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Post by megastar1 on Feb 15, 2009 12:08:42 GMT 1
When are Town and West Yorkshire police going to come up with a sensible post match policy for the exit of away fans from the galpharm. It was extremely fortunate yesterday that trouble didn't flare in the St Andrews car park area. When fans are forced to walk across a grassed (muddy) slope because of the serious congestion by the leeds coaches you are just asking for trouble. It would have only taken a surge from a few troublemakers and a little bit of panic from the fans for a serious crush situation to have ensued. A few police with dogs would have been no use whatsoever in that scenario. It was lucky for the WYP and the club that fans from both sides behaved with common sense and that nothing happened. However, I wonder what might have happened if the game had ended differently with a controversial late penalty for instance. Maybe tempers would have been raised and problems ensued.
It's no good to say that just because that didn't happen that it's not relevant. If we are to progress as a club, and reach the championship, we will attract far higher crowds consistently of say 17,000 plus, and host teams from Sheff Wednesday; Sheff United; Barnsley; Wolves; Birmingham; Burnley; Preston; Derby; Forest etc. We will face severe problems and criticism if you cannot come up with a sensible policy. Why are we the only club - it seems - who don't keep the away fans back until the home fans have left the immediate area? Leeds kept town back for 45 minutes after the game at Elland Road. It's not uncommon in high profile games. If the away end is not capable of containment you need to ask yourself what changes need to be made to alter that. I await your comments with interest - as i'm sure most town fans will.
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Post by midge on Feb 15, 2009 12:11:52 GMT 1
I've seen an argument on another thread that Town made the decision for fear of them smashing the stadium up.....the lesser of 2 evils if you like!!!!
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Post by captainbeefheart on Feb 15, 2009 12:17:54 GMT 1
I think you have to give Leeds fans credit for not reacting, considering the fact we had lost, had just been subjected to severe provocation inside the ground (not a criticism, it's part of the game) and the shambolic policing which led to many opportunities for violence to break out.
Not quite the neanderthal knuckle dragging scum we're made out to be were we?
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Post by henseventee on Feb 15, 2009 12:21:36 GMT 1
Just as long as you remember there were TWO sets of fans not reacting, I'll let you off.  |
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Post by captainbeefheart on Feb 15, 2009 12:23:41 GMT 1
Just as long as you remember there were TWO sets of fans not reacting, I'll let you off. Yes, and you deserve credit too, but we were the one's who had lost and had reason to be mad, that's really my point. |
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Post by midge on Feb 15, 2009 12:24:09 GMT 1
I think some people need to calm down and just accept that this sort of thing is gonna happen with a big crowd/derby!!!
We were kept in at Bellend Road last season, but there were still loads of l**ds fans around so didn't really achieve much!!!
One option would have been to send all Town fans out towards Kilner Bank.. That would have stopped the conjestion in the St Andrew's car park........but not stopped people moaning like fook on here!!!!
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Post by shawsie on Feb 15, 2009 12:27:46 GMT 1
I think you have to give Leeds fans credit for not reacting, considering the fact we had lost, had just been subjected to severe provocation inside the ground (not a criticism, it's part of the game) and the shambolic policing which led to many opportunities for violence to break out. Not quite the neanderthal knuckle dragging scum we're made out to be were we? To be fair Hull, thought both sets of fans were reasonably well behaved considering the total and utter shambolic policing at the ground! They change kick off times, herd folk around like cattle and then stand around like dummies when their plans go wrong! How difficult is it to keep the away fans in the ground for 5/10mins to clear the home areas and then escort them away - the scenes by the coaches were shambolic and its about time the bloody police got their act together - after all there were hundreds of em there yday! |
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Post by Tez on Feb 15, 2009 12:29:35 GMT 1
It was like the WYP wanted it to kick off between the sets of fans. Mental.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Feb 15, 2009 12:29:45 GMT 1
put the away fans in the south end of the direct golf lower and give home fans the south stand,
away fans still near coach park hold them back 10-15 mins plenty of space behind the stand and its indoors.
it makes sense!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 12:32:14 GMT 1
Fair play to the Leeds fans on the way out. A town fan i was walking next to was doing all he could to get a reaction including singing "always look out for turks carrying knives"  muppet. I was actually hoping a leeds fan was going to land one on him but as he was with a large group of other muppets he got away with it |
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Post by henseventee on Feb 15, 2009 12:39:58 GMT 1
We were kept in at Bellend Road last season, but there were still loads of l**ds fans around so didn't really achieve much!!! Those behind the goals in the "family area" at the game at Elland Road THIS season weren't locked in though - so you had blokes with kids coming out into a load of Leeds finest frothers. |
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Post by champagnesupernovak on Feb 15, 2009 13:03:19 GMT 1
That might have been the same muppet(in the white and black hoody) that I saw on the raised banking opposite the away end that thought it was fun to lob bricks at the L***S fans. If it had kicked off in that area there would have been hell on as all the decent town fans adults and kids would have been caught right in it. No doubt this brave stone thrower would have gone like a shot.
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Post by Sosa on Feb 15, 2009 13:14:27 GMT 1
I think some people need to calm down and just accept that this sort of thing is gonna happen with a big crowd/derby!!! We were kept in at Bellend Road last season, but there were still loads of l**ds fans around so didn't really achieve much!!! One option would have been to send all Town fans out towards Kilner Bank.. That would have stopped the conjestion in the St Andrew's car park........but not stopped people moaning like fook on here!!!! Well said lad, its football it happens. Stop moaning people, we beat leeds for the 3rd time in a row. What more do u want.  |
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Post by wadz89 on Feb 15, 2009 14:08:29 GMT 1
I think some people need to calm down and just accept that this sort of thing is gonna happen with a big crowd/derby!!! We were kept in at Bellend Road last season, but there were still loads of l**ds fans around so didn't really achieve much!!! One option would have been to send all Town fans out towards Kilner Bank.. That would have stopped the conjestion in the St Andrew's car park........but not stopped people moaning like fook on here!!!! Well said lad, its football it happens. Stop moaning people, we beat leeds for the 3rd time in a row. What more do u want. Yeah lets wait till someone innocent gets hurt, hey it could be you, but its alirght cos we won the match, who cares if we get beat up, aslong as we won right? Muppet. |
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Post by terrierng on Feb 15, 2009 14:17:28 GMT 1
I think you have to give Leeds fans credit for not reacting, considering the fact we had lost, had just been subjected to severe provocation inside the ground (not a criticism, it's part of the game) and the shambolic policing which led to many opportunities for violence to break out. Not quite the neanderthal knuckle dragging scum we're made out to be were we? beg to differ,some on your supporters coaches were hell bent on trouble,from behind the police of course. |
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Post by boothys9iron on Feb 15, 2009 14:25:33 GMT 1
I still think away fans should be in FM stand, up out of the way they would be easier to hold back and less chance of trouble.
It would create a more intimidating place to play for away players as well with all there fans so far from the pitch and us packing the south stand out!!
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Post by captainbeefheart on Feb 15, 2009 14:31:53 GMT 1
I think you have to give Leeds fans credit for not reacting, considering the fact we had lost, had just been subjected to severe provocation inside the ground (not a criticism, it's part of the game) and the shambolic policing which led to many opportunities for violence to break out. Not quite the neanderthal knuckle dragging scum we're made out to be were we? beg to differ,some on your supporters coaches were hell bent on trouble,from behind the police of course. Not the impression I got, and I was stood in front of the coaches as you all passed, all pretty good natured as far as I'm concerned. You think that was an example of Leeds fans being hell bent on trouble? |
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Post by Sosa on Feb 15, 2009 14:40:55 GMT 1
Well said lad, its football it happens. Stop moaning people, we beat leeds for the 3rd time in a row. What more do u want. Yeah lets wait till someone innocent gets hurt, hey it could be you, but its alirght cos we won the match, who cares if we get beat up, aslong as we won right? Muppet. My point was, people on here were moaning before yesterdays game. That they didn't want to be kept in the ground after the match. So you were allowed to leave the ground at the final whistle. Yet your still moaning. Can't win either way |
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Post by terrierneil on Feb 15, 2009 14:41:04 GMT 1
Bit of an over reaction here. Nowt but a big crowd and a bit of shouting. Seen worse loads of times, when Hull came for example.
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Post by terrierng on Feb 15, 2009 14:42:43 GMT 1
beg to differ,some on your supporters coaches were hell bent on trouble,from behind the police of course. Not the impression I got, and I was stood in front of the coaches as you all passed, all pretty good natured as far as I'm concerned. You think that was an example of Leeds fans being hell bent on trouble? hull if thats good natured i can see now why your fans are detested so much,you either never saw any confrontation or just thought it high jinks,for the record i was drinking with some lads from leeds,never met them before and they were sound lads so im not saying its all of you but to say it was good natured is laughable,some from them coaches were trying to start trouble with kids around,ive been guilty of nautiness in the past but to cause aggro in front of kids is despicable,sorry if this breaks your illusion pal but it happened. |
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Post by terrierng on Feb 15, 2009 14:44:41 GMT 1
Bit of an over reaction here. Nowt but a big crowd and a bit of shouting. Seen worse loads of times, when Hull came for example. differance there mate was it was two sets of fans who wanted to fight each other. |
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Post by captainbeefheart on Feb 15, 2009 14:54:59 GMT 1
Not the impression I got, and I was stood in front of the coaches as you all passed, all pretty good natured as far as I'm concerned. You think that was an example of Leeds fans being hell bent on trouble? hull if thats good natured i can see now why your fans are detested so much,you either never saw any confrontation or just thought it high jinks,for the record i was drinking with some lads from leeds,never met them before and they were sound lads so im not saying its all of you but to say it was good natured is laughable,some from them coaches were trying to start trouble with kids around,ive been guilty of nautiness in the past but to cause aggro in front of kids is despicable,sorry if this breaks your illusion pal but it happened. Well I didn't see any of that mate, I've been watching Leeds away for nearly 30 years and I have to say that yesterday was (thankfully) very tame. To be honest I'm surprised that someone with a 'history' on the terraces should choose to over react to what was really something and nothing yesterday, at least so far as I'm aware. Things may have happened that I didn't witness though and if so I stand corrected. |
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Post by terrierng on Feb 15, 2009 15:02:52 GMT 1
hull if thats good natured i can see now why your fans are detested so much,you either never saw any confrontation or just thought it high jinks,for the record i was drinking with some lads from leeds,never met them before and they were sound lads so im not saying its all of you but to say it was good natured is laughable,some from them coaches were trying to start trouble with kids around,ive been guilty of nautiness in the past but to cause aggro in front of kids is despicable,sorry if this breaks your illusion pal but it happened. Well I didn't see any of that mate, I've been watching Leeds away for nearly 30 years and I have to say that yesterday was (thankfully) very tame. To be honest I'm surprised that someone with a 'history' on the terraces should choose to over react to what was really something and nothing yesterday, at least so far as I'm aware. Things may have happened that I didn't witness though and if so I stand corrected. well i must of seen something you didnt pal but my history<which it is> was never to frighten and intimidate people who wernt intrested,i saw this yesterday,admittidly nothing much happened but i think that was more luck than judgement,anyway enough of this we should be enjoying beating you lot again what was your opinion of the game hull? i reckoned we derseved it but were hanging on the last 20,if beckford was playing we may have lost,bet hes not your favourite at the moment. |
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Post by Belfast_Boy on Feb 15, 2009 15:03:56 GMT 1
beg to differ,some on your supporters coaches were hell bent on trouble,from behind the police of course. Not the impression I got, and I was stood in front of the coaches as you all passed, all pretty good natured as far as I'm concerned. You think that was an example of Leeds fans being hell bent on trouble? Well what about the Leeds fans hurling rocks and snowballs at the Town fans? And what about the ones that were spitting all over women and children??? By the coaches behind the police your fans were awful Hull.(nice rhyme  ) One guy tried to spit at me and the police did nothing, he pointed at me aswell and gestured that he may wish to slit my throat. Considering i wasn't one f the ones singing, i dont understand this |
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Post by captainbeefheart on Feb 15, 2009 15:12:18 GMT 1
Well I didn't see any of that mate, I've been watching Leeds away for nearly 30 years and I have to say that yesterday was (thankfully) very tame. To be honest I'm surprised that someone with a 'history' on the terraces should choose to over react to what was really something and nothing yesterday, at least so far as I'm aware. Things may have happened that I didn't witness though and if so I stand corrected. well i must of seen something you didnt pal but my history<which it is> was never to frighten and intimidate people who wernt intrested,i saw this yesterday,admittidly nothing much happened but i think that was more luck than judgement,anyway enough of this we should be enjoying beating you lot again what was your opinion of the game hull? i reckoned we derseved it but were hanging on the last 20,if beckford was playing we may have lost,bet hes not your favourite at the moment. Fair enough. Decent game, I think we possibly deserved a draw and yes I'm pretty unhappy with Beckford at the moment. |
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Post by dannyHTFC on Feb 15, 2009 15:13:43 GMT 1
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Post by captainbeefheart on Feb 15, 2009 15:16:53 GMT 1
Not the impression I got, and I was stood in front of the coaches as you all passed, all pretty good natured as far as I'm concerned. You think that was an example of Leeds fans being hell bent on trouble? Well what about the Leeds fans hurling rocks and snowballs at the Town fans? And what about the ones that were spitting all over women and children??? By the coaches behind the police your fans were awful Hull.(nice rhyme ) One guy tried to spit at me and the police did nothing, he pointed at me aswell and gestured that he may wish to slit my throat. Considering i wasn't one f the ones singing, i dont understand this Rocks and snowballs!?  And did you really witness someone spit at a child? You sure you aren't just telling a few porky pies mate? |
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Post by bigdavek on Feb 15, 2009 15:24:35 GMT 1
I also saw spitting from a guy behind the police lines at the coaches, and at least 3 of his mates holding him back from having a go at someone. It may have been a lone muppet but if his mates hadn't held him back and others had seen it could have got quite nasty.
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Post by jackosgal on Feb 15, 2009 16:05:26 GMT 1
It was a bit hair-raising leaving the ground yesterday, really congested. It is easy for the "Safety Officer" to say wait for 20 minutes, but I had a train to catch!
There was definite tension behind the poice cordon in front of the Leeds coaches, and I witnessed one middle aged Leeds fan trying to kick off, a policeman angrilly told him it was not a good idea, and I saw the snowball throwing as well.
It might have been a better idea to leave the Leeds fans locked in the ground until 20 minutes after the end. Most of the Town fans would have made their way by then.
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Post by pozza on Feb 15, 2009 16:40:36 GMT 1
Crowds at football? Whatever next....
I've been to games at Old Trafford and they have 70,000 folk all leaving the stadium at once, and you have to walk down roads & passage ways that are far narrower and smaller than they are outside Towns ground.
If people are sensible & just wait, there is no problems.
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