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Post by townfan on Mar 16, 2012 13:53:10 GMT 1
Not sure why we still haven't found a central midfielder who is adequate both offensively and defensively but there you go. Name me some League One midfielders that do this?Even in Premiership they either hold or attack depending on the formation. On Wednesday Chelsea had Essien holding, whilst Mata bombed on. Lampard was the one that did both but he's ****** class. What most teams need is a central balance and Grayson might just have found the person to give us that. Jones from Rochdale : ![scarf](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/OXlH1cyPkglB6CQ5O9oB.gif) : : ![scarf](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/OXlH1cyPkglB6CQ5O9oB.gif) :
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Post by stokieterrier on Mar 16, 2012 13:55:07 GMT 1
Getting some good reviews from my Stoke fans on Facebook
"He should be on the bench for us every week at the very least! Was easily our best player for valencia away match. Pulis doesn't trust younger players for some reason so he never plays! Good signing for hudders."
"Played at besiktas and valencia and was the best player on the pitch both times."
"good on the ball, physical, strong, pacey. best player ever! had a good game against valencia away"
"Quality player mate."
"have you seen that you've signed Arismendi on loan from us? Thought he'd have gone to a Champ club, so good signing for you"
Not one negative review from them, obviously they haven't seen him as much as Barnsley fans but if he gets picked out as the best player on the pitch against Valencia then lets give him a chance.
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Post by midlander on Mar 16, 2012 13:55:14 GMT 1
What on earth has Higginbothem done wrong ? Maybe, you should ask what he's done to deserve picking - obviously not stepping forward in training. I was encouraged by his debut but think his impact was overegged by many. He promised much but ultimately his decision making and final ball were very poor. Wasn't at Stevenage, but by all accounts did little to impress those that were there. He has been built up as some sort of saviour without actually demonstrating any convincing proof. Arismendi has a good pedigree - POY for Nacional when they won the Uruguayan league title so will clearly be technically proficient and able to stand out at our level. Higginbotham has had half a good season at Falkirk where they've basically tailored their formation to suit him (ie in behind a lone striker).
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Mar 16, 2012 13:56:01 GMT 1
I wouldn't call him am attacking midfielder. In Uruguay he was an uncompromising ball winning midfielder. I'd say that if anything he's a box to box player. Well at the moment our centre midfielders are 'edge of our box to centre circle' players so he sounds an improvement.
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Post by TerrierArmy on Mar 16, 2012 13:56:50 GMT 1
Name me some League One midfielders that do this?Even in Premiership they either hold or attack depending on the formation. On Wednesday Chelsea had Essien holding, whilst Mata bombed on. Lampard was the one that did both but he's ****** class. What most teams need is a central balance and Grayson might just have found the person to give us that. Jones from Rochdale Yeah he was awesome at letting Kay go in the first half! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Jones did ok against us, but I don't get the love in at all. He was awful at their place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 13:57:12 GMT 1
Didn't Higginbotham get about 10 minutes at Stevenage?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 13:57:23 GMT 1
A very balanced view from someone on Twitter! ;D "This Diego guy sounds ****** awful! Play ****** higgy Grayson!!!! Am getting fucked off with our stupid club! " Love the self-banking out, was going well until the end
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Post by midge on Mar 16, 2012 13:59:23 GMT 1
Don't you just love some Town fans!! Questionning the merits of signing a Uraguayan international who has played Europa league this season above some bloke who has played for Falkirk and Rochdale!!!! : ![frusty](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/QFtJAKuRrBz11YszZlSp.gif) : : ![frusty](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/QFtJAKuRrBz11YszZlSp.gif) : : ![rofl3](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/SeSjaW36fM85VTgLJ16q.gif) : : ![rofl3](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/SeSjaW36fM85VTgLJ16q.gif) :
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 14:01:27 GMT 1
Don't you just love some Town fans!! Questionning the merits of signing a Uraguayan international who has played Europa league this season above some bloke who has played for Falkirk and Rochdale!!!! Doing it in Valencia where you have all the time in the world is a bit different from producing it with league one bruisers breathing down your neck Brighton and Barnsley fans don't speak very highly of him and given that is the level we are playing at (not Europa League), I think their views have a bit more merit than Stoke fans
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Post by ItsCalderOutside on Mar 16, 2012 14:02:41 GMT 1
Stoke supporter here (again), with a bit of information on Diego. He's a bit of a strange one really. Technically, there's nothing wrong with him. He seems a decent passer of the ball, a decent tackler and a perfectly adequate athlete. However, when we first saw him at Stoke, he simply didn't have the first clue about how to play in our system. I don't just mean that the games passed him by, I mean that we were playing lower league opposition in the League Cup and he didn't know where he was supposed to stand or who he was supposed to track and he pretty much permanently had two or three of his team-mates shouting at him for all the time that he was on the pitch. Consequently, he's failed to make the grade at Stoke so far, as we play with a very rigid, deep lying central midfield, and he failed to make the grade at Barnsley. I think Brighton supporters said that he was by far the worst footballer they'd ever seen. Apparently he speaks better English than when he first came over (there's plenty of stories in our local newspaper about his inability to speak English getting him in trouble with the police for having rowdy parties - apparently the two things are linked) so he should adapt a bit better this time. If this sounds like a very negative review, there is a bit of a twist to this tale. The other week we played Valencia and sent over our reserves to play the return leg at the Mestalla. We abandoned the rigid 4-4-1-1 and played in a sort of 4-3-3, purely because that was the only formation that the squad lent itself to. It has to be said that he was the best player on the park that night and despite the defeat, we actually outplayed Valencia until he went off. The difference was the system, because he was able to bomb forwards and escape our midfield 'cage' knowing that the two other midfielders would be back to cover for him. In the more fluid system, where shape and positioning weren't quite as important, he looked a very impressive player. Consequently, quite a few of us wanted to see him given a chance in the first team, but our manager insists that he needs another year of lower league football. Hopefully he'll come back with some idea about fitting into a system and we'll be able to use him next season. Best of luck. Sounds like he already knows our midfield system. He'll slot right in.... :suicide:
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Post by Floyds on Mar 16, 2012 14:03:53 GMT 1
Not sure why we still haven't found a central midfielder who is adequate both offensively and defensively but there you go. Name me some League One midfielders that do this? Even in Premiership they either hold or attack depending on the formation. On Wednesday Chelsea had Essien holding, whilst Mata bombed on. Lampard was the one that did both but he's ****** class. What most teams need is a central balance and Grayson might just have found the person to give us that. I think you need to look up the definition of ADEQUATE. Are you not supposed to be a teacher? Worrying if so. Adequate in League One, as in, able to tackle, track his man, pass the ball to the person on the right team most of the time and occasionally get forward to support the front men. Since we are paying absurd wages for this level, surely this is not too much to ask? And yeah, the lad for (bottom club) Rochdale seemed to do a decent enough job. Don't know any names of League One players aside from our own, so can't answer that. But our central midfield has lacked energy, drive, creativity - everything - for months. At least this lad sounds as though he can pass the ball forward and tries to support the front men. Something your mate Gobern singularly failed to do all season.
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Mar 16, 2012 14:07:15 GMT 1
A very balanced view from someone on Twitter! ;D "This Diego guy sounds ****** awful! Play ****** higgy Grayson!!!! Am getting fucked off with our stupid club! " He played ****** higgy at ****** Stevenage and he was ****** shit. www.htafc.com/page/MatchReport/0,,10312~59246,00.html 15 mins? Not much of a fucking chance is it you fucking dickhead ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by TerrierArmy on Mar 16, 2012 14:07:43 GMT 1
I'm do Maths not bleeding English anyway Floyds ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I just didn't like the little dig at Town in your post .
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Post by TerrierArmy on Mar 16, 2012 14:09:53 GMT 1
He played ****** higgy at ****** Stevenage and he was ****** shit. www.htafc.com/page/MatchReport/0,,10312~59246,00.html 15 mins? Not much of a ****** chance is it you ****** dickhead ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Alan Lee is supposed to be ****** rubbish yet he either scores a winner or gives plenty of ****** entertainment with pathetic diving in 25-30 minutes ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) (yes it was only 15 minutes, but he looked WAY out of his depth. Sorry. I'm not ruling him out as he came the wrong time really, but I'm not sure where is he going to fit in)
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 16, 2012 14:10:19 GMT 1
1 goal doesn't sound promising. Against the scum tho so maybe worth a shout.
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Post by mysticaldescent on Mar 16, 2012 14:10:27 GMT 1
I wouldn't call him am attacking midfielder. In Uruguay he was an uncompromising ball winning midfielder. I'd say that if anything he's a box to box player. Well at the moment our centre midfielders are 'edge of our box to centre circle' players so he sounds an improvement. Sounds like the perfect preparation for a career with Stoke then. ;D
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Post by aca00js on Mar 16, 2012 14:10:47 GMT 1
Higgs is a second striker not a attacking midfielder. They are two different positions
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Post by hebdenblue on Mar 16, 2012 14:11:25 GMT 1
sounds decent, never heard of him before though so not getting too excited about it. just because hes had a bad spell at barnsley doesnt put m off though, loads of players are terrible at one club but then amazing at another so hopefully he will fit in here. Jutciewich or whatever his name was?!!
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Post by Floyds on Mar 16, 2012 14:14:30 GMT 1
I'm do Maths not bleeding English anyway Floyds ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I just didn't like the little dig at Town in your post . It wasnt a dig at Town. We haven't got a decent central midfielder in our squad. That's unfortunately the way it is. This new lad may be decent (who knows) but it doesn't seem as though he could play in a 4 4 2. Why are all midfielders either "attacking" or "defensive"? Why can they not just be central midfielders who can do a bit of everything ADEQUATELY? Heyho. I'll give you a quick Maths test when I see you next, see if it's any better than your English :iconlol:
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Post by CaptainHart on Mar 16, 2012 14:15:03 GMT 1
In Uruguay he was an uncompromising ball winning midfielder. Just the job.
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Post by midge on Mar 16, 2012 14:16:09 GMT 1
Don't you just love some Town fans!! Questionning the merits of signing a Uraguayan international who has played Europa league this season above some bloke who has played for Falkirk and Rochdale!!!! Doing it in Valencia where you have all the time in the world is a bit different from producing it with league one bruisers breathing down your neckBrighton and Barnsley fans don't speak very highly of him and given that is the level we are playing at (not Europa League), I think their views have a bit more merit than Stoke fans Perhaps we should stick to Kay and Joey then!!! OR some other 'lower league ' players ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) For whatever reason, whether he doesn't fancy Higgs or what he isn't playing him but obviously thinks that this bloke can do a job so can't blame him for trying!! Whether they were playing valencia, Wigan or Barcelona, I can't imagine Stoke were playing 'total football' so I'm not sure what your point is there!! ....and what do Barnsley fans know about footy anyway!!!!
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Post by TerrierArmy on Mar 16, 2012 14:17:55 GMT 1
I'm do Maths not bleeding English anyway Floyds ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I just didn't like the little dig at Town in your post . It wasnt a dig at Town. We haven't got a decent central midfielder in our squad. That's unfortunately the way it is. This new lad may be decent (who knows) but it doesn't seem as though he could play in a 4 4 2. Why are all midfielders either "attacking" or "defensive"? Why can they not just be central midfielders who can do a bit of everything ADEQUATELY? Heyho. I'll give you a quick Maths test when I see you next, see if it's any better than your English I'd love a quality central midfielder, but I gave up hope years ago on that. Sometimes we have to compromise and expect limited players. The 94/95 midfield was not that good, but balanced (Bullock was not the same Bullock we had in 95/96 where he blossomed), we just need the same here. Yeah you maths test me, as long it is not on circle theorems I should be ok!
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Post by ruud1boy on Mar 16, 2012 14:31:51 GMT 1
TerrierArmy - is that you Kev?
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Post by runner76 on Mar 16, 2012 14:32:56 GMT 1
well, SG's first signing....let's see if his signing / decent player ratio gets off to a good start.......
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Post by skiptonterrier on Mar 16, 2012 14:42:33 GMT 1
If he is a ball winning tough tackler then great, if he can bomb forward brilliant. Infact as long as he just something bloody different and can impose himself on the game and close opposition down then its different to what we have!
Cant see Tony Pulis signing a fairy for stoke can you? lol
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Post by OOW2BA on Mar 16, 2012 14:47:36 GMT 1
A very balanced view from someone on Twitter! ;D "This Diego guy sounds ****** awful! Play ****** higgy Grayson!!!! Am getting fucked off with our stupid club! " Don't you just love the British Education System........
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Post by dreamboy3000 on Mar 16, 2012 14:51:14 GMT 1
Dreamboy should be along shortly. ;D It seems a strange signing, but then what do I know ;D He's a defensive midfielder who plays in front of the back four or slightly more forward centrally. I wasn't particularly impressed with him, but in league one he might do better. Grayson must have seen something from his 30 odd games with us under Mark Bobins. You'll have to see how fit he is because of his lack of games he's joining a side expecting promotion. I didn't rate him, but a different club with different managerial ways it might work out differently with you. Who's your defensive midfielders at the moment? Is he being brought in for competition or because the person/s currently in that position aren't playing well?
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Post by CaptainHart on Mar 16, 2012 14:52:51 GMT 1
A very balanced view from someone on Twitter! ;D "This Diego guy sounds ****** awful! Play ****** higgy Grayson!!!! Am getting fucked off with our stupid club! " Don't you just love the British Education System........ What's it got to do with our education system?
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Post by pieeater on Mar 16, 2012 14:53:06 GMT 1
Every time I've seen the Uruguayans play in a World Cup they've been a right bunch of hard cases. So maybe he'll be what we need ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by OOW2BA on Mar 16, 2012 14:55:13 GMT 1
Don't you just love the British Education System........ What's it got to do with our education system? Really....you need to ask..!
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