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Post by patfield on Aug 29, 2014 8:55:53 GMT 1
Liverpool fan here. Thought I may as well sign up as I checked the boards to see how Coady was doing, and you've just got Robinson (I know, neither of them are Liverpool players anymore, sad bastard!) I'm probably a bit biased as I always had a little bit invested in seeing Robbo becoming a success (I honestly thought watching him come up he'd be a Liverpool player for a long time) but I do think he's a talented player. It's funny how these things work out. Obviously Rodgers didn't particularly rate him, but I think if we'd have kept him last season instead of Jon Flanagan (who nobody wanted on loan), he might have nailed down his future here. He's quick, can defend and has good distribution. Solid fundamentals. Always viewed him as someone who'll have a long career in the Premier League, especially when you look at some of the other left-backs in the league. Does need to make this loan a success though, hopefully he feels he's got something to prove. He started off really well at Blackpool, but I think his form disintegrated along with their season, they're a bit of a mess right? He did get sent off 3 times for them, but once was for being involved in a mass brawl (was harsh to be singled out), once was two soft yellows, and the last time someone was through on goal and he was the last man. Despite that, he always came back into the team as soon as he was available, which I think does speak a bit about his quality considering he's only 20. Good luck. At last someone who has seen the lad play and therefore has more insight than some of the dumb fucks on here. I quite like the sound of the lad
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 29, 2014 9:25:06 GMT 1
Exactly. All this 'desperately need a new centre back OR 2' is a total crock. Its not a priority. So typical of DATM lately this thread. We sign an england U21 and the usual characters decide thats something to moan about. FFS you couldn't make it up! A centre-back is a priority! You need two players for each position, especially in defence. We have two RBs and now two LBs but only have Lynch, Gerrard and Wallace. Ones injured, ones still learning his trade and very inconsistent and the other is injured. At the minute we don't have anyone to step up from the academy/u21s too and if anyone says Matt Crooks then they're off there rocker. We've been lacking a good quality CB ever since Sean Morrison's loan spell expired. If we do bring one in then I full expect us to do better at the back than this seasons showing so far Saying Lynch and especially Gerrard are not good quality centre backs at this level is garbage mate. Both are. Ive had plenty of doubts about wallace but his performances this season have changed my view on him quite a bit. He's still very young but think we're starting to see the potential that we and other clubs saw in him when he broke through in Scotland and made him an expensive signing. he was excellent against forest. If he maintains that form then we have 3 centre backs who are good quality at this level, plus Smith who i rate highly at full back and is supposed to be more of a centre back in truth. Yes we could do with an extra option in an ideal world, but people make out its this desperate gaping hole in our squad, and it simply isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 9:42:19 GMT 1
If you look at the areas of the team that need strengthening then I would say the obvious area is still centre back and still in my opinion centre midfield and centre forward. We STILL havent addressed these and they have been problems for about 5 years. We rely too much on injury prone players in these areas as well.
Still 3 players and a manager short of a good team in my opinion.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 29, 2014 10:00:06 GMT 1
Well if it goes tits up the next manager will get a fat pay off. So he will be fine The fans won't have to pay extra for their tickets, so can't really grumble if the club are making a genuine effort to move things forward ... which IMO they are So the person most affected will be Dean Hoyle ... who would lose £100,000's personally if this all goes wrong If the new man is not Lillis having had "final say" on these recent signings then you have got to feel for the potential predicament of the new man. He might not have much of a budget left to play with & these new players might not be what he wants/needs. Strange carry on & I am surprised that so many folk are so comfortable with how things are playing out. I understand your point and queried Ross Wilson’s role in signings last season Personally I have no issue with the Director of Football model, there are good examples of this model working for similar sized clubs to Town; Reading and Nicky Hammond (in post since 2003), WBA and Dan Ashworth (2007-2012) are great examples. IMO we can’t follow a herd mentality as we’ll be murdered in terms of finance in this league so have to adapt another model to 90% of Championship sides. It’s a risk to break from convention but our best chance of staying at this level rather than doing the same things as other clubs who have more financial clout As a criticism it did frustrate me a bit that MR got stick for signings which clearly were not just his decision (partly his but not all his). It’s telling that since MR’s left we’ve signed two and sold two. It’s clear Ross Wallace (and a lesser extent Dean Hoyle) have more sway on signings than we’ve been lead to believe (I can’t see Clibbens driving these deals as he’s an accountant and not for what I’ve seen a football man). If that is the model that’s fine – it works elsewhere and I have no issue with the long term planning/ stability of having a Director of Football - but if the signings don’t come off I think fans should be a bit more sympathetic to the manager if new players aren’t coming up to scratch. It’s seemed there was no collective responsibility/ accountability last season when there criticism of Patterson, Stead and the general lack of strikers once Vaughan was injured. From the outside it felt a little like the manager was made scapegoat while Ross Wilson was made Teflon This isn’t a moan but an observation and I think it would help fans be more positive if they understood whether the next man in charge is a manager or head coach (with influence on signings). These signings where there isn’t a manager in place is causing a bit of confusion IMO, simply because fans aren’t used to the Director of Football model
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Post by upthetown on Aug 29, 2014 10:01:20 GMT 1
Carroll probably not kicked on as expected. Leaving Dixon without serious competition for a starting position. He now has competition, and we play select whichever is playing the best. Can't fault it really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 10:03:55 GMT 1
Carroll probably not kicked on as expected. Leaving Dixon without serious competition for a starting position. He now has competition, and we play select whichever is playing the best. Can't fault it really. has he acually signed?
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Post by softboy on Aug 29, 2014 10:05:03 GMT 1
We need a centre forward & have needed one since last Christmas. Our game plan involves someone in this position & the only two we have who are natural to it are Vaughan (injury prone) & Stead (not quite good enough). Surely Ross Wilson or whoever can see this. How many times has it been said that we lack that cutting edge to turn chances into goals & the true value of Wells is playing alongside a central stiker. Yet we persist in midfield players & now a full back being signed.
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Post by upthetown on Aug 29, 2014 10:07:33 GMT 1
Carroll probably not kicked on as expected. Leaving Dixon without serious competition for a starting position. He now has competition, and we play select whichever is playing the best. Can't fault it really. has he acually signed? Yes. Season long loan.... Hours after signing for QPR for £1 million. Current England u21 international too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 10:10:54 GMT 1
Yes. Season long loan.... Hours after signing for QPR for £1 million. Current England u21 international too. having just read the official town site we may well be getting lillis as manager but im sure after this weekend it will soon be sorted whoever it is
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 29, 2014 10:15:06 GMT 1
We need a centre forward & have needed one since last Christmas. Our game plan involves someone in this position & the only two we have who are natural to it are Vaughan (injury prone) & Stead (not quite good enough). Surely Ross Wilson or whoever can see this. How many times has it been said that we lack that cutting edge to turn chances into goals & the true value of Wells is playing alongside a central stiker. Yet we persist in midfield players & now a full back being signed. HTFC statement- ' well the squad could do with more strength at right back and we had the chance to sign a £1m England U21 international on a seasons loan, BUT, as we haven';t brought in a striker yet , we decided to walk away from the full back deal on account of the rule that says you can only bring players to the club in order of priority.'
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Post by terrierng on Aug 29, 2014 10:19:35 GMT 1
We need a centre forward & have needed one since last Christmas. Our game plan involves someone in this position & the only two we have who are natural to it are Vaughan (injury prone) & Stead (not quite good enough). Surely Ross Wilson or whoever can see this. How many times has it been said that we lack that cutting edge to turn chances into goals & the true value of Wells is playing alongside a central stiker. Yet we persist in midfield players & now a full back being signed. robins played a midfielder up front instead of strikers,lillis hasn't,he has played bunn,who looks ok ,wells and Vaughan are the first two if fit,then comes bunn and Patterson,then stead,then ward,this is without promoting from the acc,lillis will know if there ready,discounting ward that's five strikers baring injury,no way will we get another unless someone goes.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 29, 2014 10:57:21 GMT 1
When you look at the much lauded mantra of round pegs in round holes you would have to put Wells firmly in the category of square peg! He needs a strike partner who can hold up the ball. He has tried manfully to play the one upfront role in the 4-5-1 but its not a recipe for long term success for either him or the club. Its puzzling why the club have not addresses this well recognised major weakness in our squad as number 1 priority.
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Post by formerlymirfin5 on Aug 29, 2014 11:26:57 GMT 1
When you look at the much lauded mantra of round pegs in round holes you would have to put Wells firmly in the category of square peg! He needs a strike partner who can hold up the ball. He has tried manfully to play the one upfront role in the 4-5-1 but its not a recipe for long term success for either him or the club. Its puzzling why the club have not addresses this well recognised major weakness in our squad as number 1 priority. Scored playing upfront on his own when we had 10 men at the weekend didn't he?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 29, 2014 11:38:27 GMT 1
For those saying we need another striker, don't forget we have Jake Charles coming through the ranks who can play up front or on the wing. I've only seen him a couple of times but it wouldn't surprise me to see him break through this season.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 29, 2014 11:47:42 GMT 1
When you look at the much lauded mantra of round pegs in round holes you would have to put Wells firmly in the category of square peg! He needs a strike partner who can hold up the ball. He has tried manfully to play the one upfront role in the 4-5-1 but its not a recipe for long term success for either him or the club. Its puzzling why the club have not addresses this well recognised major weakness in our squad as number 1 priority. Scored playing upfront on his own when we had 10 men at the weekend didn't he? OK I give in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 11:49:57 GMT 1
We need a centre forward & have needed one since last Christmas. Our game plan involves someone in this position & the only two we have who are natural to it are Vaughan (injury prone) & Stead (not quite good enough). Surely Ross Wilson or whoever can see this. How many times has it been said that we lack that cutting edge to turn chances into goals & the true value of Wells is playing alongside a central stiker. Yet we persist in midfield players & now a full back being signed. robins played a midfielder up front instead of strikers,lillis hasn't,he has played bunn,who looks ok ,wells and Vaughan are the first two if fit,then comes bunn and Patterson,then stead,then ward,this is without promoting from the acc,lillis will know if there ready,discounting ward that's five strikers baring injury,no way will we get another unless someone goes. you are right there
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 29, 2014 11:51:34 GMT 1
For those saying we need another striker, don't forget we have Jake Charles coming through the ranks who can play up front or on the wing. I've only seen him a couple of times but it wouldn't surprise me to see him break through this season. I hope he does and Bunn has made a big step forward already - but if we had 3 more Wells' in the squad it still wouldn't address the issue of how to get the best out of Wells unless, like formerlymirfin5, you think we are getting the best out of him already.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 11:59:45 GMT 1
Oh great! Another signing we don't need when we're crying out for a striker, 2 centre backs and a manager! Who the f4ck is sanctioning these signings? Hey, how about another 3 midfielders we don't need? So despite the fact we have one competent LB in the squad, we don't need another LB? Ok We don't even have a full complement of first choice strikers and centre backs for fill the positions, let alone adequate backup!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:02:43 GMT 1
Oh great! Another signing we don't need when we're crying out for a striker, 2 centre backs and a manager! Who the f4ck is sanctioning these signings? Hey, how about another 3 midfielders we don't need? Clueless Care to explain what's clueless about the post or don't you have anything useful to add?
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Post by AndySk on Aug 29, 2014 12:06:07 GMT 1
Gerrard Lynch Wallace Smith Really? Exactly. All this 'desperately need a new centre back OR 2' is a total crock. Its not a priority. So typical of DATM lately this thread. We sign an england U21 and the usual characters decide thats something to moan about. FFS you couldn't make it up! Gerrard out injured (how long for do we know?) Lynch - prob get 20 games from him Wallace - a couple of good games this season but on the whole has been poor to average for us. Smith - one game at CB for the first team is it? what is it 14 conceded in 6 so far this season Personally i think a CB is a priority, along with a striker
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Post by deadleg on Aug 29, 2014 12:16:32 GMT 1
On the centre-back issue, surely how much we NEED one depends to a large extent on the formation? It's much more of a glaring issue if we're playing with three centre-backs than two.. We don't even know who the manager's going to be yet, let alone what formation he might favour.
However it ends up I think we'd probably (just about) survive with the current options there but if we want to make progress it's the most obvious area in need of improvement. No point bringing anyone in unless they're likely to be a good upgrade on what we have though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:17:51 GMT 1
A centre-back is a priority! You need two players for each position, especially in defence. We have two RBs and now two LBs but only have Lynch, Gerrard and Wallace. Ones injured, ones still learning his trade and very inconsistent and the other is injured. At the minute we don't have anyone to step up from the academy/u21s too and if anyone says Matt Crooks then they're off there rocker. We've been lacking a good quality CB ever since Sean Morrison's loan spell expired. If we do bring one in then I full expect us to do better at the back than this seasons showing so far Saying Lynch and especially Gerrard are not good quality centre backs at this level is garbage mate. Both are. Ive had plenty of doubts about wallace but his performances this season have changed my view on him quite a bit. He's still very young but think we're starting to see the potential that we and other clubs saw in him when he broke through in Scotland and made him an expensive signing. he was excellent against forest. If he maintains that form then we have 3 centre backs who are good quality at this level, plus Smith who i rate highly at full back and is supposed to be more of a centre back in truth. Yes we could do with an extra option in an ideal world, but people make out its this desperate gaping hole in our squad, and it simply isn't. Gerrard is a decent Champ CB, Lynch is our best CB and if he didn't decide to have his bipolar moments whould be a quality Champ CB, Wallace is not yet a decent Champ CB and in 2014 has had a lot more bad games than good. I maintain you need 2 players for every position and in defence we don't. Look at this weekend both our right backs are most likely injured and so is Gerrard so we are down to bare bones which will lead to either a LB or Coady having to play out of position at RB. We released Clarke and have yet to replace him. To compete in the Championship you need strength in depth in all area and in defence we don't. Also we already have one of the worst defensive records this season, so unlike last season you can't wheel out "we've got the 7th best defensive record in the championship" like you did for half a season. Quite simply we need a top notch CB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:19:50 GMT 1
Reading this forum is so frustrating some times.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:22:13 GMT 1
So despite the fact we have one competent LB in the squad, we don't need another LB? Ok We don't even have a full complement of first choice strikers and centre backs for fill the positions, let alone adequate backup! So 4 CB's that are all capable first team performers isn't enough? Also we have more than enough strikers, just not the right ones, If Vaughan's fitness could be guaranteed for three quarters of a season then It could even be argued that a striker isn't really needed, given the successful emergence of Bunn. I think you just want us to sign players for the sake of it.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 29, 2014 12:31:38 GMT 1
Am I right in thinking robinson has also played at RB? Given we dont have any fit i wouldnt be surprised if we brought him in to cover there until smith or pelts are back, then as competition for dixon.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 29, 2014 12:32:16 GMT 1
Love the video on YouTube where he tells Suarez to fuck off! Sorry can't upload on my fone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:40:29 GMT 1
Love the video on YouTube where he tells Suarez to fuck off! Sorry can't upload on my fone. You mean the one where an England Under 21 international slices a ball in to the crowd
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 29, 2014 12:43:07 GMT 1
Love the video on YouTube where he tells Suarez to fuck off! Sorry can't upload on my fone. You mean the one where an England Under 21 international slices a ball in to the crowd That's the one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 14:03:26 GMT 1
We don't even have a full complement of first choice strikers and centre backs for fill the positions, let alone adequate backup! So 4 CB's that are all capable first team performers isn't enough? Also we have more than enough strikers, just not the right ones, If Vaughan's fitness could be guaranteed for three quarters of a season then It could even be argued that a striker isn't really needed, given the successful emergence of Bunn. I think you just want us to sign players for the sake of it. 4 centre backs capable of first team performances? Go on..... Gerrard yes, but injured (0), Lynch (1)....Wallace isn't and shouldn't be a first choice CB, only cover (0), Smith is a RB (0) and Peltier is pants as a CB (0). Who are the other 3, I only count 1 fit capable CB. As for more than enough strikers, we're talking first choice, 1st team strikers, of who only Wells is reliably fit and capable. Vaughan isn't reliable enough and you're surely not adding Stead to this vast list of reliable first choice strikers are you? Bunn may add to the list if we see a bit more of him, but for now, I wouldn't automatically have him down as a first choice striker.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 29, 2014 14:22:57 GMT 1
Saying Lynch and especially Gerrard are not good quality centre backs at this level is garbage mate. Both are. Ive had plenty of doubts about wallace but his performances this season have changed my view on him quite a bit. He's still very young but think we're starting to see the potential that we and other clubs saw in him when he broke through in Scotland and made him an expensive signing. he was excellent against forest. If he maintains that form then we have 3 centre backs who are good quality at this level, plus Smith who i rate highly at full back and is supposed to be more of a centre back in truth. Yes we could do with an extra option in an ideal world, but people make out its this desperate gaping hole in our squad, and it simply isn't. Gerrard is a decent Champ CB, Lynch is our best CB and if he didn't decide to have his bipolar moments whould be a quality Champ CB, Wallace is not yet a decent Champ CB and in 2014 has had a lot more bad games than good. I maintain you need 2 players for every position and in defence we don't. Look at this weekend both our right backs are most likely injured and so is Gerrard so we are down to bare bones which will lead to either a LB or Coady having to play out of position at RB. We released Clarke and have yet to replace him. To compete in the Championship you need strength in depth in all area and in defence we don't. Also we already have one of the worst defensive records this season, so unlike last season you can't wheel out "we've got the 7th best defensive record in the championship" like you did for half a season. Quite simply we need a top notch CB. Take all that on board, ( except gerrards our best centre back, not Lynch ) , and yes i agree that another option in that role would be ideal. But people are saying its an absolute priority number 1. It isn't IMO. Gerrard will be back soon hopefully, and then it isn't an issue at all if everyone stays fit. Big 'if' I know. Had he been playing we wouldn't have conceded anything like the amount of goals we have so far. He was easily our best defender last season and only just behind Clayton as our best overall player IMO, so has been a massive miss. But that said wallace has come in and looked very good. early days for him but if he can maintain it then we will have a 3rd quality CB there. Then theres smith. If fit and on form, those 4 between them represent 2 players for each position that are good enough for this division. I do take the point though that Lynch is likely to miss half the season with weird injuries or stupidly earned suspensions, but IMO thats not an immediate issue. Striker is the main priority as far as Im concerned.
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