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Post by space hardware on Sept 26, 2024 22:55:55 GMT 1
Imagine anyone having a go at the fans of this club, after the complete fucking abomination that's transpired since Hoyle's fabled "step change" that should have happened when we went up in 2017.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 27, 2024 6:45:17 GMT 1
Not sure any ground is going to be rocking when you've just lost 3-1 at home to Northampton and then decide to retreat in to your own half and let Blackpool dominate the ball in the opening exchanges of the game.
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Post by detox on Sept 27, 2024 8:53:47 GMT 1
Duff obviously hasn't seen our performances over the past few years, he's not asked questions or bothered to do some research. Nobody seems to have explained to him the utter garbage that has been presented to the fans in previous seasons.
If he knew I don't think he'd have made the comments he did.
Another worrying possibility is no one at the club accepts or understands what the fans are feeling? Can this be true, are they all in a deluded bubble at the JSS?
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Post by dugnet on Sept 27, 2024 9:34:04 GMT 1
Duff obviously hasn't seen our performances over the past few years, he's not asked questions or bothered to do some research. Nobody seems to have explained to him the utter garbage that has been presented to the fans in previous seasons. If he knew I don't think he'd have made the comments he did. Another worrying possibility is no one at the club accepts or understands what the fans are feeling? Can this be true, are they all in a deluded bubble at the JSS? I think there might just be an element of this, the; "oh the fans expect more because we were in the Premier League". If that is pervading in the annals of the JSS and a view held by those at the top end of the club they should not be in post. 1 - I think pretty much all of us expected relegation from the Premier League (at some point) but we equally expected/hoped the club would be better overall. One happened (fair enough) the other has not, and that is as a result of some very poor choices by all those in charge since (relegation). 2 - We (the fans) know what we are watching. Bar the Carlos outlier season, which was a slow burn, we have seen incoherent, disjointed, uncommitted and utterly unconvincing performances. This has been matched by players who have been thrown together largely with no overall identity and plan. When Carlos, whatever people think of him, created a structure and identity it was recklessly abandoned. This is what we have sat witness to. This has been our reality as HTAFC fans. We are a pretty reasonable and realistic bunch overall and understand certain constraints a club of our size has. However, what we are tired of is a litany of poor decisions, a lack of structure/plan and on top of that a patronising tone about expecting too much. The club generated over £300m in revenue as a result of the two seasons in the Premier League and yet we find ourselves struggling to deliver consistent performances that gives hope of a return to the Championship. Currently we cannot even aspire to be as good as Preston North End (I use this as a comparable as they are of a similar size, financially and fan base, but retain their Championship status year in year out). I still believe that Mr Nagle has the right intentions. I will give a let of the first year in charge in that he has no experience of running an English football club and all that entails. My concern is that he isn't learning, possibly because he isn't here enough. Moreover, he maybe being advised by people who may use the excuse "the fans are fractious because they where in the Premier League". If Mr Nagle or Mr Smithers read this I would ask if they have heard that excuse, because it is an excuse, from anyone at the club in the last 18 months. If so I would say that whoever is coming out with that rhetoric needs to be sacked. It is that, utter, nonsense that is not helping this club change direction. The narrative needs to change. We are a League One club. What has gone before is history, it is done. It is has been stated that our immediate aim is promotion back to the Championship, followed by being competitive in that league (for the record I am perfectly fine with that). Yes it is only 7 games in and much can develop but talk of mental weakness and baggage from the past (within the squad and across the club) should have been recognised and addressed by now. It is not an acceptable explanation for performances like the last two we have seen. Duff said in his presser yesterday that we fold in the face of adversity. I thought about this yesterday and I have to say I think that is complete hogwash. We didn't face adversity in our last two games we simply never turned up and allowed ourselves to be well beaten by two teams who were confident, structured and had a plan. The mental issue is across the club but it isn't down to the fans being pissed off because the premier League opportunity was squandered and many subsequent mistakes made. The fans are pissed off because no-one, yet, has really got a handle on the issues across the club and turned us in a new direction. If those at the club want to understand what the problem is start looking at yourselves and being honest. Do that and you might have a chance of changing things and our fortunes. Do that and you might also find what a fantastic fan base you have. A fans base who have been disregarded for years but are desperate to see a team they can get behind and a club they are proud to support. The short term answer is down to Duff and his coaching team to find ways to win, the current approach is not working. In the medium/longer term, assuming Duff does find a way, which he well might do, is for Mr Nagle to look at the bigger picture and determine is things are really getting better. A few good results can mask a few issues and he needs to be honest and really challenge those in his employ to be sure he is on the right track. The truth of course is that I don't know the conversations had within the hallowed corridors of the JSS. I would respectfully ask any of those in charge if they think they are on the right track and if using the excuse of the fans expectations is really something they want to adopt? |
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Post by ram on Sept 27, 2024 9:45:53 GMT 1
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Post by kimbo999 on Sept 27, 2024 9:47:41 GMT 1
I get the feeling that too much is being focused on off the field matters. yes important but they are pointless if there are no fans/customers coz the main focus of any football club what's on the pitch is being neglected there won't be a fan base left to enjoy the other stuff.
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Post by dumbo on Sept 27, 2024 10:03:28 GMT 1
Duff obviously hasn't seen our performances over the past few years, he's not asked questions or bothered to do some research. Nobody seems to have explained to him the utter garbage that has been presented to the fans in previous seasons. If he knew I don't think he'd have made the comments he did. Another worrying possibility is no one at the club accepts or understands what the fans are feeling? Can this be true, are they all in a deluded bubble at the JSS? I think there might just be an element of this, the; "oh the fans expect more because we were in the Premier League". If that is pervading in the annals of the JSS and a view held by those at the top end of the club they should not be in post. 1 - I think pretty much all of us expected relegation from the Premier League (at some point) but we equally expected/hoped the club would be better overall. One happened (fair enough) the other has not, and that is as a result of some very poor choices by all those in charge since (relegation). 2 - We (the fans) know what we are watching. Bar the Carlos outlier season, which was a slow burn, we have seen incoherent, disjointed, uncommitted and utterly unconvincing performances. This has been matched by players who have been thrown together largely with no overall identity and plan. When Carlos, whatever people think of him, created a structure and identity it was recklessly abandoned. This is what we have sat witness to. This has been our reality as HTAFC fans. We are a pretty reasonable and realistic bunch overall and understand certain constraints a club of our size has. However, what we are tired of is a litany of poor decisions, a lack of structure/plan and on top of that a patronising tone about expecting too much. The club generated over £300m in revenue as a result of the two seasons in the Premier League and yet we find ourselves struggling to deliver consistent performances that gives hope of a return to the Championship. Currently we cannot even aspire to be as good as Preston North End (I use this as a comparable as they are of a similar size, financially and fan base, but retain their Championship status year in year out). I still believe that Mr Nagle has the right intentions. I will give a let of the first year in charge in that he has no experience of running an English football club and all that entails. My concern is that he isn't learning, possibly because he isn't here enough. Moreover, he maybe being advised by people who may use the excuse "the fans are fractious because they where in the Premier League". If Mr Nagle or Mr Smithers read this I would ask if they have heard that excuse, because it is an excuse, from anyone at the club in the last 18 months. If so I would say that whoever is coming out with that rhetoric needs to be sacked. It is that, utter, nonsense that is not helping this club change direction. The narrative needs to change. We are a League One club. What has gone before is history, it is done. It is has been stated that our immediate aim is promotion back to the Championship, followed by being competitive in that league (for the record I am perfectly fine with that). Yes it is only 7 games in and much can develop but talk of mental weakness and baggage from the past (within the squad and across the club) should have been recognised and addressed by now. It is not an acceptable explanation for performances like the last two we have seen. Duff said in his presser yesterday that we fold in the face of adversity. I thought about this yesterday and I have to say I think that is complete hogwash. We didn't face adversity in our last two games we simply never turned up and allowed ourselves to be well beaten by two teams who were confident, structured and had a plan. The mental issue is across the club but it isn't down to the fans being pissed off because the premier League opportunity was squandered and many subsequent mistakes made. The fans are pissed off because no-one, yet, has really got a handle on the issues across the club and turned us in a new direction. If those at the club want to understand what the problem is start looking at yourselves and being honest. Do that and you might have a chance of changing things and our fortunes. Do that and you might also find what a fantastic fan base you have. A fans base who have been disregarded for years but are desperate to see a team they can get behind and a club they are proud to support. The short term answer is down to Duff and his coaching team to find ways to win, the current approach is not working. In the medium/longer term, assuming Duff does find a way, which he well might do, is for Mr Nagle to look at the bigger picture and determine is things are really getting better. A few good results can mask a few issues and he needs to be honest and really challenge those in his employ to be sure he is on the right track. The truth of course is that I don't know the conversations had within the hallowed corridors of the JSS. I would respectfully ask any of those in charge if they think they are on the right track and if using the excuse of the fans expectations is really something they want to adopt? Had to log in for the first time in months to like this comment. Everything I have been thinking. The fans have been excellent, truly excellent imo. Yes we have grumbled a bit, occasionally booed, there are idiots posting on social media unacceptable things, but It hasn't turned truly toxic at the ground. The fans have not got on anyone's backs too much, no mass chants wanting managers sacked, no cabbages chucked on the pitch, banners or protests etc. Generally the criticism is like yours constructive and heartfelt. What is happening instead is much more concerning, fans are giving up. Attendances are plummetting, people are leaving at half time, lifelong fans are turning away. I just read an article on the Birmingham city paradox, how relegation has actually given the club a big boost. It reinforced my growing belief that we have missed another big opportunity for a reboot. Not that I am expecting millions and millions spent like Birmingham, but instead signs of something, anything, to get behind. I'm now hoping the stadium deal will be wrapped up soon and give Nagle one more chance to achieve it. Should the club not take that and results on the pitch stay mixed they are running out of time and opportunities. inews.co.uk/sport/football/birmingham-city-paradox-doing-the-92And no, I don't expect Hollywood stars and 100's of millions, just a well executed sensible plan. |
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Post by dezzly on Sept 27, 2024 13:28:24 GMT 1
Maybe it’s us lot 🥴
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Post by artysid on Sept 27, 2024 13:56:11 GMT 1
I think there might just be an element of this, the; "oh the fans expect more because we were in the Premier League". If that is pervading in the annals of the JSS and a view held by those at the top end of the club they should not be in post. 1 - I think pretty much all of us expected relegation from the Premier League (at some point) but we equally expected/hoped the club would be better overall. One happened (fair enough) the other has not, and that is as a result of some very poor choices by all those in charge since (relegation). 2 - We (the fans) know what we are watching. Bar the Carlos outlier season, which was a slow burn, we have seen incoherent, disjointed, uncommitted and utterly unconvincing performances. This has been matched by players who have been thrown together largely with no overall identity and plan. When Carlos, whatever people think of him, created a structure and identity it was recklessly abandoned. This is what we have sat witness to. This has been our reality as HTAFC fans. We are a pretty reasonable and realistic bunch overall and understand certain constraints a club of our size has. However, what we are tired of is a litany of poor decisions, a lack of structure/plan and on top of that a patronising tone about expecting too much. The club generated over £300m in revenue as a result of the two seasons in the Premier League and yet we find ourselves struggling to deliver consistent performances that gives hope of a return to the Championship. Currently we cannot even aspire to be as good as Preston North End (I use this as a comparable as they are of a similar size, financially and fan base, but retain their Championship status year in year out). I still believe that Mr Nagle has the right intentions. I will give a let of the first year in charge in that he has no experience of running an English football club and all that entails. My concern is that he isn't learning, possibly because he isn't here enough. Moreover, he maybe being advised by people who may use the excuse "the fans are fractious because they where in the Premier League". If Mr Nagle or Mr Smithers read this I would ask if they have heard that excuse, because it is an excuse, from anyone at the club in the last 18 months. If so I would say that whoever is coming out with that rhetoric needs to be sacked. It is that, utter, nonsense that is not helping this club change direction. The narrative needs to change. We are a League One club. What has gone before is history, it is done. It is has been stated that our immediate aim is promotion back to the Championship, followed by being competitive in that league (for the record I am perfectly fine with that). Yes it is only 7 games in and much can develop but talk of mental weakness and baggage from the past (within the squad and across the club) should have been recognised and addressed by now. It is not an acceptable explanation for performances like the last two we have seen. Duff said in his presser yesterday that we fold in the face of adversity. I thought about this yesterday and I have to say I think that is complete hogwash. We didn't face adversity in our last two games we simply never turned up and allowed ourselves to be well beaten by two teams who were confident, structured and had a plan. The mental issue is across the club but it isn't down to the fans being pissed off because the premier League opportunity was squandered and many subsequent mistakes made. The fans are pissed off because no-one, yet, has really got a handle on the issues across the club and turned us in a new direction. If those at the club want to understand what the problem is start looking at yourselves and being honest. Do that and you might have a chance of changing things and our fortunes. Do that and you might also find what a fantastic fan base you have. A fans base who have been disregarded for years but are desperate to see a team they can get behind and a club they are proud to support. The short term answer is down to Duff and his coaching team to find ways to win, the current approach is not working. In the medium/longer term, assuming Duff does find a way, which he well might do, is for Mr Nagle to look at the bigger picture and determine is things are really getting better. A few good results can mask a few issues and he needs to be honest and really challenge those in his employ to be sure he is on the right track. The truth of course is that I don't know the conversations had within the hallowed corridors of the JSS. I would respectfully ask any of those in charge if they think they are on the right track and if using the excuse of the fans expectations is really something they want to adopt? Had to log in for the first time in months to like this comment. Everything I have been thinking. The fans have been excellent, truly excellent imo. Yes we have grumbled a bit, occasionally booed, there are idiots posting on social media unacceptable things, but It hasn't turned truly toxic at the ground. The fans have not got on anyone's backs too much, no mass chants wanting managers sacked, no cabbages chucked on the pitch, banners or protests etc. Generally the criticism is like yours constructive and heartfelt. What is happening instead is much more concerning, fans are giving up. Attendances are plummetting, people are leaving at half time, lifelong fans are turning away. I just read an article on the Birmingham city paradox, how relegation has actually given the club a big boost. It reinforced my growing belief that we have missed another big opportunity for a reboot. Not that I am expecting millions and millions spent like Birmingham, but instead signs of something, anything, to get behind. I'm now hoping the stadium deal will be wrapped up soon and give Nagle one more chance to achieve it. Should the club not take that and results on the pitch stay mixed they are running out of time and opportunities. inews.co.uk/sport/football/birmingham-city-paradox-doing-the-92And no, I don't expect Hollywood stars and 100's of millions, just a well executed sensible plan. "Kevin Nagle has the chance to write his name in Huddersfield Town legend. and he .............." |
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Post by efesodje23 on Sept 27, 2024 16:06:41 GMT 1
Job Advert gone out for a new CEO of the Foundation. £65,000
Much needed, the foundation does so much good for the club but the way it's been directed and resources wasted the last 5-6 years has been so poor and inefficient.
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Post by Richard1986 on Sept 27, 2024 17:23:54 GMT 1
What's the coaching and backroom team like? I don't really know, I don’t keep up, a Steve Black type appointment can't be a bad investment. Got to win in central midfield if playing 3-5-2. Tackling, tackling.  Some of the bookings, sending’s off and game management decisions have been schoolboy stuff. |
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Post by Macduff on Sept 27, 2024 17:51:15 GMT 1
Justasmithers (who apparently is still looking at DATM) could do the club a big favour and show KN Dugnets post. He has a good habit of eloquently and politely summarising how the majority of the fans must be feeling.
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Post by jackys on Sept 27, 2024 17:54:51 GMT 1
Job Advert gone out for a new CEO of the Foundation. £65,000 Much needed, the foundation does so much good for the club but the way it's been directed and resources wasted the last 5-6 years has been so poor and inefficient. Agreed it has been on the downfall for years and just goes to show how much Mandy Taylor played a role before she sadly passed away it hasn't been same since. |
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Post by johnnyx on Sept 27, 2024 19:00:33 GMT 1
I know Dugnet and he applied for tea with the chairman, unfortunately he didn’t get selected.
Mr Nagel could do a lot worse than inviting him next time.
He is always measured and constructive and I do think he represents a lot of the fans views.
He’s also not got a sweet tooth and therefore they would be significantly more cakes left than if I got an invite
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 27, 2024 19:21:55 GMT 1
Duff obviously hasn't seen our performances over the past few years, he's not asked questions or bothered to do some research. Nobody seems to have explained to him the utter garbage that has been presented to the fans in previous seasons. If he knew I don't think he'd have made the comments he did. Another worrying possibility is no one at the club accepts or understands what the fans are feeling? Can this be true, are they all in a deluded bubble at the JSS? I think there might just be an element of this, the; "oh the fans expect more because we were in the Premier League". If that is pervading in the annals of the JSS and a view held by those at the top end of the club they should not be in post. 1 - I think pretty much all of us expected relegation from the Premier League (at some point) but we equally expected/hoped the club would be better overall. One happened (fair enough) the other has not, and that is as a result of some very poor choices by all those in charge since (relegation). 2 - We (the fans) know what we are watching. Bar the Carlos outlier season, which was a slow burn, we have seen incoherent, disjointed, uncommitted and utterly unconvincing performances. This has been matched by players who have been thrown together largely with no overall identity and plan. When Carlos, whatever people think of him, created a structure and identity it was recklessly abandoned. This is what we have sat witness to. This has been our reality as HTAFC fans. We are a pretty reasonable and realistic bunch overall and understand certain constraints a club of our size has. However, what we are tired of is a litany of poor decisions, a lack of structure/plan and on top of that a patronising tone about expecting too much. The club generated over £300m in revenue as a result of the two seasons in the Premier League and yet we find ourselves struggling to deliver consistent performances that gives hope of a return to the Championship. Currently we cannot even aspire to be as good as Preston North End (I use this as a comparable as they are of a similar size, financially and fan base, but retain their Championship status year in year out). I still believe that Mr Nagle has the right intentions. I will give a let of the first year in charge in that he has no experience of running an English football club and all that entails. My concern is that he isn't learning, possibly because he isn't here enough. Moreover, he maybe being advised by people who may use the excuse "the fans are fractious because they where in the Premier League". If Mr Nagle or Mr Smithers read this I would ask if they have heard that excuse, because it is an excuse, from anyone at the club in the last 18 months. If so I would say that whoever is coming out with that rhetoric needs to be sacked. It is that, utter, nonsense that is not helping this club change direction. The narrative needs to change. We are a League One club. What has gone before is history, it is done. It is has been stated that our immediate aim is promotion back to the Championship, followed by being competitive in that league (for the record I am perfectly fine with that). Yes it is only 7 games in and much can develop but talk of mental weakness and baggage from the past (within the squad and across the club) should have been recognised and addressed by now. It is not an acceptable explanation for performances like the last two we have seen. Duff said in his presser yesterday that we fold in the face of adversity. I thought about this yesterday and I have to say I think that is complete hogwash. We didn't face adversity in our last two games we simply never turned up and allowed ourselves to be well beaten by two teams who were confident, structured and had a plan. The mental issue is across the club but it isn't down to the fans being pissed off because the premier League opportunity was squandered and many subsequent mistakes made. The fans are pissed off because no-one, yet, has really got a handle on the issues across the club and turned us in a new direction. If those at the club want to understand what the problem is start looking at yourselves and being honest. Do that and you might have a chance of changing things and our fortunes. Do that and you might also find what a fantastic fan base you have. A fans base who have been disregarded for years but are desperate to see a team they can get behind and a club they are proud to support. The short term answer is down to Duff and his coaching team to find ways to win, the current approach is not working. In the medium/longer term, assuming Duff does find a way, which he well might do, is for Mr Nagle to look at the bigger picture and determine is things are really getting better. A few good results can mask a few issues and he needs to be honest and really challenge those in his employ to be sure he is on the right track. The truth of course is that I don't know the conversations had within the hallowed corridors of the JSS. I would respectfully ask any of those in charge if they think they are on the right track and if using the excuse of the fans expectations is really something they want to adopt? Brilliant post and something Nagle needs to read. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 27, 2024 20:35:36 GMT 1
The players and management have got away very lightly over the last few years considering the performances with our placid fanbase.
In the ground we are the most resigned apathetic bunch of fans going.
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Post by dezzly on Sept 28, 2024 8:33:19 GMT 1
Duff obviously hasn't seen our performances over the past few years, he's not asked questions or bothered to do some research. Nobody seems to have explained to him the utter garbage that has been presented to the fans in previous seasons. If he knew I don't think he'd have made the comments he did. Another worrying possibility is no one at the club accepts or understands what the fans are feeling? Can this be true, are they all in a deluded bubble at the JSS? I think he has done his research and though he hasn’t seen the performances first hand he’s mentioned in a few interviews and recently words to the effect of…the fans have seen this all before too many times…..So I do think the knowledge of it is there but for him unless he sees it first hand he can’t know that whatever it is is still there.If that makes sense.He’s seen it now.I do think he was slightly shell shocked as to how easily going behind or been slightly outplayed brought back the weird decisions the players make though.He’s seen it twice in quick succession now so can he do anything to eradicate it.Another poster(I think dugnet) mentioned about the adversity(as that’s what duff called it) and that we haven’t really had any.I think adversity is just a word he’s using to say basically that the game isn’t going the way that was planned and how it went in training etc..ie it’s a bit tough because there’s an opponent trying to stop you doing the things you want to.l and asking questions of you on the flip side. I think we might continue to be very Jekyll and Hyde for a while to be honest but picking up results along the way and keeping us around the top 6 will buy duff the time to hopefully see it start to click both performance wise and mentally. He might have to go down the route of largely using players who haven’t been a part of what’s gone before,though certainly in the back line that would be almost impossible. I’d give him time to effect it,I do agree however that if it isn’t working in the first 20 minutes of games that he needs to be a bit quicker to change it,even if it’s just to strangle a game.Make fouls break it up do the basics etc.Even if that’s just to get to half time in games that we don’t start well in and then half time gives the chance to analyse it better. Also,hopefully not,but I think there is a chance it could get worse in the very near future before it potentially gets better.Let’s hope not,a result today buys some credit for Tuesday and after that the fixtures look slightly more appealing(though I’m away Northampton and Blackpool did) Utt |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 28, 2024 8:42:36 GMT 1
Perhaps it’s the smell of new paint and work pods in the fantastic new offices. Or more likely the stench eminates from the ruthless nature this lot got rid of successful employees such as Warnock and to a certain extent loyal servants such as Ann Hough but are allowing Mr Edwards and Mr Cartwright to carry on. Emperors new clothes springs to mind. I won’t have the Edwards slander. I think people are misinterpreting his job and painting him as the same as Cartwright. He is off the field, which to be honest has been the only improvement recently. Cartwright however should have been sacked months ago, or more to the point never appointed in the first place. Also let’s not forget, he’s not even a director at Town. Incredibly, we only have two people listed as directors at Town. Kevin Nagle and Michael Thomas. Neither have any experience in English football. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 28, 2024 9:54:35 GMT 1
Duff obviously hasn't seen our performances over the past few years, he's not asked questions or bothered to do some research. Nobody seems to have explained to him the utter garbage that has been presented to the fans in previous seasons. If he knew I don't think he'd have made the comments he did. Another worrying possibility is no one at the club accepts or understands what the fans are feeling? Can this be true, are they all in a deluded bubble at the JSS? I think there might just be an element of this, the; "oh the fans expect more because we were in the Premier League". If that is pervading in the annals of the JSS and a view held by those at the top end of the club they should not be in post. 1 - I think pretty much all of us expected relegation from the Premier League (at some point) but we equally expected/hoped the club would be better overall. One happened (fair enough) the other has not, and that is as a result of some very poor choices by all those in charge since (relegation). 2 - We (the fans) know what we are watching. Bar the Carlos outlier season, which was a slow burn, we have seen incoherent, disjointed, uncommitted and utterly unconvincing performances. This has been matched by players who have been thrown together largely with no overall identity and plan. When Carlos, whatever people think of him, created a structure and identity it was recklessly abandoned. This is what we have sat witness to. This has been our reality as HTAFC fans. We are a pretty reasonable and realistic bunch overall and understand certain constraints a club of our size has. However, what we are tired of is a litany of poor decisions, a lack of structure/plan and on top of that a patronising tone about expecting too much. The club generated over £300m in revenue as a result of the two seasons in the Premier League and yet we find ourselves struggling to deliver consistent performances that gives hope of a return to the Championship. Currently we cannot even aspire to be as good as Preston North End (I use this as a comparable as they are of a similar size, financially and fan base, but retain their Championship status year in year out). I still believe that Mr Nagle has the right intentions. I will give a let of the first year in charge in that he has no experience of running an English football club and all that entails. My concern is that he isn't learning, possibly because he isn't here enough. Moreover, he maybe being advised by people who may use the excuse "the fans are fractious because they where in the Premier League". If Mr Nagle or Mr Smithers read this I would ask if they have heard that excuse, because it is an excuse, from anyone at the club in the last 18 months. If so I would say that whoever is coming out with that rhetoric needs to be sacked. It is that, utter, nonsense that is not helping this club change direction. The narrative needs to change. We are a League One club. What has gone before is history, it is done. It is has been stated that our immediate aim is promotion back to the Championship, followed by being competitive in that league (for the record I am perfectly fine with that). Yes it is only 7 games in and much can develop but talk of mental weakness and baggage from the past (within the squad and across the club) should have been recognised and addressed by now. It is not an acceptable explanation for performances like the last two we have seen. Duff said in his presser yesterday that we fold in the face of adversity. I thought about this yesterday and I have to say I think that is complete hogwash. We didn't face adversity in our last two games we simply never turned up and allowed ourselves to be well beaten by two teams who were confident, structured and had a plan. The mental issue is across the club but it isn't down to the fans being pissed off because the premier League opportunity was squandered and many subsequent mistakes made. The fans are pissed off because no-one, yet, has really got a handle on the issues across the club and turned us in a new direction. If those at the club want to understand what the problem is start looking at yourselves and being honest. Do that and you might have a chance of changing things and our fortunes. Do that and you might also find what a fantastic fan base you have. A fans base who have been disregarded for years but are desperate to see a team they can get behind and a club they are proud to support. The short term answer is down to Duff and his coaching team to find ways to win, the current approach is not working. In the medium/longer term, assuming Duff does find a way, which he well might do, is for Mr Nagle to look at the bigger picture and determine is things are really getting better. A few good results can mask a few issues and he needs to be honest and really challenge those in his employ to be sure he is on the right track. The truth of course is that I don't know the conversations had within the hallowed corridors of the JSS. I would respectfully ask any of those in charge if they think they are on the right track and if using the excuse of the fans expectations is really something they want to adopt? Brilliant Post dugnet ! - Probably The Post of the autumn to be honest... Well thought out, articulated and getting to the point without the often on here raw and passionate wearing your heart on your sleeve emotions that we (including me) are sometimes guilty off... Hope as others have said that Kev sees it and chows over it across the pond ! (I’m off DATM now until late Monday night at the earliest / probably Tuesday so do enjoy a Westie free few days as I party 24/7 for 36 hours... And hopefully I can enjoy that partying with HTAFC having captured all three points at Reading) ! 👍 🥃 🍺 |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 28, 2024 9:57:56 GMT 1
I believe that it's the small 'chips'
The premier league, the unfair loss in the playoff final, the last few seasons, the relegation...
One small chip after another. We are now very fragile.
Most of us will have been in a workplace or team where as soon as there's something to moan about everyone lumps in. It's bloody hard to turn around.
This was my concern with not replacing the coachin team and backroom. You really need people to be relaxed and enthusiastic. Seeing the little bits of improvement rather than the 'here we go again's.
Cartwright needed to get a grip of it.
I hope the club are employing a sports psychologist full-time.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 28, 2024 10:01:54 GMT 1
I believe that it's the small 'chips' The premier league, the unfair loss in the playoff final, the last few seasons, the relegation... One small chip after another. We are now very fragile. Most of us will have been in a workplace or team where as soon as there's something to moan about everyone lumps in. It's bloody hard to turn around. This was my concern with not replacing the coachin team and backroom. You really need people to be relaxed and enthusiastic. Seeing the little bits of improvement rather than the 'here we go again's. Cartwright needed to get a grip of it. I hope the club are employing a sports psychologist full-time. It’s funny how they had a clear out in certain areas of the club to get their own people in, yet kept a bunch of the real problems in the squad. We all know who they are and they should’ve been dumped years ago, but it’s like using a cheap candle - it’ll work for a bit but that bad smell will come through eventually |
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Post by detox on Sept 28, 2024 10:07:02 GMT 1
Duff obviously hasn't seen our performances over the past few years, he's not asked questions or bothered to do some research. Nobody seems to have explained to him the utter garbage that has been presented to the fans in previous seasons. If he knew I don't think he'd have made the comments he did. Another worrying possibility is no one at the club accepts or understands what the fans are feeling? Can this be true, are they all in a deluded bubble at the JSS? I think there might just be an element of this, the; "oh the fans expect more because we were in the Premier League". If that is pervading in the annals of the JSS and a view held by those at the top end of the club they should not be in post. 1 - I think pretty much all of us expected relegation from the Premier League (at some point) but we equally expected/hoped the club would be better overall. One happened (fair enough) the other has not, and that is as a result of some very poor choices by all those in charge since (relegation). 2 - We (the fans) know what we are watching. Bar the Carlos outlier season, which was a slow burn, we have seen incoherent, disjointed, uncommitted and utterly unconvincing performances. This has been matched by players who have been thrown together largely with no overall identity and plan. When Carlos, whatever people think of him, created a structure and identity it was recklessly abandoned. This is what we have sat witness to. This has been our reality as HTAFC fans. We are a pretty reasonable and realistic bunch overall and understand certain constraints a club of our size has. However, what we are tired of is a litany of poor decisions, a lack of structure/plan and on top of that a patronising tone about expecting too much. The club generated over £300m in revenue as a result of the two seasons in the Premier League and yet we find ourselves struggling to deliver consistent performances that gives hope of a return to the Championship. Currently we cannot even aspire to be as good as Preston North End (I use this as a comparable as they are of a similar size, financially and fan base, but retain their Championship status year in year out). I still believe that Mr Nagle has the right intentions. I will give a let of the first year in charge in that he has no experience of running an English football club and all that entails. My concern is that he isn't learning, possibly because he isn't here enough. Moreover, he maybe being advised by people who may use the excuse "the fans are fractious because they where in the Premier League". If Mr Nagle or Mr Smithers read this I would ask if they have heard that excuse, because it is an excuse, from anyone at the club in the last 18 months. If so I would say that whoever is coming out with that rhetoric needs to be sacked. It is that, utter, nonsense that is not helping this club change direction. The narrative needs to change. We are a League One club. What has gone before is history, it is done. It is has been stated that our immediate aim is promotion back to the Championship, followed by being competitive in that league (for the record I am perfectly fine with that). Yes it is only 7 games in and much can develop but talk of mental weakness and baggage from the past (within the squad and across the club) should have been recognised and addressed by now. It is not an acceptable explanation for performances like the last two we have seen. Duff said in his presser yesterday that we fold in the face of adversity. I thought about this yesterday and I have to say I think that is complete hogwash. We didn't face adversity in our last two games we simply never turned up and allowed ourselves to be well beaten by two teams who were confident, structured and had a plan. The mental issue is across the club but it isn't down to the fans being pissed off because the premier League opportunity was squandered and many subsequent mistakes made. The fans are pissed off because no-one, yet, has really got a handle on the issues across the club and turned us in a new direction. If those at the club want to understand what the problem is start looking at yourselves and being honest. Do that and you might have a chance of changing things and our fortunes. Do that and you might also find what a fantastic fan base you have. A fans base who have been disregarded for years but are desperate to see a team they can get behind and a club they are proud to support. The short term answer is down to Duff and his coaching team to find ways to win, the current approach is not working. In the medium/longer term, assuming Duff does find a way, which he well might do, is for Mr Nagle to look at the bigger picture and determine is things are really getting better. A few good results can mask a few issues and he needs to be honest and really challenge those in his employ to be sure he is on the right track. The truth of course is that I don't know the conversations had within the hallowed corridors of the JSS. I would respectfully ask any of those in charge if they think they are on the right track and if using the excuse of the fans expectations is really something they want to adopt? What doesn't help is the longer this goes on the bitterness over the utter cock up since we came out of the PL just gets worse. We all knew (as you stated) that PL life might not last long but that was tempered by the expectation that we'd come out of the PL a strong and stable club with £m's in the Bank, a decent squad of players and we'd then establish ourselves as top Championship club with the aim of getting back to the PL ...
Without going over the same arguments about why, it took just 5 years for Town to finally get relegated to League One, after an 18th, 20th, 3rd, 18th and 23rd record of league placings...there were glimmers of hope though..Corberan got us to the play off final , Warnock galvanised the players ...but that was it. All it needed was the right person in charge but we appointed Siewert, the Cowleys, Fotheringham, Moore, Breitenreiter....decisions made by the top management at the club, not the fans...
The only decent managers we had, Corberan and Warnock..we let go.. ! Decisions made by the club bosses.
It just goes on and on...and now for Duff to come out and point at the fans !!!
Jesus wept.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 28, 2024 12:01:26 GMT 1
I believe that it's the small 'chips' The premier league, the unfair loss in the playoff final, the last few seasons, the relegation... One small chip after another. We are now very fragile. Most of us will have been in a workplace or team where as soon as there's something to moan about everyone lumps in. It's bloody hard to turn around. This was my concern with not replacing the coachin team and backroom. You really need people to be relaxed and enthusiastic. Seeing the little bits of improvement rather than the 'here we go again's. Cartwright needed to get a grip of it. I hope the club are employing a sports psychologist full-time. It’s funny how they had a clear out in certain areas of the club to get their own people in, yet kept a bunch of the real problems in the squad. We all know who they are and they should’ve been dumped years ago, but it’s like using a cheap candle - it’ll work for a bit but that bad smell will come through eventually We needed a refresh and mindset refresh, KN knows that because he said they were looking to change it but i thought we would see one or two (certain) players moved out and also a few people from behind the scenes. |
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Post by potlessphil on Sept 28, 2024 14:31:51 GMT 1
I'd LOVE those that slammed me week after week for calling out the running of our club to stand up and admit they can finally see what's going on at our club
Absolutely APPALLING decision after appalling decsion, too many to reel off since 2018.
WBA despite losing today sit pretty at the top of the championship with Carlos at the Helm. Said at the time it's on par with selling stewart.
Sacking NW at the time I also said on par with the decision to seller stewart.
This club is rotten to the core. Imagine the greif Nagle would be getting with her performance thus far if he was a faceless foreign owner?
Sacked the best manager in the history of the championship because his ego was hurt
Hired and kept statistically pretty much the worst manager in our history in Darren Bore
Somehow hired an even worse manager thereafter
Invested in crocks
Failed to invest in a striker when required
Failed to replace czartwright
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Lost 6 in 7, birmingham away on tuesday.
I'd be chopping Cartwright, Duff and begging NW to come back out of retirement.
My colleague caught a flight back from Spain over summer and sat next to Jeppo and they had full intention to stay that year and high hopes, their sacking came as a shock.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 28, 2024 15:45:11 GMT 1
My good pal JohnnyX has suggested that I should get invited to tea to present a balanced, respectful but critical view of everything wrong at the moment. The truth is those in charge shouldn't need telling. They should be aware that things aren't working.
Although it's heartening that some fans think I present how many are feeling I wouldn't pretend to get everything right. Far from it. What I do try and do is be constructive but also real. This lunchtime was a classic example of how things are right now.
I don't think we lack ability but I do think we are lacking in pace, a convincing attacking threat (someone who leads the attack and carries a threat) and we insist on playing a formation that doesn't naturally suit the squad we have. Given players have been recruited for this purpose it is a damning indictment on either those responsible for player selection or the coaching given, or both.
It is also evident, and I think we all agree with this the personality of the squad is lacking. There are no real winners or leaders. If there was a determined ambition to change the teams' fortunes this should have been identified (that isn't hasn't is simply poor) and addressed.
The underlying issue is that many of the fanbase have little faith in the competence of those in charge (to deliver a winning football team). That lack of faith,paired with poor performances, increases scepticism in the ambitions and words of those at the head of the club.
It doesn't need me, or anyone equally as reasonable and eloquent, to sit round a table with Mr Nagle and debate what is wrong. It needs Mr Nagle to review what is happening, why it isn't working and looking to address this.
There can be no doubt it is early in the season but our inconsistency is becoming a problem to the point that it is developing into a slump. Losing away from home is often something that happens but, like with much of this season, it isn't losing it's how you lose. Today was weak, toothless, disjointed and from a winning position. If things are right you don't lose games like this, especially against teams lacking experience and battling off field issues. The fact we deserved to lose is symptomatic of the position we find ourselves.
Football is riddled with examples where boardrooms have made poor choices and resulted in clubs perennially struggling. Rather than having lofty ambitions for progress stopping the rot and doing the basics, at every level, might be a better course of action.
Stop making excuses, review what's going on and take steps to improve things. I don’t need a plate of cucumber sandwiches and scones to make that point.
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Post by potlessphil on Sept 28, 2024 16:01:27 GMT 1
The club has run our of credit, the excuses have all been used up.
Window after window, decision after decision, poor manager after poor manager - we've heard it all
Some of the stats flying around our club regarding the penalties, the goal differenceetc - we are literally the banter club.
Nagle couldn't have done things much worse. Gone from a championship team with NW in charge to a League 1 team in a suicide dive to mid table with a bunch of fraudsters/failures in the team around him and a very poor squad of playing staff
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Sept 28, 2024 16:27:47 GMT 1
Getting rid of decent people who have the clubs best interests at heart like Ann Hough and ion the other hand having the jobs for the boys people like Ward still here, therein lies the problem !
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 28, 2024 17:46:29 GMT 1
There’s a lot to be said for clubs like Newcastle, Leeds, most Italian and German clubs in terms of respecting the fans a bit and in the same way the fans won’t let them clubs continually treat them like crap. They hold themselves accountable and know how much it means. Town do seem to take us for granted and make no effort to shorten the divide. What about a q and a where proper fans can air their grievances? Or community events? Or just anything where it’s not a handpicked list of happy clappers who won’t say anything useful?
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Post by Dan on Sept 28, 2024 17:53:46 GMT 1
Getting rid of decent people who have the clubs best interests at heart like Ann Hough and ion the other hand having the jobs for the boys people like Ward still here, therein lies the problem ! Agreed, Ann Hough would have put her big right boot through that ball in the first half if she'd still been here and we'd have gone in at half time 1-0 up. |
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