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Post by gbow on Sept 4, 2024 9:53:41 GMT 1
Apologies to younger fans but as a "senior" Town fan now (!!), I've been reminiscing about the 1982/83 season. We had a team playing in the 3rd tier and we were treated to a great season with a promotion and a memorable Milk Cup run.
All in all, Town played 56 games in 37 weeks and ELEVEN players started at least 49 of those 56 games.
Brown, Burke, Cowling, Cox, Doyle, Hanvey, Lillis, Russell, Stanton, Sutton and Wilson (Brown and Lillis were ever-present).
It may be difficult to compare eras but what is it about the modern game that means that players nowadays can't manage what players 40 years ago could without continually breaking down with injuries ?
Is the game faster or more physical than it was then ? Is there something wrong with the training methods ? Advances in sports sciences and nutrition should mean that players nowadays should out-perform their predecessors. But how many of those 11 would get into the Town team of 2024/25 ? Could they prosper in the football world of today ?
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Post by Bubbles on Sept 4, 2024 16:49:29 GMT 1
Ah Football.
Isn't it?
Mick Buxton.
4-4-2.
Mullets and sweat bands.
Players called Keith and Colin.
And Brian.
The steam rising out of the Cowshed bogs.
Toilet roll in the back of the net.
Black boots and Mitre balls.
Goals,excitement.
Marvellous.
Sorry went a bit Paul Whitehouse/Jimmy Hill there for a minute.
Take me back!!
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Post by cyberman on Sept 4, 2024 17:07:38 GMT 1
if we were to take that side from 82/83 and put it up against our currecnt side who would win ?
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Post by Bubbles on Sept 4, 2024 17:31:49 GMT 1
if we were to take that side from 82/83 and put it up against our currecnt side who would win ? Well the current lot will definitely be giving a penalty away and Mally Brown’s not missing is he so it’d be 1-0 in no time to the lads in the Central Mirfield shirts..😁 Serious question, when was the last time we had 3 players on double figures for goals? That year Lillis had 20, Stanton and Russell 17 each! |
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Post by irverino on Sept 4, 2024 17:47:39 GMT 1
Eleven players with over 40 league appearances......Anyone care to guess how many will get to 40 or above this season?
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Sept 4, 2024 17:57:39 GMT 1
I wonder how healthy that team of 82/3 are today. probably played through the pain and now walk with a stick, having had at least one fresh hip.
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 4, 2024 17:59:13 GMT 1
Oh the good old days!!. The days of football specials, massive brawls, half time Bovril. Hardly anyone wore the team colours unless you had a hat or a Scarfe, it was all about fashion and it was a totally different game back then. Now the players are more prone to injuries they are finally tuned and have no protection from their boots and lets go back even further the season 69/70, that season Town only used 14 players all season and that is including all the cup games and playing on surfaces that resembled a quagmire.
Fast forward 50 years and players are already injured before the season starts. Personally, i believe the team from 82/83 season would play todays side of the park.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 4, 2024 18:11:39 GMT 1
Apologies to younger fans but as a "senior" Town fan now (!!), I've been reminiscing about the 1982/83 season. We had a team playing in the 3rd tier and we were treated to a great season with a promotion and a memorable Milk Cup run. All in all, Town played 56 games in 37 weeks and ELEVEN players started at least 49 of those 56 games. Brown, Burke, Cowling, Cox, Doyle, Hanvey, Lillis, Russell, Stanton, Sutton and Wilson (Brown and Lillis were ever-present). It may be difficult to compare eras but what is it about the modern game that means that players nowadays can't manage what players 40 years ago could without continually breaking down with injuries ? Is the game faster or more physical than it was then ? Is there something wrong with the training methods ? Advances in sports sciences and nutrition should mean that players nowadays should out-perform their predecessors. But how many of those 11 would get into the Town team of 2024/25 ? Could they prosper in the football world of today ? Certainly the game is not anymore physical now and teams play play on much better pitches these days. |
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Post by waggers on Sept 4, 2024 18:21:42 GMT 1
Ah Football. Isn't it? Mick Buxton. 4-4-2. Mullets and sweat bands. Players called Keith and Colin. And Brian. The steam rising out of the Cowshed bogs. Toilet roll in the back of the net. Black boots and Mitre balls. Goals,excitement. Marvellous. Sorry went a bit Paul Whitehouse/Jimmy Hill there for a minute. Take me back!! Better kit designs, no diving, and cash hadn't destroyed the game yet. |
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Sept 4, 2024 19:12:30 GMT 1
if we were to take that side from 82/83 and put it up against our currecnt side who would win ? I think the team from 82/83 would manage a draw. Mind you, they are all in their 60s now. |
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Post by SacTown on Sept 4, 2024 20:19:01 GMT 1
Cast your mind back to how many times players had a thigh strapped up and probably had various injections to get them on the pitch…
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 4, 2024 22:18:51 GMT 1
Apologies to younger fans but as a "senior" Town fan now (!!), I've been reminiscing about the 1982/83 season. We had a team playing in the 3rd tier and we were treated to a great season with a promotion and a memorable Milk Cup run. All in all, Town played 56 games in 37 weeks and ELEVEN players started at least 49 of those 56 games. Brown, Burke, Cowling, Cox, Doyle, Hanvey, Lillis, Russell, Stanton, Sutton and Wilson (Brown and Lillis were ever-present). It may be difficult to compare eras but what is it about the modern game that means that players nowadays can't manage what players 40 years ago could without continually breaking down with injuries ? Is the game faster or more physical than it was then ? Is there something wrong with the training methods ? Advances in sports sciences and nutrition should mean that players nowadays should out-perform their predecessors. But how many of those 11 would get into the Town team of 2024/25 ? Could they prosper in the football world of today ? I have nothing scientific to back this up, but I would say the game is much faster today. I think the style of play is different as well. Back in the day you either beat your man, or they tackled or fouled you. What we see nowadays is players niggling all the time, sly pulls of the shirt etc. Back in the day a bad foul was noticeable because the player stayed down with a legitimate injury, you can’t actually tell if a player is injured nowadays because they’re all cheating bastards. Finally, players of today are softer because they know there’s probably a 1 in 2 chance of them being subbed. Back in the day it was 11 on the pitch and 1 sub, keeper gets injured, an outfield player took the gloves and green jersey. In summary they’re molly coddled to the nth degree. Forget wondering about how the players of 82/83 would fare in the modern game, I’d stick some of these lads back into the 1980’s because I doubt many could hack it… |
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Post by willo on Sept 5, 2024 0:50:30 GMT 1
Apologies to younger fans but as a "senior" Town fan now (!!), I've been reminiscing about the 1982/83 season. We had a team playing in the 3rd tier and we were treated to a great season with a promotion and a memorable Milk Cup run. All in all, Town played 56 games in 37 weeks and ELEVEN players started at least 49 of those 56 games. Brown, Burke, Cowling, Cox, Doyle, Hanvey, Lillis, Russell, Stanton, Sutton and Wilson (Brown and Lillis were ever-present). It may be difficult to compare eras but what is it about the modern game that means that players nowadays can't manage what players 40 years ago could without continually breaking down with injuries ? Is the game faster or more physical than it was then ? Is there something wrong with the training methods ? Advances in sports sciences and nutrition should mean that players nowadays should out-perform their predecessors. But how many of those 11 would get into the Town team of 2024/25 ? Could they prosper in the football world of today ? I have nothing scientific to back this up, but I would say the game is much faster today. I think the style of play is different as well. Back in the day you either beat your man, or they tackled or fouled you. What we see nowadays is players niggling all the time, sly pulls of the shirt etc. Back in the day a bad foul was noticeable because the player stayed down with a legitimate injury, you can’t actually tell if a player is injured nowadays because they’re all cheating bastards. Finally, players of today are softer because they know there’s probably a 1 in 2 chance of them being subbed. Back in the day it was 11 on the pitch and 1 sub, keeper gets injured, an outfield player took the gloves and green jersey. In summary they’re molly coddled to the nth degree. Forget wondering about how the players of 82/83 would fare in the modern game, I’d stick some of these lads back into the 1980’s because I doubt many could hack it… Just imagine the likes of Ben Wiles or that soft as shite excuse for a striker Bojan in the 82/83 team! They wouldn’t last 30 minutes. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by marshterrier on Sept 5, 2024 18:16:46 GMT 1
I have nothing scientific to back this up, but I would say the game is much faster today. I think the style of play is different as well. Back in the day you either beat your man, or they tackled or fouled you. What we see nowadays is players niggling all the time, sly pulls of the shirt etc. Back in the day a bad foul was noticeable because the player stayed down with a legitimate injury, you can’t actually tell if a player is injured nowadays because they’re all cheating bastards. Finally, players of today are softer because they know there’s probably a 1 in 2 chance of them being subbed. Back in the day it was 11 on the pitch and 1 sub, keeper gets injured, an outfield player took the gloves and green jersey. In summary they’re molly coddled to the nth degree. Forget wondering about how the players of 82/83 would fare in the modern game, I’d stick some of these lads back into the 1980’s because I doubt many could hack it… Just imagine the likes of Ben Wiles or that soft as shite excuse for a striker Bojan in the 82/83 team! They wouldn’t last 30 minutes. 😂😂😂 Aye, Cup game v Shrewsbury GBH on Rankin broke his cheekbone, Kindon went in goal first then Lillis... you couldnt see that happening nowadays with multiple Subs etc... |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 5, 2024 18:33:45 GMT 1
Apologies to younger fans but as a "senior" Town fan now (!!), I've been reminiscing about the 1982/83 season. We had a team playing in the 3rd tier and we were treated to a great season with a promotion and a memorable Milk Cup run. All in all, Town played 56 games in 37 weeks and ELEVEN players started at least 49 of those 56 games. Brown, Burke, Cowling, Cox, Doyle, Hanvey, Lillis, Russell, Stanton, Sutton and Wilson (Brown and Lillis were ever-present). It may be difficult to compare eras but what is it about the modern game that means that players nowadays can't manage what players 40 years ago could without continually breaking down with injuries ? Is the game faster or more physical than it was then ? Is there something wrong with the training methods ? Advances in sports sciences and nutrition should mean that players nowadays should out-perform their predecessors. But how many of those 11 would get into the Town team of 2024/25 ? Could they prosper in the football world of today ? I have nothing scientific to back this up, but I would say the game is much faster today. I think the style of play is different as well. Back in the day you either beat your man, or they tackled or fouled you. What we see nowadays is players niggling all the time, sly pulls of the shirt etc. Back in the day a bad foul was noticeable because the player stayed down with a legitimate injury, you can’t actually tell if a player is injured nowadays because they’re all cheating bastards. Finally, players of today are softer because they know there’s probably a 1 in 2 chance of them being subbed. Back in the day it was 11 on the pitch and 1 sub, keeper gets injured, an outfield player took the gloves and green jersey. In summary they’re molly coddled to the nth degree. Forget wondering about how the players of 82/83 would fare in the modern game, I’d stick some of these lads back into the 1980’s because I doubt many could hack it… One of our problems recently is how slow we move the ball about. Haven’t seen anyone in the current team to match Mally Brown on a run. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 6, 2024 0:02:58 GMT 1
Apologies to younger fans but as a "senior" Town fan now (!!), I've been reminiscing about the 1982/83 season. We had a team playing in the 3rd tier and we were treated to a great season with a promotion and a memorable Milk Cup run. All in all, Town played 56 games in 37 weeks and ELEVEN players started at least 49 of those 56 games. Brown, Burke, Cowling, Cox, Doyle, Hanvey, Lillis, Russell, Stanton, Sutton and Wilson (Brown and Lillis were ever-present). It may be difficult to compare eras but what is it about the modern game that means that players nowadays can't manage what players 40 years ago could without continually breaking down with injuries ? Is the game faster or more physical than it was then ? Is there something wrong with the training methods ? Advances in sports sciences and nutrition should mean that players nowadays should out-perform their predecessors. But how many of those 11 would get into the Town team of 2024/25 ? Could they prosper in the football world of today ? Certainly the game is not anymore physical now and teams play play on much better pitches these days. Id say it's much less physical in terms of the tackling now than it was then. But it's way more physical in terms of the speed the games played at. The players now are far fitter and more muscular. You just have to compare the physiques of players then to now and theres a big difference. Being tackled isnt actually a big source of injuries ..its the strain on muscles and joints of the twists and turns at such speed that do for players more often than not. Seems like the more toned and muscular they get, the more prone to muscle strains and ligament injuries they become. Think in terms of speed and strength, the game would likely pass them by a bit if you could go back in a time machine and fetch them to play in today's game. But theyd love the pitches with the ball not bobbling about...at least they would until they got sent off. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 7, 2024 19:56:49 GMT 1
Certainly the game is not anymore physical now and teams play play on much better pitches these days. Id say it's much less physical in terms of the tackling now than it was then. But it's way more physical in terms of the speed the games played at. The players now are far fitter and more muscular. You just have to compare the physiques of players then to now and theres a big difference. Being tackled isnt actually a big source of injuries ..its the strain on muscles and joints of the twists and turns at such speed that do for players more often than not. Seems like the more toned and muscular they get, the more prone to muscle strains and ligament injuries they become. Think in terms of speed and strength, the game would likely pass them by a bit if you could go back in a time machine and fetch them to play in today's game. But theyd love the pitches with the ball not bobbling about...at least they would until they got sent off. Modern footballers would destroy players from the 70s and 80 on sheer power and fitness. However if they had the same starting point, i.e. fitness levels, diet, coaching, pitches, etc. Mally Brown, Brian Stanton and one or two others would get in the current team. |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 7, 2024 20:07:19 GMT 1
Id say it's much less physical in terms of the tackling now than it was then. But it's way more physical in terms of the speed the games played at. The players now are far fitter and more muscular. You just have to compare the physiques of players then to now and theres a big difference. Being tackled isnt actually a big source of injuries ..its the strain on muscles and joints of the twists and turns at such speed that do for players more often than not. Seems like the more toned and muscular they get, the more prone to muscle strains and ligament injuries they become. Think in terms of speed and strength, the game would likely pass them by a bit if you could go back in a time machine and fetch them to play in today's game. But theyd love the pitches with the ball not bobbling about...at least they would until they got sent off. Modern footballers would destroy players from the 70s and 80 on sheer power and fitness. However if they had the same starting point, i.e. fitness levels, diet, coaching, pitches, etc. Mally Brown, Brian Stanton and one or two others would get in the current team. Training and conditioning are much better now, but to win games you need heart and guts, that is something we have been missing for some time. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 7, 2024 20:37:26 GMT 1
Modern footballers would destroy players from the 70s and 80 on sheer power and fitness. However if they had the same starting point, i.e. fitness levels, diet, coaching, pitches, etc. Mally Brown, Brian Stanton and one or two others would get in the current team. Training and conditioning are much better now, but to win games you need heart and guts, that is something we have been missing for some time. Not arguing. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 8, 2024 9:57:47 GMT 1
I would suggest that the superior fitness today is - perhaps counterintuitively - the reason players miss more time out with injury.
Today's footballers are athletes, operating far closer to the limits of human capability than their predecessors. So, if you had a slight knock, it was easier to play through the pain because your opponents weren't at peak physical fitness.
Soft tissue injuries are far more common as well.
It would be interesting to see the Liverpool side in the 80s or the Man Utd side of the 90s and how they'd get on if you could put them in a time machine and have them playing today. I'm willing to bet they'd not do as well...
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Post by football on Sept 8, 2024 10:06:58 GMT 1
I would suggest that the superior fitness today is - perhaps counterintuitively - the reason players miss more time out with injury. Today's footballers are athletes, operating far closer to the limits of human capability than their predecessors. So, if you had a slight knock, it was easier to play through the pain because your opponents weren't at peak physical fitness. Soft tissue injuries are far more common as well. It would be interesting to see the Liverpool side in the 80s or the Man Utd side of the 90s and how they'd get on if you could put them in a time machine and have them playing today. I'm willing to bet they'd not do as well... Especially with the amount of reds they'd be picking up |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 8, 2024 11:18:40 GMT 1
I would suggest that the superior fitness today is - perhaps counterintuitively - the reason players miss more time out with injury. Today's footballers are athletes, operating far closer to the limits of human capability than their predecessors. So, if you had a slight knock, it was easier to play through the pain because your opponents weren't at peak physical fitness. Soft tissue injuries are far more common as well. It would be interesting to see the Liverpool side in the 80s or the Man Utd side of the 90s and how they'd get on if you could put them in a time machine and have them playing today. I'm willing to bet they'd not do as well... Especially with the amount of reds they'd be picking up Roy Keane's back catalogue. Vinnie Jones's back catalogue. Steve Mounie's sending off for being tackled vs Brighton. |
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Post by swam4mwg on Sept 8, 2024 15:47:17 GMT 1
Although the game has changed a lot since then, it is always the players who need to be winners. Not so many mercenaries in those days. I would actually say the players were more 'working class' back then. You rarely see a player in town today having a drink . Players today are a lot fitter and probably healthier. Not sure Mick Buxton's methods would suit today's players either 😀
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Post by crux on Sept 8, 2024 15:58:35 GMT 1
I have nothing scientific to back this up, but I would say the game is much faster today. I think the style of play is different as well. Back in the day you either beat your man, or they tackled or fouled you. What we see nowadays is players niggling all the time, sly pulls of the shirt etc. Back in the day a bad foul was noticeable because the player stayed down with a legitimate injury, you can’t actually tell if a player is injured nowadays because they’re all cheating bastards. Finally, players of today are softer because they know there’s probably a 1 in 2 chance of them being subbed. Back in the day it was 11 on the pitch and 1 sub, keeper gets injured, an outfield player took the gloves and green jersey. In summary they’re molly coddled to the nth degree. Forget wondering about how the players of 82/83 would fare in the modern game, I’d stick some of these lads back into the 1980’s because I doubt many could hack it… Just imagine the likes of Ben Wiles or that soft as shite excuse for a striker Bojan in the 82/83 team! They wouldn’t last 30 minutes. 😂😂😂 Not sure how many would last the warm-up! We can't even get everybody the get to the end of it now 😉🤣 |
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Post by digs on Sept 9, 2024 12:23:46 GMT 1
The 24/25 team cant pass the ball for a start,Brian Stanton would piss all over our midfield,he once scored more goals in 6 minutes than our strikers can manage in a season.
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Post by Bubbles on Sept 9, 2024 12:43:19 GMT 1
The 24/25 team cant pass the ball for a start,Brian Stanton would piss all over our midfield,he once scored more goals in 6 minutes than our strikers can manage in a season. New Year’s Day 1983. Town 6 Bradford City 3 I would love to see some footage of that game but I’ve never been able to find any. |
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Post by midlander on Sept 9, 2024 12:46:52 GMT 1
Ah those wonderful Buxton years. After five games of that season, we had three points, sat 22nd in the league and our last home game had been witnessed by under 4300 fans. We actually only won two of our first ten matches as well. Look back fondly on that era but suggestions it was all rosey and wonderful are wide of the mark.
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Post by willo on Sept 9, 2024 13:19:05 GMT 1
The 24/25 team cant pass the ball for a start,Brian Stanton would piss all over our midfield,he once scored more goals in 6 minutes than our strikers can manage in a season. New Year’s Day 1983. Town 6 Bradford City 3 I would love to see some footage of that game but I’ve never been able to find any. Incredible game. |
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Post by irverino on Sept 9, 2024 13:30:55 GMT 1
New Year’s Day 1983. Town 6 Bradford City 3 I would love to see some footage of that game but I’ve never been able to find any. Incredible game. Chesterfield at home & Lincoln away a few days earlier (27/28 Dec) weren't bad......What a week. |
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Post by Bubbles on Sept 9, 2024 13:59:07 GMT 1
Ah those wonderful Buxton years. After five games of that season, we had three points, sat 22nd in the league and our last home game had been witnessed by under 4300 fans. We actually only won two of our first ten matches as well. Look back fondly on that era but suggestions it was all rosey and wonderful are wide of the mark. The last time we got automatic promotion (41 years and counting)and we're not allowed even a little bit of rose-tinted nostalgia? If we can't celebrate that..well what can we celebrate exactly?  |
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