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Post by seanyd1brit on Apr 10, 2013 2:43:28 GMT 1
I know what he means though, if they actually sent you summat, as a football fan you want, ie summat to do with the football side of the club rather than pointless adverts about shit I wouldn't buy or don't need. To be fair though, you have to trawl through a hell of a lot of shite on here before you get to owt worth reading. Where was it when you found it Mel? Haven't come across it myself yet. |
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Post by seanyd1brit on Apr 10, 2013 2:55:28 GMT 1
Just wanted to quickly answer a couple of commercial points on here Partners generate circa (top of my head stuff at this time of night) - circa 600k plus. V important considering the lack of commercial income from the stadium for the club on things like food and drink. I am keen to get it to 1m and an elite group of 100 partners. Every penny made goes back into the club All of my mates - I wish - I don't have that many! China - 4 businesses going out with us - all investing in the club - new venture - not sure what it will bring but if we don't try we won't know. Opportunity has presented itself this year Sorry if you don't like us promoting what we are doing commercially - it's crucial we generate income for the club. I and the commercial team are trying everything to make a difference to the club. I'd happily come across to Manchester and talk to you face to face about what we are trying to do. Alternatively my door is always open. I'll be honest - I am saddened by some of the comments. I know that football is the most important thing and I hope we get that little bit of luck we deserve. It's going to be a bumpy ride but we need to unify behind the team and CLUB. Sean Sean I think you've just ruined the thread mate, we were all moaning about how the club doesn't communicate  Seriously though fair play to you for responding. Personally I think it's brilliant what you are doing. We've been tinpot for far too long and being a proper upper level club means doing things properly on AND off the pitch. I think most of us understand that. We've run out of ways to moan about the football though! Mind you if you do come across any decent young strikers in China... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 7:36:46 GMT 1
Just wanted to quickly answer a couple of commercial points on here Partners generate circa (top of my head stuff at this time of night) - circa 600k plus. V important considering the lack of commercial income from the stadium for the club on things like food and drink. I am keen to get it to 1m and an elite group of 100 partners. Every penny made goes back into the club All of my mates - I wish - I don't have that many! China - 4 businesses going out with us - all investing in the club - new venture - not sure what it will bring but if we don't try we won't know. Opportunity has presented itself this year Sorry if you don't like us promoting what we are doing commercially - it's crucial we generate income for the club. I and the commercial team are trying everything to make a difference to the club. I'd happily come across to Manchester and talk to you face to face about what we are trying to do. Alternatively my door is always open. I'll be honest - I am saddened by some of the comments. I know that football is the most important thing and I hope we get that little bit of luck we deserve. It's going to be a bumpy ride but we need to unify behind the team and CLUB. Sean Thanks for the reply Sean. You shouldn't have to explain why the club needs commercial partners, honestly some people on here are so thick that they assume the commercial side isn't important. It's just a pity the playing side isn't as prosperous! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 7:40:59 GMT 1
If we were 6th in the league, would anybody be questioning the commercial dealings of the club? Would they buggery!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 7:43:56 GMT 1
Just like to add my experience regarding this topic.
For whatever reason, be it justified or not, as a fan living abroad I too have noticed a big difference this season in regards to a lack communication from the club.
I don't believe it's an unfair or unjust criticism of the way the club is run but instead an observation of a pretty obvious change.
When fans seem to be losing interest you'd have thought it would be beneficial to implement new and innovative ways of communicating and interacting with them.
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Post by rooo on Apr 10, 2013 9:08:01 GMT 1
Just like to add my experience regarding this topic. For whatever reason, be it justified or not, as a fan living abroad I too have noticed a big difference this season in regards to a lack communication from the club. I don't believe it's an unfair or unjust criticism of the way the club is run but instead an observation of a pretty obvious change. When fans seem to be losing interest you'd have thought it would be beneficial to implement new and innovative ways of communicating and interacting with them. Where is the change? Can you give us some examples of interacting you would like to see? Internet - websites? Twitter? Facebook? Newspapers? Radio interviews? Q&As? Meetings? Online Match day programme? Open door policy to the directors? Regular emails of news? All the above done on a regular basis. Ask fans of other clubs how accessible their club is and then compare! You can even go down to Canalside have something to eat and see (and chat to) the players if you want! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 9:15:02 GMT 1
Just like to add my experience regarding this topic. For whatever reason, be it justified or not, as a fan living abroad I too have noticed a big difference this season in regards to a lack communication from the club. I don't believe it's an unfair or unjust criticism of the way the club is run but instead an observation of a pretty obvious change. When fans seem to be losing interest you'd have thought it would be beneficial to implement new and innovative ways of communicating and interacting with them. Where is the change? Can you give us some examples of interacting you would like to see? Internet - websites? Twitter? Facebook? Newspapers? Radio interviews? Q&As? Meetings? Online Match day programme? Open door policy to the directors? Regular emails of news? All the above done on a regular basis. Ask fans of other clubs how accessible their club is and then compare! You can even go down to Canalside have something to eat and see (and chat to) the players if you want! I don't get it either rooo, the ones complaining apparently don't want to actually take the opportunity to interact with the club, but prefer to moan on here instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 9:33:04 GMT 1
Just like to add my experience regarding this topic. For whatever reason, be it justified or not, as a fan living abroad I too have noticed a big difference this season in regards to a lack communication from the club. I don't believe it's an unfair or unjust criticism of the way the club is run but instead an observation of a pretty obvious change. When fans seem to be losing interest you'd have thought it would be beneficial to implement new and innovative ways of communicating and interacting with them. Where is the change? Can you give us some examples of interacting you would like to see? Internet - websites? Twitter? Facebook? Newspapers? Radio interviews? Q&As? Meetings? Online Match day programme? Open door policy to the directors? Regular emails of news? All the above done on a regular basis. Ask fans of other clubs how accessible their club is and then compare! You can even go down to Canalside have something to eat and see (and chat to) the players if you want! The quality of communication has lessened. Emails, twitter, Facebook is more commercially orientated than previously but I can see why. It makes financial sense to do so. But I am focusing an posting on this thread regarding the information available to me. As previously stated, I am based abroad so cannot comment on the Qs and As etc but I can say that this year it feels as though less information is divulged in the communication channels available to me. Other expats have commented on this and to be honest I'd like to know what more of us think. It seems as though a few feel the same way. It was well written last year and in the summer regarding the Rhodes situation whereas this January had very little about Hunt, Rhodes' money. I understand this is a small issue but to me it shows a change. There are hundreds of ways the club could communicate with us expats but being frankly honest I understand it may not be in their best interests. Whilst it has changed since last year, it could be more to do with there not much being positive to communicate but either way it is different. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 10:13:47 GMT 1
I posted this ramble in a different thread but its probably more appropriate in here:--- Not sure what you're on about to be honest. Crucial part of the season and your happy to rip into the team and tell em their all a load of crap. UTT Just to emphasise my point about the club reading the comments on here, take a wander over to the communication thread and read a response from Sean Jarvis.  Sorry, cant see any relevance between fans discussing honest and justifiable concerns about the playing side of things, and the way the club has approached this season off the field, "Jackass" not posting on here any more (not that he posted anything of any real interest), nor SJs continued demonstration of why the communication is poor and decreasing in value from the powers that be within the club. As MANY have stated, we dont want Sean to come knocking on our doors, and we dont want to go and sit in a room with him or Nigel and have an awkward stilted conversation because we're on our best behaviour cos thats what you do when you meet officials from the club you love, what we want is INCLUSIVE communication distributed and made accessible to a wide range of supporters....dont publicise and hold q&a sessions to the limited audience who are able to attend, but then brush the actual content under the carpet as though it never happened...don't provide the bare minimum of content to Town Player because Town collect no revenue from it, make the pre and post match interviews, q&a sessions etc available so that overseas fans get more involved and included. Its all simple stuff, but I sincerely think theyre getting worse at it, I'm not really bothered that Sean is 'saddened' and I'm not interested in taking time out of my day to go down the stadium and knock on his door, I just want to comsume news and output of interest from MY club (not Seans, nor Deans, but MINE) at my leisure...and because its MY club, I want that output to be comprehensive, interesting, insightful, inspiring, inclusive, open, humble and understanding. And I want to comsume that output at my leisure but have it available on tap, and I dont want to have to go to Canalside at a specific time one Thursday every couple of months to hear it. If the 'club' cant accept and understand that, then theyre simply going to gradually disenfranchise those of us who hang on every minutaie of information that comes out of OUR club, and turn us from fanatics into supporters, after which its a small step towards being a mere consumer...and thats not good for a football club. I know I for one have slid down that scale over the last few years as a direct result of the communications and personna the club has presented. I've gone from unquestioning support, where Ive actively promoted the club to mates including non Town fans and bigged up 'The Yorkshire Club' and 'Keep It Up' etc...via a questioning phase where I'd respond to comment from the club or provide thoughts on improvements and issues etc, through to a "ok, I've paid my money and this is the product and I'm simply a consumer" state. The danger with that is that as a simple consumer, its easier to walk away, and having done so, its less likely you'll walk back...the club NEEDS to work harder to ensure fans remain as fanatics, and I don't know if they really accept and understand that, and in fact going on some of the comments I read from Nigel in particular, the opposite seems to be true, which is a massive shame, because as Ive said, its MY club they're messing with. As an aside, for reasons the club cant affect, I was never going to be a season ticket holder next season (having had one ever since we moved grounds, and my 13 year old now in his 10th season as a season ticket holder)...and whilst I couldn't really change that choice, the club has made it a lot easier to go through with the decision than I expected....and that, as someone who has been a 'fanatic' for many years, saddens me somewhat. So, Nigel, Sean, and Dean, don't tell us you're doing all the right things, doing all you can to maintain Championship status, and have made a series of difficult and correct decisions, and are disappointed at supporter rumblings...because YOURE NOT, YOU ARENT, and YOU HAVENT....and, we just want you to do it, so please just DO IT....we're all willing punters waiting to be dragged along, it should be a relatively easy job, you're effectively selling to addicts. |
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Post by Hertfordshire Town Fan on Apr 10, 2013 10:14:31 GMT 1
This debate reminds me of the saying "You don't know what you've got till it's gone"
I can assure you that Dean was ill, well he was 10 days ago. I know that is a fact.
I am one of his biggest fans, great bloke and loves Town more that most people i know.
But, he is an intelligent business man at the end of the day and even with all his money he won't keep chasing the dream, it was a nice fling for him after selling his business and gave him something to spend his time on.
He may have already realised that HTAFC will never be a Prem club mainly due to poor gates even if we were in the prem and fickle fans who start bleating and moaning as soon as we lose a game.
I agree that his and the clubs communication could have been much better this season though.
I hope and pray we stay up but like many have said before, if we go down i'll still be there watching at Yeovil and other crap grounds.
It's what i've done for 35 years and our failure to stay in the championship whilst dissapointing doesn't mean they aren't the club i love and support.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 10, 2013 12:43:15 GMT 1
I think constructive criticism is always acceptable, so long as it's balanced and not incessant, as no forward looking club would want to be accused of complacency. However, we seem to have an unbalanced and ever increasing amount of criticism as this season has gone along. Aside from the managers, the players and the results, the criticism has been aimed at the pitch, the communication, the Chairman, the content of the programme, the parking at Canalside etc etc. Some of this is justified and some of it is frankly ridiculous in my opinion.
I have no doubt that it all stems from the disappointing performances and results on the pitch. The season started amazingly well and then things went downhill to the current situation where there is real anxiety about the prospect of us being relegated after only one season in the Championship.
Dean Hoyle has invested plenty into the playing squad and his managers have let him down badly with some poor decisions. The same could be said for several of the players. The scary fact is that for all our income from attendances, sales of replica shirts etc, programme sales, commercial partners and whatever other income streams our commercial team have worked hard to develop, it doesn't add up to enough to cover the running costs of the club i.e. without Dean we would be in a serious financial mess.
I understand why some supporters are disappointed and disgruntled and how tempting it is to pass criticisms with the benefit of hindsight. I also understand why Sean and his team will be saddened to read some of the criticisms made after all of their efforts and progress. What I don't accept is some of our supporters biting the hand that is feeding us. Some people have short memories and need to give their heads a shake and show a bit more appreciation and gratitude. The huge investment in the playing squad since Dean got involved has shown a disappointing return overall and I am sure that he is more aware of that than anyone else.
I hope we can all unite behind our team in the games that remain and see them earn the results we need. UTT
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Post by Floyds on Apr 10, 2013 13:57:05 GMT 1
Obviously we need "Partners" and for the Commercial side of the business to be well run.
But, for instance, the Nepal High School we're now in Partnership with?
Unless it was all a big joke that I didn't get.
Personally, I'd be keeping quiet on announcements like that, especially given the abymsal form/run we've been on since November, and our likely impending relegation.
Fans ONLY (for the most part) care about what happens on the pitch. The perception, to me at least (and rightly or wrongly), is that with all the decisions that the Board have made over the past few months, they've not been 100% focused on staying in this league.
Relegation, after 11 long years of attempting to get back into this league, will be a travesty.
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Post by benhomly on Apr 10, 2013 14:04:30 GMT 1
He may have already realised that HTAFC will never be a Prem club mainly due to poor gates even if we were in the prem and fickle fans who start bleating and moaning as soon as we lose a game. I don't know why i rise to this one every time but i just can't help myself. Average crowds for some Premiership teams over the last few years - QPR 18000 Wigan 19000 Swansea 20000 Blackpool 16000 Portsmouth 18000 Burnley 20000 Do you seriously think we wouldn't be in and amongst that lot crowd wise if we got there? Of course we would so why the hell will we NEVER be a Prem club? That lot managed it in the last 3 years and so have teams like Swindon, Barnsley and bloody Bradford before that so it's ridiculous to say we will never make it. More likely Deano might think he doesn't want to fund a Premiership side on crowds of that size (and there's no reason why he should if he doesn't want to) but they are far from POOR gates compared to clubs or towns/cities of similar size. We have a population of around 130,000 so on average more than 10% of our Towns population turn out to watch us - we're not going to get 25 - 30,000 every week because people aren't going to suddenly develop an interest in football just because we're in the Premier League. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 15:47:49 GMT 1
Just wanted to quickly answer a couple of commercial points on here Partners generate circa (top of my head stuff at this time of night) - circa 600k plus. V important considering the lack of commercial income from the stadium for the club on things like food and drink. I am keen to get it to 1m and an elite group of 100 partners. Every penny made goes back into the club All of my mates - I wish - I don't have that many! China - 4 businesses going out with us - all investing in the club - new venture - not sure what it will bring but if we don't try we won't know. Opportunity has presented itself this year Sorry if you don't like us promoting what we are doing commercially - it's crucial we generate income for the club. I and the commercial team are trying everything to make a difference to the club. I'd happily come across to Manchester and talk to you face to face about what we are trying to do. Alternatively my door is always open. I'll be honest - I am saddened by some of the comments. I know that football is the most important thing and I hope we get that little bit of luck we deserve. It's going to be a bumpy ride but we need to unify behind the team and CLUB. Sean I have sent you a PM regarding the meeting offer. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 15:52:27 GMT 1
He may have already realised that HTAFC will never be a Prem club mainly due to poor gates even if we were in the prem and fickle fans who start bleating and moaning as soon as we lose a game. I don't know why i rise to this one every time but i just can't help myself. Average crowds for some Premiership teams over the last few years - QPR 18000 Wigan 19000 Swansea 20000 Blackpool 16000 Portsmouth 18000 Burnley 20000 Do you seriously think we wouldn't be in and amongst that lot crowd wise if we got there? Of course we would so why the hell will we NEVER be a Prem club? That lot managed it in the last 3 years and so have teams like Swindon, Barnsley and bloody Bradford before that so it's ridiculous to say we will never make it. More likely Deano might think he doesn't want to fund a Premiership side on crowds of that size (and there's no reason why he should if he doesn't want to) but they are far from POOR gates compared to clubs or towns/cities of similar size. We have a population of around 130,000 so on average more than 10% of our Towns population turn out to watch us - we're not going to get 25 - 30,000 every week because people aren't going to suddenly develop an interest in football just because we're in the Premier League. I don't know how to break this to you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The ground capacity is only 24,500.  |
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Post by Hertfordshire Town Fan on Apr 10, 2013 15:52:50 GMT 1
Just wanted to quickly answer a couple of commercial points on here Partners generate circa (top of my head stuff at this time of night) - circa 600k plus. V important considering the lack of commercial income from the stadium for the club on things like food and drink. I am keen to get it to 1m and an elite group of 100 partners. Every penny made goes back into the club All of my mates - I wish - I don't have that many! China - 4 businesses going out with us - all investing in the club - new venture - not sure what it will bring but if we don't try we won't know. Opportunity has presented itself this year Sorry if you don't like us promoting what we are doing commercially - it's crucial we generate income for the club. I and the commercial team are trying everything to make a difference to the club. I'd happily come across to Manchester and talk to you face to face about what we are trying to do. Alternatively my door is always open. I'll be honest - I am saddened by some of the comments. I know that football is the most important thing and I hope we get that little bit of luck we deserve. It's going to be a bumpy ride but we need to unify behind the team and CLUB. Sean I have sent you a PM regarding the meeting offer. Apologies for that comment mate. I didn't mean we won't get into the prem, just that with our gates and fickle fans we wouldn't stay there long. |
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Post by smj1 on Apr 10, 2013 16:41:00 GMT 1
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Post by gtba7 on Apr 10, 2013 16:52:24 GMT 1
Surely surely it isn't fair to criticise this board and management over communication......? Hoyle does more straight talking then any other chairman around. There's fans forums at canalside on saturdays and there is communication via twitter from the club and I went to fans forum in London so there can't be many clubs that do things like that. Unless I have that all wrong?  ? |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Apr 10, 2013 17:11:26 GMT 1
Robins and his coaches can sort the team out. That's their job.
Sean and his commercial team can sort the partners/sponsors out. This their job.
It's as simple as that really. I do take on board comments about some stuff as it winds me up on Twitter too sometimes, but as already pointed out if there was a separate account then it would have a lot less followers and may reduce the amount of partners (especially smaller ones looking to get new custom out if being associated with Town) we can attract, this having a negative impact on cash flow available to strengthen the team.
While we're talking about it though, what communication would folk want with regards to the footballing side of things? Tactics? Updates on what formation we are thinking of playing? What colour boots Danny Ward has just bought?
I can't really think of anything personally that would be of any benefit apart from team news and game updates, of which there is plenty.
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2013 17:43:02 GMT 1
Robins and his coaches can sort the team out. That's their job. Sean and his commercial team can sort the partners/sponsors out. This their job. It's as simple as that really. I do take on board comments about some stuff as it winds me up on Twitter too sometimes, but as already pointed out if there was a separate account then it would have a lot less followers and may reduce the amount of partners (especially smaller ones looking to get new custom out if being associated with Town) we can attract, this having a negative impact on cash flow available to strengthen the team. While we're talking about it though, what communication would folk want with regards to the footballing side of things? Tactics? Updates on what formation we are thinking of playing? What colour boots Danny Ward has just bought? I can't really think of anything personally that would be of any benefit apart from team news and game updates, of which there is plenty. I would like to know why, after we sold Jordan we have invested very little of that money in replacing his goals. I want to know what Dean meant when he said he would never let a Marcus Stewart type situation happen again and deals would only happen when the time was right for Huddersfield Town. Marcus Stewart's sale ended our season and ultimately cost us our position in the championship. I would like to know why Robins was not able to find any players with the budget available to strengthen the squad when our rivals were able to. Was the budget sufficient and if not (which I suspect) why not? By that I mean did he have targets that we couldn't afford to bring in or did he genuinely not think there was anything better out there? I want to know why bearing in mind we were going to be hit by injuries and suspensions and all our rivals were finding better form than us we haven't invested to stay up. It's too late to do anything about it now, but the risk the club have taken by not investing and choosing not to tell us why they are not investing is massive. If we go down I think we will lose more season ticket sales for this lack of communication than relegation alone. The view of many fans is that we haven't re-invested, they don't know why, and they think it will cost us our place in the Championship, that is a communication issue. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2013 17:48:16 GMT 1
If we were 6th in the league, would anybody be questioning the commercial dealings of the club? Would they buggery! If we were 6th in the league, lack of investment wouldn't have been an issue. Because there has been a lack of investment, then a lack of explanation we are not 6th in the league we are staring into the abyss. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 18:17:40 GMT 1
Robins and his coaches can sort the team out. That's their job. Sean and his commercial team can sort the partners/sponsors out. This their job. It's as simple as that really. I do take on board comments about some stuff as it winds me up on Twitter too sometimes, but as already pointed out if there was a separate account then it would have a lot less followers and may reduce the amount of partners (especially smaller ones looking to get new custom out if being associated with Town) we can attract, this having a negative impact on cash flow available to strengthen the team. While we're talking about it though, what communication would folk want with regards to the footballing side of things? Tactics? Updates on what formation we are thinking of playing? What colour boots Danny Ward has just bought? I can't really think of anything personally that would be of any benefit apart from team news and game updates, of which there is plenty. I would like to know why, after we sold Jordan we have invested very little of that money in replacing his goals. I want to know what Dean meant when he said he would never let a Marcus Stewart type situation happen again and deals would only happen when the time was right for Huddersfield Town. Marcus Stewart's sale ended our season and ultimately cost us our position in the championship. I would like to know why Robins was not able to find any players with the budget available to strengthen the squad when our rivals were able to. Was the budget sufficient and if not (which I suspect) why not? By that I mean did he have targets that we couldn't afford to bring in or did he genuinely not think there was anything better out there? I want to know why bearing in mind we were going to be hit by injuries and suspensions and all our rivals were finding better form than us we haven't invested to stay up. It's too late to do anything about it now, but the risk the club have taken by not investing and choosing not to tell us why they are not investing is massive. If we go down I think we will lose more season ticket sales for this lack of communication than relegation alone. The view of many fans is that we haven't re-invested, they don't know why, and they think it will cost us our place in the Championship, that is a communication issue. Sharing the reason behind every decision made, with all and sundry (because that's what it becomes), is no way to run a football club IMO. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2013 18:19:41 GMT 1
Just wanted to quickly answer a couple of commercial points on here Partners generate circa (top of my head stuff at this time of night) - circa 600k plus. V important considering the lack of commercial income from the stadium for the club on things like food and drink. I am keen to get it to 1m and an elite group of 100 partners. Every penny made goes back into the club All of my mates - I wish - I don't have that many! China - 4 businesses going out with us - all investing in the club - new venture - not sure what it will bring but if we don't try we won't know. Opportunity has presented itself this year Sorry if you don't like us promoting what we are doing commercially - it's crucial we generate income for the club. I and the commercial team are trying everything to make a difference to the club. I'd happily come across to Manchester and talk to you face to face about what we are trying to do. Alternatively my door is always open. I'll be honest - I am saddened by some of the comments. I know that football is the most important thing and I hope we get that little bit of luck we deserve. It's going to be a bumpy ride but we need to unify behind the team and CLUB. Sean Nobody has an issue or questions the importance of building the commercial side of the club. This thread is about communication and how it doesn't seem as open as in previous seasons. While a couple have mentioned the annoyance of the emails notifying of another commercial partner, it was I believe in the context of balance between commercial and football communication. Nobody is very interested in making more money if we don't appear to be investing that money in staying up. We hear lots about the work your team are doing which is great, but it will be a lot harder next season if we are in League 1. The football is the priority, as you rightly recognise, but there has been no satisfactory explanation why the club have appeared to not invest in staying up. Why our rivals were able to find loan players that have had an impact and improved their form yet we were unable to find anybody. Perhaps you have inadvertently answered the question about communication by coming on here to answer a couple of posts that complain about receiving emails about commercial partners, yet ignore the burning football issue, 'why the apparent lack of investment to stay up this year?' in the same thread. |
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Post by seanyd1brit on Apr 10, 2013 18:21:48 GMT 1
I'm sure when the time is right Dean will share his thinking about the transfer situation this season. But DURING the transfer window is NOT the time... if the club shows their hand they'll get held to ransom by other clubs and agents.
We fans are not (lately) used to being relegation candidates. I think that's what's causing all of this.
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Post by gtba7 on Apr 10, 2013 18:36:53 GMT 1
Just wanted to quickly answer a couple of commercial points on here Partners generate circa (top of my head stuff at this time of night) - circa 600k plus. V important considering the lack of commercial income from the stadium for the club on things like food and drink. I am keen to get it to 1m and an elite group of 100 partners. Every penny made goes back into the club All of my mates - I wish - I don't have that many! China - 4 businesses going out with us - all investing in the club - new venture - not sure what it will bring but if we don't try we won't know. Opportunity has presented itself this year Sorry if you don't like us promoting what we are doing commercially - it's crucial we generate income for the club. I and the commercial team are trying everything to make a difference to the club. I'd happily come across to Manchester and talk to you face to face about what we are trying to do. Alternatively my door is always open. I'll be honest - I am saddened by some of the comments. I know that football is the most important thing and I hope we get that little bit of luck we deserve. It's going to be a bumpy ride but we need to unify behind the team and CLUB. Sean Good on you Sean Jarvis. I posted earlier saying I thought we received excellent communication from the club and hasn't replied to your post but particulatly from that I have noted thr comment "I am saddened by some of the comments". Jarvis, Clibbens, Hoyle, Wilson all answer questions at forums or on twitter or whatever, all work their back sides off for town so I can totally understand why they would be saddened by criticism on here by us who ultimately don't really know what they are doing day to day. Managers and players are different we can all have an opinion on them because we practically judge their performance every Saturday but it must almost deflate the club staff if they read some of end stuff we all post on here. UTT |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2013 20:35:18 GMT 1
I'm sure when the time is right Dean will share his thinking about the transfer situation this season. But DURING the transfer window is NOT the time... if the club shows their hand they'll get held to ransom by other clubs and agents. We fans are not (lately) used to being relegation candidates. I think that's what's causing all of this. What hand would that be, the winning 'we are not signing anybody' hand, if so it was played to perfection. As far as the transfer window goes, it shut a while ago so anytime now I guess we'll get some answers. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2013 20:41:24 GMT 1
Just wanted to quickly answer a couple of commercial points on here Partners generate circa (top of my head stuff at this time of night) - circa 600k plus. V important considering the lack of commercial income from the stadium for the club on things like food and drink. I am keen to get it to 1m and an elite group of 100 partners. Every penny made goes back into the club All of my mates - I wish - I don't have that many! China - 4 businesses going out with us - all investing in the club - new venture - not sure what it will bring but if we don't try we won't know. Opportunity has presented itself this year Sorry if you don't like us promoting what we are doing commercially - it's crucial we generate income for the club. I and the commercial team are trying everything to make a difference to the club. I'd happily come across to Manchester and talk to you face to face about what we are trying to do. Alternatively my door is always open. I'll be honest - I am saddened by some of the comments. I know that football is the most important thing and I hope we get that little bit of luck we deserve. It's going to be a bumpy ride but we need to unify behind the team and CLUB. Sean Good on you Sean Jarvis. I posted earlier saying I thought we received excellent communication from the club and hasn't replied to your post but particulatly from that I have noted thr comment "I am saddened by some of the comments". Jarvis, Clibbens, Hoyle, Wilson all answer questions at forums or on twitter or whatever, all work their back sides off for town so I can totally understand why they would be saddened by criticism on here by us who ultimately don't really know what they are doing day to day. Managers and players are different we can all have an opinion on them because we practically judge their performance every Saturday but it must almost deflate the club staff if they read some of end stuff we all post on here. UTT If I understand you correctly, it's ok to have opinions on managers as we can see their performance every Saturday. What if their performance every Saturday is affected by not having sufficient budget to compete with our relegation rivals for players that might keep us up? Is it still fair to blame the manager, don't know that's the situation, don't know it's not, hence the questions about communication. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 20:42:38 GMT 1
I posted this ramble in a different thread but its probably more appropriate in here:--- Crucial part of the season and your happy to rip into the team and tell em their all a load of crap. UTT Just to emphasise my point about the club reading the comments on here, take a wander over to the communication thread and read a response from Sean Jarvis. Sorry, cant see any relevance between fans discussing honest and justifiable concerns about the playing side of things, and the way the club has approached this season off the field, "Jackass" not posting on here any more (not that he posted anything of any real interest), nor SJs continued demonstration of why the communication is poor and decreasing in value from the powers that be within the club. As MANY have stated, we dont want Sean to come knocking on our doors, and we dont want to go and sit in a room with him or Nigel and have an awkward stilted conversation because we're on our best behaviour cos thats what you do when you meet officials from the club you love, what we want is INCLUSIVE communication distributed and made accessible to a wide range of supporters....dont publicise and hold q&a sessions to the limited audience who are able to attend, but then brush the actual content under the carpet as though it never happened...don't provide the bare minimum of content to Town Player because Town collect no revenue from it, make the pre and post match interviews, q&a sessions etc available so that overseas fans get more involved and included. Its all simple stuff, but I sincerely think theyre getting worse at it, I'm not really bothered that Sean is 'saddened' and I'm not interested in taking time out of my day to go down the stadium and knock on his door, I just want to comsume news and output of interest from MY club (not Seans, nor Deans, but MINE) at my leisure...and because its MY club, I want that output to be comprehensive, interesting, insightful, inspiring, inclusive, open, humble and understanding. And I want to comsume that output at my leisure but have it available on tap, and I dont want to have to go to Canalside at a specific time one Thursday every couple of months to hear it. If the 'club' cant accept and understand that, then theyre simply going to gradually disenfranchise those of us who hang on every minutaie of information that comes out of OUR club, and turn us from fanatics into supporters, after which its a small step towards being a mere consumer...and thats not good for a football club. I know I for one have slid down that scale over the last few years as a direct result of the communications and personna the club has presented. I've gone from unquestioning support, where Ive actively promoted the club to mates including non Town fans and bigged up 'The Yorkshire Club' and 'Keep It Up' etc...via a questioning phase where I'd respond to comment from the club or provide thoughts on improvements and issues etc, through to a "ok, I've paid my money and this is the product and I'm simply a consumer" state. The danger with that is that as a simple consumer, its easier to walk away, and having done so, its less likely you'll walk back...the club NEEDS to work harder to ensure fans remain as fanatics, and I don't know if they really accept and understand that, and in fact going on some of the comments I read from Nigel in particular, the opposite seems to be true, which is a massive shame, because as Ive said, its MY club they're messing with. As an aside, for reasons the club cant affect, I was never going to be a season ticket holder next season (having had one ever since we moved grounds, and my 13 year old now in his 10th season as a season ticket holder)...and whilst I couldn't really change that choice, the club has made it a lot easier to go through with the decision than I expected....and that, as someone who has been a 'fanatic' for many years, saddens me somewhat. So, Nigel, Sean, and Dean, don't tell us you're doing all the right things, doing all you can to maintain Championship status, and have made a series of difficult and correct decisions, and are disappointed at supporter rumblings...because YOURE NOT, YOU ARENT, and YOU HAVENT....and, we just want you to do it, so please just DO IT....we're all willing punters waiting to be dragged along, it should be a relatively easy job, you're effectively selling to addicts. I think the communication has deteriorated this season compared to last but.... That is the biggest pile of crap I have read on here in a long time! Why don't the other 13000 or so of us that turn up to games leave you on your tod, because you clearly think Huddersfield Town is just about you. You sound like a spoiled brat that has spat his dummy out because his mum won't buy him some sweets |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 20:46:28 GMT 1
Obviously we need "Partners" and for the Commercial side of the business to be well run. But, for instance, the Nepal High School we're now in Partnership with? Unless it was all a big joke that I didn't get. Personally, I'd be keeping quiet on announcements like that, especially given the abymsal form/run we've been on since November, and our likely impending relegation. Fans ONLY (for the most part) care about what happens on the pitch. The perception, to me at least (and rightly or wrongly), is that with all the decisions that the Board have made over the past few months, they've not been 100% focused on staying in this league. Relegation, after 11 long years of attempting to get back into this league, will be a travesty. The problem is though Floyds, these partners only invest because of the exposure they get. They aren't fans like me and you, they are effectively paying for advertising. I know the Nepal thing was different but that was showing the clubs charitable side more than anything. We get 600k and they get advertising and exposure. It's business and its needed |
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Post by deo1 on Apr 10, 2013 21:01:15 GMT 1
If we stop up the club will say that they knew we had the players to keep us up, and that rushing in and signing someone for the sake of it would be a waste of the money we received for Rhodes and that the players on offer were over inflated and we are not a club that's going to be ripped off. If we go down they'll say we've learned from our mistake and it won't happen again and they thought the appointment of Robins would kick start our performances and take us up to the levels we were at during the first 3 months of the season.
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