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Post by hoggy1975 on Sept 10, 2024 15:31:21 GMT 1
This all feels a bit like when folk where insisting that 30 plus Jordan Rhodes ‘still had it’ and would easy get 15 a season given the service or Healey who’ll be absolutely unbelievable if he stays fit. Another 30 plus journeyman who were left hoping can rekindle form of seasons gone by. Time will tell but it all feels test again a bit of a last minute panic dressed up by Cartwright as an carefully thought out move. If he scores as many as Rhodes did in League One last year then i'll be happy... |
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Post by dezzly on Sept 10, 2024 15:33:06 GMT 1
EFL League One 0.13 goals per 90 mins v 1.08 per 90 mins, ye about the same. Very selective use of statistics to needlessly stick the boot in to Town. Alfie May (31): 13,903 minutes in League One, 77 goals. A goal every 180.5 minutes. Freddie Ladapo (31): 12,898 minutes in League One, 67 goals. A goal every 192.5 minutes. Take any player on a short run of games and it'll give a misleading impression. Yeh I think need to go off a larger sample. Tbh we just need to go off what he does for us. The only thing that bothers me is the two year deal. |
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Post by dezzly on Sept 10, 2024 15:36:18 GMT 1
Fact is even if your selective facts are right both don't have a great goal scoring record, but facts aside it's the here and now that matters . Every time we sign a striker some go on like we signed Messi or the legend Marcus Stewart. Give it a few weeks if he hasn't scored they will be singing a different tune. I would be very happy if I am proven wrong then you're all welcome to stick the boot into me, metaphorically of course. My statistic isn't selective. It's every game each player has ever played at this level. The literal opposite of selective. Both are the definition of proven goalscorers at this level, over a significant period of time. In any career, players go through hot and cold spells of form, so taking a tiny snapshot can't be regarded as representative, as I'll demonstrate. It's interesting that May also lost form last season, at around the same time Ladapo was struggling to find goals. He didn't suffer as much, but, penalties aside, he only scored 6 times after 9th December. That included a run of one goal in 13 between 16th December and 24th February: directly comparable with Ladapo's one in 14 at the same club at the same time. Perhaps the issue wasn't the players in front of goal, but those providing them with opportunities? It's strange how May has gone from not scoring to getting a goal a game in very short order - perhaps he's suddenly been given chances by a team set up to make better use of his own attributes? We had May - same age, similar goalscoring record - lined up for £750,000 and fans were salivating. We sign Ladapo - with his proven record of being a part of successful sides at this level - for nothing and it's as though it's the second coming of Craig Whitington or Fola Onibuje for some. We're short up front, as the club has acknowledged. Between windows, we're restricted to free agents. A look at the free agent list, and it's slim pickings; some decent players, but many of those won't drop to League One even if it means the end of their careers. Ladapo wasn't available two weeks ago; he became available, and we've signed him. I can virtually guarantee that had he gone to, say, Bolton, half the Town fans moaning about us signing him would be moaning about us being caught cold in the market and him going elsewhere. Some of the hyperbole has been ridicolous. I've seen Ladapo compared to Hudlin for instance. Hudlin is never likely to make it at League One level. If he scores 5 goals at this level in his career I'll be surprised; I'll be surprised if he plays 15 games at this level, never mind scores goals. But Ladapo has fired sides to promotion in this division three times. He may well have deficiencies in his all-round game. He may be someone who doesn't contribute much outside putting the finishing touches to the work of others. I don't think he'll hold the ball up and act as a big foil for another player. He'll be there to get half a yard in the danger area and score a goal - that thing we've struggled to do when we've created chances. It's clear from the players we've gone for that we've been looking for a fox in the box who may not bring much to all-round play - and I have my own view on that - and Ladapo does fit that bill, as do May and Taylor. He may not score the goals we expect. He might prove to be a busted flush. That's football. I'm not going to dance around telling people 'I told you so' either way. But give the lad a chance and please don't use very narrow, very selective statistics. As the old saying goes, form is temporary. basically the exact points I wanted to make but wasn’t clever enough to do so 🥴 |
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Post by mosher on Sept 10, 2024 15:37:10 GMT 1
Very selective use of statistics to needlessly stick the boot in to Town. Alfie May (31): 13,903 minutes in League One, 77 goals. A goal every 180.5 minutes. Freddie Ladapo (31): 12,898 minutes in League One, 67 goals. A goal every 192.5 minutes. Take any player on a short run of games and it'll give a misleading impression. Yeh I think need to go off a larger sample. Tbh we just need to go off what he does for us. The only thing that bothers me is the two year deal.Yeah, I think one year with an option to extend would have been better, but I'm happy with signing him overall I think. Looking at the long-term stats, he isn't FAR off May's and as someone pointed out he and May had the same kind of record during the period Ladapo was loaned to Charlton. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2024 15:38:20 GMT 1
Say what? Quick google shows Freddie with 0.53 goals per 90 minutes (pretty decent) and Alfie May with 1.08 goals per 90 minutes (very decent). That's from Footystats, no idea if it's accurate or not but why publish if not. Don't get me wrong I'm delighted we've signed him and am as sick of all the negative shit that's getting posted on here (2 years, do we not learn anything?, probably be injured by 1st October etc etc is tedious to say the least) lately as you probably are but there doesn't seem much of a comparison between the 2 to be fair. Negativity is one thing reality another, the stats don't lie as they say. I hope I am wrong and everyone else is right, I really would like to see him score a load. Then how about giving him a chance before picking out the worst stats you can find and branding his signing as ‘same old Town’? |
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Post by mosher on Sept 10, 2024 15:39:49 GMT 1
Negativity is one thing reality another, the stats don't lie as they say. I hope I am wrong and everyone else is right, I really would like to see him score a load. Then how about giving him a chance before picking out the worst stats you can find and branding his signing as ‘same old Town’? That's not how DATM works mate, he's either going to be shit or world class. And some (on both sides of the argument) won't change their tune even if they're proved wrong  |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 10, 2024 15:45:32 GMT 1
Say what? Quick google shows Freddie with 0.53 goals per 90 minutes (pretty decent) and Alfie May with 1.08 goals per 90 minutes (very decent). That's from Footystats, no idea if it's accurate or not but why publish if not. Don't get me wrong I'm delighted we've signed him and am as sick of all the negative shit that's getting posted on here (2 years, do we not learn anything?, probably be injured by 1st October etc etc is tedious to say the least) lately as you probably are but there doesn't seem much of a comparison between the 2 to be fair. Negativity is one thing reality another, the stats don't lie as they say. I hope I am wrong and everyone else is right, I really would like to see him score a load. Maybe if the stats were researched properly and not on half a season on loan at Charlton. It's like saying Harry Kane is worse than Grealish because Grealish is averaging 1.00 in the Nations League and Kane 0. |
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Sept 10, 2024 15:45:41 GMT 1
If he hadn't have come here, I'd have been one moaning, why hadn't we acted etc
He scores all sorts of goals, is a bigger presence up top, hasn't had a history of injuries, proven at this level, a winner and is obviously hungry to play.
Looking forward to Saturday.
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Post by dezzly on Sept 10, 2024 15:46:55 GMT 1
Yeh I think need to go off a larger sample. Tbh we just need to go off what he does for us. The only thing that bothers me is the two year deal.Yeah, I think one year with an option to extend would have been better, but I'm happy with signing him overall I think. Looking at the long-term stats, he isn't FAR off May's and as someone pointed out he and May had the same kind of record during the period Ladapo was loaned to Charlton. It was probably as case of him saying no to one year and the club have had to offer 2.Potentially on less money a week but for a longer period but that we will probably never know. If it’s sign him on a two year deal or not at all it’s probably worth the risk with ward out of contract next year I think most would agree track record wise ladapo is a better option. Koroma I believe is also out of contract next year.If we were to get targets between now and then or into next summer ladapo would be a decent player to deputise. |
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Post by Bubbles on Sept 10, 2024 15:50:38 GMT 1
I’m claiming credit for this signing as he’s in my fantasy football squad so he’s already familiar with the mighty terriers.😉
First Town player since Aaron Mooy…
(Oh ok…the only way I could afford to have both Salah and Haaland was to have 3 cheap Ipswich reserves on the bench..) 🙈
Anyhoo …Ready Freddie? crazy lil’ thing called Town.😁
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 10, 2024 15:55:35 GMT 1
Yeah, I think one year with an option to extend would have been better, but I'm happy with signing him overall I think. Looking at the long-term stats, he isn't FAR off May's and as someone pointed out he and May had the same kind of record during the period Ladapo was loaned to Charlton. It was probably as case of him saying no to one year and the club have had to offer 2.Potentially on less money a week but for a longer period but that we will probably never know. If it’s sign him on a two year deal or not at all it’s probably worth the risk with ward out of contract next year I think most would agree track record wise ladapo is a better option. Koroma I believe is also out of contract next year.If we were to get targets between now and then or into next summer ladapo would be a decent player to deputise. Exactly my thinking. Ward, Koroma, Marshall will all be out of contract or loan finished. Bojan likely goes, he doesn’t want to be here and I’d say we will want rid by end of the year. Leaving us Healey and Ladapo, so there’ll be plenty of work to do in the next 4 windows to sort out our next generation of front line players. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 10, 2024 16:15:59 GMT 1
Seems like a good option to add to the mix after we missed out on the Taylor lad.
An experienced winner at this level.
Well done Town.
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Post by jasrick on Sept 10, 2024 16:27:32 GMT 1
Just watched his highlights and one of his goals looked very odd. The ball was placed on a painted white circle in the middle of the area and all the other players were stood on the edge of the area waiting for Ladapo to take a free shot at goal. What’s that all about??
Can’t imagine he’ll get opportunities like that at Town.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 10, 2024 16:31:49 GMT 1
Like most players we sign I seldom have a view on how good they are before they pull on the blue and white stripes.
One of the problems with the perception, and it is only a perception, of this signing is that it is an "after thought", some may say one born of desperation.
As far as FL is concerned this can go one of two ways:
1 - He won't be able to do any right and be under unfair pressure
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2 - He can think "sod it, I'll show this lot"
Whatever anyone thinks the lad deserves a fair chance.
You never know, even though this wasn't the "plan" it might just work out really well.
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Post by griffa on Sept 10, 2024 16:34:54 GMT 1
Welcome to Huddersfield Town - Freddie Ladapo - UTT.
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Sept 10, 2024 16:38:33 GMT 1
Just watched his highlights and one of his goals looked very odd. The ball was placed on a painted white circle in the middle of the area and all the other players were stood on the edge of the area waiting for Ladapo to take a free shot at goal. What’s that all about?? Can’t imagine he’ll get opportunities like that at Town. Ive seen our players stood around the white lined area, before the opposition get a free shot at our GK many times. Weird isn't it! |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 10, 2024 16:54:04 GMT 1
Then how about giving him a chance before picking out the worst stats you can find and branding his signing as ‘same old Town’? That's not how DATM works mate, he's either going to be shit or world class. And some (on both sides of the argument) won't change their tune even if they're proved wrong Mosh, your wrong mate.. We sign shit.. We sign world class.. But we have been known to sign world class shit😉 As always I will give him a fair go before plumping for one of the above..🤔 |
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Post by morrisraspass on Sept 10, 2024 17:38:16 GMT 1
"La-da-po, aha aha, I like it, aha aha."
Fuck me rigid etc
Could be a good signing, nice one Town.
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Post by runner76 on Sept 10, 2024 18:14:52 GMT 1
"La-da-po, aha aha, I like it, aha aha." Fuck me rigid etc Could be a good signing, nice one Town. Funky. Could work. or La-la-la-la-la-la-LAAAAA-PA-DO |
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Post by htfcterry on Sept 10, 2024 18:14:52 GMT 1
Love Cartwrights comments
"Monitored all summer.."
"Acted swiftly."
It's almost like he hasn't noticed that the fans are aware we missed out on 2 players and the window shut almost 2 weeks ago.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Sept 10, 2024 18:19:23 GMT 1
Love Cartwrights comments "Monitored all summer.." "Acted swiftly." It's almost like he hasn't noticed that the fans are aware we missed out on 2 players and the window shut almost 2 weeks ago. Almost like he is a second hand car dealer type? He would probs be able to talk you into buying ... |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 10, 2024 18:23:11 GMT 1
Then how about giving him a chance before picking out the worst stats you can find and branding his signing as ‘same old Town’? That's not how DATM works mate, he's either going to be shit or world class. And some (on both sides of the argument) won't change their tune even if they're proved wrong I am happy to be proved wrong time will tell, problem is before you know it time has run out. I think there are three sides on DATM, I told you so side, well you were right side and the side that thinks losing in a tin pot cup is no big deal. |
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Post by alex on Sept 10, 2024 18:34:40 GMT 1
You know what, this lads' power and Marshall's energy might work really well up front. I have a good feeling about this.
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Post by mosher on Sept 10, 2024 18:40:36 GMT 1
Whilst I take Cartwright’s comments with a pinch (nay, a bucketful) of salt, it IS possible we were monitoring his situation contract-wise.
He was only released a week n half ago so anything’s possible.
But with Cartwright’s past record I’m inclined to agree, even if we monitored the situation, that we’ve only gone for him as Plan C, rather than Cartwright’s intimation that he was on top of the situation the whole time
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 10, 2024 18:51:04 GMT 1
You know what, this lads' power and Marshall's energy might work really well up front. I have a good feeling about this. So you're not starting the player who has looked like our most threatening so far, Koroma? He's started the season really well and looks a lot better upfront than out wide in my opinion. Granted his appearances out wide were all at a higher level |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2024 19:04:12 GMT 1
I think it’s fair to say that if we get all our strikers fit (and i know that’s a big if😭) then we have a good blend of different styles of strikers. We’ve got a bigger, physical striker in Ladapo, a creative dribbler in Koroma, an energetic pacy youngster in Marshall, a physical energetic poacher in Healey and a more classy player witt the ball at his feet in Radulovic. That is 5 very decent options for League One, and while I feel like there is no standout 20 goal a season player in there (Healey if he gets fit maybe) the quality in rotation and off the bench should be very useful throughout the season.
Note - I haven’t forgotten Ward, he’s just useless😂
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 10, 2024 19:09:02 GMT 1
I think it’s fair to say that if we get all our strikers fit (and i know that’s a big if😭) then we have a good blend of different styles of strikers. We’ve got a bigger, physical striker in Ladapo, a creative dribbler in Koroma, an energetic pacy youngster in Marshall, a physical energetic poacher in Healey and a more classy player witt the ball at his feet in Radulovic. That is 5 very decent options for League One, and while I feel like there is no standout 20 goal a season player in there (Healey if he gets fit maybe) the quality in rotation and off the bench should be very useful throughout the season. Note - I haven’t forgotten Ward, he’s just useless😂 Marshall isn't Pacy. He's not slow but he definitely isn't quick |
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Post by softboy on Sept 10, 2024 19:09:25 GMT 1
You know what, this lads' power and Marshall's energy might work really well up front. I have a good feeling about this. So you're not starting the player who has looked like our most threatening so far, Koroma? He's started the season really well and looks a lot better upfront than out wide in my opinion. Granted his appearances out wide were all at a higher level |
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Post by softboy on Sept 10, 2024 19:10:33 GMT 1
Are you saying we have too many strikers now?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2024 19:16:45 GMT 1
I think it’s fair to say that if we get all our strikers fit (and i know that’s a big if😭) then we have a good blend of different styles of strikers. We’ve got a bigger, physical striker in Ladapo, a creative dribbler in Koroma, an energetic pacy youngster in Marshall, a physical energetic poacher in Healey and a more classy player witt the ball at his feet in Radulovic. That is 5 very decent options for League One, and while I feel like there is no standout 20 goal a season player in there (Healey if he gets fit maybe) the quality in rotation and off the bench should be very useful throughout the season. Note - I haven’t forgotten Ward, he’s just useless😂 Marshall isn't Pacy. He's not slow but he definitely isn't quick From what I’ve seen of him, he looks pretty quick to me |
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