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Post by detox on Mar 19, 2015 20:17:47 GMT 1
Election bumph through the letter box from local Tory MP Jason McCartney today.....including photo of Dean Hoyle and supportive write up from Andy Booth... is this why we wear blue... Are Town a Tory club...might this explain the dissonance with 'working class' fans ?
Blooming Tories.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 20:20:07 GMT 1
I don't live in the area, but follow him on twitter along with Barry Sheerman just for a nosey.
McCartney seems decent and a good MP. Sheerman comes across as a plank...
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 19, 2015 20:22:50 GMT 1
Even with his wealth,
I'd be surprised if Dean is a tory barsteward.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 19, 2015 20:31:08 GMT 1
I don't live in the area, but follow him on twitter along with Barry Sheerman just for a nosey. McCartney seems decent and a good MP. Sheerman comes across as a plank... Even if he is a good mp, he's still a Tory and I'm not too impressed that Town have allowed this kind if thing to happen, not good PR. Working class town, working class fan base, safe Labour seat...come on Town ffs. |
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 19, 2015 20:33:05 GMT 1
We were the same colours under Our 'Arold ...
It wouldn't surprise me if football club owners and footballers/ex-footballers voted Tory. I'm always surprised on the political discussions on this very board that most contributors appear to be right-wing (as I'd consider Huddersfield a working-class town and traditionally Labour stronghold).
This could be a long thread.
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Post by detox on Mar 19, 2015 20:33:36 GMT 1
jason is an okay guy,but he voted for the bedroom tax, and many other austerity measures, so for me I hope he's out after May. Am a bit surprised Town have allowed themselves to become involved in the political debate though..
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 19, 2015 20:34:37 GMT 1
We were the same colours under Our 'Arold ... It wouldn't surprise me if football club owners and footballers/ex-footballers voted Tory. I'm always surprised on the political discussions on this very board that most contributors appear to be right-wing (as I'd consider Huddersfield a working-class town and traditionally Labour stronghold). This could be a long thread. Yeah right wing on immigrants but I bet they aren't overly right wing on other things...don't let the Captain see this thread. |
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Post by wtd on Mar 19, 2015 20:36:33 GMT 1
I'd be amazed if the club have actively aligned themselves to a political party... amazed!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 20:39:59 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class?
No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland.
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 19, 2015 20:41:28 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. You don't have to Mel. We live in a democracy. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 19, 2015 20:42:05 GMT 1
I'd be amazed if the club have actively aligned themselves to a political party... amazed! They shouldn't be aligning themselves to any but letting Boothy write some spiel for a Tory MP is a right own goal given the 'working classness' of the town and its fanbase. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 19, 2015 20:44:06 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. You don't, you can vote for who you want, but if you have working class/left wing beliefs you won't be voting Tory, your conscience won't allow it. Vote Lib Dem. To be honest, they're all the same now, all the parties are 'centre' now, with Labour only slightly to the left and the Lib Dems even less to the left. |
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Post by detox on Mar 19, 2015 20:44:48 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. Nobody who isn't a millionaire has any reason to vote Tory. People who do,and put the Tories in Govt, are just laughed at by the elitist rich tax dodging lying cheating sneering coke snorting  henry Tory Tw*ts... never understood working class people voting Tory...must be a snobbish thing ? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 19, 2015 20:46:24 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. Nobody who isn't a millionaire has any reason to vote Tory. People who do,and put the Tories in Govt, are just laughed at by the elitist rich tax dodging lying cheating sneering coke snorting henry Tory Tw*ts... never understood working class people voting Tory...must be a snobbish thing ? Rabble rousing against the Tories...hurrah. |
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Post by iangreaves on Mar 19, 2015 20:46:39 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. It's the old, "My dad voted Labour and his dad voted Labour and my grandad's dad voted Labour mantra." It's easier than thinking for yourselfand realising that Labour politicians are exactly the same as those from the other parties who have screwed the country over the last few decades. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 20:47:23 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say  |
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Post by royrace on Mar 19, 2015 20:50:16 GMT 1
I'd be amazed if the club have actively aligned themselves to a political party... amazed! They shouldn't be aligning themselves to any but letting Boothy write some spiel for a Tory MP is a right own goal given the 'working classness' of the town and its fanbase. Working class vote labour do they and the middle-class Tory? Thanks for clearing that up. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 20:52:01 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say :) That's cos you're sensible. I'm voting tory on the basis that it will clearly piss off the left whingers on here. Its a good enough reason for me. Plus Milliband is a clown. |
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Post by DeepSpace on Mar 19, 2015 20:53:16 GMT 1
McCartney is just a professional photo-op careerist (the first time he stood for any election was actually for the Lib Dems in 2006, deciding he was a Tory & becoming a PPC for Colne Valley within the following 4 years). Town, real ale & whatever else he thinks makes him look like a good local lad in spite of being born in Harrogate & having gone to an upmarket school. I agree this is poor from Town. Even speaking as a politico, I think the club should stay out of appearing to endorse any politician or obviously political cause.
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Post by royrace on Mar 19, 2015 20:55:07 GMT 1
jason is an okay guy,but he voted for the bedroom tax, and many other austerity measures, so for me I hope he's out after May. Am a bit surprised Town have allowed themselves to become involved in the political debate though.. I didn't know there was a tax on bedrooms, this could change everything. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 19, 2015 20:55:26 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say Historically, its the working class mistrust of the Tories that is the problem. Sorry mate I can't relate to Cameron and Osborne, public school toffs, as soon as they open their mouths you know what they are about. At least Milliband went to a state school!! Thatcher laying waste to the North is still pretty fresh in the memory too of a lot of people, total betrayal of the North and working classes. Hillsborough too, Thatcher was quick to blame the fans with that prick puppet of hers Colin Moynihan dripping poison in her ear. |
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Post by pixie on Mar 19, 2015 20:56:11 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. Just what I was thinking. I was brought up in a very humble home. My dad always voted Labour and so did I until they abolished capital punishment. I've never seen any reason to return to Labour. Every time they're in power they seem to mess up the country's balance sheet and since Bliar's time (apart from illegal invasions that have lead to ISIS) there do not seem to be many working class Labour MPs. I'm no Tory either by the way. As many people realise there's not the thickness of a cigarette paper between LibLabCon. They're all mates behind the scenes, well mostly. |
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Post by rocky on Mar 19, 2015 20:56:28 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. Nobody who isn't a millionaire has any reason to vote Tory. People who do,and put the Tories in Govt, are just laughed at by the elitist rich tax dodging lying cheating sneering coke snorting henry Tory Tw*ts... never understood working class people voting Tory...must be a snobbish thing ? Probably because they're sick of Labour supporting 3rd generation benefit families & allowing immigration to spiral out of control, etc. etc. etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 20:57:23 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say That's cos you're sensible. Steady on, I still might vote for Labour yet.  |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 19, 2015 20:59:38 GMT 1
Nobody who isn't a millionaire has any reason to vote Tory. People who do,and put the Tories in Govt, are just laughed at by the elitist rich tax dodging lying cheating sneering coke snorting henry Tory Tw*ts... never understood working class people voting Tory...must be a snobbish thing ? Probably because they're sick of Labour supporting 3rd generation benefit families & allowing immigration to spiral out of control, etc. etc. etc. Yeah cos the Tories have curbed immigration haven't they? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:00:23 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. Just what I was thinking. I was brought up in a very humble home. My dad always voted Labour and so did I until they abolished capital punishment. I've never seen any reason to return to Labour. Every time they're in power they seem to mess up the country's balance sheet and since Bliar's time (apart from illegal invasions that have lead to ISIS) there do not seem to be many working class Labour MPs. I'm no Tory either by the way. As many people realise there's not the thickness of a cigarette paper between LibLabCon. They're all mates behind the scenes, well mostly. They're all the same as a rule Pixie, choosing your favourite over which school they went to is kinda stoopid really. I'm with FP, I vote for the ones that I feel the country needs at the time. It certainly wasn't Labour at the last election and I'm still not sure it is now. Dave has done a good job of getting the country back on its feet. |
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Post by detox on Mar 19, 2015 21:02:48 GMT 1
Why do you have to vote Labour if you live in a working class town, and are working class? No chance of me voting for Ed Verybland. I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say You could write exactly the same about Tory voters...but you didn't ? tbh, I don't think this is true any more..there's so much more info on the 'net for people to work out who says what ..I also disagree they are the same, Labour still tend to have workers conditions first, and social and welfare are a higher priority...whereas the Tories would sell everything off to private sector in return for the donations they make to Tory party funds.. Capitalism is destined to cause total disaster, leads to massive division between the have's and the have nots and by it's very nature is exploitative. At some stage it will all implode...and then the private yachts and jets will be heading off to the Bahamas while the rest of us stew in the mess that's left behind. opinions are divided, and some are stronger than others (amongst Town fans), so that's why I'm surpised the Town Ambassador has been linked to jason Mccartney's election campaign...surely not a clever idea for a football club in a working class town which is already losing dissaffected fans..? |
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Post by terrierng on Mar 19, 2015 21:02:50 GMT 1
I don't get it either Mel... Some people seem to vote Labour just because they were brought up to do so, without looking at factually why they are doing it. The old sociliast Labour ideals are long gone anyway, and they're not too dissimilar from The Tories on a few things these days. I'm a floating voter - I'll vote for who or what I think is the best for me and the countries needs at the time of en election. People aligning themselves with a political party irrespective of policy I find absolutely baffling... Labour could stick huge tax and energy hikes and a privitisation of the NHS on their manifesto, and yet half the people in the North would still vote for them regardless. Madness I say That's cos you're sensible. I'm voting tory on the basis that it will clearly piss off the left whingers on here. Its a good enough reason for me. Plus Milliband is a clown. That's cos your a millionaire ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:05:07 GMT 1
That's cos you're sensible. I'm voting tory on the basis that it will clearly piss off the left whingers on here. Its a good enough reason for me. Plus Milliband is a clown. That's cos your a millionaire ;D I wish. I got beat at Monopoly by my 5 year old yesterday |
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Post by townfan on Mar 19, 2015 21:06:24 GMT 1
Election bumph through the letter box from local Tory MP Jason McCartney today.....including photo of Dean Hoyle and supportive write up from Andy Booth... is this why we wear blue... Are Town a Tory club...might this explain the dissonance with 'working class' fans ? Blooming Tories..... I don't care what their political persuasion is, I support Town for the football not the politics. What Dean/Boothy do in this regards is their decision, it's what's called a democracy  |
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