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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 25, 2024 15:20:52 GMT 1
What we have done is the usual wheeler dealer business bringing in supposed good value signings when we should.be aiming much higher and aggressively going after quality. Of course we would need to have the right scouts and executives for that to happen.....
Bugger.
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Post by calderdaleterrier on Sept 25, 2024 15:26:35 GMT 1
Our squad isn't the best but its not bad. We have some good players and some average ones, almost all now playing badly. Again we have another new manager a with decent record looking suspect. Despite all the changes in personel we have returned to that losing, fearful, negative mentality that we've had for the last 3 seasons (apart from the spell under Warnock). All this to me points to something the stinks at the heart of the club. How can can all these individuals, new and old, underperform so badly in exactly the same way and in the same manner that we've seen so many times before? This all points to a much deeper problem What the hell is it? Something in the water? Something overpowering in the negative aura created by a mismanaged and neglected town and its crumbling infrastructure, buildings and population, psychologically rubbing off on the football club and its employees? Similarly affecting the Giants? |
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Post by calderdaleterrier on Sept 25, 2024 15:37:03 GMT 1
As duff said its between the ears ... in their heads.
They can't take the pressure of expectation from home support. They don't think they are good enough.
Strongly believe they need a sports psychologist to come in. They need some NLP or CBT.
This lack of self belief is also no belief in the other players. It explains why no formation works.
It's all part of change psychology too.
Whatever, it won't be a quick fix.
A bad result away will take it to away games as well.
Ps a Norwegian sports psychologist has sorted out penalty problems..England ladies I think.
Whilst understandable, being booed off at both halves will just exasperate this feeling of being useless.
The joke is, all the posters at the ground talk about being strong and together. They need to start believing it!!
Ifvits not sorted it's going to get worst.
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Post by soapystevens on Sept 25, 2024 16:06:00 GMT 1
Last night on the touchline you could hear bellowing out his instructions Steve Bruce but i didn't hear much from the Town bench, maybe i am just sitting too far away but it's the same on the pitch. I have never seen a Town team devoid of so much passion at this stage of the season or that is how it seems, they go a goal down and it seems like "oh here we go again".
I think we need more than a Psychologist, i seem to remember Lee Clark bringing someone in but i can't remember what happened.
I believe at Bolton after the Town result, they had a meeting to sort things out, it seems to have worked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2024 16:12:08 GMT 1
We keep getting shitty managers who learned from videos and shit like xg instead of getting proper experience. Proven by the difference between an old head like Steve Bruce. Blackpool were good tonight and were fairly decent to watch, duff instead micro manages everything to the point where we won’t even have a shot from outside the penalty box. We have had three decent managers in the last ten years. One is the oldest available with more experience than I don’t know what - Warnock. Carlos who worked under a legendary manager who revolutionised football. And Wagner who worked under klopp at one of the best youth clubs in the world. They had learnt from the best. Duff has learnt from Sean dyche who makes Tony pulis look brilliant and himself lost to Darren Moore in a playoff. How the hell has Duff done so well at this level if he is as bad as you make out? The only poor spell he had was at Swansea. Also if Dyche is a bad teacher how did he keep Burnley in the prem for so long? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2024 16:13:31 GMT 1
What we have done is the usual wheeler dealer business bringing in supposed good value signings when we should.be aiming much higher and aggressively going after quality. Of course we would need to have the right scouts and executives for that to happen..... Bugger. All the players brought in have done very well at this level except the loans and they all look decent players. Making them into a good team is the issue. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 25, 2024 17:11:02 GMT 1
We keep getting shitty managers who learned from videos and shit like xg instead of getting proper experience. Proven by the difference between an old head like Steve Bruce. Blackpool were good tonight and were fairly decent to watch, duff instead micro manages everything to the point where we won’t even have a shot from outside the penalty box. We have had three decent managers in the last ten years. One is the oldest available with more experience than I don’t know what - Warnock. Carlos who worked under a legendary manager who revolutionised football. And Wagner who worked under klopp at one of the best youth clubs in the world. They had learnt from the best. Duff has learnt from Sean dyche who makes Tony pulis look brilliant and himself lost to Darren Moore in a playoff. How the hell has Duff done so well at this level if he is as bad as you make out? The only poor spell he had was at Swansea. Also if Dyche is a bad teacher how did he keep Burnley in the prem for so long? you can cherry pick examples but duff hasn’t done so well at this level really. He’s not got out of it. And Sean dyche is exact proof of what I mean, he scraped through every season with an old fashioned Burnley side. Now he’s got a decent squad of players that have folded from winning positions in every game this season. |
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Post by theterrier42 on Sept 25, 2024 18:13:37 GMT 1
Perhaps it’s the smell of new paint and work pods in the fantastic new offices. Or more likely the stench eminates from the ruthless nature this lot got rid of successful employees such as Warnock and to a certain extent loyal servants such as Ann Hough but are allowing Mr Edwards and Mr Cartwright to carry on. Emperors new clothes springs to mind. I won’t have the Edwards slander. I think people are misinterpreting his job and painting him as the same as Cartwright. He is off the field, which to be honest has been the only improvement recently. Cartwright however should have been sacked months ago, or more to the point never appointed in the first place. |
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Post by NumeroUno on Sept 25, 2024 18:30:23 GMT 1
Other than completely sacking everyone and rebuilding the entire club from scratch, I feel the best thing Nagle can do now is hire a psychologist, alongside pushing the club rebrand.
Something isn’t right at the club for both players and staff to possess such a loser mindset. Everyone seems so passive and submissive with the club vibe generally being quite pathetic in recent years.
It became ingrained in the club since the stupid “small dog” messaging. The rebrand over the summer has helped but it’s clearly deep rooted into many people associated with the club and has spread incredibly quickly even to new players. As Duff says, it’s not lack of ability but mentality, the only issue is it’s probably not something he’ll be able to sort himself and needs a very talented professional to get it out of every club employee.
People may call Wrexham or Birmingham fans arrogant but they’re perfectly justified to behave that way because thats a representation of their clubs. They know that they go into every match, regardless who it is against, expecting a win or to go down swinging - when was the last time Town gave people that feeling?
It’s not about players, recruitment or money spent as really only Birmingham have a much better squad and they got relegated with us. Attitude and momentum can get you far as Stockport and Wrexham have already proved so far this season, and as we’ve seen ourselves from Northampton and Blackpool.
We’ll only continue to underachieve and just get by, slowly going downhill, until this mindset and attitude changes. Ironically, that goes for the council and Huddersfield as a whole as well…
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 25, 2024 18:32:23 GMT 1
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Post by wigster on Sept 25, 2024 18:37:14 GMT 1
Basically it’s because the players we have are simply not good enough. The manager persists with his 3-5-2. We have zero quality up front. Something every fan knew in the summer. So much of this is on Cartwright and his football manager esq recruitment. It’s a very worrying situation. It's a broken record isn't it . Cartwright's recruitment record is appalling. Sorensen can't defend - we were told this by his previous club's supporters, Wiles has never recovered from his injury - again we were told this by Rotherham fans,Heeley was injury prone at his previous club - again we were told etc etc, and we have now given a two year contract to Freddie - look at his record last season. We genuinely don't have a decent striker at the club.I don't blame Marshall as he's playing his first ever league matches at our expense. Seriously, how Cartwright is still here is a mystery. He is incredibly expensive at every level. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 25, 2024 18:45:03 GMT 1
Basically it’s because the players we have are simply not good enough. The manager persists with his 3-5-2. We have zero quality up front. Something every fan knew in the summer. So much of this is on Cartwright and his football manager esq recruitment. It’s a very worrying situation. It's a broken record isn't it . Cartwright's recruitment record is appalling. Sorensen can't defend - we were told this by his previous club's supporters, Wiles has never recovered from his injury - again we were told this by Rotherham fans,Heeley was injury prone at his previous club - again we were told etc etc, and we have now given a two year contract to Freddie - look at his record last season. We genuinely don't have a decent striker at the club.I don't blame Marshall as he's playing his first ever league matches at our expense. Seriously, how Cartwright is still here is a mystery. He is incredibly expensive at every level. 100% correct. It beggars belief that Nagle cannot see it. But does he care ? What is he really doing to improve the playing squad ? How much is he actually spending ? Clearly he is near to owning the ground. I’m starting to worry about his real intentions. He is certainly getting his “arse” whipped by the other Americans involved in League one. He is supposed to be a billionaire ? If he was really ready for the fight he would have invested more surely ? Hard not to be negative at the minute. No attack and aging slow defence that can’t play duff’s preferred system. |
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Post by sabailand on Sept 25, 2024 18:45:26 GMT 1
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 25, 2024 18:48:21 GMT 1
Oh and don’t bother quoting FFP. Birmingham and Wrexham have found a way around it. Plus Nagle owns many companies. If he was really up for the journey surely some “income “ could have been generated there.
Jury well out for me on Nagle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2024 20:17:10 GMT 1
Michael Duff was certainly alluding to how poor the home supporters are. Hardly any noise unless we score and moans and groans when things don’t go right not to mention the boos. The players may not be playing well but how did we become such a shite crowd?
I know all the usual suspects on here will say ‘they need to give us something to cheer for’ but we used to be really behind the team, win, lose or draw and now we are generally just crap. What a sorry state.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 25, 2024 20:27:30 GMT 1
Michael Duff was certainly alluding to how poor the home supporters are. Hardly any noise unless we score and moans and groans when things don’t go right not to mention the boos. The players may not be playing well but how did we become such a shite crowd? I know all the usual suspects on here will say ‘they need to give us something to cheer for’ but we used to be really behind the team, win, lose or draw and now we are generally just crap. What a sorry state. Yeah well when you’ve been crap and acting like little dogs for years what more can they expect. We as fans have seen us have the worst goal difference of any club, a season where we won 3 games. It’s hard to get enthusiastic, especially when they make the same mistakes season after season |
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Post by pterrier on Sept 25, 2024 20:31:44 GMT 1
Michael Duff was certainly alluding to how poor the home supporters are. Hardly any noise unless we score and moans and groans when things don’t go right not to mention the boos. The players may not be playing well but how did we become such a shite crowd? I know all the usual suspects on here will say ‘they need to give us something to cheer for’ but we used to be really behind the team, win, lose or draw and now we are generally just crap. What a sorry state. What a load of bollocks, the fans have been remarkably loyal after witnessing complete shite on the pitch for a long time now, season upon season (barring the miracle Carlos pulled off). I’d actually argue that we have very low expectations. Duff needs to come up with something quick because otherwise this is going the same way as Moore; any town fan with the slightest bit of footballing knowledge can spot that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2024 20:34:17 GMT 1
Michael Duff was certainly alluding to how poor the home supporters are. Hardly any noise unless we score and moans and groans when things don’t go right not to mention the boos. The players may not be playing well but how did we become such a shite crowd? I know all the usual suspects on here will say ‘they need to give us something to cheer for’ but we used to be really behind the team, win, lose or draw and now we are generally just crap. What a sorry state. What a load of bollocks, the fans have been remarkably loyal after witnessing complete shite on the pitch for a long time now, season upon season (barring the miracle Carlos pulled off). I’d actually argue that we have very low expectations. Duff needs to come up with something quick because otherwise this is going the same way as Moore; any town fan with the slightest bit of footballing knowledge can spot that. You think we are a good vocal home crowd? Like we were 10 and more years ago? |
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Post by Sio on Sept 25, 2024 20:40:28 GMT 1
Michael Duff was certainly alluding to how poor the home supporters are. Hardly any noise unless we score and moans and groans when things don’t go right not to mention the boos. The players may not be playing well but how did we become such a shite crowd? I know all the usual suspects on here will say ‘they need to give us something to cheer for’ but we used to be really behind the team, win, lose or draw and now we are generally just crap. What a sorry state. Are you for real? Aren't we something like the worst performing club across the entire football league over the past decade or so? Our home atmospheres have depleted since the Premier League days, no denying, but we still have a good home crowd for decent chunks of any season. You should do some ground hopping - you might appreciate how good we can be at our place. The past couple of games, fine, terrible, but nobody can be blamed for that whatsoever. |
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Post by pterrier on Sept 25, 2024 20:42:46 GMT 1
What a load of bollocks, the fans have been remarkably loyal after witnessing complete shite on the pitch for a long time now, season upon season (barring the miracle Carlos pulled off). I’d actually argue that we have very low expectations. Duff needs to come up with something quick because otherwise this is going the same way as Moore; any town fan with the slightest bit of footballing knowledge can spot that. You think we are a good vocal home crowd? Like we were 10 and more years ago? It might not be the loudest crowd but nor is it toxic; it’s very placid on the whole. There’s plenty of crowds who create more hostile atmospheres against their own players than we do. And if you expect it to be bouncing like it was under Wagner then I despair, we’re fresh off the back of some miserable seasons and a relegation. Performing appallingly to every team who has visited us this season and in that context I’d say the fans have been remarkably positive - although I will admit the reaction to headley’s substitution the other day was pathetic from some. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2024 20:46:25 GMT 1
Michael Duff was certainly alluding to how poor the home supporters are. Hardly any noise unless we score and moans and groans when things don’t go right not to mention the boos. The players may not be playing well but how did we become such a shite crowd? I know all the usual suspects on here will say ‘they need to give us something to cheer for’ but we used to be really behind the team, win, lose or draw and now we are generally just crap. What a sorry state. Are you for real? Aren't we something like the worst performing club across the entire football league over the past decade or so? Our home atmospheres have depleted since the Premier League days, no denying, but we still have a good home crowd for decent chunks of any season. You should do some ground hopping - you might appreciate how good we can be at our place. The past couple of games, fine, terrible, but nobody can be blamed for that whatsoever. I remember how we used to be as a crowd before we split the singing section off. We struggled for acoustics but the whole Kilner Bank used to belt it out. Yes we have been poor but maybe if we have the team more backing when they were struggling they would respond. Something has to change and as a crowd it is one thing we can control. I get quite down at games when there is so little vocal support. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 25, 2024 20:47:49 GMT 1
Michael Duff was certainly alluding to how poor the home supporters are. Hardly any noise unless we score and moans and groans when things don’t go right not to mention the boos. The players may not be playing well but how did we become such a shite crowd? I know all the usual suspects on here will say ‘they need to give us something to cheer for’ but we used to be really behind the team, win, lose or draw and now we are generally just crap. What a sorry state. Are you for real? Aren't we something like the worst performing club across the entire football league over the past decade or so? Our home atmospheres have depleted since the Premier League days, no denying, but we still have a good home crowd for decent chunks of any season. You should do some ground hopping - you might appreciate how good we can be at our place. The past couple of games, fine, terrible, but nobody can be blamed for that whatsoever. Can't argue with the numbers, particularly after relegation, obviously helped by the (relatively) cheap tickets. On Saturday against Northampton, whilst we were 3rd in the league, fans were booing players for passing backwards. I think this directly led to a few instances of possession being lost through panic balls over the top to avoid being booed for passing back. Headley and Hogg (our club captain and longest serving player) were booed off the pitch also. For having bad games. No one can deny your point about us being the worst performing team in the EFL etc but you also can't deny that the above actions by fans are in any way helping us progress. |
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Post by Sio on Sept 25, 2024 20:48:44 GMT 1
Are you for real? Aren't we something like the worst performing club across the entire football league over the past decade or so? Our home atmospheres have depleted since the Premier League days, no denying, but we still have a good home crowd for decent chunks of any season. You should do some ground hopping - you might appreciate how good we can be at our place. The past couple of games, fine, terrible, but nobody can be blamed for that whatsoever. I remember how we used to be as a crowd before we split the singing section off. We struggled for acoustics but the whole Kilner Bank used to belt it out. Yes we have been poor but maybe if we have the team more backing when they were struggling they would respond. Something has to change and as a crowd it is one thing we can control. I get quite down at games when there is so little vocal support. If you honestly thought the atmosphere was better before the South Stand then we are on completely different wavelengths |
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Post by Sio on Sept 25, 2024 20:50:44 GMT 1
Are you for real? Aren't we something like the worst performing club across the entire football league over the past decade or so? Our home atmospheres have depleted since the Premier League days, no denying, but we still have a good home crowd for decent chunks of any season. You should do some ground hopping - you might appreciate how good we can be at our place. The past couple of games, fine, terrible, but nobody can be blamed for that whatsoever. Can't argue with the numbers, particularly after relegation, obviously helped by the (relatively) cheap tickets. On Saturday against Northampton, whilst we were 3rd in the league, fans were booing players for passing backwards. I think this directly led to a few instances of possession being lost through panic balls over the top to avoid being booed for passing back. Headley and Hogg (our club captain and longest serving player) were booed off the pitch also. For having bad games. No one can deny your point about us being the worst performing team in the EFL etc but you also can't deny that the above actions by fans are in any way helping us progress. I'm not advocating the booing - that's fine - but I really do think you have to consider the past 6-7 years rather than the past 6-7 games in terms of why our fans are increasingly angry. This is a total issue of accumulation that needs to be managed internally. The fans have been very, very patient and clearly that is wearing thin. |
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Post by giveusanaitch on Sept 25, 2024 20:56:06 GMT 1
I watched the Northampton game on TV (didn't see the Blackpool one thankfully) and it was noticeable that no one went over to Helik to put an arm round him and say something like "forget it Mikel now get down the other end and put one in their net" etc Or when Koroma missed the pen..where was an arm around him saying " forget it Josh...you just scored a brilliant goal..now get us another...this game isn't finished yet" The lack of fight after an adverse action has happened far too often over the last few seasons. What's the solution? Not easy but we need more vocality on the pitch...a captain who does the encouraging as well as bollockings...maybe a psychologist to work on mental frailty with players...maybe an exorcist 😉....any ideas? I'm in agreement with this one. One thing I mentioned before was during the Walsall game in which players didn't seem to be too bothered about scoring and the lack of celebration. I actually think Duff is part of the expectancy problem. I understand he has to be realistic and keep the players focused but after a long period of losing these guys need someone to celebrate their successes with them. That on my opinion is where Warnock cracked it. Someone who actually gets carried away with their small achievements. Someone who made them feel they could beat anyone (direct quote from one of the players). Duff is all about changing the players mentality but maybe he needs to take a look at himself. He's fairly emotionless from what I've seen. Why would anyone run through a brick wall for a manager who just expects quality consistently. I know if I go to work I'm more likely to put the effort in for someone with a bit of a charisma and someone that can enjoy what we do rather than a killjoy who just expects me to turn up do my work and move on to the next day. |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Sept 25, 2024 20:57:50 GMT 1
Michael Duff was certainly alluding to how poor the home supporters are. Hardly any noise unless we score and moans and groans when things don’t go right not to mention the boos. The players may not be playing well but how did we become such a shite crowd? I know all the usual suspects on here will say ‘they need to give us something to cheer for’ but we used to be really behind the team, win, lose or draw and now we are generally just crap. What a sorry state. Bizarre take on things. Duff is mildly irritated at a disappointing run of results. The majority of our fanbase are completely disillusioned as a result of year after year of kicks in the bollocks from every direction, most of it of our own making. Seems very easy to blame the fans when the club has been run like a circus for years, and on paper has got worse since KN took over. Edit - Few others beat me to it. |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Sept 25, 2024 21:00:40 GMT 1
Are you for real? Aren't we something like the worst performing club across the entire football league over the past decade or so? Our home atmospheres have depleted since the Premier League days, no denying, but we still have a good home crowd for decent chunks of any season. You should do some ground hopping - you might appreciate how good we can be at our place. The past couple of games, fine, terrible, but nobody can be blamed for that whatsoever. Can't argue with the numbers, particularly after relegation, obviously helped by the (relatively) cheap tickets. On Saturday against Northampton, whilst we were 3rd in the league, fans were booing players for passing backwards. I think this directly led to a few instances of possession being lost through panic balls over the top to avoid being booed for passing back. Headley and Hogg (our club captain and longest serving player) were booed off the pitch also. For having bad games. No one can deny your point about us being the worst performing team in the EFL etc but you also can't deny that the above actions by fans are in any way helping us progress. But the wider point is who can fucking blame us for venting at the ineptitude which seems to run from top to bottom of the club? |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 25, 2024 21:05:33 GMT 1
Don’t know if anyone saw it last weekend but in Italian football it’s common for the fans to hold the players to account in the stadium. Cagliari got battered 4-0 at home to Napoli and stood in front of the ultras to get berated basically, even their giant pink flamingo mascot Pully had to stand there. Compare that to what happens at town where you’ve got melts saying it’s the fans fault for not cheering enough. Even Man City fans were groaning on Sunday when they were constantly passing it sideways. There’s plenty of clubs
( including one down the road ) who’s fans would already have protested or done something to show the clowns in charge what we really think. We’ve been shit for years, why can’t we complain
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Post by ldr on Sept 25, 2024 22:04:15 GMT 1
Can't argue with the numbers, particularly after relegation, obviously helped by the (relatively) cheap tickets. On Saturday against Northampton, whilst we were 3rd in the league, fans were booing players for passing backwards. I think this directly led to a few instances of possession being lost through panic balls over the top to avoid being booed for passing back. Headley and Hogg (our club captain and longest serving player) were booed off the pitch also. For having bad games. No one can deny your point about us being the worst performing team in the EFL etc but you also can't deny that the above actions by fans are in any way helping us progress. I'm not advocating the booing - that's fine - but I really do think you have to consider the past 6-7 years rather than the past 6-7 games in terms of why our fans are increasingly angry. This is a total issue of accumulation that needs to be managed internally. The fans have been very, very patient and clearly that is wearing thin. I don’t think the fans are angry. They are just apathetic and that’s worse imo. |
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Post by htafcdreams on Sept 25, 2024 22:10:34 GMT 1
Is canalside build on an ancient burial ground ?
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