21:00 GMT 1
There are lots of things that people enjoy that are a health or life risk , people want to control everything. I get that some folk have addictive personalities but most folk don’t and enjoy a bet once a while.
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Post by King Neil on Jun 20, 2024 11:24:35 GMT 1
I don't even buy lottery tickets
I just have no interest whatsoever in gambling
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 20, 2024 14:59:34 GMT 1
I don't even buy lottery tickets I just have no interest whatsoever in gambling If you named your likes in life , folk would most probably reply to some of those likes ‘ I just have no interest ‘ so what other folk do. Was at work a few days ago in a room of 4 colleagues all of us chatting about the euros , another colleague came in and was quite vocal and annoyed that the conversation wasn’t to his liking. In him leaving everyone in the room was laughing and saying how that wouldn’t happen if the subject was about a run of the mill subject say mortgages or holidays etc. Why folk think they have the power to tell people what to like and do is beyond me. |
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Post by King Neil on Jun 20, 2024 15:12:22 GMT 1
I don't even buy lottery tickets I just have no interest whatsoever in gambling If you named your likes in life , folk would most probably reply to some of those likes ‘ I just have no interest ‘ so what other folk do. Was at work a few days ago in a room of 4 colleagues all of us chatting about the euros , another colleague came in and was quite vocal and annoyed that the conversation wasn’t to his liking. In him leaving everyone in the room was laughing and saying how that wouldn’t happen if the subject was about a run of the mill subject say mortgages or holidays etc. Why folk think they have the power to tell people what to like and do is beyond me. Certainly not telling you what to like I live 10 minutes from a racecourse but would never go and watch a race or gamble on it.. I've never understood when people get addicted and they say they get a buzz putting a bet on...a buzz about losing money? Although my father racked up some considerable debt betting on horses |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 20, 2024 16:16:21 GMT 1
If you named your likes in life , folk would most probably reply to some of those likes ‘ I just have no interest ‘ so what other folk do. Was at work a few days ago in a room of 4 colleagues all of us chatting about the euros , another colleague came in and was quite vocal and annoyed that the conversation wasn’t to his liking. In him leaving everyone in the room was laughing and saying how that wouldn’t happen if the subject was about a run of the mill subject say mortgages or holidays etc. Why folk think they have the power to tell people what to like and do is beyond me. Certainly not telling you what to like I live 10 minutes from a racecourse but would never go and watch a race or gamble on it.. I've never understood when people get addicted and they say they get a buzz putting a bet on...a buzz about losing money? Although my father racked up some considerable debt betting on horses Not saying you are . I don’t bet often but like a bet every so often and for me it does give me a buzz. If people have history where addiction as contributed to life’s woes be it not even directly I have the up most sympathy, but far too many folk like to tell other folk how to live. Let folk enjoy or not their own lives and stop trying to get rid of things folk enjoy. One day society will look back and regret the interference by all the do gooders in this world. Don’t drink , don’t bet , be driven by a car which is controlled, eat this don’t eat that, don’t travel eco warriors , don’t swear . Politicians are the worst offenders take the covid period telling everyone to participate in nothing while the bastards were having party’s. I personally think it’s more that a great LOVE for many in this world is they love telling other folk how to live. Well they can’t |
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Post by Amigo on Jun 20, 2024 16:28:48 GMT 1
If you named your likes in life , folk would most probably reply to some of those likes ‘ I just have no interest ‘ so what other folk do. Was at work a few days ago in a room of 4 colleagues all of us chatting about the euros , another colleague came in and was quite vocal and annoyed that the conversation wasn’t to his liking. In him leaving everyone in the room was laughing and saying how that wouldn’t happen if the subject was about a run of the mill subject say mortgages or holidays etc. Why folk think they have the power to tell people what to like and do is beyond me. Certainly not telling you what to like I live 10 minutes from a racecourse but would never go and watch a race or gamble on it.. I've never understood when people get addicted and they say they get a buzz putting a bet on...a buzz about losing money? Although my father racked up some considerable debt betting on horses What do you get a buzz from? People get a buzz from different things, there will be lots of people that don't understand or get a buzz from it but I hope they don't all reply to this thread. |
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Post by utttrooper on Jun 20, 2024 16:37:17 GMT 1
Spend about £4 on the Grand National each year and that's my lot unless I win a free £5 bet builder in my FPL league.
It's a big problem for any involved but the amount in gambling problems is a minority to those with gambling, drinking or obesity problems
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Jun 20, 2024 16:39:34 GMT 1
Betting is like any other activity really- fine for most people but there's a minority for whom it gets under their skin and they lose control. Same with drinking.
I used to do an accumulator every weekend, with a stake of around 10p. Without even thinking about it I've basically stopped doing so most weeks- in part because my dad is no longer around and we used to compare our bets. Both of us bet in similar ways, tiny stakes and 8-10 games, so very little chance of winning but a big payout if it did come off.
What i can't understand though, is betting in casinos and especially the fruit machines. I've worked with people who'd get their pay packet on Friday and drop most of it in the fruit machine the same night. Madness.
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Post by King Neil on Jun 20, 2024 16:51:51 GMT 1
Certainly not telling you what to like I live 10 minutes from a racecourse but would never go and watch a race or gamble on it.. I've never understood when people get addicted and they say they get a buzz putting a bet on...a buzz about losing money? Although my father racked up some considerable debt betting on horses What do you get a buzz from? People get a buzz from different things, there will be lots of people that don't understand or get a buzz from it but I hope they don't all reply to this thread. I can see I've touched a nerve I'll bow out gracefully |
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Post by mosher on Jun 20, 2024 16:52:32 GMT 1
Certainly not telling you what to like I live 10 minutes from a racecourse but would never go and watch a race or gamble on it.. I've never understood when people get addicted and they say they get a buzz putting a bet on...a buzz about losing money? Although my father racked up some considerable debt betting on horses What do you get a buzz from? People get a buzz from different things, there will be lots of people that don't understand or get a buzz from it but I hope they don't all reply to this thread. Exactly I get a buzz from watching loud heavy bands, watching and reading horror, watching Town n skateboarding! One or more of those things wouldn’t get a look in to other people and one or two may even horrify people, especially skating at 50 😂 |
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Post by westislandterrier on Jun 20, 2024 17:18:23 GMT 1
Certainly not telling you what to like I live 10 minutes from a racecourse but would never go and watch a race or gamble on it.. I've never understood when people get addicted and they say they get a buzz putting a bet on...a buzz about losing money? Although my father racked up some considerable debt betting on horses Not saying you are . I don’t bet often but like a bet every so often and for me it does give me a buzz. If people have history where addiction as contributed to life’s woes be it not even directly I have the up most sympathy, but far too many folk like to tell other folk how to live. Let folk enjoy or not their own lives and stop trying to get rid of things folk enjoy. One day society will look back and regret the interference by all the do gooders in this world. Don’t drink , don’t bet , be driven by a car which is controlled, eat this don’t eat that, don’t travel eco warriors , don’t swear . Politicians are the worst offenders take the covid period telling everyone to participate in nothing while the bastards were having party’s. I personally think it’s more that a great LOVE for many in this world is they love telling other folk how to live. Well they can’t Yep - I’m very much of the ENJOY ENJOY life variety and certainly don’t wanna be the richest guy in Nerabus Cemetery (West Island)... (My Late Uncle Already Is That In There) ! 💷💰💷💰 All the DON’T things that you’ve highlighted and I’ve shown in bold I’ve been ‘told’ not to do... Did I /Do I listen ? - Not a f#uckin snowballs chance in hell of that EVER happening for sure... 😊 I have spent a fortune on pubs, restaurants, travel, booze, footy, footy kits, footy merchandise, women, travel, clothes, hotels, nightclubs, gentlemen’s clubs (occasionally) even a WHORE in Glasgow 27 years ago as a treat after ma girlfriend f#ucked off with ma second cousin who was bloody 39 while was a younger fitter 27 at the time ! I’ve enjoyed every single penny and every single pound that I’ve spent on these things and wouldn’t change a thing apart from Leanne ditching me which left me pretty broken for a bit...😢 As for the politicians doing their lecturing while breaking all their own laws they had laid down... When that Tory MP Dominic Cummings decided to tour England, I did the same and decided to tour Scotland as well... Well at the end of the day he gave me the license to even though there was a five mile restriction from ma family home in Connel where I was at the time... Off I went happily on more than a few occasions touring The Highlands of Scotland in my motor - Well he did it so why the f#uck shouldn’t I... A mate came the patter that ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ - fine that’s his opinion - but evidently they very much do make a right in ma book when it suits me !!! I did nearly get caught miles away in Mallaig as I fancied a chippy and looking out to The Cuillins and Sound of Sleet on Skye in the background and The isles of Eigg and Rassay while munching ma chippy, but on walking into the chippy this stoney-faced policewoman was also there - what’s the problem one might think... Well the problem was that I had a grey T-shirt on with an utterly MASSIVE Huddy Town badge on it and the words Huddersfield Town as clear as day... The Problem was the lassie cooking the cop’s chippy had her back to me for five minutes and eventually turned round and apologised for not noticing me (I don’t expect they’d be that busy back then with restrictions) and asked me what I wanted and I said in ma broadest Scottish accent “a massive big Scottish fish and chips Slathered in salt n’ vinegar” - When the female cop heard ma very Scottish voice she just smiled so stress over and result and I enjoyed the chippy and the views munching every last bit of it... But had I been caught and charged I’d just have said “Fuck off - If it’s good enough for that Tory MP Cummings then it’s good enough for me” If the sheriff had jailed me he would have got a middle finger from ma free hand without the bangles on ma way to the dungeons... I never have and never will cock suck to The Scottish Establishment and I wouldn’t ever cock suck to The English, Irish or Welsh ones either... Anyway - Rant Over... Fae Westie The West Island Rebel !!! 😊 😬 |
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Post by Amigo on Jun 20, 2024 17:45:19 GMT 1
What do you get a buzz from? People get a buzz from different things, there will be lots of people that don't understand or get a buzz from it but I hope they don't all reply to this thread. I can see I've touched a nerve I'll bow out gracefully Eh? Not at all I was trying to relate it to something you might get a buzz from actually. I've bet in the past not to any crazy extent by any means but can understand the buzz. Similarly I can understand the buzz of coke as an example. I can understand both but don't do either. As sad as it might sound to many, I get a buzz these days when my 5 year old decides she wants to actually say what she's done that day and what she's learnt. People that don't have kids probably wouldn't understand that. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 20, 2024 19:09:25 GMT 1
I suspect that many commenting on here have lived a bit of life, most commenting are probably beyond their mid thirties.
The problem with the gambling industry is how they glamorise it for young lads, it’s all a bit of a craic, when in reality it’s a poisonous rabbit hole if you get sucked in.
Anyone who hasn’t experienced an addictive personality, either personally or a family member or friend probably won’t understand how this particular vice is ridiculously unregulated compared to things that have eventually been cracked down on.
The following points should explain a bit more.
The gambling companies have huge lobbying power.
They have adverts specifically targeting the addictive nature of it, presumably the trade-off that the lobbyists agree with Govt.
How many of those other vices can see you literally lose hundreds or thousands of pounds in the blink of an eye? How many fags can you smoke in 90 mins? How much booze/spirit can you throw down your neck to incur the same financial loss as gambling?
You get pissed, you get a hangover and go again, chain smoking can land you in deep shit, but initially I expect it makes you feel like shit after 40-60 fags? (never smoked, so don’t know)
But gambling is ubiquitous nowadays, these kids don’t need to visit a bookies like we used to, it’s right there, 24/7.
It’s a huge ticking time bomb for younger generations, forget about how us crusties view this and brush it off as nothing much to be concerned about.
I’m sure many will say the above is a pile of shite, but all I’ll say is I hope I’m wrong about the generational impact this will have.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 20, 2024 19:28:53 GMT 1
I suspect that many commenting on here have lived a bit of life, most commenting are probably beyond their mid thirties. The problem with the gambling industry is how they glamorise it for young lads, it’s all a bit of a craic, when in reality it’s a poisonous rabbit hole if you get sucked in. Anyone who hasn’t experienced an addictive personality, either personally or a family member or friend probably won’t understand how this particular vice is ridiculously unregulated compared to things that have eventually been cracked down on. The following points should explain a bit more. The gambling companies have huge lobbying power. They have adverts specifically targeting the addictive nature of it, presumably the trade-off that the lobbyists agree with Govt. How many of those other vices can see you literally lose hundreds or thousands of pounds in the blink of an eye? How many fags can you smoke in 90 mins? How much booze/spirit can you throw down your neck to incur the same financial loss as gambling? You get pissed, you get a hangover and go again, chain smoking can land you in deep shit, but initially I expect it makes you feel like shit after 40-60 fags? (never smoked, so don’t know) But gambling is ubiquitous nowadays, these kids don’t need to visit a bookies like we used to, it’s right there, 24/7. It’s a huge ticking time bomb for younger generations, forget about how us crusties view this and brush it off as nothing much to be concerned about. I’m sure many will say the above is a pile of shite, but all I’ll say is I hope I’m wrong about the generational impact this will have. Yep. The betting industry is as corrupt as fuck, ban gamblers that show the slightest bit of common sense betting. You can open an account and be shut down in one bet if it wins and you’ve taken good odds, this alone shows how they operate , they crave foolish punters and shut down those who are not and your right it is a ticking time bomb for the young and maybe it’s that I’m older and just hate the way society try’s to kill anything fun. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 20, 2024 19:31:47 GMT 1
I can understand why Ray Winstone would be the face of a betting company, but it really pisses me off when loads of ex footballers earn money from promoting these shysters.
I think it’s Paul Merson who really has a go at these people, because they’ll know the problems it’s caused to their team mates over the years.
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Post by htfc63 on Jun 20, 2024 20:06:32 GMT 1
Many years ago I lost a very dear friend to gambling and alcohol abuse. He was a bright enthusiastic individual who sadly went into a downward spiral which resulted in him losing his family, business and ultimately his life. I still remember the last time I saw him aged just 40 walking across a road to the bookies, yellow from liver failure and looking a shadow of his former self. Whilst I agree we should all make choices as to what we do I don’t like how gambling and alcohol are glamorised or how companies such as Paddy Power try to make gambling a light hearted pleasure.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 20, 2024 20:27:48 GMT 1
Many years ago I lost a very dear friend to gambling and alcohol abuse. He was a bright enthusiastic individual who sadly went into a downward spiral which resulted in him losing his family, business and ultimately his life. I still remember the last time I saw him aged just 40 walking across a road to the bookies, yellow from liver failure and looking a shadow of his former self. Whilst I agree we should all make choices as to what we do I don’t like how gambling and alcohol are glamorised or how companies such as Paddy Power try to make gambling a light hearted pleasure. It is a light hearted pleasure for most but as Grandmaster Flash once sang...'and if you get hooked, baby, it's nobody's fault, so don't do it'. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jun 20, 2024 21:59:00 GMT 1
Life itself is a big enough gamble.
Gambling with bookies is not cool and is a mugs game. I really feel for those who get addicted. What an awful life they lead
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Jun 21, 2024 0:19:34 GMT 1
Not saying you are . I don’t bet often but like a bet every so often and for me it does give me a buzz. If people have history where addiction as contributed to life’s woes be it not even directly I have the up most sympathy, but far too many folk like to tell other folk how to live. Let folk enjoy or not their own lives and stop trying to get rid of things folk enjoy. One day society will look back and regret the interference by all the do gooders in this world. Don’t drink , don’t bet , be driven by a car which is controlled, eat this don’t eat that, don’t travel eco warriors , don’t swear . Politicians are the worst offenders take the covid period telling everyone to participate in nothing while the bastards were having party’s. I personally think it’s more that a great LOVE for many in this world is they love telling other folk how to live. Well they can’t Yep - I’m very much of the ENJOY ENJOY life variety and certainly don’t wanna be the richest guy in Nerabus Cemetery (West Island)... (My Late Uncle Already Is That In There) ! 💷💰💷💰 All the DON’T things that you’ve highlighted and I’ve shown in bold I’ve been ‘told’ not to do... Did I /Do I listen ? - Not a f#uckin snowballs chance in hell of that EVER happening for sure... 😊 I have spent a fortune on pubs, restaurants, travel, booze, footy, footy kits, footy merchandise, women, travel, clothes, hotels, nightclubs, gentlemen’s clubs (occasionally) even a WHORE in Glasgow 27 years ago as a treat after ma girlfriend f#ucked off with ma second cousin who was bloody 39 while was a younger fitter 27 at the time ! I’ve enjoyed every single penny and every single pound that I’ve spent on these things and wouldn’t change a thing apart from Leanne ditching me which left me pretty broken for a bit...😢 As for the politicians doing their lecturing while breaking all their own laws they had laid down... When that Tory MP Dominic Cummings decided to tour England, I did the same and decided to tour Scotland as well... Well at the end of the day he gave me the license to even though there was a five mile restriction from ma family home in Connel where I was at the time... Off I went happily on more than a few occasions touring The Highlands of Scotland in my motor - Well he did it so why the f#uck shouldn’t I... A mate came the patter that ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ - fine that’s his opinion - but evidently they very much do make a right in ma book when it suits me !!! I did nearly get caught miles away in Mallaig as I fancied a chippy and looking out to The Cuillins and Sound of Sleet on Skye in the background and The isles of Eigg and Rassay while munching ma chippy, but on walking into the chippy this stoney-faced policewoman was also there - what’s the problem one might think... Well the problem was that I had a grey T-shirt on with an utterly MASSIVE Huddy Town badge on it and the words Huddersfield Town as clear as day... The Problem was the lassie cooking the cop’s chippy had her back to me for five minutes and eventually turned round and apologised for not noticing me (I don’t expect they’d be that busy back then with restrictions) and asked me what I wanted and I said in ma broadest Scottish accent “a massive big Scottish fish and chips Slathered in salt n’ vinegar” - When the female cop heard ma very Scottish voice she just smiled so stress over and result and I enjoyed the chippy and the views munching every last bit of it... But had I been caught and charged I’d just have said “Fuck off - If it’s good enough for that Tory MP Cummings then it’s good enough for me” If the sheriff had jailed me he would have got a middle finger from ma free hand without the bangles on ma way to the dungeons... I never have and never will cock suck to The Scottish Establishment and I wouldn’t ever cock suck to The English, Irish or Welsh ones either... Anyway - Rant Over... Fae Westie The West Island Rebel !!! 😊 😬 Great stories Westie... I may have to nickname you "McOtium" 🤣 Though Cummings wasn't even an MP, just a "Special Advisor" 🤬 |
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Post by ram on Jun 21, 2024 9:41:11 GMT 1
Westie is a "free spirit" I used to be,stuff I have done I can,t {won,t} mention on here,but I enjoyed every minute.{nowt I could get locked up for}.Live and let Live has been my motto.One thing I will never tolerate though Is cruelty,to kids of animals!  |
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Post by eric on Jun 21, 2024 9:52:18 GMT 1
I gamble quite a lot and I am an addict, though I have it under control these days. I won a lot of money but lost even more so I know both sides.
To me, football doesn't offer a lot of value to the punter. Don't get me wrong, it's good for accas and you can always take outside punts. I had a treble come up last season which was around 120/1. But I don't see much value in corners and cards and all the rest of it. Just my opinion.
Betting lots of money on goals or whatever is the path to destruction. Look for value and longer odds and keep your bet small.
If you need help, get it. Lots of support out there now.
I like a bet on the horses and I've had a good week at Ascot. Small stakes and long odds, worked ok this week.
C'est la vie, be lucky. Don't let it take over your life.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jun 21, 2024 10:28:31 GMT 1
It is a light hearted pleasure for most but as Grandmaster Flash once sang...'and if you get hooked, baby, it's nobody's fault, so don't do it'. To continue along that tangent. Every time in commentary they say, "Kane", I can't help but retort "Sugar". |
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Post by harrythedog on Jun 21, 2024 15:04:47 GMT 1
Nowt wrong with a little flutter so long as you have it under control and don't chase losses, I have done and the easy accessibility nowadays does mean it's an issue for many.
Personally - it pays for my season ticket each year with a bit left over - at my age if I can't make a bit out of the football then i've learnt nothing.
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