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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 16:39:00 GMT 1
Not sure I believe that line as I can't recall anyone staying because they didn't want to leave in the face of a better offer. It was not a fact it was my opinion. If a player has his head turned by a better financial package with which we cannot compete, e.g Peltier MK1, Rhodes and Clayton. Or PL football Hunt and Pilkington. This board generally yesterday wondered why would we sell Coady and the answer came in the club staement today which said that he wanted to pursue the move. This move could only have been engineered by his agent, and once Wolves met our valuation then the deal was concluded. That's just management speak isn't it. Don't believe this head turning concept. The move suited everybody - but me.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 3, 2015 16:40:38 GMT 1
Meh.
Another mercenary comes and goes. At least we keep getting decent coin for them.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 3, 2015 16:43:07 GMT 1
if we just produce young players who we sell quickly just to remain mid to lower end of the championship, then thats probably where we will remain.. more likely to have one very off season where we drop badly into the relegation fight again than having the one season where it all goes well..remember we can sell at x mas as well as every summer so a really good start to a season will possibly just bring more pressure for us to let players go..
the secure future of the club under hoyle looks ok, the actual progress footballing/success wise is probably not so bright..
depends on your view of it really..as a town fan for all my life i will support the securing of the future but its unlikely to attract more bums on seats from the undecided or the potential support..
if you accept that mid table is as good as its likely to get then fine...for the foreseeable future anyway..
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Post by Russlad on Jul 3, 2015 16:43:38 GMT 1
I've just been down to throw my season ticket on the pitch
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 16:46:25 GMT 1
Thanks to the board for selling - it was terribly quiet on here and BOOM we now have an 11 pager !! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by townrwe on Jul 3, 2015 16:46:40 GMT 1
I dont need to respond Ted, You do a good enough job or making yourself look a clown for me to even bother... What I dont like is the fact you try and bully people who dont have the same opinion as your warped one.... Now I know you like trawling through peoples posts so id suggest you have another look and find the one where I said I had mistook him for Hudson somehow... it was about 5 minutes later. I suggest you and your internet bullying bum chums have a look in the mirror. I'm calling you out as an internet bully and questioning your sources. Novak 9 - 0 Bully squad Just for you and your chums Ted..... BULLY - a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates people. It is only because you post lying garbage that you are outed. That is not bullying. By the way deleting your previous trash statements DOES NOT delete them from others who have quoted you. As in your Reece James post.... 'Townre 24 June 'Definately (sic) signing for us. It was agreed when he came on loan with us, just a formality now and obviously we dont want to be paying his wages much before the 1st of July. Heard its a small fee and a BIG sell on.' Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/user/12975/recent#ixzz3elfS1loZRead more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/96591/summer-transfer-thread?page=57#ixzz3eqHpEKyP Ha. You've done it again you saddo. How can you be bothered trailing through posts. Im calling you out as one of the bullying squad. Turning into man city allover again Novak 10-0 bully squad.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 3, 2015 16:49:07 GMT 1
The best of the lot was when he said that Hudson was definitely not coming here, then 2 hours later a picture of Hudson holding a town shirt outside canalside was posted on towns twitter account. Classic. Two hours is along time in football....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 16:50:02 GMT 1
Ha. You've done it again you saddo. How can you be bothered trailing through posts. Im calling you out as one of the bullying squad. Turning into man city allover again Novak 10-0 bully squad. Serious question, why do you bother pretending to be an "in the know"? No-one believes you or seems to be remotely entertained by it. It just leads to people having a pop at you (or bullying, as you call it) for wasting their time.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 3, 2015 16:51:28 GMT 1
So now Coady has gone who do people think / hope we replace him with ? Or is it a case of Billing and Trondstat stepping up. I'd sooner that be the case than Powell signing some dross like Edgar.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 3, 2015 16:53:39 GMT 1
The best of the lot was when he said that Hudson was definitely not coming here, then 2 hours later a picture of Hudson holding a town shirt outside canalside was posted on towns twitter account. Classic. Two hours is along time in football.... And what a success Hudson has been lol, only Blackpool and Fulham conceded more goals than us!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 16:54:02 GMT 1
So now Coady has gone who do people think / hope we replace him with ? Or is it a case of Billing and Trondstat stepping up. I'd sooner that be the case than Powell signing some dross like Edgar. indeed.. time for some to make the step up.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 3, 2015 16:55:20 GMT 1
So now Coady has gone who do people think / hope we replace him with ? Or is it a case of Billing and Trondstat stepping up. I'd sooner that be the case than Powell signing some dross like Edgar. Lol Edgar!
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 16:55:29 GMT 1
I would like to think that any money available should be prioritised for strengthening our defence, I am hoping that Hudson will be better after a full preseason with us but there's no harm in getting a better CB and have Lynch/Hudson/Wallace battle it out to partner him.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 16:56:05 GMT 1
Two hours is along time in football.... And what a success Hudson has been lol, only Blackpool and Fulham conceded more goals than us! And it's all Hudson's fault obviously ![frusty](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/QFtJAKuRrBz11YszZlSp.gif)
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 3, 2015 16:57:48 GMT 1
And what a success Hudson has been lol, only Blackpool and Fulham conceded more goals than us! And it's all Hudson's fault obviously ![frusty](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/QFtJAKuRrBz11YszZlSp.gif) Am not saying it's all his fault, but he certainly contributed!
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 3, 2015 16:57:57 GMT 1
Wolves a bigger club, bigger crowds, more success? This seems to be the understanding of many posters. Back in the 1999/2000 I worked with a Wolves fan and I always thought that our teams were on a par - great successes and failures, but solid Championship sides. We beat them, they beat us... Since then we've both been down to the lower reaches and back again.
Wolves are now suddenly a "big" club. Obviously once being in the Premier League for a season guarantees that you are indeed a bid club - why? It must be to do with money - parachute payments, rich owners willing to spend not in accordance with FFP to get back there.
So is the term big Championship club a club that is just willing to spend money like there is no tomorrow (and I don't necessarily include Wolves here) , at the same time keeping one step ahead of FFP rule implementation?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 17:09:15 GMT 1
Wolves a bigger club, bigger crowds, more success? This seems to be the understanding of many posters. Back in the 1999/2000 I worked with a Wolves fan and I always thought that our teams were on a par - great successes and failures, but solid Championship sides. We beat them, they beat us... Since then we've both been down to the lower reaches and back again. Wolves are now suddenly a "big" club. Obviously once being in the Premier League for a season guarantees that you are indeed a bid club - why? It must be to do with money - parachute payments, rich owners willing to spend not in accordance with FFP to get back there. So is the term big Championship club a club that is just willing to spend money like there is no tomorrow (and I don't necessarily include Wolves here) , at the same time keeping one step ahead of FFP rule implementation? The key is to buy decent players like Afobe, Dickho, Coady under a decent manager. Would think they probably have parachute money and better crowds than us.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 17:10:16 GMT 1
And it's all Hudson's fault obviously ![frusty](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/QFtJAKuRrBz11YszZlSp.gif) Am not saying it's all his fault, but he certainly contributed! Of course he did. Interestingly before he signed we conceded 18 in the 7 games, or more than 2.5 goals per game. After he signed we conceded 63 in his 42 games or 1.5 goals per game. There's no doubt I was hoping for him to be better but some could argue looking at the above numbers that he did improve our goals against column.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 3, 2015 17:10:34 GMT 1
Ruined the nice day, selling a top young player. Also bully boys 6 Nick fighter of justice 0
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 17:13:07 GMT 1
if we just produce young players who we sell quickly just to remain mid to lower end of the championship, then thats probably where we will remain.. more likely to have one very off season where we drop badly into the relegation fight again than having the one season where it all goes well..remember we can sell at x mas as well as every summer so a really good start to a season will possibly just bring more pressure for us to let players go.. the secure future of the club under hoyle looks ok, the actual progress footballing/success wise is probably not so bright.. depends on your view of it really..as a town fan for all my life i will support the securing of the future but its unlikely to attract more bums on seats from the undecided or the potential support.. if you accept that mid table is as good as its likely to get then fine...for the foreseeable future anyway.. Coady wasn't going to put bums on seats though. Weve just had a sad drop in ST sales at a time when everyone presumed Coady would be here next season. Im struggling to see how selling Coady means we're accepting mid table as the limit of our ambitions! The club loses shed loads every year. To wheel and deal in players we can't just invent money and the fans aren't getting behind in big enough numbers to pay for it all. So we have to sell off a better player every now and then when we get a huge offer. Whats wrong with that? Im not sure what the club is supposed to do as an alternative? Keep Coady? make him stay? Not bring in the players Powell is hoping to get due to no funds but keep a disenfranchised lad who doesn't want to be here instead. Good way to start going backwards IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 17:16:17 GMT 1
It's made economic sense to the club As did not renewing my season ticket did to me
Fucking Bournemouth and burnley can get to the prem but we can't compete
Bullshit I'm out
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 17:16:48 GMT 1
Wolves a bigger club, bigger crowds, more success? This seems to be the understanding of many posters. Back in the 1999/2000 I worked with a Wolves fan and I always thought that our teams were on a par - great successes and failures, but solid Championship sides. We beat them, they beat us... Since then we've both been down to the lower reaches and back again. Wolves are now suddenly a "big" club. Obviously once being in the Premier League for a season guarantees that you are indeed a bid club - why? It must be to do with money - parachute payments, rich owners willing to spend not in accordance with FFP to get back there. So is the term big Championship club a club that is just willing to spend money like there is no tomorrow (and I don't necessarily include Wolves here) , at the same time keeping one step ahead of FFP rule implementation? Well fella an average crowd of 22418 in a town of a similar size against 13612 suggests they are a bigger club...they also have fantastic away support.....but hey the world moves on.....more of a chance now for Billing and co....many on here were calling for such players towards the end of last season. Plus historically we have never been a well supported club and the idea that holding onto good players (who want away) will suddenly lead to a massive influx of home support is frankly delusional....re: Coady yes the lad has potential but he's not a world beater....
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Jul 3, 2015 17:18:44 GMT 1
Twas ever thus with Town. We develop a player and he is snatched away.
Let's face it Town is a small club. (At least since the 1920s and maybe the early 1930s.)
I doubt that Town will ever hit the big time again, merely bumble along from Div 2 when doing well to Div 3 when not doing well.
I do not blame Hoyle for selling, after all he is already some 37,000,000 quid out of pocket.
As you can read I am feeling rather 'down' today. Hopefully some time soon I shall see the sun breaking through again.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 17:19:01 GMT 1
It's made economic sense to the club As did not renewing my season ticket did to me Fucking Bournemouth and burnley can get to the prem but we can't compete Bullshit I'm out But you'll be back if/when the slow and steady approach means we might be able to make a fist of staying there when we do.
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Post by Sio on Jul 3, 2015 17:19:38 GMT 1
Wolves a bigger club, bigger crowds, more success? This seems to be the understanding of many posters. Back in the 1999/2000 I worked with a Wolves fan and I always thought that our teams were on a par - great successes and failures, but solid Championship sides. We beat them, they beat us... Since then we've both been down to the lower reaches and back again. Wolves are now suddenly a "big" club. Obviously once being in the Premier League for a season guarantees that you are indeed a bid club - why? It must be to do with money - parachute payments, rich owners willing to spend not in accordance with FFP to get back there. So is the term big Championship club a club that is just willing to spend money like there is no tomorrow (and I don't necessarily include Wolves here) , at the same time keeping one step ahead of FFP rule implementation? I pretty much base club size on crowds, and Wolves get significantly more fans than us. They're a relatively big club
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 3, 2015 17:20:49 GMT 1
Wolves a bigger club, bigger crowds, more success? This seems to be the understanding of many posters. Back in the 1999/2000 I worked with a Wolves fan and I always thought that our teams were on a par - great successes and failures, but solid Championship sides. We beat them, they beat us... Since then we've both been down to the lower reaches and back again. Wolves are now suddenly a "big" club. Obviously once being in the Premier League for a season guarantees that you are indeed a bid club - why? It must be to do with money - parachute payments, rich owners willing to spend not in accordance with FFP to get back there. So is the term big Championship club a club that is just willing to spend money like there is no tomorrow (and I don't necessarily include Wolves here) , at the same time keeping one step ahead of FFP rule implementation? Well fella an average crowd of 22418 in a town of a similar size against 13612 suggests they are a bigger club...they also have fantastic away support.....but hey the world moves on.....more of a chance now for Billing and co....many on here were calling for such players towards the end of last season. Plus historically we have never been a well supported club and the idea that holding onto good players (who want away) will suddenly lead to a massive influx of home support is frankly delusional....re: Coady yes the lad has potential but he's not a world beater.... So, by your reasoning Bradford are a bigger club than we are? They certainly will be this season if their season ticket sales are correct.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 3, 2015 17:21:21 GMT 1
if we just produce young players who we sell quickly just to remain mid to lower end of the championship, then thats probably where we will remain.. more likely to have one very off season where we drop badly into the relegation fight again than having the one season where it all goes well..remember we can sell at x mas as well as every summer so a really good start to a season will possibly just bring more pressure for us to let players go.. the secure future of the club under hoyle looks ok, the actual progress footballing/success wise is probably not so bright.. depends on your view of it really..as a town fan for all my life i will support the securing of the future but its unlikely to attract more bums on seats from the undecided or the potential support.. if you accept that mid table is as good as its likely to get then fine...for the foreseeable future anyway.. Coady wasn't going to put bums on seats though. Weve just had a sad drop in ST sales at a time when everyone presumed Coady would be here next season. Im struggling to see how selling Coady means we're accepting mid table as the limit of our ambitions! The club loses shed loads every year. To wheel and deal in players we can't just invent money and the fans aren't getting behind in big enough numbers to pay for it all. So we have to sell off a better player every now and then when we get a huge offer. Whats wrong with that? Im not sure what the club is supposed to do as an alternative? Keep Coady? make him stay? Not bring in the players Powell is hoping to get due to no funds but keep a disenfranchised lad who doesn't want to be here instead. Good way to start going backwards IMO Exactly, the key is getting a replacing Coady with someone who will come in have an impact and allow us to move them on for a profit in a couple of years time. We simply cannot compete for 20 grand a week players without bankrupting ourselves. Only concern is that Powell will go down the has been signing route, hope I'm wrong and we can pick another Lower League gem or young Premier League reserve.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 17:23:36 GMT 1
lots of clubs gambling money they simply don't have at the moment. We have to hope that at Town, we can get the squad to outperform regularly. Think of it as being like Burnley did it. No big superstars, just a squad of players who are willing to do everything they can for a chance at the big time. Might be more as to why Coady went. If I were deano and someone who has yet to prove himself (as coady) walked into my office with his agent an said he wanted to move to one of our competitors i'd want nothing more than to get him out of the club. (Yeah he may have had a 'release clause fee' in his contract but that didn't mean we had to sell him) . There has to be some degree of loyalty shown by players. He obviously wanted out, and for decent money he went. dean's no fool.
We need players who are willing to be a part of this club. He wasn't.
Goodbye Conor you won't be missed at all.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 3, 2015 17:25:58 GMT 1
Selling one of our best young players to a midland same league rival ?? Confused and annoyed.com
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Post by Sio on Jul 3, 2015 17:26:52 GMT 1
Well fella an average crowd of 22418 in a town of a similar size against 13612 suggests they are a bigger club...they also have fantastic away support.....but hey the world moves on.....more of a chance now for Billing and co....many on here were calling for such players towards the end of last season. Plus historically we have never been a well supported club and the idea that holding onto good players (who want away) will suddenly lead to a massive influx of home support is frankly delusional....re: Coady yes the lad has potential but he's not a world beater.... So, by your reasoning Bradford are a bigger club than we are? They certainly will be this season if their season ticket sales are correct. But we all know that Bradford are getting big crowds because of their low prices - their crowds aren't consistent and are very price-elastic. If Wolves were doing £200 season tickets and suddenly their attendances shot up from our level to 25k, then no, we wouldn't argue that they're a big club. But they have a consistently bigger fanbase than ours, regardless of prices/one-offs.
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