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Post by Saxman on Dec 12, 2007 22:59:14 GMT 1
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 13, 2007 0:23:28 GMT 1
The thing is, say a German side came over to England with a Nazi sign on their shirt they'd be outrage right? The Nazi sign in our culture is generally perceived as evil and the Templar red cross could be perceived in a similar veil in certain Islamic regions/people.
The big difference is the timeframe.
Overall you'd say he's kicking up a big fuss over a symbol, but symbology plays a MASSIVE part in the world, more than you'd think!
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Post by bbb on Dec 13, 2007 0:29:49 GMT 1
Those Ottoman Turks were angels dont you know!!
The legacy of thier occupation in the slav regions was still being fought out as recent as 14 years ago in Bosnia. Not to mention what they did to the Greeks.
The red cross is now being labelled "An offensive symbol" when exactly was he planning to take Enlgand to court for its use on our national flag? He'll be wanting to ban all English men named Richard from entering Turkey soon.
First Teddy Bears, now Football shirts. For crying out loud, WHAT NEXT???
Absolutely bloody ridiculous.
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Post by Polish Hippy on Dec 13, 2007 0:30:10 GMT 1
I think it's all part of the litigation culture that is spreading around the world. he's just a chancer trying it on.
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Post by bbb on Dec 13, 2007 0:34:28 GMT 1
I think it's all part of the litigation culture that is spreading around the world. he's just a chancer trying it on. He's a Twat!!  |
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Post by Richard1986 on Dec 13, 2007 0:51:54 GMT 1
that strip rox why does our club never come up with anything like that  |
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Post by Crosby on Dec 13, 2007 1:22:01 GMT 1
that strip rox why does our club never come up with anything like that Coz we wear blue & we would look like Finns lying down. ;D Sorry for the silly answer - but it is no sillier than the Turkish bloke. |
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Post by hughphamism on Dec 13, 2007 1:45:23 GMT 1
Like you say saxman - no-one's kicked up a fuss about the England kit when we've played Turkey, in Turkey. Clearly a self publicist. Anyway they're not called Inter Milan. I'm sure Everton don't like being called Everton Liverpool or how about Grimsby Cleethorpes.  |
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Post by Saxman on Dec 13, 2007 2:46:48 GMT 1
Like you say saxman - no-one's kicked up a fuss about the England kit when we've played Turkey, in Turkey. Clearly a self publicist. Anyway they're not called Inter Milan. I'm sure Everton don't like being called Everton Liverpool or how about Grimsby Cleethorpes. Or to some, perhaps less educated in geography, *shivers* Huddersfield Leeds... Makes you sick thinking about it really! Maybe we should come up with a nice new symbolic strip for march, which just happens to resemble splashes of blue paint |
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Post by gruberhtafc on Dec 13, 2007 8:30:57 GMT 1
Its like when the film 300 came out and there was the uproar about the persian been portrayed as monsters. That just died a death. Same will proabaly happen after this (great film I liked the south park version as well ) |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 13, 2007 9:23:51 GMT 1
300 is about as historically accurate as Braveheart. You should have to get a licence to make a historical film. To make sure you stick closely to true events.
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Post by bbb on Dec 13, 2007 10:18:23 GMT 1
300 is about as historically accurate as Braveheart. You should have to get a licence to make a historical film. To make sure you stick closely to true events. All the WW2 RAF films would be fecked then seeing as 60% of the RAF were Poles. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 10:20:58 GMT 1
The thing is, say a German side came over to England with a Nazi sign on their shirt they'd be outrage right? The Nazi sign in our culture is generally perceived as evil and the Templar red cross could be perceived in a similar veil in certain Islamic regions/people. The big difference is the timeframe. Overall you'd say he's kicking up a big fuss over a symbol, but symbology plays a MASSIVE part in the world, more than you'd think! Absolutely correct mate! AceT |
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Post by Polish Hippy on Dec 13, 2007 10:25:40 GMT 1
300 is about as historically accurate as Braveheart. You should have to get a licence to make a historical film. To make sure you stick closely to true events. I'd also say the same about books as well. The distortions made to the Golden Compass and if what I have read about the plot lines for the sequels is true, there are so many changes being made to pander to the religious nutters in the US and the Catholic church, it will be nothing like the books. If we want to take the flip side of this case, I suppose christian countries that suffered at the hands of muslim invaders in the past could take offence at the crescent and star on Turkey's flag. That would make an interesting court case ;D |
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Post by SN0W on Dec 13, 2007 11:08:36 GMT 1
... so Christianity is racist now... along with anything English... in fact anything that is not Muslim or acceptable in the Koran should be banned... no sorry 'should be destroyed by fire' so as not to offend..... (that sounds fair enough in our multi-cultural democratic society.)
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Post by yorkterrier on Dec 13, 2007 11:19:06 GMT 1
The thing is, say a German side came over to England with a Nazi sign on their shirt they'd be outrage right? The Nazi sign in our culture is generally perceived as evil and the Templar red cross could be perceived in a similar veil in certain Islamic regions/people. The big difference is the timeframe. Overall you'd say he's kicking up a big fuss over a symbol, but symbology plays a MASSIVE part in the world, more than you'd think! Hardly the same though is it! One thing occured in very very recent history, the other a long long time ago. The 'red cross' conjours up all sorts of things, from worldwide aid to the city of 'Milan'. The facts is that the Koran deplores any non believer and to 'make war' against them, or how about 'chop off their heads'. They are trouble and I do hope that when their time comes, I do not find myself standing next to you! |
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Post by bbb on Dec 13, 2007 11:19:57 GMT 1
Is it true that the Quran teaches, those of the muslim faith are required to abbrogate the infidel and/or kill the infidel (my understanding is an infidel is a non muslim)
Serious Question.
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Post by Fullisheight on Dec 13, 2007 11:20:55 GMT 1
During the Euro 2000 tournament some of the Muslim lads in Dewsbury had the cross of St George proudly displayed in their bedroom windows and cars. Some of the lads asked the elders at the Salfia Mosque in Scout Hill if the could fly the flag at the Mosque/Centre but were advised by Police that this might be seen as antagonistic and not to do it. Speaking as a non Muslim who has been involved in the running of Muslim organisations and worked in a number of roles around diversity and community cohesion at a local and national level it sickens me that political correctness and fear of appearing racist is ruining this country and has led to a rise in extremism on all sides. |
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Post by Fullisheight on Dec 13, 2007 11:22:28 GMT 1
Forogt to say love the kit & went to the San Siro earlier this year (thanks for sorting the tickets Milan Terrier) and have one of the shirts on order, it's a cracker :-)
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 13, 2007 11:28:18 GMT 1
They are trouble and I do hope that when their time comes, I do not find myself standing next to you! LMAO! . As you suggesting a genocide of the Muslim race in this country? And I truly hope I'm no where near you. And FYI I was trying to find a different viewpoint of a possible reason why somebody might find the red cross offensive. And also FYI the swastika stands for something else as well, it wasn't a nazi invention. |
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 13, 2007 11:31:49 GMT 1
Is it true that the Quran teaches, those of the muslim faith are required to abbrogate the infidel and/or kill the infidel (my understanding is an infidel is a non muslim) Serious Question. I'll ask the guy who knows the Quran inside out, when he comes back in the office. I've no idea, but I think it's down to interpretation or more likely mis-interpretation (The Talmud does however say that killing Goyim is like killing wild animals...). |
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Post by Polish Hippy on Dec 13, 2007 11:47:44 GMT 1
Is it true that the Quran teaches, those of the muslim faith are required to abbrogate the infidel and/or kill the infidel (my understanding is an infidel is a non muslim) Serious Question. I'll ask the guy who knows the Quran inside out, when he comes back in the office. I've no idea, but I think it's down to interpretation or more likely mis-interpretation (The Talmud does however say that killing Goyim is like killing wild animals...). Agreed. The bible is interpreted in so many different ways as well. Religion is a load of bollocks anyway. It should all be banned. |
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 13, 2007 11:50:39 GMT 1
I'll ask the guy who knows the Quran inside out, when he comes back in the office. I've no idea, but I think it's down to interpretation or more likely mis-interpretation (The Talmud does however say that killing Goyim is like killing wild animals...). Agreed. The bible is interpreted in so many different ways as well. Religion is a load of bollocks anyway. It should all be banned. Exactly, it's a classic case of divide and conquer. Even within each religion there are different variations. You only have to look at Christianity to see that! |
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Post by yorkterrier on Dec 13, 2007 12:02:17 GMT 1
Genoside? I didnt mention genocide in any way, so just how did you arrive at that?
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 13, 2007 12:15:02 GMT 1
Why isn't this thread been put on a seperate board entitled -Milan shirt? Seems as though we're now apparently having a seperate board for each and every single topic?
Is it because the moderator has something to say on this, so it can stay where anyone will notice it?
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Post by Polish Hippy on Dec 13, 2007 12:24:15 GMT 1
Why isn't this thread been put on a seperate board entitled -Milan shirt? Seems as though we're now apparently having a seperate board for each and every single topic? Is it because the moderator has something to say on this, so it can stay where anyone will notice it? Well, now you come to mention it, I was thinking of moving it to Off Topic. Before I move anything I usually consult MancTerrier as it is his board after all but seeing as he isn't here at the moment and i've been concentrating on other things this morning I let it stay here. Count yourself lucky I haven't started a Poland board ;D |
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Post by busdherd on Dec 13, 2007 12:28:24 GMT 1
I thought there was an off-topic forum for left/right wing banter like this?
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Post by yorkterrier on Dec 13, 2007 12:40:57 GMT 1
I thought there was an off-topic forum for left/right wing banter like this? Some people are part of the problem! I make a comment imlying that one day, someone who counts says enough is enough and AT concludes I am refering to mass genocide. Then you turn it into left wing / right wing politics. Does anyone think we shall have a white christmas? -There cant be any offence there, can there......? |
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Post by Polish Hippy on Dec 13, 2007 12:47:08 GMT 1
I thought there was an off-topic forum for left/right wing banter like this? Off topic is for non-football related topics. Because the thread initially was about the Milan shirt then I left it on here last night, as did BBB. As with a lot of these threads they do tend to wander a bit from the original post especially if it is about contentious issues. |
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 13, 2007 13:16:26 GMT 1
I thought there was an off-topic forum for left/right wing banter like this? Some people are part of the problem! I make a comment imlying that one day, someone who counts says enough is enough and AT concludes I am refering to mass genocide. Then you turn it into left wing / right wing politics. Does anyone think we shall have a white christmas? -There cant be any offence there, can there......? Well you have to be more specific with your language then! This could be interpreted as genocide and as equally it could be interpreted as something else. You left yourself wide open to an interpretation (rightly or wrongly) like that. And that is where religion is a massive problem - interpretation. i just wanted to highlight that! |
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