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Post by royrace on Nov 15, 2024 11:51:46 GMT 1
Martin Smith. Scored goals for fun from nothing...but suffered lack of recognition due to being part of a relegation team. I seem to remember he was mainly injured or crap, then when he finally started to be good he fooked off to Northampton Town who briefly had a bit of money in those days. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 15, 2024 11:56:58 GMT 1
Lee Novak
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 15, 2024 12:05:00 GMT 1
For me this guy has to be up there Any more? Maybe Luke Beckett, Pawel abbott, nahki wells Seeing the goals from the Palace game makes you realise how far we have sunk over the past few years  It reminds me of one of my happiest times, with my dad and mates. Without the lows you don’t appreciate the highs |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 15, 2024 13:07:51 GMT 1
I personally thought Mounie was overrated. His movement was so poor and unless the ball was delivered on top of him he rarely got to it. Glad it's not just me  Hugely overrated by Town fans! Amazing what being a good human and having a great song can do! He was bobbins, slow with poor movement, could head it but was never clever or quick enough to get on the end of any crosses! Never a PL striker in a million years. Really poor signing although pales into insignificance at the side of the other absolute shyte we purchased! Depoitre was a much better signing, evidenced by the fact we were able to get shut after relegation. Better song too De de de de de, de de de de de...happy days hearing that ring out as we were beating Man Utd, feels like it was just just a dream  The days when just about every player had a song about him. I know what you mean about Big Steve but like Alan, Alan before him it’s great when a team has a player who becomes a bit of a folk hero, a character whom we all get behind and talk about. |
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Post by potlessphil on Nov 15, 2024 13:16:52 GMT 1
I don't think many here were underrated.
It is years since we have had a proper striker.
Of course time blurs peoples memory of how good or bad someone once was;
Luke Beckett scored 29 in 64 for us but is often downplayed here as a carthorse. A premium League 1 player at the time.
Andy Paytons scored 17 in 42 and single handedly kept us up one year but was vilified for playing for himself
Jermaine Beckford scored 8 in 14 - A premium championship player in my opinion at the time.
Karlan Grant scored 23 in 51 and wasn't even a striker. Granted he scored pens but who has scored pens for us since given the opportunity?
Lee Novak scored 34 in 88 games as a secondary striker - that's almost 18 goals per 46 game season!
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Martin Smith iirc was always injured and had the poisoned chalice of filling in for Stewy.
Chris Hay came here and failed
Paul Barnes came here and failed
We've been starved of a good striker for years and had to put up with Hoyle and Potless' cheap options that nobody else wants like like Ya Ya Sa'nogoals and Omar Niasse - and at present players of the same ilk ie. Ladapo
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Post by gledholt terrier on Nov 15, 2024 13:16:55 GMT 1
Martin Smith. Scored goals for fun from nothing...but suffered lack of recognition due to being part of a relegation team. I seem to remember he was mainly injured or crap, then when he finally started to be good he fooked off to Northampton Town who briefly had a bit of money in those days. Sunderland fans massively rated him and there were glimpses of real quality but he was really up against it as being perceived as Marcus Stewart’s replacement. I talked to him briefly just before he left - he didn’t really want to go but it was financially essential for the club that he did. He was a genuinely nice lad and quite unfairly maligned for some seriously awful issues surrounding the club at the time. |
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Post by drumriggend on Nov 15, 2024 13:21:23 GMT 1
Lauren depoitre..
In his 1st season..
Rolled Harry maguire for a great goal v. Leicester..
Winning goal v. Man Utd..
Scored the goal that kept us up at Stamford Bridge..
But then became utterly useless 2nd season..
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Post by mosher on Nov 15, 2024 14:29:24 GMT 1
I don't think many here were underrated. It is years since we have had a proper striker. Of course time blurs peoples memory of how good or bad someone once was; Luke Beckett scored 29 in 64 for us but is often downplayed here as a carthorse. A premium League 1 player at the time. Andy Paytons scored 17 in 42 and single handedly kept us up one year but was vilified for playing for himself Jermaine Beckford scored 8 in 14 - A premium championship player in my opinion at the time. Karlan Grant scored 23 in 51 and wasn't even a striker. Granted he scored pens but who has scored pens for us since given the opportunity? Lee Novak scored 34 in 88 games as a secondary striker - that's almost 18 goals per 46 game season! .. Martin Smith iirc was always injured and had the poisoned chalice of filling in for Stewy. Chris Hay came here and failed Paul Barnes came here and failed We've been starved of a good striker for years and had to put up with Hoyle and Potless' cheap options that nobody else wants like like Ya Ya Sa'nogoals and Omar Niasse - and at present players of the same ilk ie. Ladapo No, no, no, no, no you just don't get it, it's ALL Nagle's fault, read the room  |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 15, 2024 14:48:32 GMT 1
This is just going to be full of safe suggestions isn't it. Basically full of the next level of good player below the status of Stewart, Rhodes, etc.
Who's gonna put their head above the parapet and make a claim for someone like Joe Garner, Fraizer Campbell, or John McAliskey?
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Post by gowlinggoal on Nov 15, 2024 14:51:37 GMT 1
Peter Fletcher overshadowed by Kindon and Robins
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Post by gowlinggoal on Nov 15, 2024 14:55:27 GMT 1
Colin Russell
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Post by canuckterrier99 on Nov 15, 2024 15:00:25 GMT 1
I personally thought Mounie was overrated. His movement was so poor and unless the ball was delivered on top of him he rarely got to it. Glad it's not just me Hugely overrated by Town fans! Amazing what being a good human and having a great song can do! He was bobbins, slow with poor movement, could head it but was never clever or quick enough to get on the end of any crosses! Never a PL striker in a million years. Really poor signing although pales into insignificance at the side of the other absolute shyte we purchased! Depoitre was a much better signing, evidenced by the fact we were able to get shut after relegation. Better song too De de de de de, de de de de de...happy days hearing that ring out as we were beating Man Utd, feels like it was just just a dream Depoitre was on a two-year contract and I doubt either party was bothered about renewing it so he was a free agent. Mounie had a four-year deal and played the first season in the Championship before being sold for a few million so not sure how that makes hima poorer signing. But you're right that Depoitre's song is an all-time classic! |
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 15, 2024 15:36:17 GMT 1
This is just going to be full of safe suggestions isn't it. Basically full of the next level of good player below the status of Stewart, Rhodes, etc. Who's gonna put their head above the parapet and make a claim for someone like Joe Garner, Fraizer Campbell, or John McAliskey? Certainly Fraizer Campbell for me. Maligned because his goalscoring rate wasn't stellar, but his work rate was outstanding. Some dismiss it as just "running around a lot" - but his pressing from the front pushed opponents to make mistakes and created chances for others. I'd add another into the mix in Lee Glover. Another workhorse, he was on a hiding to nothing coming here from the subs bench of a side in a lower division, and then not scoring. He wasn't great by any means, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people label him. Payton though was hugely over rated. If your only positive contribution is goals, then I'd want a lot of them. But not only that, the number of attacks that would break down because he'd strayed miles offside or smashed it over the bar when there was someone else better positioned. For anyone too young to remember him, think of Delano Burgzorg minus the good bits. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 15, 2024 15:37:27 GMT 1
I seem to remember he was mainly injured or crap, then when he finally started to be good he fooked off to Northampton Town who briefly had a bit of money in those days. Sunderland fans massively rated him and there were glimpses of real quality but he was really up against it as being perceived as Marcus Stewart’s replacement. I talked to him briefly just before he left - he didn’t really want to go but it was financially essential for the club that he did. He was a genuinely nice lad and quite unfairly maligned for some seriously awful issues surrounding the club at the time. Yup, hugely under-rated here, which is the topic of this thread! |
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Post by royrace on Nov 15, 2024 15:49:39 GMT 1
This is just going to be full of safe suggestions isn't it. Basically full of the next level of good player below the status of Stewart, Rhodes, etc. Who's gonna put their head above the parapet and make a claim for someone like Joe Garner, Fraizer Campbell, or John McAliskey? Certainly Fraizer Campbell for me. Maligned because his goalscoring rate wasn't stellar, but his work rate was outstanding. Some dismiss it as just "running around a lot" - but his pressing from the front pushed opponents to make mistakes and created chances for others. I'd add another into the mix in Lee Glover. Another workhorse, he was on a hiding to nothing coming here from the subs bench of a side in a lower division, and then not scoring. He wasn't great by any means, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people label him. Payton though was hugely over rated. If your only positive contribution is goals, then I'd want a lot of them. But not only that, the number of attacks that would break down because he'd break down our attacks as he strayed miles offside or smashed it over the bar when there was someone else better positioned. Delano Burgzorg minus the good bits. Campbell is a great shout, totally agree. I'd have kept him on another season but seems he didn't need the money. Probably already a multi millionaire by the time he played for us. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 15, 2024 15:51:33 GMT 1
Glad it's not just me Hugely overrated by Town fans! Amazing what being a good human and having a great song can do! He was bobbins, slow with poor movement, could head it but was never clever or quick enough to get on the end of any crosses! Never a PL striker in a million years. Really poor signing although pales into insignificance at the side of the other absolute shyte we purchased! Depoitre was a much better signing, evidenced by the fact we were able to get shut after relegation. Better song too De de de de de, de de de de de...happy days hearing that ring out as we were beating Man Utd, feels like it was just just a dream Depoitre was on a two-year contract and I doubt either party was bothered about renewing it so he was a free agent. Mounie had a four-year deal and played the first season in the Championship before being sold for a few million so not sure how that makes hima poorer signing. But you're right that Depoitre's song is an all-time classic! Wasn't sure on the contract situation but in terms of return on investment be was streets ahead of Mounie. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 15, 2024 16:16:35 GMT 1
This is just going to be full of safe suggestions isn't it. Basically full of the next level of good player below the status of Stewart, Rhodes, etc. Who's gonna put their head above the parapet and make a claim for someone like Joe Garner, Fraizer Campbell, or John McAliskey? Certainly Fraizer Campbell for me. Maligned because his goalscoring rate wasn't stellar, but his work rate was outstanding. Some dismiss it as just "running around a lot" - but his pressing from the front pushed opponents to make mistakes and created chances for others. I'd add another into the mix in Lee Glover. Another workhorse, he was on a hiding to nothing coming here from the subs bench of a side in a lower division, and then not scoring. He wasn't great by any means, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people label him. Payton though was hugely over rated. If your only positive contribution is goals, then I'd want a lot of them. But not only that, the number of attacks that would break down because he'd strayed miles offside or smashed it over the bar when there was someone else better positioned. For anyone too young to remember him, think of Delano Burgzorg minus the good bits. Spot on! I thought I'd dangle the carrot with 3 players who aren't particularly well regarded, but arguments could definitely be made for. I liked Campbell, a good honest pro. |
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Post by utttrooper on Nov 15, 2024 16:44:37 GMT 1
Naby Sarr
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Post by jakeg on Nov 15, 2024 16:49:26 GMT 1
Benik Afobe for me. Came in a 17 year old and was excellent - mature beyond his years. But always has felt he was 'blamed' for Clarks decision to start him at Old Trafford over Rhodes...especially when my memory is we'd played that way a fair bit in the last part of the season.
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Post by detox on Nov 15, 2024 17:03:24 GMT 1
Les massie...
Tony Leighton....
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 15, 2024 18:00:06 GMT 1
Danel Sinani
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Post by blue1003 on Nov 15, 2024 18:22:19 GMT 1
Dave Hickson in the late 1950s. The Everton legend regularly found the net for Town over two seasons before returning to Goodison. Town histories seem to under appreciate his contribution.
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 15, 2024 18:23:35 GMT 1
Benik Afobe for me. Came in a 17 year old and was excellent - mature beyond his years. But always has felt he was 'blamed' for Clarks decision to start him at Old Trafford over Rhodes...especially when my memory is we'd played that way a fair bit in the last part of the season. Agreed. "We left out a 40 goal striker" was a tad harsh. Not least because at the time he hadn't yet had that season. Would I have picked JR? Yes. But I'd caveat that by saying it wasn't as obvious a pick as people now make out. Adobe did eventually move for 8 figure transfer fees a couple of times. It's not as though he was just some bang average nobody! |
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Post by theravymoomin on Nov 15, 2024 18:36:47 GMT 1
Certainly Fraizer Campbell for me. Maligned because his goalscoring rate wasn't stellar, but his work rate was outstanding. Some dismiss it as just "running around a lot" - but his pressing from the front pushed opponents to make mistakes and created chances for others. I'd add another into the mix in Lee Glover. Another workhorse, he was on a hiding to nothing coming here from the subs bench of a side in a lower division, and then not scoring. He wasn't great by any means, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people label him. Payton though was hugely over rated. If your only positive contribution is goals, then I'd want a lot of them. But not only that, the number of attacks that would break down because he'd strayed miles offside or smashed it over the bar when there was someone else better positioned. For anyone too young to remember him, think of Delano Burgzorg minus the good bits. Spot on! I thought I'd dangle the carrot with 3 players who aren't particularly well regarded, but arguments could definitely be made for. I liked Campbell, a good honest pro. Certainly with you on frazer, but Joe garner? Am I missing something? |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Nov 15, 2024 18:40:06 GMT 1
Those of us that are old enough!! Frank Worthington was brilliant.
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Post by soapystevens on Nov 15, 2024 18:56:31 GMT 1
Kevin Johnson scored some good goals for Town and i remember one game when he collided with the advertising hoardings and was carried off unconciuos .
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Nov 15, 2024 19:22:06 GMT 1
According to Wikipedia, Abbott scored 48 goals in 111 games for us. I can't remember anyone giving him grief for being crap. If there were, they must have been crayon eaters. Beat me to it space, Abbott was idolised, I don't know ANYONE that didn't rate him. Duh duh der der I was away at uni in the Abbott era, so I don't have as much of a memory of seeing him play for us compared to say Boothy, Stewart and later Rhodes and Novak. Wasn't as easy to get to see highlights either, no YouTube and the likes. |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 15, 2024 19:26:05 GMT 1
Mick Byrne, played mostly for Irish teams but had a spell with us, not a prolific striker scoring 11 goals in 53 apps for us but a good and skillfull player.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Nov 15, 2024 19:41:26 GMT 1
Spot on! I thought I'd dangle the carrot with 3 players who aren't particularly well regarded, but arguments could definitely be made for. I liked Campbell, a good honest pro. Certainly with you on frazer, but Joe garner? Am I missing something? That summer we signed four strikers: Rhodes, Novak (signed in Jan but loaned back to Gateshead), Theo Robinson and Joe Garner. It quickly became apparent that Rhodes and Novak were the best pairing, but Theo was the usual deputy. Garner barely got any minutes, can't recall if he got injured or just didn't settle, but he became a bit of a forgotten man. He did go on to have a decent lower league career after us, but I wouldn't say that makes him "underrated" by Town fans. Then again he didn't have enough game time to be branded shite either. I'm like a broken record at this point, but Collin Quaner gets a lot of not hate but derision from some fans, which I don't think he deserves. Even if he was as bad as some make out (or as bad as he looked- it was pretty comical at times seeing him wobble his way around baffled defenders!) he still had a massive positive impact for the club. Some can't see past his ungainly stature though. |
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 15, 2024 20:09:53 GMT 1
Certainly with you on frazer, but Joe garner? Am I missing something? That summer we signed four strikers: Rhodes, Novak (signed in Jan but loaned back to Gateshead), Theo Robinson and Joe Garner. It quickly became apparent that Rhodes and Novak were the best pairing, but Theo was the usual deputy. Garner barely got any minutes, can't recall if he got injured or just didn't settle, but he became a bit of a forgotten man. He did go on to have a decent lower league career after us, but I wouldn't say that makes him "underrated" by Town fans. Then again he didn't have enough game time to be branded shite either. I'm like a broken record at this point, but Collin Quaner gets a lot of not hate but derision from some fans, which I don't think he deserves. Even if he was as bad as some make out (or as bad as he looked- it was pretty comical at times seeing him wobble his way around baffled defenders!) he still had a massive positive impact for the club. Some can't see past his ungainly stature though. The fourth striker was Robbie Simpson not Garner. |
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Hugely overrated by Town fans! Amazing what being a good human and having a great song can do! 
