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Post by crux on Oct 20, 2024 10:54:22 GMT 1
Agree. At 3-0 you would have thought we were on the wrong side of that score. Duff is correct in everything he says about the atmosphere. It is weird. At 3 0 up we stopped playing and watched them for 15 minutes. They scored and really should have scored again before the obvious subs were finally made. I think you have a mixture of relief we got the third because the fear of conceeding is strong with us and disbelief that at 3 0 up we just stopped competing, running or doing anything much?  After the subs the game was seen out easily and the crowd relaxed a bit. In a game where we were not threatened even a wee bit for 60 odd minutes we could have easily been 3 2 with ten minutes left? Its up to Duff to sort out the issue of us dissappearing for periods in games, not the crowd. This post summed it up for me. Worst Town performance yesterday was by the manager. The players played well for 60 minutes or so, then 2 things happened. Both our strikers ran out of steam and weren't effective at closing down their defence. Then Bristol made 4 substitutions, injecting more energy and pace into their team. Duff then took 15 minutes to make any changes to our team, which was really weird as he's been changing the strikers on 60/65 minutes for almost every game this season! Once our substitutions had been made, our strikers closed the space down and we gained control again. Hopefully Duff will learn from this, because other teams in the division would have taken better advantage of the situation. I listened to his interview with Oggy when I was stuck in the traffic on Leeds Rd on the way home. I understand his comment about Bristol playing 3-0 down football, but it doesn't help when they've also basically got half a fresh team on the pitch and we're all knackered! |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 20, 2024 11:24:45 GMT 1
The sub situation yesterday was a strange one. He is on record as saying he likes to swap out his strikers around the hour mark. I did wonder if he was planning to start Ward/Ladapo on Tuesday and so was trying to use them a little less yesterday whilst feeling at 3-0 he could get away with it?
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Post by dezzly on Oct 20, 2024 11:37:17 GMT 1
At 3 0 up we stopped playing and watched them for 15 minutes. They scored and really should have scored again before the obvious subs were finally made. I think you have a mixture of relief we got the third because the fear of conceeding is strong with us and disbelief that at 3 0 up we just stopped competing, running or doing anything much? After the subs the game was seen out easily and the crowd relaxed a bit. In a game where we were not threatened even a wee bit for 60 odd minutes we could have easily been 3 2 with ten minutes left? Its up to Duff to sort out the issue of us dissappearing for periods in games, not the crowd. This post summed it up for me. Worst Town performance yesterday was by the manager. The players played well for 60 minutes or so, then 2 things happened. Both our strikers ran out of steam and weren't effective at closing down their defence. Then Bristol made 4 substitutions, injecting more energy and pace into their team. Duff then took 15 minutes to make any changes to our team, which was really weird as he's been changing the strikers on 60/65 minutes for almost every game this season! Once our substitutions had been made, our strikers closed the space down and we gained control again. Hopefully Duff will learn from this, because other teams in the division would have taken better advantage of the situation. I listened to his interview with Oggy when I was stuck in the traffic on Leeds Rd on the way home. I understand his comment about Bristol playing 3-0 down football, but it doesn't help when they've also basically got half a fresh team on the pitch and we're all knackered! Whilst at the time yesterday I would have agreed as I was calling for subs earlier.However when thinking about it I think I understand why he waited.we had already had one enforced change taking up one of the three lots of substitutions they can use,guess he would want to hold one back incase of any further injury late on so really he only had one time to make the subs,wardy wont have had longer than 20 minutes in him with football he’s missed and he’ll have wanted to swap both the strikers so I’m just guessing but maybe he was hanging on so he could make all the subs at the same time and keep that option of a later one in the bank,been 3 up maybe afforded him that luxury.Incidentally he then used that last one to get turton off who had started cramping up. Just a thought…could be talking complete bollocks |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 20, 2024 11:56:05 GMT 1
Agree. At 3-0 you would have thought we were on the wrong side of that score. Duff is correct in everything he says about the atmosphere. It is weird. At 3 0 up we stopped playing and watched them for 15 minutes. They scored and really should have scored again before the obvious subs were finally made. I think you have a mixture of relief we got the third because the fear of conceeding is strong with us and disbelief that at 3 0 up we just stopped competing, running or doing anything much? After the subs the game was seen out easily and the crowd relaxed a bit. In a game where we were not threatened even a wee bit for 60 odd minutes we could have easily been 3 2 with ten minutes left? Its up to Duff to sort out the issue of us dissappearing for periods in games, not the crowd. Even up until 3-0 we were silent. The team gave us something to be noisy about and we failed them for once. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 20, 2024 12:02:29 GMT 1
The sub situation yesterday was a strange one. He is on record as saying he likes to swap out his strikers around the hour mark. I did wonder if he was planning to start Ward/Ladapo on Tuesday and so was trying to use them a little less yesterday whilst feeling at 3-0 he could get away with it? Bojan and Marshall need minutes. Subbing them off every game at 60 minutes doesn't get them fitter. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 20, 2024 12:47:18 GMT 1
The sub situation yesterday was a strange one. He is on record as saying he likes to swap out his strikers around the hour mark. I did wonder if he was planning to start Ward/Ladapo on Tuesday and so was trying to use them a little less yesterday whilst feeling at 3-0 he could get away with it? Wrexham are a long ball team with big centre backs, Radulovic has to start or else we'll win nothing up top. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 20, 2024 13:19:56 GMT 1
At 3 0 up we stopped playing and watched them for 15 minutes. They scored and really should have scored again before the obvious subs were finally made. I think you have a mixture of relief we got the third because the fear of conceeding is strong with us and disbelief that at 3 0 up we just stopped competing, running or doing anything much? After the subs the game was seen out easily and the crowd relaxed a bit. In a game where we were not threatened even a wee bit for 60 odd minutes we could have easily been 3 2 with ten minutes left? Its up to Duff to sort out the issue of us dissappearing for periods in games, not the crowd. This post summed it up for me. Worst Town performance yesterday was by the manager. The players played well for 60 minutes or so, then 2 things happened. Both our strikers ran out of steam and weren't effective at closing down their defence. Then Bristol made 4 substitutions, injecting more energy and pace into their team. Duff then took 15 minutes to make any changes to our team, which was really weird as he's been changing the strikers on 60/65 minutes for almost every game this season! Once our substitutions had been made, our strikers closed the space down and we gained control again. Hopefully Duff will learn from this, because other teams in the division would have taken better advantage of the situation. I listened to his interview with Oggy when I was stuck in the traffic on Leeds Rd on the way home. I understand his comment about Bristol playing 3-0 down football, but it doesn't help when they've also basically got half a fresh team on the pitch and we're all knackered! If I was manager at 3.0 up, given the recent history of caving-in under pressure, I would wait to see whether they have learned to rise to challenges, if not then subs on and a note in my book for more training under pressure. If they adapt a note in my book to give them a huge compliment regarding lessons learned. He waited, he saw, he acted, we won, next is training - designed around what he saw IMO. |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Oct 20, 2024 13:32:46 GMT 1
Yeah it was a very strange taunt. They were quite chewy towards us which I always find irritating. From next to them in the south stand they seemed to bring a decent amount considering the length of the trip, how shit they are and I’d guess a relatively small fan base. Quite a large fan base albeit very latent. Took far more than us to Wembley back in the day I thought we took 27,000 that season to Wembley and they took around 30,000. I thought that their turn out today was good for a club who roughly averages 7,000 home support. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 20, 2024 13:46:20 GMT 1
This post summed it up for me. Worst Town performance yesterday was by the manager. The players played well for 60 minutes or so, then 2 things happened. Both our strikers ran out of steam and weren't effective at closing down their defence. Then Bristol made 4 substitutions, injecting more energy and pace into their team. Duff then took 15 minutes to make any changes to our team, which was really weird as he's been changing the strikers on 60/65 minutes for almost every game this season! Once our substitutions had been made, our strikers closed the space down and we gained control again. Hopefully Duff will learn from this, because other teams in the division would have taken better advantage of the situation. I listened to his interview with Oggy when I was stuck in the traffic on Leeds Rd on the way home. I understand his comment about Bristol playing 3-0 down football, but it doesn't help when they've also basically got half a fresh team on the pitch and we're all knackered! If I was manager at 3.0 up, given the recent history of caving-in under pressure, I would wait to see whether they have learned to rise to challenges, if not then subs on and a note in my book for more training under pressure. If they adapt a note in my book to give them a huge compliment regarding lessons learned. He waited, he saw, he acted, we won, next is training - designed around what he saw IMO. He acted just after Rovers should really have been back to 3 2.. Reactive not pro active.. 3 0 up with fitness issues and a tough game on tuesday??? Do it as soon as the game is won before we give them any way back at all, give the two forwards 25 mins off, get Herbie off because he is lagging, get Hogg on and get Turton off because he hasnt played much and wasnt supposed to be doing an hour plus.. Acknowledge the limitations of the team, squad and certain players dont test them in games when we certainly dont need to.. To say we were never in any trouble up to being 3 0 up is an understament, to say we were never in real trouble after that point is burying your head. Subs made and the game went back to being comfirtable, it really didnt need to be anything else..? |
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Post by deepc on Oct 20, 2024 14:00:25 GMT 1
The sub situation yesterday was a strange one. He is on record as saying he likes to swap out his strikers around the hour mark. I did wonder if he was planning to start Ward/Ladapo on Tuesday and so was trying to use them a little less yesterday whilst feeling at 3-0 he could get away with it? Wrexham are a long ball team with big centre backs, Radulovic has to start or else we'll win nothing up top. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 20, 2024 14:54:16 GMT 1
If I was manager at 3.0 up, given the recent history of caving-in under pressure, I would wait to see whether they have learned to rise to challenges, if not then subs on and a note in my book for more training under pressure. If they adapt a note in my book to give them a huge compliment regarding lessons learned. He waited, he saw, he acted, we won, next is training - designed around what he saw IMO. He acted just after Rovers should really have been back to 3 2.. Reactive not pro active.. 3 0 up with fitness issues and a tough game on tuesday??? Do it as soon as the game is won before we give them any way back at all, give the two forwards 25 mins off, get Herbie off because he is lagging, get Hogg on and get Turton off because he hasnt played much and wasnt supposed to be doing an hour plus.. Acknowledge the limitations of the team, squad and certain players dont test them in games when we certainly dont need to.. To say we were never in any trouble up to being 3 0 up is an understament, to say we were never in real trouble after that point is burying your head. Subs made and the game went back to being comfirtable, it really didnt need to be anything else..? I think you present a perfect example of shallow thinking. Let's not see if challenge in real life situations is within the team's capability, just protect them as an example of our capability to protect them! In that real life scenario when there are no more subs and we are drawing, what then? Of fuck, I wish we had tried out that approach we covered in training, because we learned they didn't get it as a team, and we lose, too late then! With a 3 goal cushion, time to try, they failed, but we still won! |
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Post by pterrier on Oct 20, 2024 14:57:30 GMT 1
He acted just after Rovers should really have been back to 3 2.. Reactive not pro active.. 3 0 up with fitness issues and a tough game on tuesday??? Do it as soon as the game is won before we give them any way back at all, give the two forwards 25 mins off, get Herbie off because he is lagging, get Hogg on and get Turton off because he hasnt played much and wasnt supposed to be doing an hour plus.. Acknowledge the limitations of the team, squad and certain players dont test them in games when we certainly dont need to.. To say we were never in any trouble up to being 3 0 up is an understament, to say we were never in real trouble after that point is burying your head. Subs made and the game went back to being comfirtable, it really didnt need to be anything else..? I think you present a perfect example of shallow thinking. Let's not see if challenge in real life situations is within the team's capability, just protect them as an example of our capability to protect them! In that real life scenario when there are no more subs and we are drawing, what then? Of fuck, I wish we had tried out that approach we covered in training, because we learned they didn't get it as a team, and we lose, too late then! With a 3 goal cushion, time to try, they failed, but we still won! I disagree, the OP is bang on. Duff’s game management was awful yesterday for a multitude of reasons |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 20, 2024 15:17:50 GMT 1
I think you present a perfect example of shallow thinking. Let's not see if challenge in real life situations is within the team's capability, just protect them as an example of our capability to protect them! In that real life scenario when there are no more subs and we are drawing, what then? Of fuck, I wish we had tried out that approach we covered in training, because we learned they didn't get it as a team, and we lose, too late then! With a 3 goal cushion, time to try, they failed, but we still won! I disagree, the OP is bang on. Duff’s game management was awful yesterday for a multitude of reasons Kane had run out of legs, he hasnt played enough games and he came short and supported the ball for 60 mins, so its not suprising and does not need testing. Marshall had covered some ground and was becoming less and less effective in closing down, likewise with Radulovic. Turton was not expected to play 60 mins but had to, he did not have to play the 90.. Its not testing anyone, just dealing as a manager with the reality of the squad, team and game situation as it presented itself and knowing we play a possibly very tough, physical, gane on tuesday night??? We are also talking about professional footballers and shallow thinking and decisions are definitely part of managing them.🤔 3 0 up at 60 mins, changes needed to be made, we had all the right reasons, however shallow they might be to make them, we didnt and a confortable day could easily have become a difficult last 15 mins or so and it did not ever have to even be a possibility. Managers get it wrong, he hasnt offered any reason for not making subs at 3 0 even though hot e can see along with thousands watching that we are/have lost our way, until we concede and then should have conceeded another. 3 0 would have done perfectly for me. 3 1 with them having the best opportunities to score again, means we have issues that should not be ignored. |
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Post by gumsoul on Oct 20, 2024 16:30:12 GMT 1
A 336-mile round trip for my first game in > 2 years and I missed all of our goals supping and chatting. UTT
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Post by sabailand on Oct 20, 2024 16:42:36 GMT 1
I think you present a perfect example of shallow thinking. Let's not see if challenge in real life situations is within the team's capability, just protect them as an example of our capability to protect them! In that real life scenario when there are no more subs and we are drawing, what then? Of fuck, I wish we had tried out that approach we covered in training, because we learned they didn't get it as a team, and we lose, too late then! With a 3 goal cushion, time to try, they failed, but we still won! I disagree, the OP is bang on. Duff’s game management was awful yesterday for a multitude of reasons Eh,  we came away with a comfortable 3-1 victory, Chapman barely had a save to make. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 20, 2024 17:01:25 GMT 1
I disagree, the OP is bang on. Duff’s game management was awful yesterday for a multitude of reasons Kane had run out of legs, he hasnt played enough games and he came short and supported the ball for 60 mins, so its not suprising and does not need testing. Marshall had covered some ground and was becoming less and less effective in closing down, likewise with Radulovic. Turton was not expected to play 60 mins but had to, he did not have to play the 90.. Its not testing anyone, just dealing as a manager with the reality of the squad, team and game situation as it presented itself and knowing we play a possibly very tough, physical, gane on tuesday night??? We are also talking about professional footballers and shallow thinking and decisions are definitely part of managing them.🤔 3 0 up at 60 mins, changes needed to be made, we had all the right reasons, however shallow they might be to make them, we didnt and a confortable day could easily have become a difficult last 15 mins or so and it did not ever have to even be a possibility. Managers get it wrong, he hasnt offered any reason for not making subs at 3 0 even though hot e can see along with thousands watching that we are/have lost our way, until we concede and then should have conceeded another. 3 0 would have done perfectly for me. 3 1 with them having the best opportunities to score again, means we have issues that should not be ignored. Everyone watching the game can see the same as you, it's in Gledholt's report, it's all over posts on the day on hear, but you assume Duff can't see it as a professional manager. More simple thinking on your part, could that be because it helps you be right? |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Oct 20, 2024 17:45:48 GMT 1
Kane had run out of legs, he hasnt played enough games and he came short and supported the ball for 60 mins, so its not suprising and does not need testing. Marshall had covered some ground and was becoming less and less effective in closing down, likewise with Radulovic. Turton was not expected to play 60 mins but had to, he did not have to play the 90.. Its not testing anyone, just dealing as a manager with the reality of the squad, team and game situation as it presented itself and knowing we play a possibly very tough, physical, gane on tuesday night??? We are also talking about professional footballers and shallow thinking and decisions are definitely part of managing them.🤔 3 0 up at 60 mins, changes needed to be made, we had all the right reasons, however shallow they might be to make them, we didnt and a confortable day could easily have become a difficult last 15 mins or so and it did not ever have to even be a possibility. Managers get it wrong, he hasnt offered any reason for not making subs at 3 0 even though hot e can see along with thousands watching that we are/have lost our way, until we concede and then should have conceeded another. 3 0 would have done perfectly for me. 3 1 with them having the best opportunities to score again, means we have issues that should not be ignored. Everyone watching the game can see the same as you, it's in Gledholt's report, it's all over posts on the day on hear, but you assume Duff can't see it as a professional manager. More simple thinking on your part, could that be because it helps you be right? Considering duff took about 9 games to realise the midfield was useless, I don’t think it’s out of reach to have reservations about him. Same with yesterday, most of the fans could see it was falling apart a bit and he’s just stood there. Then he gave the subs 13 minutes. It’s not the end of the world but these mistakes can’t become common occurrences, especially against much better teams like wrexham |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 20, 2024 17:54:53 GMT 1
Kane had run out of legs, he hasnt played enough games and he came short and supported the ball for 60 mins, so its not suprising and does not need testing. Marshall had covered some ground and was becoming less and less effective in closing down, likewise with Radulovic. Turton was not expected to play 60 mins but had to, he did not have to play the 90.. Its not testing anyone, just dealing as a manager with the reality of the squad, team and game situation as it presented itself and knowing we play a possibly very tough, physical, gane on tuesday night??? We are also talking about professional footballers and shallow thinking and decisions are definitely part of managing them.🤔 3 0 up at 60 mins, changes needed to be made, we had all the right reasons, however shallow they might be to make them, we didnt and a confortable day could easily have become a difficult last 15 mins or so and it did not ever have to even be a possibility. Managers get it wrong, he hasnt offered any reason for not making subs at 3 0 even though hot e can see along with thousands watching that we are/have lost our way, until we concede and then should have conceeded another. 3 0 would have done perfectly for me. 3 1 with them having the best opportunities to score again, means we have issues that should not be ignored. Everyone watching the game can see the same as you, it's in Gledholt's report, it's all over posts on the day on hear, but you assume Duff can't see it as a professional manager. More simple thinking on your part, could that be because it helps you be right? I assume he didnt see what we saw or he had other reasons not to make subs at the time many of us think he should have. If he has not given his reasons we dont truly know what we are arguing with? Im not sure why I have to be right its an opinion shared by many, if you think I followed the crowd, I cant argue with that. My first opinion of a game goes on here when I get home after the matches, I got home on Saturday at 7 30.. I promise I didnt or dont read other opinions before posting mine, I just do mine and then have a look through. There are usually plenty similar, plenty differing ones, thats football. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 20, 2024 18:55:52 GMT 1
Everyone watching the game can see the same as you, it's in Gledholt's report, it's all over posts on the day on hear, but you assume Duff can't see it as a professional manager. More simple thinking on your part, could that be because it helps you be right? Considering duff took about 9 games to realise the midfield was useless, I don’t think it’s out of reach to have reservations about him. Same with yesterday, most of the fans could see it was falling apart a bit and he’s just stood there. Then he gave the subs 13 minutes. It’s not the end of the world but these mistakes can’t become common occurrences, especially against much better teams like wrexham Of course you're right, you could see we had a useless midfield against Peterborough. Then next game you'd have picked that really fit HK. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Oct 21, 2024 0:10:18 GMT 1
Aye - Very happy with the win and the three points...
Definitely been a wee while since I’ve been in the best footy bar and been able to relax at 3-0 even though it cost me £27 in double whiskies ! 🥃 🥃
Well done Micheal and the team... 👍
Onwards to Wrexham now where it might just be a wee tad tougher !
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 21, 2024 8:30:36 GMT 1
Surprised Kane’s ‘Marseille turn’ not been mentioned, delightful bit of skill in the middle of the park. Loved his first time passes around the corner as well even if none of his team mates were expecting them.
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Post by belizian on Oct 21, 2024 11:06:26 GMT 1
Didn't wake up until 4 a.m so only saw the second half. In fact I didn't even watch all of that, I actually got bored by the 80 odd something minute and went back to bed. I presume the first half was more entertaining?
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Post by irverino on Oct 21, 2024 11:22:51 GMT 1
Quite a large fan base albeit very latent. Took far more than us to Wembley back in the day I thought we took 27,000 that season to Wembley and they took around 30,000. I thought that their turn out today was good for a club who roughly averages 7,000 home support. Those figures look correct, we were counting how many different venues we have watched a Town v Rovers match...........We got it to six, the most for any opponent? |
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Post by dezzly on Oct 21, 2024 11:47:39 GMT 1
Surprised Kane’s ‘Marseille turn’ not been mentioned, delightful bit of skill in the middle of the park. Loved his first time passes around the corner as well even if none of his team mates were expecting them. Yeh he’s got a bit of class about him on the ball.Vision is very good,just a shame like you say others weren’t reading those little balls.Such a good option in certain areas to just give a little first time pass round the corner and then run off your marker to get it,gets in behind the midfield and committing defenders.Hopefully more games with him in there others will start to read him. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 21, 2024 12:00:11 GMT 1
Surprised Kane’s ‘Marseille turn’ not been mentioned, delightful bit of skill in the middle of the park. Loved his first time passes around the corner as well even if none of his team mates were expecting them. Yeh he’s got a bit of class about him on the ball.Vision is very good,just a shame like you say others weren’t reading those little balls.Such a good option in certain areas to just give a little first time pass round the corner and then run off your marker to get it,gets in behind the midfield and committing defenders.Hopefully more games with him in there others will start to read him. We look like a football team with Kane or Hodge in there. No disrespect to Hogg (passing has never been his strength) but he typically can’t make those passes that get us around and behind the other midfield. Partly to do with skill but often speed of thought and the fact he’s facing his own goal and can’t open his body out well with the ball at his feet. Also Kasumu can burst past his oppo which opens the game up. He did that first half with a great drop of the shoulder, earned a free kick and his oppo a yellow. He was getting slated before a ball was kicked this season (a fair few said sell him?!) but is a first choice and one of the few players we don’t have a like for like replacement of. He’s also good cover for wing back. |
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Post by dezzly on Oct 21, 2024 12:10:34 GMT 1
Yeh he’s got a bit of class about him on the ball.Vision is very good,just a shame like you say others weren’t reading those little balls.Such a good option in certain areas to just give a little first time pass round the corner and then run off your marker to get it,gets in behind the midfield and committing defenders.Hopefully more games with him in there others will start to read him. We look like a football team with Kane or Hodge in there. No disrespect to Hogg (passing has never been his strength) but he typically can’t make those passes that get us around and behind the other midfield. Partly to do with skill but often speed of thought and the fact he’s facing his own goal and can’t open his body out well with the ball at his feet. Also Kasumu can burst past his oppo which opens the game up. He did that first half with a great drop of the shoulder, earned a free kick and his oppo a yellow. He was getting slated before a ball was kicked this season (a fair few said sell him?!) but is a first choice and one of the few players we don’t have a like for like replacement of. He’s also good cover for wing back. I agree on both points.Hogg has plenty of good qualities and will play plenty minutes the rest of the season.But when we’re a dominate side and expected to make the play and be on the ball,the speed of thought passing wise of Kane and dribbling wise of Kasumu help break lines.Hogg will need to come in for Kasumu for odd games so we don’t break him. His passing is largely dreadful but if you put those round him who can pass and he brings different attributes he’s currently one of the first names on the team sheet. Not sure where we go when hodge is back but guess they’ll cross that bridge when they come to it. Also agree on the wing back thing,if he’s in the side and needs must he can be a competent player at wing back without needing to use a substitution. Would be nice to see the majority of the current starting 11 get 5/6 games playing most of the minutes and without anyone picking an injury up. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 21, 2024 17:54:23 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 21, 2024 19:56:50 GMT 1
The player everyone loves to hate is there....Danny Ward. Find it a bit strange that they don't give the total goals we've scored in all comps and give a breakdown of that too....for us stattos. |
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we came away with a comfortable 3-1 victory, Chapman barely had a save to make. 
