Huddersfield Town Youth and Development Thread

[Tinpot]

Jul 25, 2023 21:19:21 GMT 1 dewsburyterrier said:

Jul 25, 2023 19:35:08 GMT 1 Frankiesleftpeg said:

B-team line-up for tonight's friendly with Hyde

Mahoney not in squad.

Not interested in fighting for a place and probably never going to be good enough even if he was.

Better to give his place in the B-Team who has a chance of going on to perform at first team level.

Realistically though I expect we're stuck with him until his contract runs out.

[HuddsTerrier]

I went to Golcar last night - first time and it's a really nice set up there

I thought Town's number 2 (Mhrisho) looked the best prospect on the night

The goalie made some decent saves - albeit Golcar scored a goal from within their own half!

[Sparrow]

[netherterrier]

That would suggest that Rhodes isn’t going to involved in the main game ?

[rockwall]

Jul 29, 2023 12:17:53 GMT 1 netherterrier said:

That would suggest that Rhodes isn’t going to involved in the main game ?

And Nakayama

[Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier]

Rowe 1-0 after 22 minutes after goalie and defender fannied around.

I’m guessing Maxwell will still be involved in the main game. Nakayama needs to play maybe the full game, but ominous for Rhodes.

[allthefives]

Jul 29, 2023 12:23:57 GMT 1 Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier said:

Rowe 1-0 after 22 minutes after goalie and defender fannied around.

I’m guessing Maxwell will still be involved in the main game. Nakayama needs to play maybe the full game, but ominous for Rhodes.

Wouldn't Rhodes benefit from 90 similarly, given recent injury?

[Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier]

2-0 Ondo following up after Rhodes rounded the goalie but forced wide. Rhodes did well.

[Big Ern]

No Rhodes in the team or on the bench for the B team today. Is he on his way?

[Sparrow]

Good 4-0 win today.

Hopefully there were some scouts there looking at the likes of Rowe and Mahoney to take them permanently

With the likes of Spencer, High, Austerfield and possible Hudlin for Loans?

I'd also like to see Chapman going out on Loan if we can get him game time in L1 / L2.

Great to see Muz getting another game and Phillips back from Injury

[Porrohman]

Aug 15, 2023 15:39:38 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Good 4-0 win today.

Hopefully there were some scouts there looking at the likes of Rowe and Mahoney to take them permanently

With the likes of Spencer, High, Austerfield and possible Hudlin for Loans?

I'd also like to see Chapman going out on Loan if we can get him game time in L1 / L2.

Great to see Muz getting another game and Phillips back from Injury

Phillips, Mahoney, Hudlin and High on the scoresheet

[bells ringing :)]

Aug 15, 2023 15:39:38 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Good 4-0 win today.

Hopefully there were some scouts there looking at the likes of Rowe and Mahoney to take them permanently

With the likes of Spencer, High, Austerfield and possible Hudlin for Loans?

I'd also like to see Chapman going out on Loan if we can get him game time in L1 / L2.

Great to see Muz getting another game and Phillips back from Injury

Problem been with the names, apart from Chapman, then if the others went out on loan. Then we wouldn't have a squad at all currently, to cover the bench. Hudlin is a bench option same with Austerfield- says a lot about NW opinnion on High that JA seems to be ahead of him.

[Porrohman]

Aug 15, 2023 16:19:28 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Aug 15, 2023 15:39:38 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Good 4-0 win today.

Hopefully there were some scouts there looking at the likes of Rowe and Mahoney to take them permanently

With the likes of Spencer, High, Austerfield and possible Hudlin for Loans?

I'd also like to see Chapman going out on Loan if we can get him game time in L1 / L2.

Great to see Muz getting another game and Phillips back from Injury

Problem been with the names, apart from Chapman, then if the others went out on loan. Then we wouldn't have a squad at all currently, to cover the bench. Hudlin is a bench option same with Austerfield- says a lot about NW opinnion on High that JA seems to be ahead of him.

Different positions, Austerfield would play Hoggs role, High would be playing Rudonis new tole.

[Sparrow]

Aug 15, 2023 16:19:28 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Aug 15, 2023 15:39:38 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Good 4-0 win today.

Hopefully there were some scouts there looking at the likes of Rowe and Mahoney to take them permanently

With the likes of Spencer, High, Austerfield and possible Hudlin for Loans?

I'd also like to see Chapman going out on Loan if we can get him game time in L1 / L2.

Great to see Muz getting another game and Phillips back from Injury

Problem been with the names, apart from Chapman, then if the others went out on loan. Then we wouldn't have a squad at all currently, to cover the bench. Hudlin is a bench option same with Austerfield- says a lot about NW opinnion on High that JA seems to be ahead of him.

Yeah agree it's a balancing act in terms of numbers.

[Tinpot]

Aug 15, 2023 16:19:28 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Aug 15, 2023 15:39:38 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Good 4-0 win today.

Hopefully there were some scouts there looking at the likes of Rowe and Mahoney to take them permanently

With the likes of Spencer, High, Austerfield and possible Hudlin for Loans?

I'd also like to see Chapman going out on Loan if we can get him game time in L1 / L2.

Great to see Muz getting another game and Phillips back from Injury

Problem been with the names, apart from Chapman, then if the others went out on loan. Then we wouldn't have a squad at all currently, to cover the bench. Hudlin is a bench option same with Austerfield- says a lot about NW opinnion on High that JA seems to be ahead of him.

Says a lot about Rowe that Mahoney was on the bench ahead of him for the Boro cup game.

Damn shame with Rowe. A couple of years ago I thought he was about to break through. If he'd kicked on as I thought he was going to he'd have an important role in our squad now IMO.

[bells ringing :)]

Aug 15, 2023 16:38:36 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Aug 15, 2023 16:19:28 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Problem been with the names, apart from Chapman, then if the others went out on loan. Then we wouldn't have a squad at all currently, to cover the bench. Hudlin is a bench option same with Austerfield- says a lot about NW opinnion on High that JA seems to be ahead of him.

Yeah agree it's a balancing act in terms of numbers.

With 9 been able to be named on the bench, it is very much so. Warnock says we need players now, thats without loaning or selling anyone else, so i think unless they are really not wanted such as Mahoney,Rowe and probs Rhodes the rest will be kept around jsut for bodies. I mean me personally i would love for us to get rid of High , more than Rowe for example.

[tepidterrier]

Aug 15, 2023 16:40:39 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Aug 15, 2023 16:19:28 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Problem been with the names, apart from Chapman, then if the others went out on loan. Then we wouldn't have a squad at all currently, to cover the bench. Hudlin is a bench option same with Austerfield- says a lot about NW opinnion on High that JA seems to be ahead of him.

Says a lot about Rowe that Mahoney was on the bench ahead of him for the Boro cup game.

Damn shame with Rowe. A couple of years ago I thought he was about to break through. If he'd kicked on as I thought he was going to he'd have an important role in our squad now IMO.

I wonder what went wrong with him. I would say he did break through in Corberan's 1st season, he one of our better players by the end, and looked well ahead of Thomas in his development too. Had a brief bit of time injured but then nowhere near the first team once he got back and has barely featured for us or anyone else for over 2 years now. He made his debut for us before Lewis O'Brien!

[sapphireblue]

Aug 15, 2023 17:34:21 GMT 1 tepidterrier said:

Aug 15, 2023 16:40:39 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Says a lot about Rowe that Mahoney was on the bench ahead of him for the Boro cup game.

Damn shame with Rowe. A couple of years ago I thought he was about to break through. If he'd kicked on as I thought he was going to he'd have an important role in our squad now IMO.

I wonder what went wrong with him. I would say he did break through in Corberan's 1st season, he one of our better players by the end, and looked well ahead of Thomas in his development too. Had a brief bit of time injured but then nowhere near the first team once he got back and has barely featured for us or anyone else for over 2 years now. He made his debut for us before Lewis O'Brien!

You only need to see the physicality/physiology of his lower legs to see why it could be an issue.

[Tinpot]

Aug 15, 2023 17:30:21 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Aug 15, 2023 16:38:36 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Yeah agree it's a balancing act in terms of numbers.

With 9 been able to be named on the bench, it is very much so. Warnock says we need players now, thats without loaning or selling anyone else, so i think unless they are really not wanted such as Mahoney,Rowe and probs Rhodes the rest will be kept around jsut for bodies. I mean me personally i would love for us to get rid of High , more than Rowe for example.

Yeah, I think Scott High just needs a move now.

I had more faith than most in him making the step up but his development appears to have plateaued. Probably needs to drop down a division or two and build his career from there.

[bells ringing :)]

Aug 15, 2023 19:49:47 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Aug 15, 2023 17:30:21 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

With 9 been able to be named on the bench, it is very much so. Warnock says we need players now, thats without loaning or selling anyone else, so i think unless they are really not wanted such as Mahoney,Rowe and probs Rhodes the rest will be kept around jsut for bodies. I mean me personally i would love for us to get rid of High , more than Rowe for example.

Yeah, I think Scott High just needs a move now.

I had more faith than most in him making the step up but his development appears to have plateaued. Probably needs to drop down a division or two and build his career from there.

Can i ask why you had faith in High making it mate? i have watched the lad a hell of a lot, he doesn't seem to have mastered any part of been a midfielder . Physically he still looks like a small boy and , therefore can't even be compatitive.

I have never seen the hype that Bromby et al put behind this chap, in my eyes how he made it to be a professional at a champ level club is beyond me.

[crux]

Aug 15, 2023 19:58:49 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Aug 15, 2023 19:49:47 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Yeah, I think Scott High just needs a move now.

I had more faith than most in him making the step up but his development appears to have plateaued. Probably needs to drop down a division or two and build his career from there.

Can i ask why you had faith in High making it mate? i have watched the lad a hell of a lot, he doesn't seem to have mastered any part of been a midfielder . Physically he still looks like a small boy and , therefore can't even be compatitive.

I have never seen the hype that Bromby et al put behind this chap, in my eyes how he made it to be a professional at a champ level club is beyond me.

High should have followed the same path that O'brien did, a full season in League 2 getting used to playing week in, week out and developing properly a couple of seasons ago. We have utterly buggered up any chance he might have had at playing at a decent level.

[bells ringing :)]

Aug 15, 2023 20:03:26 GMT 1 crux said:

Aug 15, 2023 19:58:49 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Can i ask why you had faith in High making it mate? i have watched the lad a hell of a lot, he doesn't seem to have mastered any part of been a midfielder . Physically he still looks like a small boy and , therefore can't even be compatitive.

I have never seen the hype that Bromby et al put behind this chap, in my eyes how he made it to be a professional at a champ level club is beyond me.

High should have followed the same path that O'brien did, a full season in League 2 getting used to playing week in, week out and developing properly a couple of seasons ago. We have utterly buggered up any chance he might have had at playing at a decent level.

To me mate, he falls in the same pocket as Schofield- vastly over hyped for some reason. Both of which were never and will never be good neough, to play regular in the football league.

There is a huge difference between youth football and mens, neither of these have the physical attribtues, to play their positions in a mens league of a decent standard.

[Tinpot]

Aug 15, 2023 19:58:49 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Aug 15, 2023 19:49:47 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Yeah, I think Scott High just needs a move now.

I had more faith than most in him making the step up but his development appears to have plateaued. Probably needs to drop down a division or two and build his career from there.

Can i ask why you had faith in High making it mate? i have watched the lad a hell of a lot, he doesn't seem to have mastered any part of been a midfielder . Physically he still looks like a small boy and , therefore can't even be compatitive.

I have never seen the hype that Bromby et al put behind this chap, in my eyes how he made it to be a professional at a champ level club is beyond me.

Some of it was probably me being influenced by the hype, if I'm honest. But part of it came from seeing that he was ok at many things. Not terrible at anything. Passing is ok. Tackling ok. Shooting ok.... etc.

Early signs from his loan at Shrewsbury - not least scoring a screamer in the cup Vs Boro - before their manager was sacked and his replacement wanted to do things differently.

Had the odd decent performance. End of season a couple of years ago (Vs Reading?) he looked really good and I wondered if that was the start of him kicking on.

It was the lack of major weaknesses and the hope that he could develop a real strength that did it for me. Maybe he still can, but I think he needs to drop into League 2 first in order to do it.

[bells ringing :)]

Aug 15, 2023 20:19:14 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Aug 15, 2023 19:58:49 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Can i ask why you had faith in High making it mate? i have watched the lad a hell of a lot, he doesn't seem to have mastered any part of been a midfielder . Physically he still looks like a small boy and , therefore can't even be compatitive.

I have never seen the hype that Bromby et al put behind this chap, in my eyes how he made it to be a professional at a champ level club is beyond me.

Some of it was probably me being influenced by the hype, if I'm honest. But part of it came from seeing that he was ok at many things. Not terrible at anything. Passing is ok. Tackling ok. Shooting ok.... etc.

Early signs from his loan at Shrewsbury - not least scoring a screamer in the cup Vs Boro - before their manager was sacked and his replacement wanted to do things differently.

Had the odd decent performance. End of season a couple of years ago (Vs Reading?) he looked really good and I wondered if that was the start of him kicking on.

It was the lack of major weaknesses and the hope that he could develop a real strength that did it for me. Maybe he still can, but I think he needs to drop into League 2 first in order to do it.

Where as i see major weaknesses in a lot of High's preformances . he is physically weak, his so called passing range - he takes far too long and gets caught on the ball a lot .

Everyone can score a screamer , but does that make him talented no sorry it doesn't .

Town seem to persist with players for far too long, keep giving young guys contracts. Which i feel is unfair giving players who obviously wont make it contracts, its giving them false hope of somethign that will never happen for them. High is what 5.8 / LOB has a good physical side of his game, which means even if he couldn't run with the ball aswell as he can- he could hold a player off. High is incredibly poor in his phsyical attributes, which i though the club would try and address and clearly have not. Like i say above i feel sorry for players such as High/Schofield  and amgonst others who were hyped to be something and they simply were not and will never be.

[crux]

Aug 15, 2023 20:05:45 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Aug 15, 2023 20:03:26 GMT 1 crux said:

High should have followed the same path that O'brien did, a full season in League 2 getting used to playing week in, week out and developing properly a couple of seasons ago. We have utterly buggered up any chance he might have had at playing at a decent level.

To me mate, he falls in the same pocket as Schofield- vastly over hyped for some reason. Both of which were never and will never be good neough, to play regular in the football league.

There is a huge difference between youth football and mens, neither of these have the physical attribtues, to play their positions in a mens league of a decent standard.

I get what you mean, but as I said, High has never really had the same chance to go away and play for a full season in the men's game as O'brien did. Whether he would have done, we'll never know now.

I think Schofield always had a fundamental flaw in his game with the ball at his feet.

[bells ringing :)]

Aug 15, 2023 20:38:26 GMT 1 crux said:

Aug 15, 2023 20:05:45 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

To me mate, he falls in the same pocket as Schofield- vastly over hyped for some reason. Both of which were never and will never be good neough, to play regular in the football league.

There is a huge difference between youth football and mens, neither of these have the physical attribtues, to play their positions in a mens league of a decent standard.

I get what you mean, but as I said, High has never really had the same chance to go away and play for a full season in the men's game as O'brien did. Whether he would have done, we'll never know now.

I think Schofield always had a fundamental flaw in his game with the ball at his feet.

Schofield's issue - was and still is he doesn't like physical contact - which as a keeper is a bad thing. the ball playing bit, can be worked on . But been scared to death of physical contact means its a non starter.

I played with a chap who played for england under 17/18/19 while at Town a big powerful centre forward in the youth ranks 40 plus goals a season was regular for him. He couldn't translate it into mens football

Therefore england youth caps don't really mean much to me, as if you had asked me , when i played him with him will he make it , i would have said with ease but he never. If he didn't make it then that says it all .

Youth football doesn't translate to mens football.

[Tinpot]

Aug 15, 2023 17:34:21 GMT 1 tepidterrier said:

Aug 15, 2023 16:40:39 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Says a lot about Rowe that Mahoney was on the bench ahead of him for the Boro cup game.

Damn shame with Rowe. A couple of years ago I thought he was about to break through. If he'd kicked on as I thought he was going to he'd have an important role in our squad now IMO.

I wonder what went wrong with him. I would say he did break through in Corberan's 1st season, he one of our better players by the end, and looked well ahead of Thomas in his development too. Had a brief bit of time injured but then nowhere near the first team once he got back and has barely featured for us or anyone else for over 2 years now. He made his debut for us before Lewis O'Brien!

When I say break through I mean as a regular or at least semi-regular in the first team.

As it happens, he got injured and Sorba made the right wing/back berth his own, but I did think he'd kick on more than he has.

Thought he'd tear it up in Lg2 but barely got on the bench. Saw some footage of him on the pre-match videos on twitter before the cup game and wondered if he'd get a run out. Behind Mahoney though looks bad for him.

[tepidterrier]

I still think High is an alright system player. He'd fit in quite well in a Russell Martin type team, he does the basics reasonably well, and his positioning is good. He just falls in that unfortunate niche where he's neither strong enough to work as a scrappy midfielder, nor agile or quick on the ball enough to work as a front foot attacking midfielder. League 1 is his level at the minute, he needs time there to learn his craft, probably on a permanent. And this is from someone who's been very fair minded about High throughout his time with us.

Since I first saw Austerfield play in pre-season a few years ago I've always preferred him though, if he kicks on he could be like Jon Russell minus the lethargy.

[rockwall]

Aug 15, 2023 20:03:26 GMT 1 crux said:

Aug 15, 2023 19:58:49 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Can i ask why you had faith in High making it mate? i have watched the lad a hell of a lot, he doesn't seem to have mastered any part of been a midfielder . Physically he still looks like a small boy and , therefore can't even be compatitive.

I have never seen the hype that Bromby et al put behind this chap, in my eyes how he made it to be a professional at a champ level club is beyond me.

High should have followed the same path that O'brien did, a full season in League 2 getting used to playing week in, week out and developing properly a couple of seasons ago. We have utterly buggered up any chance he might have had at playing at a decent level.

He did get that chance though at Shrewsbury.
He was just awful for them too and not good enough.

[Tinpot]

Aug 15, 2023 22:37:10 GMT 1 tepidterrier said:

I still think High is an alright system player. He'd fit in quite well in a Russell Martin type team, he does the basics reasonably well, and his positioning is good. He just falls in that unfortunate niche where he's neither strong enough to work as a scrappy midfielder, nor agile or quick on the ball enough to work as a front foot attacking midfielder. League 1 is his level at the minute, he needs time there to learn his craft, probably on a permanent. And this is from someone who's been very fair minded about High throughout his time with us.

Since I first saw Austerfield play in pre-season a few years ago I've always preferred him though, if he kicks on he could be like Jon Russell minus the lethargy.

That "unfortunate niche" is a good analogy. Probably a better way of describing why I thought he'd come good than I gave. If you could sacrifice one part of his game to improve another he might have a very good career.

If he could just become "good" at one if the many things he's "ok" at, he'd be a lot better off. If he was stronger in the tackle he could be a really good defensive midfielder, because he has all the other attributes... etc

I have a similar perspective on REG. Not strong enough in the air for CB, not quick enough or good enough with the ball at his feet for RB and not good enough passing range for midfield.

Many other attributes in both players though.