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Post by htafcokay on Jul 22, 2024 19:34:38 GMT 1
Pre-season games mean nothing anyway, they're training games. They meant nothing last season either, despite some people trying to pin the blame of the relegation on those pre-season games... Agree. I felt the only issue last season was not at least having 1 challenge. Nothing wrong in the opposition we played, after the previous season it was more about team morale and confidence. Warnock did that tour most years and nobody ever complained. Well, we did play Stockport and that Dutch side. Warnock got teams promoted after doing that tour, so of course they didn't complain! Warnock's methods work for him, sack him and it won't work for his successor. That was our trouble. |
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Post by mosher on Jul 22, 2024 19:37:20 GMT 1
Kinell a pen AND a Hogg goal, that’s all next season’s luck gone already 😂 |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 22, 2024 19:37:30 GMT 1
Are you puddled? How can it be factual when they've never played in League 1 for us? Lees & Pearson were stalwarts in a team that were robbed at Wembley when we could have easily have been promoted to the Premier League. Did you watch the game today or are you just guessing? They were also stalwarts in a team that were struggling at the bottom for each of the last two years. It's not disrespectful to recognise that they are probably past their best and that perhaps we need some better defenders. I'll be very disappointed if our 3 CBs on opening day are Pearson, Lees & Ruffels. I genuinely don't think they will be, one yes but not all 3 but all 3 will have a part to play this season. I don't think it's going to be easy in Div 3, however, I'm damn sure there won't be any teams with a 3 as fast & fluid as what we played against today. With the opposition still to come on this tour, I reckon a good few would be far better off sitting the next 2 games out, we will lose comfortably but I bet we put up a fight & these games will put us in a great place to start the season - far better than our last pre-season. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 22, 2024 19:38:35 GMT 1
They were also stalwarts in a team that were struggling at the bottom for each of the last two years. It's not disrespectful to recognise that they are probably past their best and that perhaps we need some better defenders. I'll be very disappointed if our 3 CBs on opening day are Pearson, Lees & Ruffels. I genuinely don't think they will be, one yes but not all 3 but all 3 will have a part to play this season. I don't think it's going to be easy in Div 3, however, I'm damn sure there won't be any teams with a free as fast & fluid as what we played against today. With the opposition still to come on this tour, I reckon a good few would be far better off sitting the next 2 games out, we will lose comfortably but I bet we put up a fight & these games will put us in a great place to start the season - far better than our last pre-season. Neither do I. Too many serial losers still on the books and too many players that just aren't good enough still hanging around. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 22, 2024 19:39:41 GMT 1
They were also stalwarts in a team that were struggling at the bottom for each of the last two years. It's not disrespectful to recognise that they are probably past their best and that perhaps we need some better defenders. I'll be very disappointed if our 3 CBs on opening day are Pearson, Lees & Ruffels. I genuinely don't think they will be, one yes but not all 3 but all 3 will have a part to play this season. I don't think it's going to be easy in Div 3, however, I'm damn sure there won't be any teams with a free as fast & fluid as what we played against today. With the opposition still to come on this tour, I reckon a good few would be far better off sitting the next 2 games out, we will lose comfortably but I bet we put up a fight & these games will put us in a great place to start the season - far better than our last pre-season. Hertha should be closer to our level. Mid table last season in Bundesliga 2 and they're playing Cardiff same day so it's likely we'll be playing against quite a few of their fringe players |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jul 22, 2024 19:41:12 GMT 1
Some people really don't understand pre season friendlies. After a double training session, that was a very good performance. None of the players tonight will have been at 100% in mind or body after double training. It's all about getting leggy and becoming fitter and sharper through that. We played a team who competed in Europe last season and were close to actually getting into the CL. The goals conceded, Ruffels too slow tracking to the runner and then at fault for the 2nd with the lunge. That already showed the tiredness due to the sessions earlier in the day. No doubt the performance will be similar on Thursday against Hertha Berlin. Lecce will be the one where I am expecting to see the hard work slowly paying off and the players looking sharper and more agile. The scoreline means nothing in these games. Lecce have a few very good prospects in Patrick Dorgu a very good wing back who is only 19, Lameck Banda a brilliant dribbling winger who is one of the smallest players I’ve seen. Be good for town to play some top level players, especially from different leagues and countries, gives us a chance to practice against all different styles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 19:47:49 GMT 1
Two new CBs, a defensive midfielder and a couple of strikers minimum. Plenty still needed but don't trust our people at the top to get it right. The fact that Cartwright had to re-interview for his job after the disaster last season is a massive red flag to me. Jesus you really need to get a hobby other than ranting about Town. It was a pre-season friendly against a damn good side, probably better than the large majority we played last season. Turton & Ruffels are still getting fit after long term injuries, as is Lees. Once those defenders are fit they will be a very solid group in League one. What is needed, and this is why we play friendlies, is for the midfield to click. There were signs but it takes time. We haven't brought in world beaters but at the level we are at I think they will be very effective. They do need making into a team though and I think Duff will do that. It doesn't happen overnight. We are starting to build through the middle, which we hardly ever did last season, and that will improve. I would suggest you let the friendlies do what they are there for and judge the team when the season kicks off properly. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jul 22, 2024 19:50:08 GMT 1
Couldn’t sum this up better myself. But people will still say they’re ‘good enough’ - whatever that means… Town fans are a different breed. They don’t see the team play for a few weeks and all the players turn into world beaters. I’m concerned about the season if we start with the same spine as we had last season, the same spine that couldn’t spring any passes together. |
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Post by harris on Jul 22, 2024 19:51:30 GMT 1
Based off what we’ve seen, I’d imagine the starting lineup right now would be -
Maxwell*
Sorensen Pearson* Helik Spencer Miller
Evans Hogg* Kane
Healey Koroma*
Would hope we’re after first XI standard players to replace the starred players though. Also assumes that Nicholls and Sorba are off.
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Post by theterrier42 on Jul 22, 2024 19:53:01 GMT 1
Think we missed Scott high today
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 22, 2024 19:56:06 GMT 1
Two new CBs, a defensive midfielder and a couple of strikers minimum. Plenty still needed but don't trust our people at the top to get it right. The fact that Cartwright had to re-interview for his job after the disaster last season is a massive red flag to me. Jesus you really need to get a hobby other than ranting about Town. It was a pre-season friendly against a damn good side, probably better than the large majority we played last season. Turton & Ruffels are still getting fit after long term injuries, as is Lees. Once those defenders are fit they will be a very solid group in League one. What is needed, and this is why we play friendlies, is for the midfield to click. There were signs but it takes time. We haven't brought in world beaters but at the level we are at I think they will be very effective. They do need making into a team though and I think Duff will do that. It doesn't happen overnight. We are starting to build through the middle, which we hardly ever did last season, and that will improve. I would suggest you let the friendlies do what they are there for and judge the team when the season kicks off properly. Yeah because we're riding the  of a  at the minute, aren't we? Half that team that disgraced the shirt over the last couple of seasons need to be binned off, yet they're all in Austria. We're about 3 weeks off the start of the season and we're still relying on the same players that have let the club down badly. We're miles away from where we need to be. We need a massive overhaul and it's not happening. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 22, 2024 19:57:48 GMT 1
Couldn’t sum this up better myself. But people will still say they’re ‘good enough’ - whatever that means… Town fans are a different breed. They don’t see the team play for a few weeks and all the players turn into world beaters. I’m concerned about the season if we start with the same spine as we had last season, the same spine that couldn’t spring any passes together. Have you seen the friendlies so far? The difference is huge, you can see how we want to play, players are communicating, playing for each other & we look like a football team. People aren't hiding from the ball & we have some quality in midfield. There were times last season when our bench was actually embarrassing, 3 or 4 players on it that were never going to get on the pitch. We currently have 6 midfielders, competing for 3 spots, & all 6 have a chance of making the first team. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 20:00:34 GMT 1
Jesus you really need to get a hobby other than ranting about Town. It was a pre-season friendly against a damn good side, probably better than the large majority we played last season. Turton & Ruffels are still getting fit after long term injuries, as is Lees. Once those defenders are fit they will be a very solid group in League one. What is needed, and this is why we play friendlies, is for the midfield to click. There were signs but it takes time. We haven't brought in world beaters but at the level we are at I think they will be very effective. They do need making into a team though and I think Duff will do that. It doesn't happen overnight. We are starting to build through the middle, which we hardly ever did last season, and that will improve. I would suggest you let the friendlies do what they are there for and judge the team when the season kicks off properly. Yeah because we're riding the of a at the minute, aren't we? Half that team that disgraced the shirt over the last couple of seasons need to be binned off, yet they're all in Austria. We're about 3 weeks off the start of the season and we're still relying on the same players that have let the club down badly. We're miles away from where we need to be. We need a massive overhaul and it's not happening. How do you do that with so many players still in contract? If loads of them had gone because their contracts ran out then you can do a 'massive overhaul', otherwise you try and improve where you can and get a better manager to make them into a better team, that we can do, and have done. |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 22, 2024 20:03:54 GMT 1
It’s also worth noting what a decent side they are.Can’t imagine be many sides of a similar level we will play next season if any.Work in progress but the work this week will go a long way.
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Post by htafcdreams on Jul 22, 2024 20:04:34 GMT 1
Do you think we will be plenty in the green end of this summer with the £££ for Rudoni, Nicholls and Sorba?
I assume we will continue on the academy strategy and try a pick up more players on frees and loans before transfer window closes ?
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Post by Terriersmad on Jul 22, 2024 20:08:09 GMT 1
Town fans are a different breed. They don’t see the team play for a few weeks and all the players turn into world beaters. I’m concerned about the season if we start with the same spine as we had last season, the same spine that couldn’t spring any passes together. Have you seen the friendlies so far? The difference is huge, you can see how we want to play, players are communicating, playing for each other & we look like a football team. People aren't hiding from the ball & we have some quality in midfield. There were times last season when our bench was actually embarrassing, 3 or 4 players on it that were never going to get on the pitch. We currently have 6 midfielders, competing for 3 spots, & all 6 have a chance of making the first team. Four friendlies in, and we look like a team. We have a clear plan. We'll certainly win more than we lose this season, although we're still not the finished article. The difference a competent midfield will make should not be underestimated. With a competent midfield, we stay up last season. Having two options showing for the ball, who were capable of keeping it, playing between lines, bringing others in to play would have saved us. Deficiencies of others would not have been so painfully exposed. We've signed two options capable of doing that - that will immediately get more out of what we already have. I'm not expecting Mooy levels of impact, but I do think it'll make a huge difference with Evans and Kane. We do need a central defender (left-sided, preferably with a bit of pace but if Spencer's staying it's less critical), defensive midfielder (preferably one comfortable on the ball), and two strikers. I'd also like a sprinkling of unpredictability off the bench to mix it up. But even as it is, I'm expecting a minimum of a play-off campaign. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 22, 2024 20:15:51 GMT 1
Do you think we will be plenty in the green end of this summer with the £££ for Rudoni, Nicholls and Sorba? I assume we will continue on the academy strategy and try a pick up more players on frees and loans before transfer window closes ? Love the asumption that Nichols and Sorba are defo leaving , some having no doubt in this as FACT bro kinda statments. Both have gone on the tour, both have played in pre season, both will probs get minutes in the next 2 games. The vaulations and contracts these two are on, means clubs who could be intersted really have to offer something to both us and the players in question that is better than currently on. Both players got new and improved contracts straight after the failed play off campgain. This means improved terms on their deals, clubs may want them yes, but will either go for the same cash or less ? Will Town settle for less ? these are both questions that are clearly still to be asked for . Yes these players are classed as top players and should be wanted by others, but this does not mean they are as wanted as either we think they should be or them themsleves think they should be. |
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Post by htafcdreams on Jul 22, 2024 20:27:10 GMT 1
No idea if Nicholls and Sorba will be sold but I think there is a decent chance. Will try to build the coffers up.
More thinking about the strategy of signings ahead. I assume we are looking for value signings interms of frees and trying to blood our youth with the academy in the background?
The stadium development and potential area around the stadium / infrastructure building over the coming years
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 22, 2024 20:29:28 GMT 1
My take from that is that we still need about 4-5 signings because Ruffels, Ward, Lees, Turton, Maxwell ain't the answer
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 22, 2024 20:32:14 GMT 1
My take from that is that we still need about 4-5 signings because Ruffels, Ward, Lees, Turton, Maxwell ain't the answer Nearly all those listed are likely to be on the bench Nicholls will be first choice ahead of Maxwell Defence will likely be Helik, Pearson and Spencer. Ward will be third or fourth choice behind Healey and the new striker/s that sign |
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Post by Yorkie on Jul 22, 2024 20:32:17 GMT 1
are they still part-timers? I'll assume you are being serious, no. They have a squad from 17 different nationalities, including a recent African Cup of Nations winner from Senegal. Last season they played Rangers in Europe beat them at home & drew away. They are clearly a talented side. Doesn’t change the fact they are still a part time team though which was the question asked |
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Post by willhudd on Jul 22, 2024 20:39:10 GMT 1
I'll assume you are being serious, no. They have a squad from 17 different nationalities, including a recent African Cup of Nations winner from Senegal. Last season they played Rangers in Europe beat them at home & drew away. They are clearly a talented side. Doesn’t change the fact they are still a part time team though which was the question asked This can't be aimed at the team town just played. Google is a great thing to find out that they are very much not part time. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 22, 2024 20:40:42 GMT 1
Doesn’t change the fact they are still a part time team though which was the question asked This can't be aimed at the team town just played. Google is a great thing to find out that they are very much not part time. Part time and making a decent fist of the Europa League would be some going. I'm assuming it is some sort of joke which we have missed |
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Post by utttrooper on Jul 22, 2024 20:43:33 GMT 1
Think we missed Scott high today And Kyle Hudlin |
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Post by Terriersmad on Jul 22, 2024 20:46:33 GMT 1
I'll assume you are being serious, no. They have a squad from 17 different nationalities, including a recent African Cup of Nations winner from Senegal. Last season they played Rangers in Europe beat them at home & drew away. They are clearly a talented side. Doesn’t change the fact they are still a part time team though which was the question asked They aren't. The Wikipedia page in question was edited earlier this afternoon from an IP address originating somewhere in the UK. Previous to that, Wikipedia very clearly stated that Aris Limassol are a professional team, and had done since time immemorial. They are a full-time professional football club, as the most cursory Google shows. They are a decent side. Probably top-end Championship. A good test against internationals and players used to winning. Duff will have learned a lot from the game. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 22, 2024 20:56:36 GMT 1
I'll assume you are being serious, no. They have a squad from 17 different nationalities, including a recent African Cup of Nations winner from Senegal. Last season they played Rangers in Europe beat them at home & drew away. They are clearly a talented side. Doesn’t change the fact they are still a part time team though which was the question asked That's just daft part time? |
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Jul 22, 2024 20:57:37 GMT 1
Part time ffs 😂
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Post by htfcterry on Jul 22, 2024 21:01:28 GMT 1
They were hardly a mixture of postmen and book keepers 😂
I thought it was a good test, Duff will get alot more out of a game like that than us rolling over some daft cornish pub team 13-1
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 22, 2024 21:03:59 GMT 1
My take from that is that we still need about 4-5 signings because Ruffels, Ward, Lees, Turton, Maxwell ain't the answer Nearly all those listed are likely to be on the bench Nicholls will be first choice ahead of Maxwell Defence will likely be Helik, Pearson and Spencer. Ward will be third or fourth choice behind Healey and the new striker/s that sign I don't think Nicholls has started a pre season game yet has he? Certainly not the vibe I'm getting. Still think we need a few more though |
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 22, 2024 21:05:09 GMT 1
Who the fuck are AEL Limassol? Hardly footballing giants are they?
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