Kasumu

[detox]

While some are decrying kasumu's ability he does bring that energy in the centre of the pitch, which not only helps our 'more talented' players have a bit of space to work in, but it also has a destabalising effect on opponents midfield with his tackling and chasing down. It might not be pretty enough for some but it's helped the likes of Wiles to finally find his feet, and the back of the net.

[Million Dollar Babies]

I think people need to realise that championship squads are littered with players of similar ability to Kasumu. Very few have 20+ players who can perform at a high level every single week.

If we go up he is more than capable of being a decent squad player. Yes he was crap last season but it was a complete shit show. In a disciplined squad with a competent manager he would be fine.

[incognito]

Effectively it's a one year extension as we were always going to take up the existing year option for 2025/26. More hedging our bets than an inordinately long-term commitment to the player.

I must admit, when written down, 2027 does look miles into the future though!

[overtonterrierspirit]

Good decision in my opinion.
Earlier in the season, it was obvious that we were missing some energy in midfield.
In my opinion, Kasumu has stepped up just when we need him and I think his general play has improved immensely.
Great to see him buzzing around, harrying opponents.
He’s never had a consistent run of games before due to injury and it’s pretty clear he’s full of confidence at the moment.

[Baby Ate My Eight Ball]

Nov 20, 2024 11:45:59 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

I think people need to realise that championship squads are littered with players of similar ability to Kasumu. Very few have 20+ players who can perform at a high level every single week.

If we go up he is more than capable of being a decent squad player. Yes he was crap last season but it was a complete shit show. In a disciplined squad with a competent manager he would be fine.

If Kasumu was in the squad when Wagner arrived he'd have improved significantly. He has all the ingredients to be a good player in the league above, we've not given him the right leadership.

Look at some of the Ipswich players that have gone up 2 divisions.

[townarentbest]

Someone who has been here a while now, and is obviously NOT regarded as a 'bad egg' by the club.

You can probably add all the players who were trusted to sit in front of fans last night to that mix - which means Ben Wiles, despite what "bells ringing" might be hinting at with his/her pointless shit-stirring just because they want us to be awesome and stroll to the title because thats what we should expect as Town fans 🤷‍♂️

[bells ringing :)]

Nov 20, 2024 16:39:29 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Someone who has been here a while now, and is obviously NOT regarded as a 'bad egg' by the club.

You can probably add all the players who were trusted to sit in front of fans last night to that mix - which means Ben Wiles, despite what "bells ringing" might be hinting at with his/her pointless shit-stirring just because they want us to be awesome and stroll to the title because thats what we should expect as Town fans 🤷‍♂️

your so wrong on the points i make, but thats cool. I DO NOT expect us to stroll to sucess at all. What i am saying and what i am saying is defo very seprate to the point you think i am making.

To gain sucess a mentaility and a togetherness are key aspects to it , something the club is trying to rebuild right now. But is it there yet ? NO and it will take time , this is something Duff and even the players themselves are elluding to. That a winning mentaility/ sucessful one is still yet to be fully inbeded.  Which is veryyyyy different to the point you think i am making. What i am sayiny by what the players have actually STATED themselves and the manager HIMSELF is a concession of this point. That Duff/ AB and Moore tried/ Duff is trying and it is not a light switch that can be turned or and off. When you go 18/20 odd month of losing most weeks, it takes time and that some of the players are showing obvious signs of wear and tear due to it !

[rockwall]

Nov 20, 2024 1:54:19 GMT 1 goodbet said:

Nov 19, 2024 23:36:59 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Few good games and he gets a new contract. In my opinion, not good enough for where we want to be.

Who is the we, in where we want to be?

Fans want to be back in the championship asap, the owner wants a stadium, but first team aim's appear to be somewhat unknown, based on the transfer activity todate.

I suppose 'we' as in everyone wants us back in the championship. To which in my opinion, Kasumu is not good enough

[rockwall]

Nov 20, 2024 0:35:16 GMT 1 runner76 said:

Nov 19, 2024 23:36:59 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Few good games and he gets a new contract. In my opinion, not good enough for where we want to be.

But plenty good enough for where we are and that’s the single most important thing.

He has done well in League 1. But we know he isn't good enough for the Championship. He is also due an injury 😁

[utttrooper]

He's a great ball winner and is a very good player when next to someone who can actually pass. Those saying he's not good enough for the Championship are forgetting the absolute shite he had to play alongside.

[dezzly]

Nov 20, 2024 17:51:03 GMT 1 utttrooper said:

He's a great ball winner and is a very good player when next to someone who can actually pass. Those saying he's not good enough for the Championship are forgetting the absolute shite he had to play alongside.

We played him with hoggy half the time and they largely had the same attributes and same weaknesses so just no balance whatsoever.I think him and Kane complement each other well in this division.Were we to get promoted I think if you played Kasumu you’d need someone like Kane but more athletic.On the flip side if you were to stick with Kane I think you’d need someone with Kasumus strengths next to him but an upgrade who could keep the ball better.
But concentrating on this season I think we’ve dropped on a nice balance with the 3 currently.

[terriersyndrome]

With a fully fit Kane and Wiles, Kasumu will thrive. Energetic, breaking up play, giving it simply.

Those 3 with Evans, Hodge, Hogg and Iorpenda as back up, I think we have a solid midfield overall.

[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

Nov 19, 2024 21:57:26 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

We’re a pretty shite, 3rd tier side. The next Bryan Robson sure ain’t signing for us!

We need to build a team. Kasumu is fine, until he gets the ball. Let him chase, hack and tackle until he gets it…then find a player who can take it off his toes and unleash some magic.

Good midfields are units, not individuals. Imagine Bullock & Marsden together? Hogg was immense when Mooy took it off his toes. Scholes needed Butt. Cantona needed Keane. Gazza needed Ince.

Calm the fuck down.

Totally agree!

[townarentbest]

Nov 20, 2024 17:11:54 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Nov 20, 2024 16:39:29 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Someone who has been here a while now, and is obviously NOT regarded as a 'bad egg' by the club.

You can probably add all the players who were trusted to sit in front of fans last night to that mix - which means Ben Wiles, despite what "bells ringing" might be hinting at with his/her pointless shit-stirring just because they want us to be awesome and stroll to the title because thats what we should expect as Town fans 🤷‍♂️

your so wrong on the points i make, but thats cool. I DO NOT expect us to stroll to sucess at all. What i am saying and what i am saying is defo very seprate to the point you think i am making.

To gain sucess a mentaility and a togetherness are key aspects to it , something the club is trying to rebuild right now. But is it there yet ? NO and it will take time , this is something Duff and even the players themselves are elluding to. That a winning mentaility/ sucessful one is still yet to be fully inbeded.  Which is veryyyyy different to the point you think i am making. What i am sayiny by what the players have actually STATED themselves and the manager HIMSELF is a concession of this point. That Duff/ AB and Moore tried/ Duff is trying and it is not a light switch that can be turned or and off. When you go 18/20 odd month of losing most weeks, it takes time and that some of the players are showing obvious signs of wear and tear due to it !

So presumably we just imagined the bit where you accuse Danny Ward of faking injury/illness?

Zero credibility in what you write following that, sorry 🤷‍♂️

[specialun]

Nov 20, 2024 0:46:07 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Certainly good enough for League 1.

Squad player at Championship level - and it's all about building a squad

Duff is a big fan and says he's a fantastic professional

25 years of age

Approaching 200 game

what's not to like really

We’re rewarding mediocrity. He’s no better than when we signed him

He’s not good enough for championship for 2 seasons.

For someone who is a ‘big fan’ Duff has actually given him
leas minutes than Brietenwriter, Warnock and Moore in similar number of games

He’s injury prone - he’s played less than 30 games in all but one of 5 seasons.

Hopefully he kicks on from here

[htafcdreams]

We have a midfield of little value and as a unit struggle to perform in league 1 consistently.

Kasumu who has only recently come into the side has shown decent application but has been inconsistent as Kasumu has done in the years at the club.

Kasumu spend a lot of last season as a make shift right back.

With injuries keeping Kasumu out quiet a lot, he hasn’t really developed interms of a footballing brain, he has a tendency to switch off or become a headless chicken using his pace to make up for errors. On the ball Kasumu is very limited to not adding any value.

We’ve had no interest or bids in Kasumu and that says what the market thinks of his tenure at town.

The extension in contract is a continuation of the Town strategy at the moment as recruitment remains poor. Extending contracts to players who aren’t improving and no demand for is not a winning strategy.

[Amigo]

Nov 20, 2024 17:11:54 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Nov 20, 2024 16:39:29 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Someone who has been here a while now, and is obviously NOT regarded as a 'bad egg' by the club.

You can probably add all the players who were trusted to sit in front of fans last night to that mix - which means Ben Wiles, despite what "bells ringing" might be hinting at with his/her pointless shit-stirring just because they want us to be awesome and stroll to the title because thats what we should expect as Town fans 🤷‍♂️

your so wrong on the points i make, but thats cool. I DO NOT expect us to stroll to sucess at all. What i am saying and what i am saying is defo very seprate to the point you think i am making.

To gain sucess a mentaility and a togetherness are key aspects to it , something the club is trying to rebuild right now. But is it there yet ? NO and it will take time , this is something Duff and even the players themselves are elluding to. That a winning mentaility/ sucessful one is still yet to be fully inbeded.  Which is veryyyyy different to the point you think i am making. What i am sayiny by what the players have actually STATED themselves and the manager HIMSELF is a concession of this point. That Duff/ AB and Moore tried/ Duff is trying and it is not a light switch that can be turned or and off. When you go 18/20 odd month of losing most weeks, it takes time and that some of the players are showing obvious signs of wear and tear due to it !

Not having the right mentality is completely different to what you originally said, you said -
"We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person".

If you don't personally know any of the players then that is a crazy statement to say quite a few of them are shit people.

As for Kasumu, absolutely no problem with his contract being extended, at the moment he's a first team player, if we went up he'd probably be a squad player but he brings us an energy nobody else in our squad has at the moment and has also chipped in with a couple of decent goals recently.

[crux]

At least it makes more sense than extending the contracts of Ruffels, Ward and Hogg did. Plus, he's probably cheaper than all three of them as well!

[benhomly]

Liked him from day 1 because he never hides, always gives his best.

[bells ringing :)]

Nov 21, 2024 1:11:58 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Nov 20, 2024 17:11:54 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

your so wrong on the points i make, but thats cool. I DO NOT expect us to stroll to sucess at all. What i am saying and what i am saying is defo very seprate to the point you think i am making.

To gain sucess a mentaility and a togetherness are key aspects to it , something the club is trying to rebuild right now. But is it there yet ? NO and it will take time , this is something Duff and even the players themselves are elluding to. That a winning mentaility/ sucessful one is still yet to be fully inbeded.  Which is veryyyyy different to the point you think i am making. What i am sayiny by what the players have actually STATED themselves and the manager HIMSELF is a concession of this point. That Duff/ AB and Moore tried/ Duff is trying and it is not a light switch that can be turned or and off. When you go 18/20 odd month of losing most weeks, it takes time and that some of the players are showing obvious signs of wear and tear due to it !

So presumably we just imagined the bit where you accuse Danny Ward of faking injury/illness?

Zero credibility in what you write following that, sorry 🤷‍♂️

Your so weird mate, ask danny himself he will tell you . Do you think it was councidence that he missed almost a whole season, then when NW came back he was fit to play ? or are you just a bit daft !   i don't have to reason myself the facts are there from what the manager and players themselves have said in interviews if you listen to them , which clearly you don't or just don't listen to them even if you do but thats cool.  Ward is well known for his golfing btw and it is a well known fact that a game his missed through "injury " against watford last season, later that day he was drinking pints watching the christmas lights ....  but its clear your a happy clapper at all costs . those rose tinted glasses must be great . I btw have never said that everything is hunky d , but things are changing for the better . Which is far more clear than everything is great  and the players just are simply not good enough last season and simply are not good enough when we lose , but everyone at the club is i don't even know. When the players and staff have commented on the things i have explained themselves as i say.

[bells ringing :)]

Nov 21, 2024 8:45:21 GMT 1 Amigo said:

Nov 20, 2024 17:11:54 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

your so wrong on the points i make, but thats cool. I DO NOT expect us to stroll to sucess at all. What i am saying and what i am saying is defo very seprate to the point you think i am making.

To gain sucess a mentaility and a togetherness are key aspects to it , something the club is trying to rebuild right now. But is it there yet ? NO and it will take time , this is something Duff and even the players themselves are elluding to. That a winning mentaility/ sucessful one is still yet to be fully inbeded.  Which is veryyyyy different to the point you think i am making. What i am sayiny by what the players have actually STATED themselves and the manager HIMSELF is a concession of this point. That Duff/ AB and Moore tried/ Duff is trying and it is not a light switch that can be turned or and off. When you go 18/20 odd month of losing most weeks, it takes time and that some of the players are showing obvious signs of wear and tear due to it !

Not having the right mentality is completely different to what you originally said, you said -
"We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person".

If you don't personally know any of the players then that is a crazy statement to say quite a few of them are shit people.

As for Kasumu, absolutely no problem with his contract being extended, at the moment he's a first team player, if we went up he'd probably be a squad player but he brings us an energy nobody else in our squad has at the moment and has also chipped in with a couple of decent goals recently.

I stand by what i said mate, i know its hard for some to believe and they don't want to believe it. But over the last 18 /20 months we have had some bad characters playing for the club. hence the amount of absoulte pumpings we have had/ just giving up and that. The lack of leadership within the group has not helped this. From what i have heard / know about some of the players, no i wouldn't want to have them around in a pub or a dinner/ people you would invite round. There are very few characters over the last 18 month that i as a fan were happy to see in our shirt. As the lack of character and effort has being almost laughable at times. The resigned nature of "o well we lost" seems almost crazy, why would i want to talk to people who accept huge wages yet have no fight or character to stop losing?  and want to blame everyone else bar themselves ? Our injury "record" talks volummes! people don't want to hear bad , but other clubs have not had the injury "record" we have had for a reason. Lets not be childish enough to think that everyone at the club over the last 18 months has being totally "committed" to the cause. which it sounds like people want to believe.

We have had managers shouting it out about a bad mentaility or a weak one at the very least, Warnock even joked about things to try and hint. that is before it got stupid at the end of the season with AB . Then there is Duff who talks about mentaility almost every presser and then there are the players, who aren't exactly denying it when they talk in interviews. But no i am stating lies , not what players themselves have said in public or said to anyone who would listen privatley. Listen to the latest Lees pre game, he talked about too much pressure, listen to Wiles post Northampton who admitted " northampton outworked us you know what i mean" . Then you listen to ex pros and they make comments about these things , like you may feel this but you don't admit it you keep that stuff in house.

[townarentbest]

Nov 21, 2024 11:30:27 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Nov 21, 2024 1:11:58 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

So presumably we just imagined the bit where you accuse Danny Ward of faking injury/illness?

Zero credibility in what you write following that, sorry 🤷‍♂️

Your so weird mate, ask danny himself he will tell you . Do you think it was councidence that he missed almost a whole season, then when NW came back he was fit to play ? or are you just a bit daft !   i don't have to reason myself the facts are there from what the manager and players themselves have said in interviews if you listen to them , which clearly you don't or just don't listen to them even if you do but thats cool.  Ward is well known for his golfing btw and it is a well known fact that a game his missed through "injury " against watford last season, later that day he was drinking pints watching the christmas lights ....  but its clear your a happy clapper at all costs . those rose tinted glasses must be great . I btw have never said that everything is hunky d , but things are changing for the better . Which is far more clear than everything is great  and the players just are simply not good enough last season and simply are not good enough when we lose , but everyone at the club is i don't even know. When the players and staff have commented on the things i have explained themselves as i say.

Interesting here I'm considered a happy clapper and mosher has me tagged as being a total downer on the club and everything it does!!! 🤷‍♂️🤪


Yes. Its coincidence.


You do understand that being unfit to play professional football doesn't prevent you from being able to drink alcohol, 'watch Christmas lights' (whatever that entails!?), or even play a round of golf I take it?

As it happens, I know someone who knows Danny directly (through golf), we don't tend to talk about football that much, although I do know about some of the issues that Danny has suffered with AND played through over extended periods whilst with us and at Rotherham - they're very real.

Just one example, he spent at least 3 months of last season turning up early to do extra exercises to help improve his Achilles mobility where he had been struggling. To suggest he's some sort of bad-egg or not a committed professional is a disgrace to be honest.

[bells ringing :)]

Nov 21, 2024 11:52:58 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Nov 21, 2024 11:30:27 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Your so weird mate, ask danny himself he will tell you . Do you think it was councidence that he missed almost a whole season, then when NW came back he was fit to play ? or are you just a bit daft !   i don't have to reason myself the facts are there from what the manager and players themselves have said in interviews if you listen to them , which clearly you don't or just don't listen to them even if you do but thats cool.  Ward is well known for his golfing btw and it is a well known fact that a game his missed through "injury " against watford last season, later that day he was drinking pints watching the christmas lights ....  but its clear your a happy clapper at all costs . those rose tinted glasses must be great . I btw have never said that everything is hunky d , but things are changing for the better . Which is far more clear than everything is great  and the players just are simply not good enough last season and simply are not good enough when we lose , but everyone at the club is i don't even know. When the players and staff have commented on the things i have explained themselves as i say.

Interesting here I'm considered a happy clapper and mosher has me tagged as being a total downer on the club and everything it does!!! 🤷‍♂️🤪


Yes. Its coincidence.


You do understand that being unfit to play professional football doesn't prevent you from being able to drink alcohol, 'watch Christmas lights' (whatever that entails!?), or even play a round of golf I take it?

As it happens, I know someone who knows Danny directly (through golf), we don't tend to talk about football that much, although I do know about some of the issues that Danny has suffered with AND played through over extended periods whilst with us and at Rotherham - they're very real.

Just one example, he spent at least 3 months of last season turning up early to do extra exercises to help improve his Achilles mobility where he had been struggling. To suggest he's some sort of bad-egg or not a committed professional is a disgrace to be honest.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one .

What you were told may well be right, but what i have being told and know comes very close to the squad and players themselves and actually what has happened and being said.

If you believe that everything has being great behind the scenes for the last 18 months if not longer , then thats your bag. It simply has not being the case and blaming manager after manager  is simply not correct. This is the point i was OG making that blaming manager after manager , when a core group has being here for the last 18/20 months , is not fair on them , yet the players go blamless . When there has being things going on that simply does not goed well for a sucessful / professional enviorment in which to work.

[mosher]

Nov 21, 2024 11:52:58 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Nov 21, 2024 11:30:27 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Your so weird mate, ask danny himself he will tell you . Do you think it was councidence that he missed almost a whole season, then when NW came back he was fit to play ? or are you just a bit daft !   i don't have to reason myself the facts are there from what the manager and players themselves have said in interviews if you listen to them , which clearly you don't or just don't listen to them even if you do but thats cool.  Ward is well known for his golfing btw and it is a well known fact that a game his missed through "injury " against watford last season, later that day he was drinking pints watching the christmas lights ....  but its clear your a happy clapper at all costs . those rose tinted glasses must be great . I btw have never said that everything is hunky d , but things are changing for the better . Which is far more clear than everything is great  and the players just are simply not good enough last season and simply are not good enough when we lose , but everyone at the club is i don't even know. When the players and staff have commented on the things i have explained themselves as i say.

Interesting here I'm considered a happy clapper and mosher has me tagged as being a total downer on the club and everything it does!!! 🤷‍♂️🤪


Yes. Its coincidence.


You do understand that being unfit to play professional football doesn't prevent you from being able to drink alcohol, 'watch Christmas lights' (whatever that entails!?), or even play a round of golf I take it?

As it happens, I know someone who knows Danny directly (through golf), we don't tend to talk about football that much, although I do know about some of the issues that Danny has suffered with AND played through over extended periods whilst with us and at Rotherham - they're very real.

Just one example, he spent at least 3 months of last season turning up early to do extra exercises to help improve his Achilles mobility where he had been struggling. To suggest he's some sort of bad-egg or not a committed professional is a disgrace to be honest.

Eh? I don't recall saying exactly that about you (or anyone personally for that matter**)?

Iirc I just said your recent posts suggested you didn't find anything positive at the moment?

** I remember saying "some people would still slag off KN even if he pumped Brum-esque bundles of cash, got us to the Prem... would still hate him", but I don't remember singling anybody out.  If I had a momentary brain fart and did then I apologise profusely and sincerely - it's usually me that points out people can have nuances  

Edit: what is it with being instead of been appearing all the time (not you townarentbest)

[dumbo]

I like Kasumu a lot, think he is one of our better players and has been motm a couple of times this season in my opinion. I'm not sure why he gets so much hate, his weaknesses are no worse than most of the team. He is one of the few that doesn't hide or look half arsed.

He is also improving quite a lot this season and can see that with the two good goals he scored already. Pretty much doubling his career total.

Problem is his injury record.

[townarentbest]

Nov 21, 2024 12:20:21 GMT 1 mosher said:

Nov 21, 2024 11:52:58 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Interesting here I'm considered a happy clapper and mosher has me tagged as being a total downer on the club and everything it does!!! 🤷‍♂️🤪


Yes. Its coincidence.


You do understand that being unfit to play professional football doesn't prevent you from being able to drink alcohol, 'watch Christmas lights' (whatever that entails!?), or even play a round of golf I take it?

As it happens, I know someone who knows Danny directly (through golf), we don't tend to talk about football that much, although I do know about some of the issues that Danny has suffered with AND played through over extended periods whilst with us and at Rotherham - they're very real.

Just one example, he spent at least 3 months of last season turning up early to do extra exercises to help improve his Achilles mobility where he had been struggling. To suggest he's some sort of bad-egg or not a committed professional is a disgrace to be honest.

Eh? I don't recall saying exactly that about you (or anyone personally for that matter**)?

Iirc I just said your recent posts suggested you didn't find anything positive at the moment?

** I remember saying "some people would still slag off KN even if he pumped Brum-esque bundles of cash, got us to the Prem... would still hate him", but I don't remember singling anybody out.  If I had a momentary brain fart and did then I apologise profusely and sincerely - it's usually me that points out people can have nuances  

Edit: what is it with being instead of been appearing all the time (not you townarentbest)

Yup, I'm exaggerating the reality to its extreme - no need to apologise for anything👌

[gowlinggoal]

Kasumu and Kane currently our best midfield. One to do the passing and one for the running. Each makes the other better

[dumbo]

Nov 21, 2024 12:50:29 GMT 1 gowlinggoal said:

Kasumu and Kane currently our best midfield. One to do the passing and one for the running. Each makes the other better

Both 25 too. If they can stay fit and improve a little each could be a good longer term pairing.

[Amigo]

Nov 21, 2024 11:41:26 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Nov 21, 2024 8:45:21 GMT 1 Amigo said:

Not having the right mentality is completely different to what you originally said, you said -
"We have quite a few players, that if they didn't play for us , you would think differently about their character not their talent. We have quite a few players, who if you met them in a pub for example, you wouldn't want to talk to them again or spend anytime with them as they are just a bit shit of a person".

If you don't personally know any of the players then that is a crazy statement to say quite a few of them are shit people.

As for Kasumu, absolutely no problem with his contract being extended, at the moment he's a first team player, if we went up he'd probably be a squad player but he brings us an energy nobody else in our squad has at the moment and has also chipped in with a couple of decent goals recently.

I stand by what i said mate, i know its hard for some to believe and they don't want to believe it. But over the last 18 /20 months we have had some bad characters playing for the club. hence the amount of absoulte pumpings we have had/ just giving up and that. The lack of leadership within the group has not helped this. From what i have heard / know about some of the players, no i wouldn't want to have them around in a pub or a dinner/ people you would invite round. There are very few characters over the last 18 month that i as a fan were happy to see in our shirt. As the lack of character and effort has being almost laughable at times. The resigned nature of "o well we lost" seems almost crazy, why would i want to talk to people who accept huge wages yet have no fight or character to stop losing?  and want to blame everyone else bar themselves ? Our injury "record" talks volummes! people don't want to hear bad , but other clubs have not had the injury "record" we have had for a reason. Lets not be childish enough to think that everyone at the club over the last 18 months has being totally "committed" to the cause. which it sounds like people want to believe.

We have had managers shouting it out about a bad mentaility or a weak one at the very least, Warnock even joked about things to try and hint. that is before it got stupid at the end of the season with AB . Then there is Duff who talks about mentaility almost every presser and then there are the players, who aren't exactly denying it when they talk in interviews. But no i am stating lies , not what players themselves have said in public or said to anyone who would listen privatley. Listen to the latest Lees pre game, he talked about too much pressure, listen to Wiles post Northampton who admitted " northampton outworked us you know what i mean" . Then you listen to ex pros and they make comments about these things , like you may feel this but you don't admit it you keep that stuff in house.

None of that or what you've said previously though shows anything about the apparent amount of shit people we have at the club though. I know loads of people who couldn't give a crap about their job but it doesn't make them shit people.
A weak mentality doesn't make someone a shit person.
Someone feeling pressure because they've got 14000 people shouting at them doesn't make them a shit person.
Having a lack of confidence doesn't make someone a shit person.
Not being a leader doesn't make someone a shit person.

[bells ringing :)]

Nov 21, 2024 16:36:36 GMT 1 Amigo said:

Nov 21, 2024 11:41:26 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

I stand by what i said mate, i know its hard for some to believe and they don't want to believe it. But over the last 18 /20 months we have had some bad characters playing for the club. hence the amount of absoulte pumpings we have had/ just giving up and that. The lack of leadership within the group has not helped this. From what i have heard / know about some of the players, no i wouldn't want to have them around in a pub or a dinner/ people you would invite round. There are very few characters over the last 18 month that i as a fan were happy to see in our shirt. As the lack of character and effort has being almost laughable at times. The resigned nature of "o well we lost" seems almost crazy, why would i want to talk to people who accept huge wages yet have no fight or character to stop losing?  and want to blame everyone else bar themselves ? Our injury "record" talks volummes! people don't want to hear bad , but other clubs have not had the injury "record" we have had for a reason. Lets not be childish enough to think that everyone at the club over the last 18 months has being totally "committed" to the cause. which it sounds like people want to believe.

We have had managers shouting it out about a bad mentaility or a weak one at the very least, Warnock even joked about things to try and hint. that is before it got stupid at the end of the season with AB . Then there is Duff who talks about mentaility almost every presser and then there are the players, who aren't exactly denying it when they talk in interviews. But no i am stating lies , not what players themselves have said in public or said to anyone who would listen privatley. Listen to the latest Lees pre game, he talked about too much pressure, listen to Wiles post Northampton who admitted " northampton outworked us you know what i mean" . Then you listen to ex pros and they make comments about these things , like you may feel this but you don't admit it you keep that stuff in house.

None of that or what you've said previously though shows anything about the apparent amount of shit people we have at the club though. I know loads of people who couldn't give a crap about their job but it doesn't make them shit people.
A weak mentality doesn't make someone a shit person.
Someone feeling pressure because they've got 14000 people shouting at them doesn't make them a shit person.
Having a lack of confidence doesn't make someone a shit person.
Not being a leader doesn't make someone a shit person.

The lack of professionalism which i have explained, shows a person's personaility. It depends what you take as a good person or bad. The amount of bad personailism , such as just fucking off straight after games  for example and tings like that do not help with building a sucessful team spirit and place in which to build. Duff keeps talking about mentaility. It is something that keeps getting mentioned for a reason. We have had a lack of profssionalism, which everyone at the club has actually accepted , there are differing interviews and statments made over the last 18 months  that have stated this .If you want to ignore it thats fine. 

I will not go into specfics anymore or further than i am doing, but the place under CC to now interms of what was acceptable  and what is not was different world. The last two seasons the players were allowed to take the piss and they did , it become a do as you please place and the players took full advantage. Remember this is a professional football club and if some players are taking the p...., then others should have stamped it out , but they didn't. Which to me shows , that we have players who didn't want to put right bad things, but were ok and didn't want to stand up to be counted. As i say depends on what you class as good people and bad are, i suppose to me good characters / people don't take the piss  out of the situation and knuckle down and work and no EXCUSES , don't blame everyone else look at yourself and put it right.  As to me bad personailities hide when its not going well, you find out who the real good people and characters are when its bad not when its good.