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Post by hudds4eva on Feb 20, 2009 0:59:30 GMT 1
the point seems to be slightly missed, the trophy was donated to the club by my nan for the every day supporter so they could vote for there favorite player, by having it sponsored it goes against everything my nan stood for, and me and the family are upset we wasnt even contacted prior to this decision being made, we was very proud last season to present the trophy for my nan and we feel that has been taken away from us
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Post by sowerbyterrier2 on Feb 20, 2009 1:00:42 GMT 1
WARNING --- off topic ------ totally missing not having the same seats as the last few years manc. celebrations aren't the same sat at the front.
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Post by Admin on Feb 20, 2009 1:04:20 GMT 1
Where are you sat nowadays? We've now got a bloke with twin daughters sat next to us. Its a real hoot when we score and theyre playing with their dollies  |
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Post by mids on Feb 20, 2009 1:10:54 GMT 1
the point seems to be slightly missed, the trophy was donated to the club by my nan for the every day supporter so they could vote for there favorite player, by having it sponsored it goes against everything my nan stood for, and me and the family are upset we wasnt even contacted prior to this decision being made, we was very proud last season to present the trophy for my nan and we feel that has been taken away from us Trust me the club accept that your family should have been informed of their idea before it was announced. Your nan's award does not have to be part of the Annual Awards Ceremony, and personally I think the decision whether it is or not is entirely your family's to make. The same goes as for whether it should be sponsored or not. |
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Post by terrier60 on Feb 20, 2009 1:31:35 GMT 1
just back from work so i've only just got up to date on the issue.The club was fantastic with us during ediths illness,and after she passed away,and i know no upset was meant by this announcement.Edith loved the club and i know how proud she was presenting the trophy to the winner for over 30yrs.When she knew she would't make last years awards it was her wish that my two daughters carry on the tradition by presenting the trophy on her behalf.It is this wish,more than anything else,i would like the club to take note of.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 20, 2009 1:49:17 GMT 1
I understand that the initial idea was to hold a large ( affordable) event at the stadium, maybe on the pitch in a marquee, but Davy/KSDL would require a large amount of money to hire this facility ( yes even for an official HTFC function) and Dean Hoyle has no desire to give Davy/KSDL any more money than he has to, which as we already know is a flaming fortune!
As with so many things HTFC, we're hampered by Davy's desire to make a lot of money out of the club 'he has grown to love'.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Feb 20, 2009 9:55:22 GMT 1
Where are you sat nowadays? We've now got a bloke with twin daughters sat next to us. Its a real hoot when we score and they're playing with their dollies where sat in block to your left about 7 rows from the front. hopefully be back up top next season, theres some right moaning banker sat just behind us! oh for those goal celebrations! |
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Post by mids on Feb 20, 2009 10:18:22 GMT 1
I understand that the initial idea was to hold a large ( affordable) event at the stadium, maybe on the pitch in a marquee, but Davy/KSDL would require a large amount of money to hire this facility ( yes even for an official HTFC function) and Dean Hoyle has no desire to give Davy/KSDL any more money than he has to, which as we already know is a flaming fortune! As with so many things HTFC, we're hampered by Davy's desire to make a lot of money out of the club 'he has grown to love'. Fair point....but even as things currently stand, KSDL will be charging HTFC for them hiring the Banqueting Suite, and KSDL will make a fortune on feeding and watering everyone. |
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Post by rage_of_ed on Feb 20, 2009 10:34:19 GMT 1
I understand that the initial idea was to hold a large ( affordable) event at the stadium, maybe on the pitch in a marquee, but Davy/KSDL would require a large amount of money to hire this facility ( yes even for an official HTFC function) and Dean Hoyle has no desire to give Davy/KSDL any more money than he has to, which as we already know is a flaming fortune! As with so many things HTFC, we're hampered by Davy's desire to make a lot of money out of the club 'he has grown to love'. Fair point....but even as things currently stand, KSDL will be charging HTFC for them hiring the Banqueting Suite, and KSDL will make a fortune on feeding and watering everyone. This crossed my mind too last night but as someone that is not in possession of the full facts, or at least is well informed, I held back. HOWEVER, what I do feel is that the situation of Town having to pay large sums of money to hold an annual event at their own home ground is an absolute nonsense and a disgrace. It has potentially hampered what I'm sure will be a decent event, but one that could arguably have been even more special (IMHO the marquee-on-pitch idea was a great one). However, I'm willing to stand corrected on any of the above  |
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Post by readsthemac on Feb 20, 2009 11:02:04 GMT 1
why not put the marquee up on the training ground at Storths Hall? then KD wouldn't get a cut !!
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Post by cas4 on Feb 20, 2009 12:12:11 GMT 1
If it is the case that Town have to pay to use "their" own facilities then why not pay for something decent, as in a decent hotel or Bradley Grange or summat similar as in my experience the food and service down at the stadium in their so called banqueting areas is shite
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Post by SN0W on Feb 20, 2009 13:24:05 GMT 1
If it is the case that Town have to pay to use "their" own facilities then why not pay for something decent, as in a decent hotel or Bradley Grange or summat similar as in my experience the food and service down at the stadium in their so called banqueting areas is shite UTT An open air event with pie and peas and a band... If Ken wants to screw us on the price then look elsewhere... If the club really wants an upmarket event then they should realise that the stadium food is substandard and you shouldn't be paying premium prices for it |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 20, 2009 13:39:25 GMT 1
It's getting close to the time when the club and fans will be able to play hardball with davy and his hobby of fleecing Huddersfield Town through his company KSDL. Maybe with the help of HTSA organising a boycott of all in ground catering whilst he continues to try little tricks like charging the club extortionate amounts to hold events such as this in the stadium HTFC largely built in the fist place and continue to finance.
Maybe a boycott of all pitchside advertisers?
Collectively,we the fans have enormous power to stop this guy screwing us over
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Post by gruberhtafc on Feb 20, 2009 13:42:49 GMT 1
But surely with less income from sponsership and catering he will increase the match day rent?
Also by boycotting the companies who sponsor the boards this will be bad for the town.
Yes some of these are big companies but others are small local companies who might need the advertising to keep a float in this credit crunch.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Feb 20, 2009 13:43:46 GMT 1
It's getting close to the time when the club and fans will be able to play hardball with davy and his hobby of fleecing Huddersfield Town through his company KSDL. Maybe with the help of HTSA organising a boycott of all in ground catering whilst he continues to try little tricks like charging the club extortionate amounts to hold events such as this in the stadium HTFC largely built in the fist place and continue to finance. Maybe a boycott of all pitchside advertisers? Collectively,we the fans have enormous power to stop this guy screwing us over Is that the Marxist in you coming out? In today's society the most powerful people are the working class. Luckily for the government and those in charge, they don't actually realise it  A boycott of any sort would only work with serious publicity behind it. |
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Feb 20, 2009 14:21:43 GMT 1
Well done Sean for coming on here with a response full of facts.
I'm quite happy to let both Marcus and Sean Iron it out as I think together we can move forward and appease the situation to suite all parties concerned.
Keep Up The Good Work Guys
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Feb 20, 2009 14:38:38 GMT 1
Anyone any ideas where we could have the do? I dont really know the Huddersfield pub/club/function room scene very well.... How many do you think would come? We could have it at Valley Parade! That way it doesn't matter how many people turn up we can just tell everyone there was 12'500 in attendance!  Brilliant Davey ;D |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 20, 2009 14:54:25 GMT 1
But surely with less income from sponsership and catering he will increase the match day rent? Also by boycotting the companies who sponsor the boards this will be bad for the town. Yes some of these are big companies but others are small local companies who might need the advertising to keep a float in this credit crunch. No he couldn't I don't think because that is a 'set in stone' formula don't forget. The rent the clubs pay is split depending on games played, crowds etc but it doesn't go up if KSDLs other income streams suddenly reduce, just like it wouldn't go down when/if the HD1 project ever starts bringing Davy in the money. As for the companies that buy the hoardings, yes its very harsh on them as they have done nothing wrong and I suspect many of them have little or no idea that the money they contribute actually goes to KSDL and never makes it to HTFC. I doubt any 'rely' on this advertising for business and would think it is 90% used as a networking business tool or (wrongly) as a way of supporting the club. When the Catering company pay KSDL £200k instead of £500k and advertisers start pulling out left right and centre, and KSDL's annual profits suddenly turn into annual losses, then davy might regret treating HTFC as a defenceless cashcow. Can't see it ever happenning by the way, just think it would be great if it did. |
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Post by gruberhtafc on Feb 20, 2009 15:32:19 GMT 1
We could have it at Valley Parade! That way it doesn't matter how many people turn up we can just tell everyone there was 12'500 in attendance! Brilliant Davey ;D Plus i dont think anyone would care if it got abit roudy here. no one will notice the difference ... it already smells of vomit and llooks like some one smashed the place |
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Post by ksne on Feb 20, 2009 15:45:38 GMT 1
Dear all I have read some of the comments and had a couple of lengthy conversations with Marcus. Firstly I have arranged to meet with Marcus tomorrow and discuss this in greater detail. In the meantime I wanted to come on here and defend our case. Firstly this is in no way a case of a 'corporate' conspiracy. As Marcus will vouch for us, the Club have been looking for a venue for the past 6 months that could hold over 500 to 1000 supporters. We have investigated all avenues including marquees on the pitch etc. However each time we have hit a brick wall with the costs. I remain open that if someone can help us find a venue that can attract the numbers that can help us get the costs down that can make it more affordable then I will gladly and openly listen and if needs be revisit or move the awards ceremony. Again I would hope Marcus can vouch for the desire expressed by the Club to try and achieve this. We have looked at our costs and sadly based on the numbers it is hard for us to do anything on the price. The team have equally looked at other venues that can hold similar numbers in the hope we can get the costs down. Again on each occasion we have hit a brick wall due to either the venue being too small or in some cases already booked. As for the Hargreaves award. Then I can only apologise. There is no agenda here. The Club felt that it was doing the right thing by making it the ultimate accolade and continuing the growing relationship that has been established between HTSA and the Club. We felt that by making this award the top award then it kept the tradition going. I am more than happy to take this out of the ceremony if the family or HTSA wish. Equally as I have explained to Marcus this evening I am happy to help with an HTSA ceremony as per previous years - either before the event at the stadium or as explained in an earlier meeting to hold something specific purely for the HTSA. I will naturally discuss this in greater detail with Marcus tomorrow. One suggestion is to hand over the trophy during the last game, in so doing any impact on the evening will be lost, but the supporters at the ground will of course know before the ceremony. Furthermore if that by gaining sponsorship to this award offends then I am happy to stop this As for the financial aspect, then we have to generate revenue for the club. As we all know there has been considerable investment into the club and we have to aim for financial stability. So we as an off the field team have a duty to look at all avenues. Again I felt I was acting in the interest of the Club (in association with HTSA) on this one. This financial impact is all the more greater with the continuing recession. Finally, as I would hope that anyone who has any dealing with myself will realise that what I am trying to do is for the benefit of the club taking into consideration our supporters. Naturally along the way there are to be some disagreements, but at the end of it, I want us to become a stronger organisation and one that all of us can be proud of. Sean Thanks for the reply.Nice to know you really do read the board and take note. Is the ICI( as it used to be named) still got it`s club facilities?. |
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Post by mids on Feb 20, 2009 17:01:15 GMT 1
Just back from my meeting with Sean to try and iron out any grievances and to ensure that we are not at cross purposes.
The meeting went well and we both accepted, with the benefit of hindsight, that things could, and should, have been handled better.
We both spoke to Kelly Hargreaves (Edith Hargreaves' granddaughter).
Sean reitterated that HTFC in no way wanted to disrespect the Hargreaves family, or the club's supporters, by doing what they are doing with the Annual Awards Ceremony. It was, and still is, the club's intention to maintain the Edith Hargreaves Player Of The Year Award as the pinnacle and it's integrity.
The trophy would, as ever, be awarded to the player who amassed the most votes from all supporters by whatever means are available e.g. club website, voting slips, texting, Examiner. It would be presented initially on the Saturday evening at the Annual Awards Ceremony, and would then be presented again at the 'ordinary fans' event on the following Tuesday/Wednesday evening.
I stated that HTSA would prefer the Hargreaves family to decide which avenue they would prefer to take this year. Either to have it presented at the Annual Awards Ceremony on the Saturday night, at the HTSA/DATM event in the following week, or both. The decision rests with them and they are all going to consider it over the next few days.
I said that hopefully this would only be an issue this year as the events appear fragmented. The intention is to strive over the next 12mths to ensure next season's Awards Ceremony is priced accordingly so as not to exclude any 'ordinary fan', and so that this year's tribulations won't occur again.
It was pointed out that if the Hargreaves family chose to have the award presented solely at the HTSA event then the club would abide by that decision, but that they would have to organise their own POTY Award, and this may detract from the esteem the Hargreaves Award holds, and dilute its' importance.
The 'corporate' event is happening. The club needs to try and maximise its' revenue streams and they believe this event will uphold that. HTSA can, and will support the event despite the reality being that many 'ordinary fans' will be unable to attend.
However, there is nothing to stop HTSA (and DATM) organising our own Awards Night to be held at the Gas Club or a similar venue at an affordable price for all 'ordinary fans' be they HTSA members or not. The club will support this, and they will send a full compliment of players and staff to the evening....subject to playing/training/travel restraints in the build up to what could be an important last match of the season.
This HTSA event could charge a relatively low ticket price of (for example) £5 which would include a supper. Any surplus funds could then be given to the club as a gesture from the fans, or it could be given to a nominated charity. The event would no doubt be limited in number to what the given venue allows but should in theory be a success and an enjoyable evening.
It just needs people to help organise and make it work. ;D
mids & smj1
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Feb 20, 2009 17:05:34 GMT 1
thanks mids and smj1 good to have it all cleared up very quickly
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Post by jackosgal on Feb 20, 2009 17:08:14 GMT 1
Marcus,
You haven't said so as such, but am I right in guessing that the proposed "sponsorship" of the Hargreaves Trophy is (thankfully) not going to happen.
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Post by smj1 on Feb 20, 2009 17:42:52 GMT 1
I can clear that one up - WILL NOT be sponsored
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Post by Sheps on Feb 20, 2009 17:46:33 GMT 1
Good work Sean.
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Post by jackosgal on Feb 20, 2009 18:11:41 GMT 1
I can clear that one up - WILL NOT be sponsored Thank you Sean |
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Post by bro600 on Feb 20, 2009 18:37:35 GMT 1
In the so-called administrators of this chuffing website.
Halfway through the thread about the awards ceremony taking part in an off topic discussion whilst a member of Edith Hargreaves family are trying to give their feelings about the issue.
SHOW SOME FRIGGING RESPECT..
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Post by Mirfield Lass on Feb 20, 2009 20:07:56 GMT 1
Well said Bro!
Sean - When you where looking at somewhere to hold 500-1000 I went through our conferencing team's brochure at possible venues which wern't suitable (I never mentioned one that was in the email to you - Elland Road ;D )
Do you want me to have another look on Monday to see what other possibilities there are in the local area that are smaller & cheap?
Sian
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Post by Polish Hippy on Feb 20, 2009 20:43:01 GMT 1
Sorry, buy the fact is that the end of season Player of the Year dance was always organised by the Supporters Club. It was always aimed at the ordinary fan and used as a fundraiser for the Supporters Club which in recent seasons helped subsidise some of the losses made on running coaches and also to make contributions to the Academy.
If the club wanted a glitzy fund raising corporate do then they should have it at the start of the season where new sponsors, advertisers, corporate box holders etc can all hob nob with each other. The very fact that it was decided to turn it into a black tie do demonstrates clearly who this hijacked event was aimed at.
The very fact that we, the ordinary supporter, now have to change OUR event to a midweek event just goes to show that the club have got their way and been allowed to steal OUR awards ceremony and end of season do away from us.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Feb 20, 2009 20:47:32 GMT 1
i think most poeple have accepted its happening now and compromise has being reached polish
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