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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:51:56 GMT 1
Go on then. Might as well. How much does an egg chasing fan pay to KSDL for putting his arse on the same seat? Probably with beer in hand too. I think they may pay even more, but I could be wrong. Wasn't that part of the problem with the shares situation. Davy tried to change the rental formula to save himself some coin, as the Giants are given a higher rental figure as they effectively use the stadium a lot less (fewer games in a season than us). |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jun 29, 2015 23:06:05 GMT 1
Well done Bradford. It's a bit sad that so many posters have attempted to undermine it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 23:21:07 GMT 1
Well done Bradford. It's a bit sad that so many posters have attempted to undermine it. Absolutely. Folk sneering that they prefer our model over theirs need to realise that ours has seen us go about £30M in the red since Mr Hoyle took over. That's not sustainable. Ergo, their model is better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 23:24:57 GMT 1
How is it better? We did it for one season and it didn't work. Not for us anyway. Why do you think we only did it for one season? Jeez.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 29, 2015 23:51:21 GMT 1
Presumably, part of the £3.21per person rental is going towards paying off the stadium and will reduce after 2021?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 30, 2015 0:08:07 GMT 1
It will probably remain, but as KSDL will then be a profit making business that can pay out dividends to its shareholders, HTFC as 40% owner will get a big dividend that it can offset those stadium costs against- basically meaning we use the stadium for free ( maybe even make some money out of it). Thats always been my understanding of how it was intended to work anyway.
Thats why it was imperative for the long term future of the club to get our share back from davy, otherwise we'd just have been a paying tenant for ever whilst he ( and his descendants ) pocketed the dividend.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 30, 2015 0:48:09 GMT 1
Well done Bradford. It's a bit sad that so many posters have attempted to undermine it. I agree and I find their marketing campaign interesting. They seem to be appealing to the West Yorkshire public rather than just Bradford itself. Long standing fans of other Clubs are long standing fans and they of course will not swap allegiance. What about those though that don't really have a local Club or perhaps associate themselves with a Premier League Club such as say Chelsea because they win and think they may give local football a try based on the no-brainer financial lay-out. For the first time ever, some Parents for financial reasons will be able to look forward to having season tickets for the whole family, never previously enjoyed because quite simply the money needed to be spent elsewhere based on usual season ticket costs. As a short term strategy, I am not sure if the finances stack-up in terms of making money. However, as a longer term strategy looking at the bigger picture, the Club I think will be securing some new support, new support that will also come from areas such as Brighouse, support that could have ended up following another West Yorkshire Club. By the way, I am not saying Town should or shouldn't do the same, just purely my views on what Bradford City are doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 1:00:28 GMT 1
Town tried appealing outside of Huddersfield. Didn't they drive a bus through Calderdale advertising £100 season tickets? Plus we advertised on local tv. Clearly the cheap season tickets weren't a success, cos we dropped the idea. I dont think we'd be stupid enough to try something out and the abandon it, if it had been a success. And clearly from what other people have said on the thread about having to pay £3 for arses on seats, its clearly something that is not even worth considering.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 9:04:45 GMT 1
Wasn't the "£100 Season Ticket" drive only EVER going to be a one-off to celebrate our centenary, i.e. £100 for 100 years?
Don't think it was ever intended to be a repeatable formula.
Could be wrong though ...
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Post by morrisraspass on Jun 30, 2015 9:22:40 GMT 1
Pinched this from another thread where Cowshed or Dead posted it, just to clarify the losses we make on different tickets.  Thanks for sharing that - I had no idea that what we end up with is so small. Hamstrung doesn't really cover it; that's a full on shafting. |
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Post by kes on Jun 30, 2015 9:25:46 GMT 1
Well done Bradford. It's a bit sad that so many posters have attempted to undermine it. Absolutely. Folk sneering that they prefer our model over theirs need to realise that ours has seen us go about £30M in the red since Mr Hoyle took over. That's not sustainable. Ergo, their model is better. There`s hardly a club in the c`ship that isn`t subsidised by rich owners and running at huge losses. Bradford are actively seeking "Investment" - that in reality means huge losses. I applaud the club for doing cheap season tickets it`s far better than the 5k fans they would attract otherwise - the annoyance comes from having to listen to some of their deluded fans claiming they have a huge fanbase similar to clubs like Wolves - who`d sell 35,000 st`s at Bradford`s knockdown prices not a miserly 10k plus give aways to kids. The reality is that Braford are light years behind Huddersfield in terns of infrastructure - all down to DH but then Chelsea wouldn`t be pulling up many tress if Ken Davy was their owner. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 9:29:47 GMT 1
That sounds a bit of a stupid idea then really. I thought it was quite a good idea, but for the same price as a season ticket, you only get 10 games. For half the price you don't even get 3 games. £25 a game if you don't get a flexi (was £20 previous seasons). Suppose it encourages people to just buy a season ticket. And thats the crux. Would you rather have an 11k gate and the kudos of a 3 day story in summer about immense season ticket sales (based on a load of people buying them despite only intending attending a third of games) Or...would you rather have 8000 season ticket holders, a 10k gate, and DOUBLE the money to invest into the playing budget?? Would you rather be opening against Swindon and Shrewsbury or Hull and Blackburn? |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 30, 2015 11:08:20 GMT 1
Wasn't the "£100 Season Ticket" drive only EVER going to be a one-off to celebrate our centenary, i.e. £100 for 100 years? Don't think it was ever intended to be a repeatable formula. Could be wrong though ... That's what I thought at the time. In the same way DH has mentioned a cheap ST deal for our first season in Prem should we ever make it, again it would be a one off and not sustainable. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jun 30, 2015 11:14:58 GMT 1
Not saying this happens on DATM but read some of the other fan sites and it seems to be the same people that lambast Hoyle and Town for making signings on the cheap and not investing in the team that then complain about match day and season ticket prices and then make comparisons to Bradford.
A lot of these folk then complain when an away game sells out but as they aren’t season ticket holders have been last in line with the category scheme.
Despite spending hundreds of pounds on away tickets, and investing a lot of time in watching Town play away and getting shit faced in the process, they haven’t contributed much to Town’s bank account over the course of the season.
Good luck to Bradford their system works well for them, although I don’t think it could be repeated at many other Clubs.
They are a big City in a lower division, while their wage budget will be decent in league one I doubt it could compete in this division.
Bradford have a massive catchment area and population to go at, arguably more ‘floating fans’ then ourselves. I don’ think they’d sell as many season tickets as we would if we were in League One and both Clubs set season tickets prices at £350 for example.
I think they probably would sell more season tickets then us though if we were in League One and flogged them at the same price as they have this season, as the general population of the two areas is so much bigger.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jun 30, 2015 11:36:51 GMT 1
Wasn't the "£100 Season Ticket" drive only EVER going to be a one-off to celebrate our centenary, i.e. £100 for 100 years? Don't think it was ever intended to be a repeatable formula. Could be wrong though ... You're not wrong. It's a FACT! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:54:29 GMT 1
I don't think it was ever confirmed for it to be a one off, but even if it was, they quickly abandoned the cheap season tickets. If it had been successful, then they would have continued it, whether it was originally intended for one season or not. Town aren't the only club to try it, then scrap it. I think Port Vale and Hartlepool gave it a try.
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Jun 30, 2015 12:38:14 GMT 1
City not signing Stead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:39:57 GMT 1
He's seen your new kit then. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 30, 2015 12:47:50 GMT 1
better offer?? looks like we did him a big favour letting him go...albeit, he took that chance..
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Post by kes on Jun 30, 2015 13:00:07 GMT 1
Stead will have put himself in the shop window while at Bradford and will have plenty of better offers now particularly if he`s prepared to move away fro the north.
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Jun 30, 2015 13:17:13 GMT 1
Stead will have put himself in the shop window while at Bradford and will have plenty of better offers now particularly if he`s prepared to move away fro the north. Plenty of better offers? Scunthorpe/Port Vale... |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jun 30, 2015 13:25:23 GMT 1
Stead will have put himself in the shop window while at Bradford and will have plenty of better offers now particularly if he`s prepared to move away fro the north. Plenty of better offers? Scunthorpe/Port Vale... So like he said then... |
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Post by AndySk on Jun 30, 2015 13:25:33 GMT 1
Fair play Bradford, they seem to look after the fans. I'm all for having a pop at City but not sure how you can here or why you would!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 30, 2015 13:51:15 GMT 1
bilo.. your another fan who thinks he knows what goes on at his club and who makes what and who is getting offers etc..
as with 99.9% you hear rumours or you follow shite on twitter etc..
wells was never leaving bradford to come here etc etc etc.. we sold clayton at least 3 times apparently before he finally moved..
if stead does not stay he has had a better offer, what you may 'think' is a better offer has little or nothing to do with the 'facts' of a better offer to a footballer..if it was simply about money ie; basic wages then it might well be easier to work out or explain..
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Jun 30, 2015 13:57:19 GMT 1
bilo.. your another fan who thinks he knows what goes on at his club and who makes what and who is getting offers etc.. as with 99.9% you hear rumours or you follow shite on twitter etc.. wells was never leaving bradford to come here etc etc etc.. we sold clayton at least 3 times apparently before he finally moved.. if stead does not stay he has had a better offer, what you may 'think' is a better offer has little or nothing to do with the 'facts' of a better offer to a footballer..if it was simply about money ie; basic wages then it might well be easier to work out or explain.. I don't claim to know everything (hence I don't get involved with things like the Wells deal etc). I'm not one to believe Twitter rumours either but thanks for the assumption. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 30, 2015 13:59:44 GMT 1
where did scunthorpe/port vale come from then??? a reliable source???
dont put the other foot out, you dont want to shoot both of em...
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Post by kes on Jun 30, 2015 14:01:09 GMT 1
Stead will have put himself in the shop window while at Bradford and will have plenty of better offers now particularly if he`s prepared to move away fro the north. Plenty of better offers? Scunthorpe/Port Vale... I`d expect Scunthorpe to be as competitive as Bradford next season. Both will be comfortably higher mid table. |
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Jun 30, 2015 14:03:47 GMT 1
where did scunthorpe/port vale come from then??? a reliable source??? dont put the other foot out, you dont want to shoot both of em... Well, let's agree he won't get a championship side and he won't drop to league two. Can't see him going to Sheff Utd or Wigan so it's going to be a club smaller than ours in L1. I actually think he'll go to Chesterfield as Saunders is a fan and they've lost a few attackers recently. I have never claimed to know what any of our players are on and as mentioned, I take little notice of rumours, preferring to wait until deals are confirmed. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 30, 2015 14:12:13 GMT 1
poor reply.. both feet now gone.. your no longer standing, your on your arse...
please dont ever get involved in the 'smaller club' debate...
there are teams that do well and teams that dont..whatever finances are involved..some of our posters learnt the lessons in div 1, some had to wait till we got here to fully appreciate how well/badly teams can do with or without large spending..
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Jun 30, 2015 14:19:25 GMT 1
poor reply.. both feet now gone.. your no longer standing, your on your arse... please dont ever get involved in the 'smaller club' debate... there are teams that do well and teams that dont..whatever finances are involved..some of our posters learnt the lessons in div 1, some had to wait till we got here to fully appreciate how well/badly teams can do with or without large spending.. Gary Roberts Chesterfield (L1) to Pompey (L2). There's a reason transfers like this happen. |
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