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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 14:44:56 GMT 1
At least i know i didnt overreact with my name calling of you Marcus, i pity you fool!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 23:18:28 GMT 1
Nah, Town are Lib Dem....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 23:29:05 GMT 1
At least i know i didnt overreact with my name calling of you Marcus, i pity you fool! You don't agree with anyone who doesn't agree with your left wing w4nkfest really do you? |
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Post by DeepSpace on Apr 9, 2015 6:49:31 GMT 1
You don't agree with anyone who doesn't agree with your left wing w4nkfest really do you? An interesting use of tautology there...in debating terms that's sort of like throwing on a striker in the 90th minute when you're getting battered to make it look like you're still trying to win. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 9, 2015 10:57:44 GMT 1
Nah, Town are Lib Dem.... Labour would never mix football and politics ... I mean did Harold Wilson ever mention that he supported Town  |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 9, 2015 11:04:16 GMT 1
Nah, Town are Lib Dem.... Labour would never mix football and politics ... I mean did Harold Wilson ever mention that he supported Town He even mentioned that the £ bought you more in the Town shop ! |
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Post by terrier5 on Apr 9, 2015 11:34:15 GMT 1
Deepspace, Grandad Berty, detox et al... you are wasting your time trying to reason with someone of marcusd's intelligence and it's probably best to call time on this thread. He's hell-bent on voting for whomever Rupert Murdoch tells him to and no amount of balanced discussion will change that...
I tried explaining on a previous thread some time ago that the problem re unions in this country is that they don't have enough power, not that they have too much. When they go on strike it is not because working people are inherently evil or greedy - it's because striking is a measure of last resort since the existing power structures do not allow them sufficient voice.
Compare the industrial history over the last generation or 2, of Germany and GB: Germany has a strong, productive and well balanced economy and boardrooms have workforce representation around the table. GB has drifted, since the '80s, to this extreme neoliberal environment whereby working people have been gradually brainwashed into believing that their interests coincide with the interests of the rich & powerful.
Politics and the economy need to be turned around to represent people, not corporations. A case in point is the bewildering spectacle of a government brazenly reneging on its financial obligations (eg pensions) to retain AAA* creditworthiness rating from those shysters at Moody's, Standard & Poor etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 11:51:26 GMT 1
Deepspace, Grandad Berty, detox et al... you are wasting your time trying to reason with someone of marcusd's intelligence and it's probably best to call time on this thread. He's hell-bent on voting for whomever Rupert Murdoch tells him to and no amount of balanced discussion will change that... I tried explaining on a previous thread some time ago that the problem re unions in this country is that they don't have enough power, not that they have too much. When they go on strike it is not because working people are inherently evil or greedy - it's because striking is a measure of last resort since the existing power structures do not allow them sufficient voice. Compare the industrial history over the last generation or 2, of Germany and GB: Germany has a strong, productive and well balanced economy and boardrooms have workforce representation around the table. GB has drifted, since the '80s, to this extreme neoliberal environment whereby working people have been gradually brainwashed into believing that their interests coincide with the interests of the rich & powerful. Politics and the economy need to be turned around to represent people, not corporations. A case in point is the bewildering spectacle of a government brazenly reneging on its financial obligations (eg pensions) to retain AAA* creditworthiness rating from those shysters at Moody's, Standard & Poor etc. Spoken like a true socialist - "I'm right, everyone else is an idiot".... |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 9, 2015 12:14:47 GMT 1
Nah, Town are Lib Dem.... I'm a bit concerned about what's coming out of that guy's head |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 9, 2015 12:22:25 GMT 1
Nah, Town are Lib Dem.... I'm a bit concerned about what's coming out of that guy's head Has he asked for a strongbow ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 9, 2015 12:42:49 GMT 1
Nah, Town are Lib Dem.... I'm a bit concerned about what's coming out of that guy's head Its to keep him on message. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 13:24:30 GMT 1
At least i know i didnt overreact with my name calling of you Marcus, i pity you fool! You don't agree with anyone who doesn't agree with your left wing w4nkfest really do you? I dont but into this left right bollocks to be honest...were as you probably base your own opinions around being a right wing advocate, much more sensible to treat each subject individually. Great post terrier5 but some idiots still listen to these politicions unfortunately. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 9, 2015 13:32:59 GMT 1
Bollocks to your Thatcherite rhetoric. Union's are no different to multi-nationals.  Both can 'call the shots', one can protect the people, the other protects the few. I don't accept your comment on Sterling. Sterling is a barrier to international trade. My mortgage/financial situation would benefit by a switch to the Euro. Unions are no different to multinationals? Yeah right, Macdonald's go on strike, the chavs starve. So what? When under pensioned "firefighters" (snooker players), under holidayed teachers and underpaid Tube drivers let their Unions blackmail the country, working folk foot the bill. Union scum.  If you don't control your own currency, you're pretty screwed when the sticky brown stuff hits the fan. The Euro will be set at what's best for those countries that use it as a whole - but the needs for one country may be very different to those in another. I don't get sentimental about the £ - if I thought we'd be better off in the Euro then I'd back it, but I just don't think we would be. Whilst I accept that a single currency may have advantages in international trade, I just think the risks are too high. FWIW, I also hope for more emphasis on shopping locally. Making it easier to trade with some faceless individual 2000 miles away doesn't excite me as much as forging relationships with local suppliers/communities. As for teachers - people are leaving the teaching profession in droves. They're crying out for great teachers to do the job. If you think it's such a cushy life, why not get yourself on the gravy train? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 14:10:41 GMT 1
Deepspace, Grandad Berty, detox et al... you are wasting your time trying to reason with someone of marcusd's intelligence and it's probably best to call time on this thread. He's hell-bent on voting for whomever Rupert Murdoch tells him to and no amount of balanced discussion will change that... I tried explaining on a previous thread some time ago that the problem re unions in this country is that they don't have enough power, not that they have too much. When they go on strike it is not because working people are inherently evil or greedy - it's because striking is a measure of last resort since the existing power structures do not allow them sufficient voice. Compare the industrial history over the last generation or 2, of Germany and GB: Germany has a strong, productive and well balanced economy and boardrooms have workforce representation around the table. GB has drifted, since the '80s, to this extreme neoliberal environment whereby working people have been gradually brainwashed into believing that their interests coincide with the interests of the rich & powerful. Politics and the economy need to be turned around to represent people, not corporations. A case in point is the bewildering spectacle of a government brazenly reneging on its financial obligations (eg pensions) to retain AAA* creditworthiness rating from those shysters at Moody's, Standard & Poor etc. Spoken like a true socialist - "I'm right, everyone else is an idiot".... You need to stop posting such well thought out and reasoned responses Marcus. Insightful some would say... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 15:06:17 GMT 1
Spoken like a true socialist - "I'm right, everyone else is an idiot".... You need to stop posting such well thought out and reasoned responses Marcus. Insightful some would say... Perhaps he should actually read The Guardian rather than The Sun. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 9, 2015 15:08:03 GMT 1
Union reps and officials??? is it obligatory to be scouse/Geordie or Scottish???
the unions along with the bosses still haven't got over the public perceptions formed in the 70s and 80s..
I refer you to the 'not the nine o clock news sketch'...
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 9, 2015 15:25:04 GMT 1
Union reps and officials??? is it obligatory to be scouse/Geordie or Scottish??? the unions along with the bosses still haven't got over the public perceptions formed in the 70s and 80s.. I refer you to the 'not the nine o clock news sketch'... He was available for work on a 24 hour shift rota Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 9, 2015 15:45:22 GMT 1
SSSIs? Why? Statutory protection. (That's if you're talking about Sites of Special Scientific Interest.) I can barely recall any development on such sites. Moreover, the eco-lobby is very strong. Yes, I mean Sites of Special Scientific Interest. I'm not sure how strong the eco-lobby is tbh. I realise that many people care about the environment, but that's generally in a fairly vague way. Environmental issues are often more complex than many people realise and unless there's something particularly "catchy" with dramatic, memorable imagery or slogans then it struggles to gain support. The Animal Rights lobby on the other hand have the ability to produce very dramatic imagery to further their cause. There are already groups of AR pushing for labour party re-election - they seem pretty confident of getting their way. When I typed the post that you responded to, it was based upon little more than rumour amongst the AR community. Look what popped up in my news feed today about the SSSI at Ilkley Moor: www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/12879998.Group_leads_charge_to_aid_hunted_birds/I don't expect for one minute that a labour government would ever announce that they didn't care about SSSIs, or that they wanted rid of them. They'd probably word it in a very similar way to the (shockingly biased imo) article in the T&A. They won't mention wanting rid of the SSSI status on Ilkley Moor. They just want rid of the grouse shooting. Fair enough, except it's the management of the land for grouse shooting, that provides the habitat for the wildlife that made it an SSSI in the first place! |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 9, 2015 16:16:27 GMT 1
SSSIs? Why? Statutory protection. (That's if you're talking about Sites of Special Scientific Interest.) I can barely recall any development on such sites. Moreover, the eco-lobby is very strong. Yes, I mean Sites of Special Scientific Interest. I'm not sure how strong the eco-lobby is tbh. I realise that many people care about the environment, but that's generally in a fairly vague way. Environmental issues are often more complex than many people realise and unless there's something particularly "catchy" with dramatic, memorable imagery or slogans then it struggles to gain support. The Animal Rights lobby on the other hand have the ability to produce very dramatic imagery to further their cause. There are already groups of AR pushing for labour party re-election - they seem pretty confident of getting their way. When I typed the post that you responded to, it was based upon little more than rumour amongst the AR community. Look what popped up in my news feed today about the SSSI at Ilkley Moor: www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/12879998.Group_leads_charge_to_aid_hunted_birds/I don't expect for one minute that a labour government would ever announce that they didn't care about SSSIs, or that they wanted rid of them. They'd probably word it in a very similar way to the (shockingly biased imo) article in the T&A. They won't mention wanting rid of the SSSI status on Ilkley Moor. They just want rid of the grouse shooting. Fair enough, except it's the management of the land for grouse shooting, that provides the habitat for the wildlife that made it an SSSI in the first place! It'll be the fish next - don't vote for them. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 9, 2015 16:22:37 GMT 1
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Post by artysid on Apr 9, 2015 16:24:37 GMT 1
I think he's trying to reel in the floating voters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 17:05:27 GMT 1
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 9, 2015 18:30:54 GMT 1
I was codding but a few years back there was a environmentalist lobby to ban fishing. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 9, 2015 18:53:59 GMT 1
I was codding but a few years back there was a environmentalist lobby to ban fishing. Environmentalist? Are you sure they weren't just environmentalists? Seems strange for an environmental group to lobby against recreational fishing. Looking at how many rivers have been cleaned up due to pressure from the angling community, that would be a very strange move. Industrial scale trawling is a completely different kettle of.. er.. you know. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 9, 2015 19:39:49 GMT 1
I was codding but a few years back there was a environmentalist lobby to ban fishing. Environmentalist? Are you sure they weren't just environmentalists? Seems strange for an environmental group to lobby against recreational fishing. Looking at how many rivers have been cleaned up due to pressure from the angling community, that would be a very strange move. Industrial scale trawling is a completely different kettle of.. er.. you know. Maybe it was Animal Rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 19:52:07 GMT 1
You need to stop posting such well thought out and reasoned responses Marcus. Insightful some would say... Perhaps he should actually read The Guardian rather than The Sun. If you'd have paid attention, I don't buy any newspapers due to political bias. The Gaurdian is about as impartial as The Daily Mail and it's comments should be treated with the same disdain that socialists pour out to anyone who dares to read a right of centre paper. The problem with UK politics is that most of it is aired through biased media, to people who can't think for themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 19:59:56 GMT 1
Perhaps he should actually read The Guardian rather than The Sun. If you'd have paid attention, I don't buy any newspapers due to political bias. The Gaurdian is about as impartial as The Daily Mail and it's comments should be treated with the same disdain that socialists pour out to anyone who dares to read a right of centre paper. The problem with UK politics is that most of it is aired through biased media, to people who can't think for themselves. Thank god for the independent BBC. Although some would argue it's left and right at times - it's the sort of impartiality that many in other countries would crave. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 9, 2015 20:06:00 GMT 1
The Guardian is just the Socialist Worker, but for better educated middle income folk with a bleeding conscience and their heads firmly buried in the sand.
Like most papers, left or right, when it comes to politics its good for toilet paper and nothing else.
As for unions, they remind me a bit of religion- Served a worthwhile purpose at one time but do more harm than good nowadays.
Most union leaders come across as even more self-serving than your average politician!
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 9, 2015 20:09:49 GMT 1
Environmentalist? Are you sure they weren't just environmentalists? Seems strange for an environmental group to lobby against recreational fishing. Looking at how many rivers have been cleaned up due to pressure from the angling community, that would be a very strange move. Industrial scale trawling is a completely different kettle of.. er.. you know. Maybe it was Animal Rights. That's a lot more likely. You'll still find members of the Hunt Saboteurs Association taking "direct action" against people fishing by a canal or riverbank (although it's not their highest priority, it does still happen). |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 9, 2015 20:11:07 GMT 1
The Guardian is just the Socialist Worker, but for better educated middle income folk with a bleeding conscience and their heads firmly buried in the sand. Like most papers, left or right, when it comes to politics its good for toilet paper and nothing else. As for unions, they remind me a bit of religion- Served a worthwhile purpose at one time but do more harm than good nowadays. Most union leaders come across as even more self-serving than your average politician! If you like having your arse grey with newsprint. |
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