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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 15:07:59 GMT 1
Yes I'm aware, he was crap for us in the championship though. No better than Ward or Rhodes imo. In fact if you compared their records you'd probably conclude he was worse, much worse. I'm just basing my opinion on what I saw of him at town in the division we just got relegated from. Not seen anything of him since. I honestly don't think it's a ridiculous view point. If he's helped his team get to the champions league good on him but it's largely irrelevant to this discussion. He absolutely was not crap in the Championship. He just did not get played much by the Cowleys for some strange reason. Are you one of them? 😉 In his 30 appearances in the Championship he scored 8 goals, but he scored a goal every 177 minutes when on the pitch, basically a 1 in 2 striker. Up there with Boothy as the best header of the ball I have seen for Town. Not meaning to call you out on this - but it got me thinking - better headers of the ball than Moonie? (I was at Palace - and it was one my best away day of all time-- so I’m as sentimental as the next guy. However, these guys were all better than him in the air or at least they were more effective which might not be quite the same thing. 1. Marcus Stewart 2. Ronnie Jepson 3. Jordan Rhodes 4. Duncan Shearer 5. Craig Maskell 6. Jon Stead 7. James Vaughan |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 3, 2024 15:09:48 GMT 1
Rhodes was though and he better than Mounie in the air and a better all round player too. Rhodes was better in the air than Mounie? Come off it.. when we signed Mounie he’d won the most aerial battles across all of the top 5 European leagues.. I’m convinced some people watch football with their eyes closed They also seem to have zero idea that levels and the abilities of the teams you are playing also affect your own. It's why you get folk claiming Peter Clarke who spent the vast majority of his career in the lower leagues is better than Zanka or that Jordan Rhodes, who no premier league club ever wanted, is better than Mounie. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 15:17:32 GMT 1
Rhodes was though and he better than Mounie in the air and a better all round player too. Have to disagree with that. Rhodes was fab for us in his first spell, but I've only ever really seen him as a finisher. Mounie is not a complete forward either, but he's clearly a technical level or two above Rhodes. He played for us in the Premier League, scored some impressive goals, and has just helped an unfancied side with a low budget qualify for the Champions League in a European top 5 league. No way is he technically above Rhodes. Moonie had 2 great games for us - palace away and Bournemouth home. Otherwise his career was extremely underwhelming. He was so lacking for us in the prem which was at least 1 level too high for him. Hes in Ligue 1 which is arguably now below the championship. If he was any good clubs would’ve been in for him - before our shite scouts did- and afterwards - but no one ever did. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 15:20:06 GMT 1
Rhodes was better in the air than Mounie? Come off it.. when we signed Mounie he’d won the most aerial battles across all of the top 5 European leagues.. I’m convinced some people watch football with their eyes closed They also seem to have zero idea that levels and the abilities of the teams you are playing also affect your own. It's why you get folk claiming Peter Clarke who spent the vast majority of his career in the lower leagues is better than Zanka or that Jordan Rhodes, who no premier league club ever wanted, is better than Mounie. Zanka is in the conversation for the best CB we’ve had. No premier league club ever did come in for Moonie! Just town with the most inept scouts in the league. He was totally out of his depth every week in the prem. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 3, 2024 15:21:39 GMT 1
They also seem to have zero idea that levels and the abilities of the teams you are playing also affect your own. It's why you get folk claiming Peter Clarke who spent the vast majority of his career in the lower leagues is better than Zanka or that Jordan Rhodes, who no premier league club ever wanted, is better than Mounie. Zanka is in the conversation for the best CB we’ve had. No premier league club ever did come in for Moonie! Just town with the most inept scouts in the league. He was totally out of his depth every week in the prem. When did I say they did? Anyway you've just claimed the Championship is better the French Top Flight, so I'm out. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 15:25:28 GMT 1
Rhodes was better in the air than Mounie? Come off it.. when we signed Mounie he’d won the most aerial battles across all of the top 5 European leagues.. I’m convinced some people watch football with their eyes closed They also seem to have zero idea that levels and the abilities of the teams you are playing also affect your own. It's why you get folk claiming Peter Clarke who spent the vast majority of his career in the lower leagues is better than Zanka or that Jordan Rhodes, who no premier league club ever wanted, is better than Mounie. Very poor examples of your point. Football fans get too caught up in levels too sometimes- including using the fact Moonie was a prem player where Rhodes was not. Rhodes took a massive pay offer and 5 year deal when he had prem offers - but for less money & maybe less game time. Technically Rhodes was better. Better touch. Better at reading runs and attacking the ball. A profilic striker who’s scored a lot more goals and at better level than ligue 1. |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 3, 2024 15:26:17 GMT 1
Rhodes was better in the air than Mounie? Come off it.. when we signed Mounie he’d won the most aerial battles across all of the top 5 European leagues.. I’m convinced some people watch football with their eyes closed Umm, you do realise Rhodes broke the record for the fastest headed hat trick in that spell I hope. 8 minutes as opposed to Dixie Deans 10 minutes Yossi Benayoun is also the only player to score a hat trick in the Premier League, FA Cup and Champions League.. wouldn’t even come close to the top 1000 players to play in the Champions League. Jordan Rhodes - 618 club apps, 53 headed goals. Steve Mounie - 304 club apps, 31 headed goals. Plus Mounie has pretty much always played at a higher level than Rhodes, against better defenders. That’s without analysing at international level where Rhodes has 3 goals, Mounie 17. Which considering 50% of his club goals are headers, I’d imagine a fair few in that too.. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 15:26:43 GMT 1
Zanka is in the conversation for the best CB we’ve had. No premier league club ever did come in for Moonie! Just town with the most inept scouts in the league. He was totally out of his depth every week in the prem. When did I say they did? Anyway you've just claimed the Championship is better the French Top Flight, so I'm out. It probably is now tbh. No money in French football other than psg. |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 3, 2024 15:27:28 GMT 1
They also seem to have zero idea that levels and the abilities of the teams you are playing also affect your own. It's why you get folk claiming Peter Clarke who spent the vast majority of his career in the lower leagues is better than Zanka or that Jordan Rhodes, who no premier league club ever wanted, is better than Mounie. Zanka is in the conversation for the best CB we’ve had. No premier league club ever did come in for Moonie! Just town with the most inept scouts in the league. He was totally out of his depth every week in the prem. Guess who’s linked with Mounie today…. Ipswich 😉 |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 15:28:45 GMT 1
Zanka is in the conversation for the best CB we’ve had. No premier league club ever did come in for Moonie! Just town with the most inept scouts in the league. He was totally out of his depth every week in the prem. When did I say they did? Anyway you've just claimed the Championship is better the French Top Flight, so I'm out. Things your writing aren’t true. Rhodes had premier league interest at the time but went for the money. Moonie only had town interested in him. No one else ever. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 3, 2024 15:30:03 GMT 1
Umm, you do realise Rhodes broke the record for the fastest headed hat trick in that spell I hope. 8 minutes as opposed to Dixie Deans 10 minutes Yossi Benayoun is also the only player to score a hat trick in the Premier League, FA Cup and Champions League.. wouldn’t even come close to the top 1000 players to play in the Champions League. Jordan Rhodes - 618 club apps, 53 headed goals. Steve Mounie - 304 club apps, 31 headed goals. Plus Mounie has pretty much always played at a higher level than Rhodes, against better defenders. That’s without analysing at international level where Rhodes has 3 goals, Mounie 17. Which considering 50% of his club goals are headers, I’d imagine a fair few in that too.. You sure about that?  |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 3, 2024 15:30:52 GMT 1
When did I say they did? Anyway you've just claimed the Championship is better the French Top Flight, so I'm out. Things your writing aren’t true. Rhodes had premier league interest at the time but went for the money. Moonie only had town interested in him. No one else ever. Why have you quoted my same post multiple times with different answers? Are you fucking high? |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jul 3, 2024 15:34:11 GMT 1
Off to Ipswich.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jul 3, 2024 15:39:31 GMT 1
But not good enough for League One according to some of the resident experts on here. Fuck me sideways. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Jul 3, 2024 15:40:45 GMT 1
Have to disagree with that. Rhodes was fab for us in his first spell, but I've only ever really seen him as a finisher. Mounie is not a complete forward either, but he's clearly a technical level or two above Rhodes. He played for us in the Premier League, scored some impressive goals, and has just helped an unfancied side with a low budget qualify for the Champions League in a European top 5 league. No way is he technically above Rhodes. Moonie had 2 great games for us - palace away and Bournemouth home. Otherwise his career was extremely underwhelming. He was so lacking for us in the prem which was at least 1 level too high for him. Hes in Ligue 1 which is arguably now below the championship. If he was any good clubs would’ve been in for him - before our shite scouts did- and afterwards - but no one ever did. Would you have Rhodes in our side ahead of Mounie this season? |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 3, 2024 15:43:30 GMT 1
If only we'd had big Steve when Roberts & Pilks were playing  Rhodes was though and he better than Mounie in the air and a better all round player too. I can't believe you think Jordan was better in the air than Steve |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 3, 2024 15:51:12 GMT 1
Rhodes was though and he better than Mounie in the air and a better all round player too. I can't believe you think Jordan was better in the air than Steve And he said Jon Stead (11 headed career goals) and James Vaughan (21 headed career goals) to name a few.. |
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Post by royrace on Jul 3, 2024 16:03:46 GMT 1
Arguably even more so in a 352... As has been said absolutely no chance but if there was you'd have to be a fool to say no. Or royrace apparently. 🤪🤪🤪 Yeah I wouldn't take him. I don't remember a huge clamour for him to be starting when he was being left out. Odd that since he was so good? I thought he was getting left out because he wasn't very effective. |
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Post by royrace on Jul 3, 2024 16:06:34 GMT 1
No it's not a joke, I'm deadly serious. I honestly never rated him and found him quite frustrating to watch, I wouldn't want him back in L1 even if it were a possibility. To be honest I find it weird that he's held in such high esteem by some. He was at best, very average for the level we bought him for and the fee paid. Seemed a really nice guy but slow, poor movement and never really seemed to do much with his aerial prowess. Great song too although not quite as good as Depoitre's  He was fooking awful. Couldn’t run. Couldn’t strike a ball. He didn’t lead the line well. He didn’t hold it up well, or at all. The only thing he was good at was heading it from crosses - which after Selhurst park we never crossed it again. It got in behind again. Seemed a nice genuine guy but as a player he was shite. Whoever watched him and said yes Dean £10m is a great deal has no fucking clue about football. Thank god. Thought I'd been living in a parallel universe there for a minute  He was bang average and cost us 10M! |
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Post by royrace on Jul 3, 2024 16:13:42 GMT 1
Rhodes was better in the air than Mounie? Come off it.. when we signed Mounie he’d won the most aerial battles across all of the top 5 European leagues.. I’m convinced some people watch football with their eyes closed They also seem to have zero idea that levels and the abilities of the teams you are playing also affect your own. It's why you get folk claiming Peter Clarke who spent the vast majority of his career in the lower leagues is better than Zanka or that Jordan Rhodes, who no premier league club ever wanted, is better than Mounie. Erm Rhodes was twice the championship striker mounie was and that's the level being discussed What he's done with Brest is irrelevant, as you point out, the level is very important, and the country. |
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Post by royrace on Jul 3, 2024 16:20:15 GMT 1
But not good enough for League One according to some of the resident experts on here. Fuck me sideways. Is he bollocks going to Ipswich IF he does though I predict he'll be shyte. I'm basing my opinion on watching him play for town. Slow, poor movement, not athletic enough, he's nowhere near a PL striker unless he's improved massively. |
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Post by sabailand on Jul 3, 2024 16:23:09 GMT 1
Did ok for us first prem season, second season not so good but that wasnt because of himself it was because we were crap, a better team and he'd have been amongst the goals, some players in the prem today get lauded when they're not that much better than Mounie.
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Post by midlander on Jul 3, 2024 17:04:19 GMT 1
Rhodes was better in the air than Mounie? Come off it.. when we signed Mounie he’d won the most aerial battles across all of the top 5 European leagues.. I’m convinced some people watch football with their eyes closed Umm, you do realise Rhodes broke the record for the fastest headed hat trick in that spell I hope. 8 minutes as opposed to Dixie Deans 10 minutes In the third tier of English football. Rhodes movement always made him decent in the air but he is nowhere near as good as Mounie in the air, or on the ground |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 17:08:06 GMT 1
No way is he technically above Rhodes. Moonie had 2 great games for us - palace away and Bournemouth home. Otherwise his career was extremely underwhelming. He was so lacking for us in the prem which was at least 1 level too high for him. Hes in Ligue 1 which is arguably now below the championship. If he was any good clubs would’ve been in for him - before our shite scouts did- and afterwards - but no one ever did. Would you have Rhodes in our side ahead of Mounie this season? Rhodes is 34 now. Prime Rhodes over Moonie though. |
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Post by Amigo on Jul 3, 2024 17:11:11 GMT 1
No it's not a joke, I'm deadly serious. I honestly never rated him and found him quite frustrating to watch, I wouldn't want him back in L1 even if it were a possibility. To be honest I find it weird that he's held in such high esteem by some. He was at best, very average for the level we bought him for and the fee paid. Seemed a really nice guy but slow, poor movement and never really seemed to do much with his aerial prowess. Great song too although not quite as good as Depoitre's He was fooking awful. Couldn’t run. Couldn’t strike a ball. He didn’t lead the line well. He didn’t hold it up well, or at all. The only thing he was good at was heading it from crosses - which after Selhurst park we never crossed it again. It got in behind again. Seemed a nice genuine guy but as a player he was shite. Whoever watched him and said yes Dean £10m is a great deal has no fucking clue about football. Couldn't strike a ball? Blackburn at home... He's used to win most of his aerial battles, we just didn't place anyone within 40 yards of him. Shite compared to who? Not sure I'd swap him for anyone we've had since. |
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 3, 2024 17:15:39 GMT 1
He was fooking awful. Couldn’t run. Couldn’t strike a ball. He didn’t lead the line well. He didn’t hold it up well, or at all. The only thing he was good at was heading it from crosses - which after Selhurst park we never crossed it again. It got in behind again. Seemed a nice genuine guy but as a player he was shite. Whoever watched him and said yes Dean £10m is a great deal has no fucking clue about football. Couldn't strike a ball? Blackburn at home... He's used to win most of his aerial battles, we just didn't place anyone within 40 yards of him. Shite compared to who? Not sure I'd swap him for anyone we've had since. One of my favourite Town goals that against Blackburn, great strike. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 17:17:52 GMT 1
I can't believe you think Jordan was better in the air than Steve And he said Jon Stead (11 headed career goals) and James Vaughan (21 headed career goals) to name a few.. Ok maybe not Steady but he was prolific. I’d still have all those players over Moonie. In their prime - no one is talking about now or league one or whatever. James Vaughan was a miles better footballer than Moonie. A lot of sentimental memories over big steve and I get that, but in the cold light of day he was largely ineffective for Town. The signing that we had to get right and we didn’t. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jul 3, 2024 17:26:22 GMT 1
He was fooking awful. Couldn’t run. Couldn’t strike a ball. He didn’t lead the line well. He didn’t hold it up well, or at all. The only thing he was good at was heading it from crosses - which after Selhurst park we never crossed it again. It got in behind again. Seemed a nice genuine guy but as a player he was shite. Whoever watched him and said yes Dean £10m is a great deal has no fucking clue about football. Couldn't strike a ball? Blackburn at home... He's used to win most of his aerial battles, we just didn't place anyone within 40 yards of him. Shite compared to who? Not sure I'd swap him for anyone we've had since. He wasn’t renowned for his shooting though was he. Was that the only goal he scored from outside the box ? He was isolated but other teams had much better options than us at the time and we needed better for £10m squid. If you weren’t getting in behind and crossing it then Moonie wasn’t scoring - and we never did after Palace.. |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 3, 2024 17:31:11 GMT 1
And he said Jon Stead (11 headed career goals) and James Vaughan (21 headed career goals) to name a few.. Ok maybe not Steady but he was prolific. I’d still have all those players over Moonie. In their prime - no one is talking about now or league one or whatever. James Vaughan was a miles better footballer than Moonie. A lot of sentimental memories over big steve and I get that, but in the cold light of day he was largely ineffective for Town. The signing that we had to get right and we didn’t. Firstly, we were debating aerially, in which you said they were all better, which just isn’t close. Secondly, I’d say the likes of Rhodes had better form and spells of course, but it was two divisions below. The difference in quality is huge. Mounie about to go to his second PL team in Ipswich, Rhodes never fancied in the PL for a reason. |
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Post by crux on Jul 3, 2024 17:52:56 GMT 1
He absolutely was not crap in the Championship. He just did not get played much by the Cowleys for some strange reason. Are you one of them? 😉 In his 30 appearances in the Championship he scored 8 goals, but he scored a goal every 177 minutes when on the pitch, basically a 1 in 2 striker. Up there with Boothy as the best header of the ball I have seen for Town. Not meaning to call you out on this - but it got me thinking - better headers of the ball than Moonie? (I was at Palace - and it was one my best away day of all time-- so I’m as sentimental as the next guy. However, these guys were all better than him in the air or at least they were more effective which might not be quite the same thing. 1. Marcus Stewart 2. Ronnie Jepson 3. Jordan Rhodes 4. Duncan Shearer 5. Craig Maskell 6. Jon Stead 7. James Vaughan Sorry, but you're taking the piss including Jon Stead on that list. Jon was a decent player, but useless in the air compared to the rest of the players on your list. Especially in his 2nd spell at the club, where he somehow managed to be able to jump LOWER than his starting height. |
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He was bang average and cost us 10M!
