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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 4, 2014 23:21:32 GMT 1
In lighter news, man serenades cattle with his trombone I've seen some weird things on this forum but this might just top it. Maybe we could use this guy to serenade some signings? Robins on a Bassoon luring Becchio and Keane over the Kilner Bank. That'd bring the crowds in
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Aug 5, 2014 0:07:47 GMT 1
Why did we sign Lolley or Peltier if neither fit into the 352 formation ??!! Because we'll be playing 4-5-1 more often than not ? With Wells as the severely isolated 1 if last season is anything to go by.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 5, 2014 7:55:28 GMT 1
Still hope for us, sounds like he will play tonight, one half anyway.
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Post by bristolterrier on Aug 5, 2014 8:48:37 GMT 1
Do we have any sort of strategy with regards purchases? Is anybody thinking ahead with a set style of play in mind, or are we just acquiring a few able bodies and hoping for the best? Somebody really does need to take this side by the bollocks and shape it properly! I thought Hoyle said Robins had final say on who we try to sign. Then its up to the board to make it happen if it will fit in our wage structure and budget. It seems to me, and I am not anti Robins yet, that if the players do not fit the shape it is the Managers fault. That statement worries me. Hope we are signing players to fit into our team structure and not our wage structure!!
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Post by townatheart on Aug 5, 2014 8:57:10 GMT 1
I thought Hoyle said Robins had final say on who we try to sign. Then its up to the board to make it happen if it will fit in our wage structure and budget. It seems to me, and I am not anti Robins yet, that if the players do not fit the shape it is the Managers fault. That statement worries me. Hope we are signing players to fit into our team structure and not our wage structure!! I would suspect that it is a combination of the two aspects/factors that have to come together, which in a broad general sense helps to explain why it can be difficult to get our targets signed perhaps.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 5, 2014 9:09:05 GMT 1
there are probably dozens of players who would fit into our team structure. The days of selecting 3/4 and bringing them here are gone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 9:29:47 GMT 1
I thought Hoyle said Robins had final say on who we try to sign. Then its up to the board to make it happen if it will fit in our wage structure and budget. It seems to me, and I am not anti Robins yet, that if the players do not fit the shape it is the Managers fault. That statement worries me. Hope we are signing players to fit into our team structure and not our wage structure!! Thats exactly what he says...but we can only sign players within the financial constraints we're operating in, otherwise we'd be going up this season as champions on the back of signing Ronaldo and Messi.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Aug 5, 2014 9:37:58 GMT 1
Not sure we have offered a deal. Suggestion is that now Brighton are serious we might make him an offer to stay. I think its been business as usual until someone matches the asking price. Now Brighton have, its towns turn to make a move. why would we wait for them to bid to offer him a deal that would only be a bargaining chip for claytons camp and drive up what he wanted us to offer him Because if no one bids then he stays past August 31st. That gives us 3 months to try tie him up on a deal with us being the only offer on the table. Because there is a bid it forces our hand to do this earlier and maybe at a higher price but at least we know what to offer. If we offer early in the window we are doing it blind and it may turn out to be considerably lower than Brighton or Boro offer him, we then have to up our offer again which suggests we are desperate to keep him or we are open to further bargaining. At least this way we can make him a decent take it or leave it offer and if he leaves it then we get £2m for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 10:18:02 GMT 1
Future will be resolved in the next 24Hrs. Brighton have apparently met Deanos valuation, as an honorable man, he has let Clayton talk to them. Same situation as Rhodes, Hunt, Pilks, Pelts before him. I cant see us able to match wages they will offer for a 2 million pound player, so looks like a done deal.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 5, 2014 10:27:52 GMT 1
why would we wait for them to bid to offer him a deal that would only be a bargaining chip for claytons camp and drive up what he wanted us to offer him Because if no one bids then he stays past August 31st. That gives us 3 months to try tie him up on a deal with us being the only offer on the table. Because there is a bid it forces our hand to do this earlier and maybe at a higher price but at least we know what to offer. If we offer early in the window we are doing it blind and it may turn out to be considerably lower than Brighton or Boro offer him, we then have to up our offer again which suggests we are desperate to keep him or we are open to further bargaining. At least this way we can make him a decent take it or leave it offer and if he leaves it then we get £2m for him. It doesn't work like that. We have valuations for all our players. If someone matches that valuation in a bid and Town want to sell then the bidding club are allowed to talk to the player to negotiate personal terms. As Dean's has plenty of dosh in his back pocket and doesn't need to sell - we are always in the driving seat when it comes to player sales.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Aug 5, 2014 10:53:48 GMT 1
Future will be resolved in the next 24Hrs. Brighton have apparently met Deanos valuation, as an honorable man, he has let Clayton talk to them. Same situation as Rhodes, Hunt, Pilks, Pelts before him. I cant see us able to match wages they will offer for a 2 million pound player, so looks like a done deal. Thanks, Alan.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Aug 5, 2014 10:54:24 GMT 1
Because if no one bids then he stays past August 31st. That gives us 3 months to try tie him up on a deal with us being the only offer on the table. Because there is a bid it forces our hand to do this earlier and maybe at a higher price but at least we know what to offer. If we offer early in the window we are doing it blind and it may turn out to be considerably lower than Brighton or Boro offer him, we then have to up our offer again which suggests we are desperate to keep him or we are open to further bargaining. At least this way we can make him a decent take it or leave it offer and if he leaves it then we get £2m for him. It doesn't work like that. We have valuations for all our players. If someone matches that valuation in a bid and Town want to sell then the bidding club are allowed to talk to the player to negotiate personal terms. As Dean's has plenty of dosh in his back pocket and doesn't need to sell - we are always in the driving seat when it comes to player sales. so what are you saying? we never offered him a deal and never intended to? What would have happened if no one met the valuation do we just let him run down his contract?
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Post by dugnet on Aug 5, 2014 10:58:21 GMT 1
Where we currently are letting Clayton leave, even if it is for decent money, looks short sighted to me. I am sorry it is not the time to sell your best player.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 5, 2014 11:11:09 GMT 1
Where we currently are letting Clayton leave, even if it is for decent money, looks short sighted to me. I am sorry it is not the time to sell your best player. Never a good time to sell your best player. What we don't want is for him to leave for nothing next Summer. You can argue too that selling him will make us weaker, hopefully not so much so that we are relegated and relegation as we all know will cost us more then what we get from Clayton's sale. Not an easy situation to be in. I hold out little hope that he will be here at the end of August, his name has been rumoured with Clubs all Summer. If we are selling I hope we have some replacements lined up and get them in quickly.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 5, 2014 11:13:21 GMT 1
the strategy of bringing in players for much less than we shift them on for only works if we can sell at the right time for the team, not just the club.
clayton should have been sorted one way or another weeks ago. this hanging about just gives the player/agent even more leverage.
absolutely no confidence from the supporters of any club anymore that the players are playing for anything more than more money/a better paid move. It wouldn't be too bad if some these jokers actually put enough effort in to 'fool' us a bit.
are players just playing for man utd/Liverpool etc because they cant get a move to Real or somewhere else, if so nobody is actually playing for your club anymore, its totally individual advancement.
annoyed a bit..
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Post by royrace on Aug 5, 2014 11:21:04 GMT 1
If the fee is right we can't hold it against the club and I've every confidence a quality replacement will be lined up if at all possible. It's all very last minute but I guess hands are tied. Still hope he stays, best cm for a very long time.
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Post by jwhudd802 on Aug 5, 2014 11:28:50 GMT 1
Don't rate him. Too slow,gets caught in possession,doesn't score many goals,not a dead ball specialist.....£2m? Take it quick and reinvest it and the team will be much stronger. IMO.
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Post by htfcterry on Aug 5, 2014 11:34:56 GMT 1
Don't rate him. Too slow,gets caught in possession,doesn't score many goals,not a dead ball specialist.....£2m? Take it quick and reinvest it and the team will be much stronger. IMO. Yet probably the most consistent player last season?
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Post by dugnet on Aug 5, 2014 11:36:57 GMT 1
I guess my concern here is that how can we ever build any sort of a team that can challenge when we sell our best player every 12-18 months.
In the long term would we potentially gain more (primarily financially) if we keep Clayton?
To be fair to the club if the situation has got to a stage where by we can't compete financially and the player wants/is advised to leave then we have little choice but I this doesn't look like a Jordan Rhodes situation (where he wanted to go).
There's a lot of work to be done at 1st team level if Clayton stays, if he goes there's a HELL of a lot of work to do!
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 5, 2014 11:45:46 GMT 1
Robins stated recently that he wanted to bring in at least 3 more signings and surely that delay is because the only club money available to bring in these signings would be from the expected 2 million Clayton transfer especially as Town failed to offloaded there deadwood. If this is the case then Town do need to sell Clayton and quickly simply because the season is nearly upon us and it is vital that players be brought in to patch up the gaping holes in certain parts of the field that were Towns failings of last season. Any professional businessman in Mr Hoyles position would have one eye firmly fixed of the clubs rising 30 .3 million nett debt especially if they were planning to sell the club in the very near future and we must never forget that Mr Hoyle is a bussinessman first and town fan second who did not get where he is today by throwing money down the drain thus the question remains is Robins is going to buy to suit his team plan or the club budget.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 5, 2014 11:49:48 GMT 1
I guess my concern here is that how can we ever build any sort of a team that can challenge when we sell our best player every 12-18 months. In the long term would we potentially gain more (primarily financially) if we keep Clayton? To be fair to the club if the situation has got to a stage where by we can't compete financially and the player wants/is advised to leave then we have little choice but I this doesn't look like a Jordan Rhodes situation (where he wanted to go). There's a lot of work to be done at 1st team level if Clayton stays, if he goes there's a HELL of a lot of work to do! I'm sure at Millbridge Deano mentioned that they wanted to extend Lynch and Clayton, Lynch has since signed that extension and Clayton hasn't. There's not a lot the club can do if the better players choose not to extend their contracts here. Would you prefer we keep players like Rhodes by matching 40k a week in wages that the club simply cannot afford that is why the academy and scouting need to keep producing finding players that we can sell on. We are about building a club rather than building around individual assets on the playing side. If we can achieve that production line then we will be fine. Until we get to a stage where the playing field is more even or we are better placed to make an assault on the upper part of the table.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 5, 2014 11:54:48 GMT 1
I guess my concern here is that how can we ever build any sort of a team that can challenge when we sell our best player every 12-18 months. In the long term would we potentially gain more (primarily financially) if we keep Clayton? To be fair to the club if the situation has got to a stage where by we can't compete financially and the player wants/is advised to leave then we have little choice but I this doesn't look like a Jordan Rhodes situation (where he wanted to go). There's a lot of work to be done at 1st team level if Clayton stays, if he goes there's a HELL of a lot of work to do! I'm sure at Millbridge Deano mentioned that they wanted to extend Lynch and Clayton, Lynch has since signed that extension and Clayton hasn't. There's not a lot the club can do if the better players choose not to extend their contracts here. Would you prefer we keep players like Rhodes by matching 40k a week in wages that the club simply cannot afford that is why the academy and scouting need to keep producing finding players that we can sell on. We are about building a club rather than building around individual assets on the playing side. If we can achieve that production line then we will be fine. Until we get to a stage where the playing field is more even or we are better placed to make an assault on the upper part of the table. Sad but true. I'd imagine Brighton are a very attractive Club for players of Clayton's ability. They stand a strong chance of promotion, play in front of crowds double ours and I'd quite fancy a couple of years living on the South Coast myself.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 5, 2014 12:02:10 GMT 1
Future will be resolved in the next 24Hrs. Brighton have apparently met Deanos valuation, as an honorable man, he has let Clayton talk to them. Same situation as Rhodes, Hunt, Pilks, Pelts before him. I cant see us able to match wages they will offer for a 2 million pound player, so looks like a done deal. How long before the quoted one repeats another Nixon tweet confirming the unexaminer story saying Boro could well be back in the frame lol
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 5, 2014 12:04:24 GMT 1
once we know what brighton can offer him in terms of wages/length of contract and all the other add ons, it will allow dean to consider wether to try and match it or offer something different.
lets see..but lets hope its sorted quickly..
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 5, 2014 12:06:46 GMT 1
Colne valley blue ---Torquay, Paignton and Brixham on the South west coast are lovely this time of year and my 52 years a fan with 34 of those years following town from this part of the country are certainly starting to take its toll especially in the pocket so take that into consideration before you make the move.
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Post by H7 on Aug 5, 2014 12:08:22 GMT 1
if clayton is sold today (3 days before the season starts) it would be extremely difficult to have any sort of optimism going into this season ... our squad will arguably be weaker than what we ended with last season.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 5, 2014 12:09:02 GMT 1
Don't rate him. Too slow,gets caught in possession,doesn't score many goals,not a dead ball specialist.....£2m? Take it quick and reinvest it and the team will be much stronger. IMO. Yet probably the most consistent player last season? said it before and will say it again – he stood out purely because everyone else was so inconsistent. He was scoring consistent 6s and 7s out of ten (with the odd 8) when others were 5/6 at best. In terms of ability (note: not delivery) Norwood is a better player, in my opinion. If we sell Clayts, get in a ball winner in the middle to do the job Hogg has shown he can’t, maybe Norwood and Majewski are the creative pairing in the middle, with the young’uns coming through as back-up/development. I guess my point is we’ll never know how we’ll cope without him until we have to. When Rhodes and Pilks went, we then coped at a higher level. Some faith, please.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 5, 2014 12:10:21 GMT 1
if clayton is sold today (3 days before the season starts) it would be extremely difficult to have any sort of optimism going into this season ... our squad will arguably be weaker than what we ended with last season. Dont expect any points for working that one out.
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Post by upthetown on Aug 5, 2014 12:10:20 GMT 1
if clayton is sold today (3 days before the season starts) it would be extremely difficult to have any sort of optimism going into this season ... our squad will arguably be weaker than what we ended with last season. Our player of the season potentially sold. Our best player injured. Doesn't make good reading, and I'm an optimist when it comes to Town.
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Post by Guthlac on Aug 5, 2014 12:12:08 GMT 1
What is everyone panicking about - we have Norwood and Gobern. Relax you sillies!
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