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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 7, 2015 19:55:17 GMT 1
And what do you know, the worst waiting times for ten years are announced ! The reason: Too many people on a small island which is becoming more insignificant as the years go by. Most importantly, not enough of them paying tax, or rather not enough of them paying enough tax! |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 7, 2015 20:54:50 GMT 1
And what do you know, the worst waiting times for ten years are announced ! The reason: Too many people on a small island which is becoming more insignificant as the years go by. Most importantly, not enough of them paying tax, or rather not enough of them paying enough tax! Partly, and also other parts of the nhs having their budgets slashed so more people are swamping the A&E departments. |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 7, 2015 20:56:08 GMT 1
And what do you know, the worst waiting times for ten years are announced ! But surely those figures are fiddled beyond all belief too?? Probably, it's more likely to be even worse than Hunt is letting on. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 7, 2015 21:04:51 GMT 1
I am.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 7, 2015 21:14:00 GMT 1
But surely those figures are fiddled beyond all belief too?? Probably, it's more likely to be even worse than Hunt is letting on.  No, those figures are just made up. The truth is waiting times for operations now are so short, they write to you with your surgery date before you even know you're ill. See, I can do it too!!  |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 7, 2015 21:43:01 GMT 1
Probably, it's more likely to be even worse than Hunt is letting on. No, those figures are just made up. The truth is waiting times for operations now are so short, they write to you with your surgery date before you even know you're ill. See, I can do it too!! They would, if they could afford a pen under this lot. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 7, 2015 21:49:55 GMT 1
Well they can afford 30,000 more doctors than there was in 2010 !!
If only we had the labour party taking charge of the economy again eh?!! suicide
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Post by DeepSpace on Apr 7, 2015 21:54:45 GMT 1
Well they can afford 30,000 more doctors than there was in 2010 !! If only we had the labour party taking charge of the economy again eh?!! suicide How long do you think it takes to train a doctor? Who do you think started the process that has delivered them? Labour introduced a significant increase in the number of medical training places several years ago so it's somewhat disingenuous for the Tories to claim that as a success for themselves. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 7, 2015 21:57:02 GMT 1
Well they can afford 30,000 more doctors than there was in 2010 !! If only we had the labour party taking charge of the economy again eh?!! suicide How long do you think it takes to train a doctor? Who do you think started the process that has delivered them? Labour introduced a significant increase in the number of medical training places several years ago so it's somewhat disingenuous for the Tories to claim that as a success for themselves. The universities of whichever country they came from. |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 7, 2015 22:01:54 GMT 1
How long do you think it takes to train a doctor? Who do you think started the process that has delivered them? Labour introduced a significant increase in the number of medical training places several years ago so it's somewhat disingenuous for the Tories to claim that as a success for themselves. The universities of whichever country they came from. After Thatcher closed all but one training hospital. |
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Post by DeepSpace on Apr 7, 2015 22:02:28 GMT 1
How long do you think it takes to train a doctor? Who do you think started the process that has delivered them? Labour introduced a significant increase in the number of medical training places several years ago so it's somewhat disingenuous for the Tories to claim that as a success for themselves. The universities of whichever country they came from. Get on Google & look up medical training places you'll quickly see that Labour created a sizeable number of new training places. Some 'overseas' doctor have come through that process but the strategy (essentially requiring around a decade of investment) has had an impact). |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 7, 2015 22:15:25 GMT 1
Berties already explained to me that any figures I find on google aren't to be believed. Although if that one makes Labour look good i think Im allowed to accept them as true.
So as a basic rule of thumb- we blame Thatcher for anything bad that happened during the previous labour government , and we praise the last labour government for anything good thats happened during this Tory government?
Oh, and we hammer that home by believing any obviously made up ludicrous stat that make the tories look bad, but rubbishing any official stats that make the tories look good.
Ain't politics great.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 7, 2015 22:26:34 GMT 1
Labour is great at spending more to get less! GP Doctors got a 30% payrise under Labour and managed to somehow get a deal that only sees them work Monday - Friday regular hours (no home call outs or weekend work anymore) Also why is a UK GP paid £120k plus a year and a French GP £80k Are French Doctors less qualified or UK GPS overpaid? blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/02/are-british-doctors-paid-too-much/ |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 7, 2015 22:30:45 GMT 1
Berties already explained to me that any figures I find on google aren't to be believed. Although if that one makes Labour look good i think Im allowed to accept them as true. So as a basic rule of thumb- we blame Thatcher for anything bad that happened during the previous labour government , and we praise the last labour government for anything good thats happened during this Tory government? Oh, and we hammer that home by believing any obviously made up ludicrous stat that make the tories look bad, but rubbishing any official stats that make the tories look good. Ain't politics great. And if there's no suitable stats just shout "Tories are all Eton set" loudly and repeatedly - like someones background has any relevance at all when looking at policy or record in Government! |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 7, 2015 22:38:24 GMT 1
Berties already explained to me that any figures I find on google aren't to be believed. Although if that one makes Labour look good i think Im allowed to accept them as true. So as a basic rule of thumb- we blame Thatcher for anything bad that happened during the previous labour government , and we praise the last labour government for anything good thats happened during this Tory government? Oh, and we hammer that home by believing any obviously made up ludicrous stat that make the tories look bad, but rubbishing any official stats that make the tories look good. Ain't politics great. Why I don't vote; Tories don't spend when they should (in a recession and during recovery) Labour spends when it shouldn't (when the economy is healthy). Other parties - pointless. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 22:42:32 GMT 1
I'll shamelessly re-post this one as I think I might have posted it earlier in the thread??
Anyway, it is a Labour conference speech and the point is fairly obvious but taking your political specs off for a moment there's surely a case for all of us normal folk to try and make sure that whoever gets in, they protect what is a fantastic public service for us all...
The NHS is not perfect and never will be given that it's (apparently) the largest employer in the country. Equally there will always be limitations to its capabilities because of some aspects being delegated locally. Any organisation that big will have its challenges and will of course be a political football for many yrs to come, but privatising the NHS will be the biggest loss and travesty of all the privatisations. Labour are not without blame on some things NHS either...
Remember the media will generally prefer a negative angle to any story, hence the NHS being in the news daily for something or other, yet the countless good it does won't get reported on because it's not controversial enough for the newspapers and media channels...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 22:53:55 GMT 1
At least Miliband isn't third way. The Blairite Labour Party has been cast into history. Miliband's policies are a stepping stone, vote for him and we will make progress.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Apr 7, 2015 23:04:14 GMT 1
At least Miliband isn't third way. The Blairite Labour Party has been cast into history. Miliband's policies are a stepping stone, vote for him and we will make progress. Progress indeed. Back to the bad old days of unions calling the shots and the deficit shooting up again to fund it all. One more thing to consider for all those with mortgages and loans. The money markets are likely to look very dimly on a tax and spend Labour government so expect pressure on the £ which could well mean an interest rate rise. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 23:13:08 GMT 1
At least Miliband isn't third way. The Blairite Labour Party has been cast into history. Miliband's policies are a stepping stone, vote for him and we will make progress. Progress indeed. Back to the bad old days of unions calling the shots and the deficit shooting up again to fund it all. One more thing to consider for all those with mortgages and loans. The money markets are likely to look very dimly on a tax and spend Labour government so expect pressure on the £ which could well mean an interest rate rise. Bollocks to your Thatcherite rhetoric. Union's are no different to multi-nationals. Both can 'call the shots', one can protect the people, the other protects the few. I don't accept your comment on Sterling. Sterling is a barrier to international trade. My mortgage/financial situation would benefit by a switch to the Euro. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 7, 2015 23:20:13 GMT 1
Do you own a business that prints Euro notes? Im struggling to see who else would benefit?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 23:37:27 GMT 1
Progress indeed. Back to the bad old days of unions calling the shots and the deficit shooting up again to fund it all. One more thing to consider for all those with mortgages and loans. The money markets are likely to look very dimly on a tax and spend Labour government so expect pressure on the £ which could well mean an interest rate rise. Bollocks to your Thatcherite rhetoric. Union's are no different to multi-nationals. Both can 'call the shots', one can protect the people, the other protects the few. I don't accept your comment on Sterling. Sterling is a barrier to international trade. My mortgage/financial situation would benefit by a switch to the Euro. Unions are no different to multinationals? Yeah right, Macdonald's go on strike, the chavs starve. So what? When under pensioned "firefighters" (snooker players), under holidayed teachers and underpaid Tube drivers let their Unions blackmail the country, working folk foot the bill. Union scum.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 0:15:24 GMT 1
Bollocks to your Thatcherite rhetoric. Union's are no different to multi-nationals. Both can 'call the shots', one can protect the people, the other protects the few. I don't accept your comment on Sterling. Sterling is a barrier to international trade. My mortgage/financial situation would benefit by a switch to the Euro. Unions are no different to multinationals? Yeah right, Macdonald's go on strike, the chavs starve. So what? When under pensioned "firefighters" (snooker players), under holidayed teachers and underpaid Tube drivers let their Unions blackmail the country, working folk foot the bill. Union scum. I appreciate your sarcasm. We both know that I was referring to political influence rather than National importance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 9:30:08 GMT 1
Bollocks to your Thatcherite rhetoric. Union's are no different to multi-nationals. Both can 'call the shots', one can protect the people, the other protects the few. I don't accept your comment on Sterling. Sterling is a barrier to international trade. My mortgage/financial situation would benefit by a switch to the Euro. Unions are no different to multinationals? Yeah right, Macdonald's go on strike, the chavs starve. So what? When under pensioned "firefighters" (snooker players), under holidayed teachers and underpaid Tube drivers let their Unions blackmail the country, working folk foot the bill. Union scum. I genuinely hope there is sarcasm in this post,otherwise you've sunk to an all time low. Calling firefighters snooker players? God help you if you ever need to be pulled out of a burning car wreck. Teachers? - I can only assume you've not got any kids... Union Scum - I think you need to seriously take a look in the mirror at the bigger picture. You sound extremely small minded to me... |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 8, 2015 10:45:43 GMT 1
Berties already explained to me that any figures I find on google aren't to be believed. Although if that one makes Labour look good i think Im allowed to accept them as true. So as a basic rule of thumb- we blame Thatcher for anything bad that happened during the previous labour government , and we praise the last labour government for anything good thats happened during this Tory government? Oh, and we hammer that home by believing any obviously made up ludicrous stat that make the tories look bad, but rubbishing any official stats that make the tories look good. Ain't politics great. Why I don't vote; Tories don't spend when they should (in a recession and during recovery) Labour spends when it shouldn't (when the economy is healthy). For me, that's exactly when we SHOULD be spending. The last set of tories let the schools crumble around the kids ears, Gordon Brown was right to rebuild or refurbish all the countries crumbling primary schools while the country had some money. I don't think anyone could foresee the american banks dragging the world into recession. |
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Post by trailingleg on Apr 8, 2015 10:55:38 GMT 1
Bollocks to your Thatcherite rhetoric. Union's are no different to multi-nationals. Both can 'call the shots', one can protect the people, the other protects the few. I don't accept your comment on Sterling. Sterling is a barrier to international trade. My mortgage/financial situation would benefit by a switch to the Euro. Unions are no different to multinationals? Yeah right, Macdonald's go on strike, the chavs starve. So what? When under pensioned "firefighters" (snooker players), under holidayed teachers and underpaid Tube drivers let their Unions blackmail the country, working folk foot the bill. Union scum. : And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the true face of Britain today. Abandon hope. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 8, 2015 11:33:51 GMT 1
Labour is great at spending more to get less! GP Doctors got a 30% payrise under Labour and managed to somehow get a deal that only sees them work Monday - Friday regular hours (no home call outs or weekend work anymore) Also why is a UK GP paid £120k plus a year and a French GP £80k Are French Doctors less qualified or UK GPS overpaid? blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/02/are-british-doctors-paid-too-much/....and still nobody wants to do the job! ....and of course they are not employed by the NHS - so they are privatised - does it matter? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 12:50:12 GMT 1
Unions are no different to multinationals? Yeah right, Macdonald's go on strike, the chavs starve. So what? When under pensioned "firefighters" (snooker players), under holidayed teachers and underpaid Tube drivers let their Unions blackmail the country, working folk foot the bill. Union scum. I genuinely hope there is sarcasm in this post,otherwise you've sunk to an all time low. Calling firefighters snooker players? God help you if you ever need to be pulled out of a burning car wreck. Teachers? - I can only assume you've not got any kids... Union Scum - I think you need to seriously take a look in the mirror at the bigger picture. You sound extremely small minded to me... Nope, I don't like unions not living in the real world and holding the country to ransom because they're stuck in the dark ages. Firefighters outraged at being asked to work over 55 for a full pension?! Most people in the real world will work for 50 years and spend less than 20 in retirement, not work for less years than they spend in retirement. All this bull about it being a physical job and not possible over 55 is cobblers. I see bricklayers and scaffolders working a lot longer than that, people are staying fitter later in life. As for it being dangerous, HGV driving is statistically more dangerous. They provide a good service when they're not on strike, but it's time to live in the real world of pension affordability and reality, which most unions don't understand. |
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Post by ligament on Apr 8, 2015 12:56:44 GMT 1
Aahh Gordon Brown the man that sold off all our china knew what was coming and still left fek all in the kitty for a rainy day he was the biggest banker going.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 13:37:27 GMT 1
I genuinely hope there is sarcasm in this post,otherwise you've sunk to an all time low. Calling firefighters snooker players? God help you if you ever need to be pulled out of a burning car wreck. Teachers? - I can only assume you've not got any kids... Union Scum - I think you need to seriously take a look in the mirror at the bigger picture. You sound extremely small minded to me... Nope, I don't like unions not living in the real world and holding the country to ransom because they're stuck in the dark ages. Firefighters outraged at being asked to work over 55 for a full pension?! Most people in the real world will work for 50 years and spend less than 20 in retirement, not work for less years than they spend in retirement. All this bull about it being a physical job and not possible over 55 is cobblers. I see bricklayers and scaffolders working a lot longer than that, people are staying fitter later in life. As for it being dangerous, HGV driving is statistically more dangerous. They provide a good service when they're not on strike, but it's time to live in the real world of pension affordability and reality, which most unions don't understand. Would you be prepared to let us know your age Marcus, what industry you're in & what pension provision you have? I'm not a fireman BTW & I'm not naive enough to think that every firefighter supports the FBU, but think that some of the more recently introduced fitness tests and extension of the age for gaining a full pension is just another cynical ploy by the Govt to reduce their pension liability. Imagine if you were in your late 40's or early fifties and all of a sudden you realise you've another 5yrs to do in order to get the full benefits of a pension that you've been paying into for donkeys yrs (commonly known as moving the goalposts & in scenarios like this is pretty unethical). There are plenty of people outside the public sector, who through privatisation of many yrs ago, find themselves in gold plated pension schemes, but as they're now actually private sector workers they remain under the radar but I can guarantee you they are just as lazy, feckless and useless as some of the less able public sector workers... I genuinely wish you no ill will Marcus but god forbid the day if you do come into some bad luck & hard times in your life. Your perspective may change... |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 8, 2015 14:35:27 GMT 1
At least Miliband isn't third way. The Blairite Labour Party has been cast into history. Miliband's policies are a stepping stone, vote for him and we will make progress. Progress indeed. Back to the bad old days of unions calling the shots and the deficit shooting up again to fund it all. One more thing to consider for all those with mortgages and loans. The money markets are likely to look very dimly on a tax and spend Labour government so expect pressure on the £ which could well mean an interest rate rise. And another thing to consider is that Ed Milliband is a Leeds fan. (He's also an atheist, so not all bad) |
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