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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 16, 2012 14:59:16 GMT 1
Hope he stays off his aris in the game !!!
never heard of him but cant be worse than what weve got, should imagine he will play then.....
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Post by CaptainHart on Mar 16, 2012 14:59:58 GMT 1
Dreamboy should be along shortly. ;D It seems a strange signing, but then what do I know ;D He's a defensive midfielder who plays in front of the back four or slightly more forward centrally. I wasn't particularly impressed with him, but in league one he might do better. Grayson must have seen something from his 30 odd games with us under Mark Bobins. You'll have to see how fit he is because of his lack of games he's joining a side expecting promotion. I didn't rate him, but a different club with different managerial ways it might work out differently with you. Who's your defensive midfielders at the moment? Is he being brought in for competition or because the person/s currently in that position aren't playing well? Thanks for that. From what you and the Stokies are saying it sounds like "Diego Arismendi" is a generic title for a cooperative of players (a bit like the "Luther Blissett" who wrote Q). Because everyone's described a different player. He's brought in to play because we're poor in central midfield.
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Post by AndySk on Mar 16, 2012 15:01:37 GMT 1
Dreamboy should be along shortly. Is he being brought in for competition or because the person/s currently in that position aren't playing well? We dream of them just not playing well. They are absolutely terrible. Probably have the most CM's on the books in this divsion and also the worst
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Post by deadleg on Mar 16, 2012 15:03:35 GMT 1
Didn't Higginbotham get about 10 minutes at Stevenage? Yeah, and after a few games of being inexplicably left out (not even in the squad at one stage) which won't have done him much good. This guy at least sounds far more inspiring than our usual type of signing although it's a bit worrying that no-one seems to agree on what type of player he actually is.. We've already got more than our share of nondescript midfielders! Still, if he was good enough to get a couple of games for Uruguay at one stage and convince Stoke to pay £2.6m potentially rising to £4.8m (god bless Wikipedia) then in theory he should be more than good enough for us..
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 16, 2012 15:04:21 GMT 1
I wouldn't call him am attacking midfielder. In Uruguay he was an uncompromising ball winning midfielder. I'd say that if anything he's a box to box player. .....like Robinson, Gobern, Miller and Johnson then?
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Post by terrier1987cas on Mar 16, 2012 15:07:49 GMT 1
People are saying Higgy should be allowed to play the attacking midfielder role. I can see this working if we stick with the 4-5-1 nonsense but we should be playing 4-4-2 every week until the end of the season to try and stay in with a chance of 2nd place. If we play 4-4-2 then it would seem Higgy is too lightweight to play in a midfield 2. He's a bit of a luxury player, someone who just floats behind the front men and does what he wants, and that doesn't seem to fit into how Grayson wants to play.
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Post by terrier1987cas on Mar 16, 2012 15:08:42 GMT 1
A fair few people on here are definitely getting their information from Football Manager! Listen to what the actual fans say and we'll have a much better idea of what to expect.
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Post by midlander on Mar 16, 2012 15:11:29 GMT 1
If he is a ball winning tough tackler then great, if he can bomb forward brilliant. Infact as long as he just something bloody different and can impose himself on the game and close opposition down then its different to what we have! Cant see Tony Pulis signing a fairy for stoke can you? lol Signed him at the same time as Tuncay from 'Boro so Pulis doesn't always sign 6ft6 giants who should have been fighting Jason and the Argonauts. Pretty sure it was his intention to try and evolve the playing side that summer having survived relegation. Tuncay never worked out, because as an out and out luxury player, he never really fitted in to the more rigid system that Stoke play and need players to fit into. Sounds a similar scenario with Arismendi in so far as he doesn't fit into Pulis' system. Don't think we'll be using him in the anchor role that Dreamboy saw him in at Barnsley and according to Stokies, he's a talented ball player - getting him higher up the pitch should help him to have more of a productive impact and hopefully he can be the man who gets us passing the ball in the final 15 minutes instead of launching and preparing to defend the return.
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Post by CaptainHart on Mar 16, 2012 15:16:19 GMT 1
What's it got to do with our education system? Really....you need to ask..! Yes, that's why I did.
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Post by dreamboy3000 on Mar 16, 2012 15:17:59 GMT 1
;D It seems a strange signing, but then what do I know ;D He's a defensive midfielder who plays in front of the back four or slightly more forward centrally. I wasn't particularly impressed with him, but in league one he might do better. Grayson must have seen something from his 30 odd games with us under Mark Bobins. You'll have to see how fit he is because of his lack of games he's joining a side expecting promotion. I didn't rate him, but a different club with different managerial ways it might work out differently with you. Who's your defensive midfielders at the moment? Is he being brought in for competition or because the person/s currently in that position aren't playing well? Thanks for that. From what you and the Stokies are saying it sounds like "Diego Arismendi" is a generic title for a cooperative of players (a bit like the "Luther Blissett" who wrote Q). Because everyone's described a different player. He's brought in to play because we're poor in central midfield. Make sure you play him with a creative/attacking central midfielder beside him. Mark Bobins regularly played alongside Hugo Colace (Argentinian), so we had two South American defensive central midfielders and it was negative as fook to watch.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2012 15:24:48 GMT 1
I wouldn't call him am attacking midfielder. In Uruguay he was an uncompromising ball winning midfielder. I'd say that if anything he's a box to box player. .....like Robinson, Gobern, Miller and Johnson then? No, nothing like Gobern, Robinson, Johnson or Miller. Hopefully! They are all box to centre circle midfielders.
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Post by midlander on Mar 16, 2012 15:28:11 GMT 1
People are saying Higgy should be allowed to play the attacking midfielder role. I can see this working if we stick with the 4-5-1 nonsense but we should be playing 4-4-2 every week until the end of the season to try and stay in with a chance of 2nd place. If we play 4-4-2 then it would seem Higgy is too lightweight to play in a midfield 2. He's a bit of a luxury player, someone who just floats behind the front men and does what he wants, and that doesn't seem to fit into how Grayson wants to play. However, that 4-5-1 nonsense brought us our best run of away wins ever last year, whilst the 442 we used at home stifled our promotion push and allowed teams to comfortably dominate our midfield two with their extra man, meaning we never really got the ball into our wide players in areas that they could do damage. There is no right and wrong formation - what a team has to be able to do, is adapt during a game. If a rigid 442 is not working, drop one striker back and try to affect a change in the flow of the game and vice versa. Ultimately it's all about getting the best out of the players that can cause the opposition the most damage. For us, in the past three years, our main destructive players have been our wide players. Whenever we play well, it's because we get them into dangerous areas high up the pitch. If they are having to receive the ball 40yds from goal with their back to goal, then whichever formation we are playing that day is not going to yield the performance, so the formation of the team needs to change. I've seen Grayson change formations readily during games already which at least gives me the impression that he has the ability to see problems - whether he has the players he needs to put his systems into place, we won't find out about until next season. Clark always said it's not about systems, it's about players. At the top level, players can see what needs doing on the pitch themselves and can tweak their positioning/role accordingly. Formations aren't the be all and end all; it's the players decision-making which has a far greater effect imho.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 16, 2012 15:30:14 GMT 1
Name me some League One midfielders that do this?Even in Premiership they either hold or attack depending on the formation. On Wednesday Chelsea had Essien holding, whilst Mata bombed on. Lampard was the one that did both but he's ****** class. What most teams need is a central balance and Grayson might just have found the person to give us that. Jones from Rochdale Are you sure??!! Pray tell me what he created during that outclassing their midfield supposedly gave us last week?! I rate Jones and he is a decent player who does the simple things well and works unbelievably hard, but lets not make him out to be an iniesta or xavi! If our midfield worked as hard as he does on a regular basis then we would be fine.............its not ability thats the problem, its an amalgam of desire, application, mental toughness and fear that is currently costing us. Hopefully the new man will give us some class higher up the pitch, but if we play with two wingers who dont or wont track back then it will be the same old story i'm afraid - the last promotion team had a midfield balance, this one doesnt! Bullock, Duxbury, Reid and Billy didnt have anywhere near the ability of Joey, DJ, Ward and Roberts (to name 4) individually, but they grafted as a unit and ground out wins as a result.
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Post by terrier1987cas on Mar 16, 2012 15:56:50 GMT 1
People are saying Higgy should be allowed to play the attacking midfielder role. I can see this working if we stick with the 4-5-1 nonsense but we should be playing 4-4-2 every week until the end of the season to try and stay in with a chance of 2nd place. If we play 4-4-2 then it would seem Higgy is too lightweight to play in a midfield 2. He's a bit of a luxury player, someone who just floats behind the front men and does what he wants, and that doesn't seem to fit into how Grayson wants to play. However, that 4-5-1 nonsense brought us our best run of away wins ever last year, whilst the 442 we used at home stifled our promotion push and allowed teams to comfortably dominate our midfield two with their extra man, meaning we never really got the ball into our wide players in areas that they could do damage. There is no right and wrong formation - what a team has to be able to do, is adapt during a game. If a rigid 442 is not working, drop one striker back and try to affect a change in the flow of the game and vice versa. Ultimately it's all about getting the best out of the players that can cause the opposition the most damage. For us, in the past three years, our main destructive players have been our wide players. Whenever we play well, it's because we get them into dangerous areas high up the pitch. If they are having to receive the ball 40yds from goal with their back to goal, then whichever formation we are playing that day is not going to yield the performance, so the formation of the team needs to change. I've seen Grayson change formations readily during games already which at least gives me the impression that he has the ability to see problems - whether he has the players he needs to put his systems into place, we won't find out about until next season. Clark always said it's not about systems, it's about players. At the top level, players can see what needs doing on the pitch themselves and can tweak their positioning/role accordingly. Formations aren't the be all and end all; it's the players decision-making which has a far greater effect imho. Okay, let's recall Afobe and we'll do it again because none of our current forwards can do the job he did. :boxing:
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Post by londonterrier23 on Mar 16, 2012 15:57:24 GMT 1
A very balanced view from someone on Twitter! ;D "This Diego guy sounds ****** awful! Play ****** higgy Grayson!!!! Am getting fucked off with our stupid club! " He played ****** higgy at ****** Stevenage and he was ****** shit. I was there, he came on for Al with about 10 mins to go. PLayed a nice reverse pass to Novak to release him down the left. And took a bad touch in the box from a pass that wrong footed him. Stevenage were in the ascendency and we had no ball whatsoever. Hardly ****** shit!!!
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Post by londonterrier23 on Mar 16, 2012 16:01:14 GMT 1
What on earth has Higginbothem done wrong ? Maybe, you should ask what he's done to deserve picking - obviously not stepping forward in training. I was encouraged by his debut but think his impact was overegged by many. He promised much but ultimately his decision making and final ball were very poor. Wasn't at Stevenage, but by all accounts did little to impress those that were there. He has been built up as some sort of saviour without actually demonstrating any convincing proof. Arismendi has a good pedigree - POY for Nacional when they won the Uruguayan league title so will clearly be technically proficient and able to stand out at our level. Higginbotham has had half a good season at Falkirk where they've basically tailored their formation to suit him (ie in behind a lone striker). His decision making and final ball wasn't poor at all. He made our goal and his crossing was excellent throughout. He was hampered by his options out wide. Cads (right foot on left wing) and Arfield (never been a right midfielder) . Id love to see HIgg given a chance with RObbo wide left and Ward wide right.
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Post by londonterrier23 on Mar 16, 2012 16:02:04 GMT 1
re this new lad. We don't know until we see the boy play. Im off to Col tomorra and hoping we see him play.
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Post by Giggity on Mar 16, 2012 16:05:35 GMT 1
This makes a change. Signing a player that was not God's gift to his former team. We are all aware of the performances of Anthony 'Tranmere's player of the season' Kay for example. During his time at Town, Lukas Jutkiewicz wouldn't have looked out of place on Blackpool Pleasure Beach. He is now plying his trade in a promotion challenging Championship outfit.
Of course (begrudgingly) things might not work out for Arismendi during his loan period. At least signing a player without a sparkling reputation will help limit the high preconceptions of fellow DATMers.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 16, 2012 16:08:29 GMT 1
An attacking midfielder with 2 goals to his name in his whole career Yes, but at least he has 3 names!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 16, 2012 16:11:09 GMT 1
From Wiki: Since moving to England, Arismendi has been branded a 'noise pest' after forcing his neighbour to move due to hosting late night parties.
If he thinks he is going to move in near me and play dance music he has got another thing coming. I will set my ferrets onto him!! Saw Diego Maradona live a couple of times, if he is a 50th as good as him i will be happy.
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Post by popterriertastic on Mar 16, 2012 16:30:31 GMT 1
Just hopes he's the nutter we need to stop the opposition from playing. He's coming from the right club, who only play 'stoppers' so lets hope it's an effective signing
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Post by shawsie on Mar 16, 2012 16:40:45 GMT 1
Maybe, you should ask what he's done to deserve picking - obviously not stepping forward in training. I was encouraged by his debut but think his impact was overegged by many. He promised much but ultimately his decision making and final ball were very poor. Wasn't at Stevenage, but by all accounts did little to impress those that were there. He has been built up as some sort of saviour without actually demonstrating any convincing proof. Arismendi has a good pedigree - POY for Nacional when they won the Uruguayan league title so will clearly be technically proficient and able to stand out at our level. Higginbotham has had half a good season at Falkirk where they've basically tailored their formation to suit him (ie in behind a lone striker). His decision making and final ball wasn't poor at all. He made our goal and his crossing was excellent throughout. He was hampered by his options out wide. Cads (right foot on left wing) and Arfield (never been a right midfielder) . Id love to see HIgg given a chance with RObbo wide left and Ward wide right.Hope we can score 4+ if they all play together!!!
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Post by Richard1986 on Mar 16, 2012 16:50:11 GMT 1
With a name like that he must be good
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Post by DeepSpace on Mar 16, 2012 17:03:06 GMT 1
I love the way the official site classes him as an Emergency Loan as if we've only got one midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 17:06:33 GMT 1
I love the way the official site classes him as an Emergency Loan as if we've only got one midfielder. Anthony Kay has started the last 3 games in midfield, if that doesn't represent an emergency situation I don't know what does
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Post by PaulDaltonFanClub on Mar 16, 2012 17:08:07 GMT 1
Well having had chance to scroll through various opinions and thoughts, think its safe to say that we have a very talented midfielder in our midst and we have done well to get him to come down to this level of football!
Only time will tell if SG can get him playing well and adding something to the midfield......it certainly wont take much!!
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Post by AndySk on Mar 16, 2012 17:09:45 GMT 1
I love the way the official site classes him as an Emergency Loan as if we've only got one midfielder. So i take it it's not classed as an emergency if you have 12 midfielders but none of them know how to play football then
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Post by bigtruck on Mar 16, 2012 17:10:16 GMT 1
Don't you just love some Town fans!! Questionning the merits of signing a Uraguayan international who has played Europa league this season above some bloke who has played for Falkirk and Rochdale!!!! A Uraguayan international who is so good he now plays for a 3rd division side in the same team as the some bloke from falkirk
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Post by midlander on Mar 16, 2012 17:18:57 GMT 1
Maybe, you should ask what he's done to deserve picking - obviously not stepping forward in training. I was encouraged by his debut but think his impact was overegged by many. He promised much but ultimately his decision making and final ball were very poor. Wasn't at Stevenage, but by all accounts did little to impress those that were there. He has been built up as some sort of saviour without actually demonstrating any convincing proof. Arismendi has a good pedigree - POY for Nacional when they won the Uruguayan league title so will clearly be technically proficient and able to stand out at our level. Higginbotham has had half a good season at Falkirk where they've basically tailored their formation to suit him (ie in behind a lone striker). His decision making and final ball wasn't poor at all. He made our goal and his crossing was excellent throughout. He was hampered by his options out wide. Cads (right foot on left wing) and Arfield (never been a right midfielder) . Id love to see HIgg given a chance with RObbo wide left and Ward wide right. I'll agree with you on his crossing; that was good. However, we're advocating him playing centrally where his crossing is going to be irrelevant other than from set pieces (Ward and Roberts are both very good crosses of the ball for the level we are at too) I'm refering to the two or three occasions where his slowness of thought and poor final ball choice cost us the opportunity to have a clear shooting chance. But let's be honest, we are all judging the lad's potential on one full game - subsequently Clark didn't play him and Grayson hasn't seen fit to either - there must be a reason for this. I was encouraged by his performance, but not to the extent that I think he could change our season. I guess we'll only find out if he does enough in training to play himself into contention.
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Post by midlander on Mar 16, 2012 17:24:08 GMT 1
However, that 4-5-1 nonsense brought us our best run of away wins ever last year, whilst the 442 we used at home stifled our promotion push and allowed teams to comfortably dominate our midfield two with their extra man, meaning we never really got the ball into our wide players in areas that they could do damage. There is no right and wrong formation - what a team has to be able to do, is adapt during a game. If a rigid 442 is not working, drop one striker back and try to affect a change in the flow of the game and vice versa. Ultimately it's all about getting the best out of the players that can cause the opposition the most damage. For us, in the past three years, our main destructive players have been our wide players. Whenever we play well, it's because we get them into dangerous areas high up the pitch. If they are having to receive the ball 40yds from goal with their back to goal, then whichever formation we are playing that day is not going to yield the performance, so the formation of the team needs to change. I've seen Grayson change formations readily during games already which at least gives me the impression that he has the ability to see problems - whether he has the players he needs to put his systems into place, we won't find out about until next season. Clark always said it's not about systems, it's about players. At the top level, players can see what needs doing on the pitch themselves and can tweak their positioning/role accordingly. Formations aren't the be all and end all; it's the players decision-making which has a far greater effect imho. Okay, let's recall Afobe and we'll do it again because none of our current forwards can do the job he did. Totally agree with you there on both points - I'd have Afobe back and you're right that we have no other striker who can play that role - but playing one up top with Novak in the hole lead to 6 goals at Wycombe and with Arfield in the hole lead to three goals at Bury. Rhodes bagged 7 in those two games as the lone striker, so rather than it being the formation, maybe it's about the instructions the players play to within that framework and the decisions they make on the field. We can play with a lone striker as long as the two wide men and at least one of the central three support him and get close to him.
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