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Post by Floyds on Apr 10, 2013 21:05:01 GMT 1
I know and I get that.
I'd advise a bit more thought into the timing of such announcements, though.
Get spanked 5-0 and the next day "Town sign new partnership with Lockwood carpet firm!" or some such.
None of this really matters though.
Actions speak louder than words - and our transfer activity from 1st January is bemusing to say the least.
Being told WHY we took the route we did will perhaps wait for the post mortem in a month or so time.
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Post by gtba7 on Apr 10, 2013 21:15:11 GMT 1
Good on you Sean Jarvis. I posted earlier saying I thought we received excellent communication from the club and hasn't replied to your post but particulatly from that I have noted thr comment "I am saddened by some of the comments". Jarvis, Clibbens, Hoyle, Wilson all answer questions at forums or on twitter or whatever, all work their back sides off for town so I can totally understand why they would be saddened by criticism on here by us who ultimately don't really know what they are doing day to day. Managers and players are different we can all have an opinion on them because we practically judge their performance every Saturday but it must almost deflate the club staff if they read some of end stuff we all post on here. UTT If I understand you correctly, it's ok to have opinions on managers as we can see their performance every Saturday. What if their performance every Saturday is affected by not having sufficient budget to compete with our relegation rivals for players that might keep us up? Is it still fair to blame the manager, don't know that's the situation, don't know it's not, hence the questions about communication. I'd say yeah you understand me correctly. The club will communicate accounts showing how much has been spent on players as will other clubs and a comparison can then be made. I'm not sure what other communication you expect to receive on the budget of the manager?  |
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Post by seanyd1brit on Apr 10, 2013 22:01:42 GMT 1
I'm sure when the time is right Dean will share his thinking about the transfer situation this season. But DURING the transfer window is NOT the time... if the club shows their hand they'll get held to ransom by other clubs and agents. We fans are not (lately) used to being relegation candidates. I think that's what's causing all of this. What hand would that be, the winning 'we are not signing anybody' hand, if so it was played to perfection. As far as the transfer window goes, it shut a while ago so anytime now I guess we'll get some answers. Yes I'm sure Mark Robins will be thrilled if the board come out and say "we know our players aren't good enough and we tried to sign some more but couldn't so we'll probably just have to cross our fingers and hope we don't go down" - that will do our confidence the world of good for the last five games. I'm struggling with this thread. There are some legitimate points being made but there's also a bunch of total bollocks. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 10, 2013 22:03:59 GMT 1
What hand would that be, the winning 'we are not signing anybody' hand, if so it was played to perfection. As far as the transfer window goes, it shut a while ago so anytime now I guess we'll get some answers. Yes I'm sure Mark Robins will be thrilled if the board come out and say "we know our players aren't good enough and we tried to sign some more but couldn't so we'll probably just have to cross our fingers and hope we don't go down" - that will do our confidence the world of good for the last five games. I'm struggling with this thread. There are some legitimate points being made but there's also a bunch of total bollocks.Seems to happen every time MallyB joins the party |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2013 23:12:52 GMT 1
Yes I'm sure Mark Robins will be thrilled if the board come out and say "we know our players aren't good enough and we tried to sign some more but couldn't so we'll probably just have to cross our fingers and hope we don't go down" - that will do our confidence the world of good for the last five games. I'm struggling with this thread. There are some legitimate points being made but there's also a bunch of total bollocks.Seems to happen every time MallyB joins the party If only I cared enough to be a sycophant ted. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2013 23:18:52 GMT 1
If I understand you correctly, it's ok to have opinions on managers as we can see their performance every Saturday. What if their performance every Saturday is affected by not having sufficient budget to compete with our relegation rivals for players that might keep us up? Is it still fair to blame the manager, don't know that's the situation, don't know it's not, hence the questions about communication. I'd say yeah you understand me correctly. The club will communicate accounts showing how much has been spent on players as will other clubs and a comparison can then be made. I'm not sure what other communication you expect to receive on the budget of the manager? What I expected was the club to invest some money in staying up like all our rivals did. We have the Rhodes money that has not been used and the extra revenue from being in the championship. Seeing the accounts in 9 months won't help us stay up. In the past dean has been excellent at explaining why something was or wasn't done. Dean has spent a fortune getting into the championship and seem to be surrendering without the same level of commitment. Why? |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2013 23:21:38 GMT 1
What hand would that be, the winning 'we are not signing anybody' hand, if so it was played to perfection. As far as the transfer window goes, it shut a while ago so anytime now I guess we'll get some answers. Yes I'm sure Mark Robins will be thrilled if the board come out and say "we know our players aren't good enough and we tried to sign some more but couldn't so we'll probably just have to cross our fingers and hope we don't go down" - that will do our confidence the world of good for the last five games. I'm struggling with this thread. There are some legitimate points being made but there's also a bunch of total bollocks. You mean like the nonsense about not showing our hand in the transfer window that shut weeks ago! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 23:56:30 GMT 1
There is an alternative for those who crave communication that supports their egocentric nature and a need to see (other) people throwing money at things so they can feel satisfied they're supporting a progressive club...
Support Cardiff for a few months, perhaps next year swap to QPR or Reading but if you want a steady life get yourself across to Old Trafford...
We're a struggling club that's never had it so good and one with proper growth plans, not just having a punt with longer term risk or longer term detriment.
Some of the posts on this thread sum up the must have it now mentality that's prevalent in society nowadays. Get a grip it's a long haul, judge folk after the first seeds of that plan start to blossom, then criticise if you must...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 0:52:05 GMT 1
I think the communication has deteriorated this season compared to last but.... That is the biggest pile of crap I have read on here in a long time! Why don't the other 13000 or so of us that turn up to games leave you on your tod, because you clearly think Huddersfield Town is just about you. You sound like a spoiled brat that has spat his dummy out because his mum won't buy him some sweets I've really no idea where you get that impression from because it couldnt be further from the truth.....you sound like a rude, aggressive club arse licker who cant discuss politely with people who don't get behind your opinion of things to the letter but I wont hold that against you because I suspect its not true either. I raise my concerns because I'm a concerned, very average fan, and the likelihood, given that I'm that, is that there are plenty more out there like me, so by extension crowds are likely to shrink next season. Just to be 100% clear on the dummy...the reason for me not renewing is NOTHING to do with the club or anything I've written on this thread, its a purely logistical decision given I hope to be 10000 miles away by autumn/winter. The point however is that if my hand hadnt been forced in that way, I'd have been in two minds whether to renew or not next season, and part of the reason for that would be things like communication out of the club, my feelings about the direction the club is heading under the current stewardship etc. Some fans walked away under David Taylors keen but financially unviable stewardship, others walked away after seeing through Ken Davy, some will ultimately walk away because they dont like whats happening under Hoyle as things are panning out...thats the nature of football clubs at our level, please dont elevate anyone 'in charge' to deity level with unconditional support, as thats a dangerous route to go down. |
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Post by seanyd1brit on Apr 11, 2013 1:05:23 GMT 1
Yes I'm sure Mark Robins will be thrilled if the board come out and say "we know our players aren't good enough and we tried to sign some more but couldn't so we'll probably just have to cross our fingers and hope we don't go down" - that will do our confidence the world of good for the last five games. I'm struggling with this thread. There are some legitimate points being made but there's also a bunch of total bollocks. You mean like the nonsense about not showing our hand in the transfer window that shut weeks ago! This thread is about the whole season is it not? Seems like the main complaint is that we don't know why more money hasn't been spent. Seemed like some people need to see the club's bank account in order to decide if we've spent "enough". |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 11, 2013 7:49:13 GMT 1
I think you're simplifying things with "more money spent".
The focus hasn't been on s staying up this season - both in terms of signings and also the managerial appointment "long term vision / pathways"
I'm genuinely unsure why this is.
If there is no money left - then fair enough - we'll be in all kinds of difficulties next season, given reduced crowds/TV money/Partnerships income etc whilst saddled with a group of highly paid, non performing players.
If it was a decision made by the Board for other reasons (buying into this Ross Wilson philosophy and a belief that, as stated, "the players have proved they are good enough") - then it's not looking a good one at present.
Either way, something has changed in the past six months at Board level - and I'm obviously unsure what.
Not that I expect to be told, of course, but it's definitely a concern.
Relegation will be a massive set back and something that could (I believe) have been easily avoided had different decisions have been made in January.
Having said that, hopefully we'll stay up and those decisions will have been vindicated
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 22:23:19 GMT 1
After airing my strong views on here I want to make public that I met with Sean Jarvis on Friday morning. For three hours we discussed the points raised on this thread and many other issues. Fair play to the guy, he told me plenty and was far more candid about some subjects than I expected.
Most of all I now have a better understanding of why the club does what it does in terms of communication.
In the name of fairness I just wanted to say that I'm pleased Huddersfield Town are willing as a club, to make it's most senior staff available for face to face meetings with individual fans.
I doubt many other clubs at this level would be so obliging.
"All the while upon the field of play."
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 13, 2013 22:48:07 GMT 1
Yeah, it would be really smart to divulge our plans and transfer budget into the public domain.
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Apr 13, 2013 22:51:13 GMT 1
After airing my strong views on here I want to make public that I met with Sean Jarvis on Friday morning. For three hours we discussed the points raised on this thread and many other issues. Fair play to the guy, he told me plenty and was far more candid about some subjects than I expected. Most of all I now have a better understanding of why the club does what it does in terms of communication. In the name of fairness I just wanted to say that I'm pleased Huddersfield Town are willing as a club, to make it's most senior staff available for face to face meetings with individual fans. I doubt many other clubs at this level would be so obliging. "All the while upon the field of play." Anything new you can share Steve? Or will it have to wait till the slubbers?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 23:02:56 GMT 1
After airing my strong views on here I want to make public that I met with Sean Jarvis on Friday morning. For three hours we discussed the points raised on this thread and many other issues. Fair play to the guy, he told me plenty and was far more candid about some subjects than I expected. Most of all I now have a better understanding of why the club does what it does in terms of communication. In the name of fairness I just wanted to say that I'm pleased Huddersfield Town are willing as a club, to make it's most senior staff available for face to face meetings with individual fans. I doubt many other clubs at this level would be so obliging. "All the while upon the field of play." So what did he say of interest then? This is what this thread is about isnt it?! Its ok chatting for 3 hrs to one fan....or 150 fans at a q&a at Canalside, but wheres the disessimation of the information?? Individuals and Q&A attendees always come away with a "feel good"...but the report of the event is "Dean attended a session at Canalside last night"....theres more fans NOT at these events that at them, and more fans not in the room with Sean J than in it....the club really need to start talking to that drifting majority and tie them back to the club again. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 23:08:01 GMT 1
3 hours f2f with a DATM poster, the bloke deserves a medal...
Or were you over at Melvyn Carr's buying shovels and lime for his meeting with Softboy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 23:44:20 GMT 1
In response to your question about the Q&As hen07tea, you're spot on. I said many fans can't get to these and as such they need to be webcast in some way. I suggested that they could be recorded and the audio file be made available for download or that a Twitter feed, maybe a specific account, could be used so that fans could tweet their questions in live, as it happens. Of course 140 chracters can be limiting. Either way a transcript needs to be made available especially for the ex pat fans who, for geographical and time difference reasons, feel like they are missing out. In response he said that when ex players are brought in to attract the crowd to an event at Canalside, I used Darren Bullock as a good example for me personally, everyone directs questions to the player rather than the board members.
The amount of commercial related press releases isn't going to go down. Essentially companies are paying the club to be associated with the Huddersfield Town name and simply put, it isn't going to change. More than half of all profits made from commercial ventures are channeled into the first team budget. Sean did say that if you do ever come across any partner who offers something that maybe useful to you, to mention that you've heard of them through Town and they should be able to sort you out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 0:44:27 GMT 1
I'm not sure what the relevance of the "everyone directs questions to the ex player" response is.....those of us who cant or dont want to attend want to hear/read about that too?!
Or is he suggesting they bring out an ex player to get more fans to the Q&A so theres no need to share the info wider?? But then cos its a big name draw nobody is interested in hearing the board message they wanted to share?!
Confused of Huddersfield!
In summary then, it seems that supporter communication has gone downhill this last 18 months, and theres no real appetite within the club for change? Shame.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 10:47:26 GMT 1
If the club share the details of canalside Q&A on the web, why would anybody need to go there for a beer? The sums need to stack-up with everything in life, that's life!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 11:44:19 GMT 1
I'm not sure what the relevance of the "everyone directs questions to the ex player" response is.....those of us who cant or dont want to attend want to hear/read about that too?! Or is he suggesting they bring out an ex player to get more fans to the Q&A so theres no need to share the info wider?? But then cos its a big name draw nobody is interested in hearing the board message they wanted to share?! Confused of Huddersfield! In summary then, it seems that supporter communication has gone downhill this last 18 months, and theres no real appetite within the club for change? Shame. You're going to have to take this one with the club yourself. I'm sorry if my answers don't help allay your concerns. "All the while upon the field of play." |
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