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Post by TomTheTerrier on Feb 20, 2009 20:52:20 GMT 1
I can definitely see where you're coming from Polish, but it sounds to me like Sean and Marcus have found a middle ground, or are at least on the way to finding one. Does a club-run event detract from the HTSA event? Yes, without doubt, but at the same time the club have to look for revenue streams outside of normal boundaries, especially considering the season ticket deal and the concerns with KSDL. For all the fantastic effort the club and Sean in particular put in to communicate with the fans, we have to remember that first and foremost it is a business, and to survive it needs revenue. I think the middleground that has been negotiated suits both parties on this occasion. That's just my personal opinion, you're much more experienced and involved with HTSA than I am  Hopefully a joint DATM/HTSA event can still be a great sucess. |
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Post by Polish Hippy on Feb 20, 2009 21:14:34 GMT 1
I don't see it as a middle ground, the club have been allowed to steal OUR end of season awards do. It's something Sean has been wanting to get his hands on since he came to the club and all we've done is meekly roll ever and let him tickle our tummy. If the club want to "maximise revenue streams" then they should find new ones of their own and not steal what has traditionally been a fans event. I suggested they could have a corporate black tie pre-season do but they're not interested in that. Sean has been handed on a plate what he's wanted for the past 2 years. Do you honestly think that anything we plan for this season will continue and be seen as THE main awards and end of season do? I think the whole thing stinks. HTSA has been painted into a corner and basically been told take it or leave it.  |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 20, 2009 21:19:06 GMT 1
 I think you are vindicated in how angry and concerned you feel over this sorry affair Polski. Its not very clever on behalf ot the club imo. Hope soemthing happens to meet with your approval. TTID
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Post by Polish Hippy on Feb 20, 2009 21:48:43 GMT 1
I think if we're going to organise something then we should arrange it for when we've always had it - the evening of the last Saturday home game of the season. If this coincides with their stuffy black tie do then sod them.
Having a midweek do for the ordinary supporter inconveniences us more than it would the hoity toities. They can claim an overnight hotel stay and write it off as business expenses. There are hundreds of ordinary fans who live well away from Huddersfield who could justify staying over on the Saturday night but couldn't for a midweek HTSA/DATM do. Having a midweek do for us would prevent hundreds from coming to our event and would give the club a reason to say it's not well supported, we were fully justified in doing our own thing.
I suggest we try and organise it for the Saturday evening of the 25th of April at the Gas Club, we organise voting for the awards the fans have always voted for and if the club don't want to support our do then sod them.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 20, 2009 21:54:12 GMT 1
All well and good Stan, but there presumably wouldn't be any award winners there to collect their gongs as they'll all be at the club's black tie event.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Feb 20, 2009 21:58:51 GMT 1
I think if we're going to organise something then we should arrange it for when we've always had it - the evening of the last Saturday home game of the season. If this coincides with their stuffy black tie do then sod them. Having a midweek do for the ordinary supporter inconveniences us more than it would the hoity toities. They can claim an overnight hotel stay and write it off as business expenses. There are hundreds of ordinary fans who live well away from Huddersfield who could justify staying over on the Saturday night but couldn't for a midweek HTSA/DATM do. Having a midweek do for us would prevent hundreds from coming to our event and would give the club a reason to say it's not well supported, we were fully justified in doing our own thing. I suggest we try and organise it for the Saturday evening of the 25th of April at the Gas Club, we organise voting for the awards the fans have always voted for and if the club don't want to support our do then sod them. Completely understand your concerns Polish, but surely if it was done this way, no players/staff would be able to attend? |
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Post by Polish Hippy on Feb 20, 2009 22:01:03 GMT 1
That's as maybe Lee but the whole point is the club had no right to hijack our event. By turning it into a corporate black tie event then it's patently obvious they don't want ordinary supporters at their fancy do. Well it's our football club not theirs. Where would they be without us?
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Post by mids on Feb 20, 2009 23:20:23 GMT 1
I don't see it as a middle ground, the club have been allowed to steal OUR end of season awards do. It's something Sean has been wanting to get his hands on since he came to the club and all we've done is meekly roll ever and let him tickle our tummy. If the club want to "maximise revenue streams" then they should find new ones of their own and not steal what has traditionally been a fans event. I suggested they could have a corporate black tie pre-season do but they're not interested in that. Sean has been handed on a plate what he's wanted for the past 2 years. Do you honestly think that anything we plan for this season will continue and be seen as THE main awards and end of season do? I think the whole thing stinks. HTSA has been painted into a corner and basically been told take it or leave it. I do hope that it's not being suggested I meekly rolled over and let Sean, or anyone, tickle my tummy  I have worked with Sean to try and find an amicable solution to this unfortunate situation for this year. We all now have 12mths to work together to try and find something that is mutually agreeable to all. However, this season (due to circumstance and the desired plan being unviable) that will not happen. The club WILL hold the Annual Awards Ceremony at £50+vat on the evening of Saturday 25th April. The Edith Hargreaves Award WILL NOT be sponsored, and it is up to the family to decide where that particular award is announced. HTSA/DATM can arrange an awards night aimed at those wanting to pay a small ticket price and have a good evening. Those that want a black tie event will attend the 'corporate' do. It is not as if the Supporters Club ever made a fortune out of hosting the Annual Awards night, and I very much doubt that HTFC will make any significant amount even at the far higher prices. Don't forget that all the catering & drinking profits will go to KSDL (not Town) and HTFC will be paying a fee to hire the room from KSDL. When it all boils down this is becoming a mountain out of a molehill (except for the Hargreaves family not being informed, which has now been rectified and acknowledged) and over the next few months there are FAR bigger topics to discuss regarding Town than an annual dance. The more this kind of perceived pettiness continues the more likely it is that Dean Hoyle will withdraw all favours to the supporters groups....and a lot of hard work by many from the club and the fanbase will have gone to waste.  |
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Post by shelbourne on Feb 20, 2009 23:26:30 GMT 1
will you be attending this do on the 25th in a black tie
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Post by mids on Feb 20, 2009 23:28:36 GMT 1
will you be attending this do on the 25th in a black tie Me? If so, no I won't be attending. |
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Feb 21, 2009 0:07:15 GMT 1
That's as maybe Lee but the whole point is the club had no right to hijack our event. By turning it into a corporate black tie event then it's patently obvious they don't want ordinary supporters at their fancy do. Well it's our football club not theirs. Where would they be without us? Get a grip pal - whenever something doesn't go your way you are the first to moan, Marcus and Sean have had the meeting and agreed a way forward - whether you like it or not!!! It's petty & childish to suggest or try to arrange the HTSA/DATM event on the same date as the Club event. Stop spitting your dummy out and if you feel this strongly about things maybe you should start going to some of these meetings with Sean and take some of the workload where meetings are concerned off Marcus. And to suggest 'Tummy have been tickled' is absolutly obsurd - we all know the character of Marcus from the work he has done of previous projects and we all no he doesn't accept bulls**t answers. On that note I think you need to be apologising to Marcus for that comment as it's completely out of order!!!! Where Sean is concerned you comment about him getting his hands on this for the last 2 years - can I point out that Sean is employed by Huddersfield Town Football Club - Not the Polski Hippi Vendeta campaign - therefore I would expect him to act in the best interests of the club and maximise revenue where possible as part of the project that is currently underway to make the club self sufficient - Just remember Huddersfield Town is a football club - football clubs have to be run like business because thats what they are. Anyone who doesnt treat a football club accordingly end up in administration. If you don't like or agree with things I have put in the post TOUGH!! I'm sick of reading your moaning posts  |
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Post by Polish Hippy on Feb 21, 2009 0:17:07 GMT 1
Well don't read them if you don't like them andyfcuk85
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Post by andyhudd on Feb 21, 2009 0:25:33 GMT 1
That's as maybe Lee but the whole point is the club had no right to hijack our event. By turning it into a corporate black tie event then it's patently obvious they don't want ordinary supporters at their fancy do. Well it's our football club not theirs. Where would they be without us? Get a grip pal - whenever something doesn't go your way you are the first to moan, Marcus and Sean have had the meeting and agreed a way forward - whether you like it or not!!! It's petty & childish to suggest or try to arrange the HTSA/DATM event on the same date as the Club event. Stop spitting your dummy out and if you feel this strongly about things maybe you should start going to some of these meetings with Sean and take some of the workload where meetings are concerned off Marcus. And to suggest 'Tummy have been tickled' is absolutly obsurd - we all know the character of Marcus from the work he has done of previous projects and we all no he doesn't accept bulls**t answers. On that note I think you need to be apologising to Marcus for that comment as it's completely out of order!!!! Where Sean is concerned you comment about him getting his hands on this for the last 2 years - can I point out that Sean is employed by Huddersfield Town Football Club - Not the Polski Hippi Vendeta campaign - therefore I would expect him to act in the best interests of the club and maximise revenue where possible as part of the project that is currently underway to make the club self sufficient - Just remember Huddersfield Town is a football club - football clubs have to be run like business because thats what they are. Anyone who doesnt treat a football club accordingly end up in administration. If you don't like or agree with things I have put in the post TOUGH!! I'm sick of reading your moaning posts Nonsense! I think that Polish is justified - at the end of the day, the POTS Awards Night belonged to the supporters ... and has been hijacked by the club. That in itself is not on. Then, the fans who'd normally attend the event are being forced out - with ticket prices of £57.50 a head! The club have not only hijacked and commercialised the event but ruled out the attendance of many of those who would normally have attended! I can understand the compromise offered, but all of the above are still valid concerns and so too, in my opinion, are Stan's points. |
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Post by stevvy on Feb 21, 2009 0:31:22 GMT 1
the club may as well just advertise it as a company version of the awards (ie only for companies) because i dont think any normal fan is realistically going to fork out the best part of £60 just to get into a POTY do for a few hours,have some poor food (by all accounts the food at the galpharm isnt that good) and be unable to talk to fellow town fans of all ages because of most seats more likely to be taken by companies sponsoring the award or wanting a night out to reward their workers
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Feb 21, 2009 0:34:59 GMT 1
Get a grip pal - whenever something doesn't go your way you are the first to moan, Marcus and Sean have had the meeting and agreed a way forward - whether you like it or not!!! It's petty & childish to suggest or try to arrange the HTSA/DATM event on the same date as the Club event. Stop spitting your dummy out and if you feel this strongly about things maybe you should start going to some of these meetings with Sean and take some of the workload where meetings are concerned off Marcus. And to suggest 'Tummy have been tickled' is absolutly obsurd - we all know the character of Marcus from the work he has done of previous projects and we all no he doesn't accept bulls**t answers. On that note I think you need to be apologising to Marcus for that comment as it's completely out of order!!!! Where Sean is concerned you comment about him getting his hands on this for the last 2 years - can I point out that Sean is employed by Huddersfield Town Football Club - Not the Polski Hippi Vendeta campaign - therefore I would expect him to act in the best interests of the club and maximise revenue where possible as part of the project that is currently underway to make the club self sufficient - Just remember Huddersfield Town is a football club - football clubs have to be run like business because thats what they are. Anyone who doesnt treat a football club accordingly end up in administration. If you don't like or agree with things I have put in the post TOUGH!! I'm sick of reading your moaning posts Nonsense! I think that Polish is justified - at the end of the day, the POTS Awards Night belonged to the supporters ... and has been hijacked by the club. That in itself is not on. Then, the fans who'd normally attend the event are being forced out - with ticket prices of £57.50 a head! The club have not only hijacked and commercialised the event but ruled out the attendance of many of those who would normally have attended! I can understand the compromise offered, but all of the above are still valid concerns and so too, in my opinion, are Stan's points. Ok your right (easiest way) accept the fact nothing is going to change until next time around |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Feb 21, 2009 0:40:50 GMT 1
the club may as well just advertise it as a company version of the awards (ie only for companies) because i dont think any normal fan is realistically going to fork out the best part of £60 just to get into a POTY do for a few hours,have some poor food (by all accounts the food at the galpharm isnt that good) and be unable to talk to fellow town fans of all ages because of most seats more likely to be taken by companies sponsoring the award or wanting a night out to reward their workers the food at the glapharm and at most places who run these type of things is shit! get the datm/htsa do on and get the HOG ROAST on the go! |
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Post by andyhudd on Feb 21, 2009 0:41:32 GMT 1
You needn't cave in! ... I'm happy to discuss it. It would seem that their minds are made up, a shame in my opinion. |
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Post by Polish Hippy on Feb 21, 2009 0:42:26 GMT 1
the club may as well just advertise it as a company version of the awards (ie only for companies) because i dont think any normal fan is realistically going to fork out the best part of £60 just to get into a POTY do for a few hours,have some poor food (by all accounts the food at the galpharm isnt that good) and be unable to talk to fellow town fans of all ages because of most seats more likely to be taken by companies sponsoring the award or wanting a night out to reward their workers It's not just that stevvy, I can afford £60, i'm not that hard up but I want value for money for that £60. As you say the food at the stadium isn't that cracky and not worth paying out for and on top of that for most ordinary supporters if they were prepared to fork out £60 then it would mean hiring a monkey suit which is yet another expense on top of the cost of the event. The whole way the club have gone about this event is plain wrong. They have decided they are going to do it come hell or high water, then they aim it at an elite section of the supporter fanbase and on top of that they then ask for corporate sponsorship for some awards that they don't even have ownership of. I'm afraid the whole "compromise" issue to me is just giving in to the gentrification of football and sadly our club is sticking two fingers up to its loyal fanbase by hijacking the fans POY do and turning it into a corporate hob nobbing black tie do. |
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Feb 21, 2009 0:46:50 GMT 1
the club may as well just advertise it as a company version of the awards (ie only for companies) because i dont think any normal fan is realistically going to fork out the best part of £60 just to get into a POTY do for a few hours,have some poor food (by all accounts the food at the galpharm isnt that good) and be unable to talk to fellow town fans of all ages because of most seats more likely to be taken by companies sponsoring the award or wanting a night out to reward their workers Value for Money  thats the funniest thing you have out on here today. Lets see about value for money - lets have a look at the bigger picture here. Season ticket £100 POTY Do £60 Total £160 can someone confirm just how much they paid the season before for a season ticket I would just like to tot up the differnece in combined total and see if the value for money is better this year It's not just that stevvy, I can afford £60, i'm not that hard up but I want value for money for that £60. As you say the food at the stadium isn't that cracky and not worth paying out for and on top of that for most ordinary supporters if they were prepared to fork out £60 then it would mean hiring a monkey suit which is yet another expense on top of the cost of the event. The whole way the club have gone about this event is plain wrong. They have decided they are going to do it come hell or high water, then they aim it at an elite section of the supporter fanbase and on top of that they then ask for corporate sponsorship for some awards that they don't even have ownership of. I'm afraid the whole "compromise" issue to me is just giving in to the gentrification of football and sadly our club is sticking two fingers up to its loyal fanbase by hijacking the fans POY do and turning it into a corporate hob nobbing black tie do. |
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Post by andyhudd on Feb 21, 2009 0:50:40 GMT 1
That's not the point. Just because season tickets are cheap, it doesn't mean the club should price the ordinary fan out of an event they've hijacked from the supporters anyway!
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Post by stevvy on Feb 21, 2009 0:56:43 GMT 1
have to agree with andy-cheap ST prices or not,had they been full price the cost would still likely have been the same for the night..........value for money?i dont think £60 (or near enough) is value for money for a few hours at a POTY do with awards sponsored by companies with hardly any fellow town fans to talk to,as it'll basically be full of people from various companies more than likely spending the night talking about their businesses to each other,leaving the ordinary town fan sat wondering why they forked out so much money,on top of that you've got the alcohol to fork out for,suit etc,the food isnt anything special at all down at the galpharm,and really isnt worth the £50+ theyre asking for-most town fans would be happy with a basic awards do somewhere decent,fiver in,pie and peas supper,and however much they choose to spend on booze,with no specific dress code
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Post by mids on Feb 21, 2009 0:59:03 GMT 1
That's not the point. Just because season tickets are cheap, it doesn't mean the club should price the ordinary fan out of an event they've hijacked from the supporters anyway! In hindsight it 'appears' that the club have done that....but I can assure you that wasn't the intention initially. If the club (and HTSA) had arranged the proposed event, on the pitch under a marquee, for about £25-£30 would people have complained then? Unfortunately, it wasn't to be.....and the club have chosen to do what they have....as is their prerogative. We (the fans) can either pay to go (which would seem unlikely for many) and make it a success.....or we can set up something at a lower cost and make that a success. It looks (on the surface of it) that the event has been hijacked....but I can assure you (as someone who has been part of the process for months) that is nonsense. |
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Feb 21, 2009 0:59:49 GMT 1
On this topic I give up :x
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Post by andyhudd on Feb 21, 2009 1:06:17 GMT 1
That's not the point. Just because season tickets are cheap, it doesn't mean the club should price the ordinary fan out of an event they've hijacked from the supporters anyway! In hindsight it 'appears' that the club have done that....but I can assure you that wasn't the intention initially. If the club (and HTSA) had arranged the proposed event, on the pitch under a marquee, for about £25-£30 would people have complained then? Unfortunately, it wasn't to be.....and the club have chosen to do what they have....as is their prerogative. We (the fans) can either pay to go (which would seem unlikely for many) and make it a success.....or we can set up something at a lower cost and make that a success. It looks (on the surface of it) that the event has been hijacked....but I can assure you (as someone who has been part of the process for months) that is nonsense. Well, a "transaction" has seemingly occured without reasonable communication ... and suddenly the club are profiting and pricing out the normal fans, in my eyes. Taken without the knowledge or consent of the fans that the awards event really belongs to. |
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Feb 21, 2009 1:18:29 GMT 1
In hindsight it 'appears' that the club have done that....but I can assure you that wasn't the intention initially. If the club (and HTSA) had arranged the proposed event, on the pitch under a marquee, for about £25-£30 would people have complained then? Unfortunately, it wasn't to be.....and the club have chosen to do what they have....as is their prerogative. We (the fans) can either pay to go (which would seem unlikely for many) and make it a success.....or we can set up something at a lower cost and make that a success. It looks (on the surface of it) that the event has been hijacked....but I can assure you (as someone who has been part of the process for months) that is nonsense. Well, a "transaction" has seemingly occured without reasonable communication ... and suddenly the club are profiting and pricing out the normal fans, in my eyes. Taken without the knowledge or consent of the fans that the awards event really belongs to. Hold on 1 minute - hasnt Sean acknowleged the situation regards the award a put it in the hands of the family Surely you are not going to persue something which the club has taken steps to rectify??? |
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Post by andyhudd on Feb 21, 2009 1:23:16 GMT 1
I'm talking about the event, not the lone award.
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Feb 21, 2009 1:24:32 GMT 1
my apologies my eyes are startign to decive me Bed time...........
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Post by andyhudd on Feb 21, 2009 1:29:18 GMT 1
'Night! |
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Feb 21, 2009 2:05:11 GMT 1
I think we have to meet the club half way on this.
They've given us a hell of a lot this season, what with the ticket prices, the South Stand, listening to us on all the catering matters and doing the best to improve.
As supporters we can't have it all our own way, or the club will be less co-operative in future.
They've offered to fully support a DATM/HTSA awards and ask the players and staff to attend, to me, that seems a pretty good middle ground.
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Post by Polish Hippy on Feb 21, 2009 7:39:39 GMT 1
I think we have to meet the club half way on this. They've given us a hell of a lot this season, what with the ticket prices, the South Stand, listening to us on all the catering matters and doing the best to improve. As supporters we can't have it all our own way, or the club will be less co-operative in future. They've offered to fully support a DATM/HTSA awards and ask the players and staff to attend, to me, that seems a pretty good middle ground. Tom, where is the meeting half way on this issue? HTSA were in discussion with the club regarding a POY and awards do, no agreement had been reached. Without informing us the club went public and announced their event. Let me quote you from the website:- "The Annual Award Ceremony is the most prestigious event in the Club's corporate calendar giving both sponsors and supporters the opportunity to recognise the players' achievements over the past season. The black tie event will be held in the main banqueting suite at the stadium where guests will enjoy a three course meal before the ceremony begins. " I reiterate, the POY do was and never has been part of the club's corporate calendar. They have planned a black tie event priced at £50+ VAT - £57.50. The very nature of this automatically excludes the majority of supporters who cannot afford £50+VAT and probably don't possess a monkey suit even if they could afford to go and were prepared to fork out this ridiculous amount of money. By aiming this event at the corporate market the club are in effect sticking two fingers up to the grass roots supporter who provides the club with the biggest chunk of their income via ticket sales and merchandising. They are saying their corpoarte backers are more important than us! They still have on the website that the Hargreaves Memorial Trophy will be presented on the night even though the family still have not agreed to this although they have now added that the award is not now available for sponsorship. Furthermore the Young Player and The Academy POY awards have been in the past awarded by the Patrons Association. Once again the club have not discussed this with the Patrons - they've just gone ahead with their own thing. I'm afraid their offer to support a HTSA/DATM do is just a fig leaf to try and cover up what is one almighty snub to the vast majority of the fanbase who are being priced out and excluded from what the club deems to be the main event. The club have effectively got what they wanted - full control of the end of season event and anyone who thinks the club will do something different next year is just kidding themselves. |
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I think you are vindicated in how angry and concerned you feel over this sorry affair Polski. Its not very clever on behalf ot the club imo. Hope soemthing happens to meet with your approval.
thats the funniest thing you have out on here today.