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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 3, 2015 15:38:11 GMT 1
So two weeks ago he was loving it at Town,and wants more assists, goals ect,now he wants to leave,,,he's either a lying cnt,,,or he has the memory span of a guppy,
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Jul 3, 2015 15:47:10 GMT 1
So two weeks ago he was loving it at Town,and wants more assists, goals ect,now he wants to leave,,,he's either a lying cnt,,,or he has the memory span of a guppy,
Are you indicating he doesn't look happy or just a crap model?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 15:47:24 GMT 1
Its just a shame we cant do it like Southampton and develop a good few at the same time, get to the prem, cash in and replace them. We just seem to play at it, one or two at a time, to tick over and remain "sustainable". Surely if this is the model for a sustainable football club, then with a tweak here and there, and an expansion in recruitment, its also the model for a club that can actually turn a profit or push on???... Think it would take more than a tweak to make us profitable! Southampton should be who we try to copy. Suppose back in the 60s Town and Southampton were similar sized clubs but whilst they spent most of the next 40 years in and around the top flight, we spent it doddering around the lower divisions, so now they're a much bigger club. But producing our own has to be a major aim. canalside 'should' help but it'll take time. Nothing wrong with wheeling and dealing in players now though, if we can also continue to progress up the tables. We're actually turning out to be quite good at it.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 3, 2015 15:49:10 GMT 1
Yes, everything thats happened over the past 8 years, REALLY points to us as being a club with no ambition. Think thats the main reason why we're still stuck in league 1 with a squad worth nothing, training at a shite hole we don't own and playing at a stadium we don't own. Ive heard we're scouting round some League 2 clubs for the next malvin kamara to kick us on, so don't worry about any lack of ambition here! Well said Cap'n - some forget what it felt like to be scraping a living in the fourth division. Not every signing has succeeded but we are doing bloody well - "No Ambition" - MY ARSE!! These are the good days my friends........ Any club, football, cricket, rugby at any Level will have highs and lows. You have to ride the highs and survive the lows. This is more evident in local sport, where a well run club will prosper and those poorly run fail or struggle to survive. Its doesn't take much for a high spot to become a low spot or vice versa. A lucky break, an injury, a couple of new players can have a massive bearing on the prosperity of the club. We are lucky to have Deano in charge as he has brought stability to the club, but unless we get a lucky break, pull some cracking players out of the hat, are injury free etc. Then we aren't going to catch the perfect to the premier league. My problem is, Ive played competitive sport all my life, Ive experienced promotions, relegations, good times and bad times. Youll notice I dont mention the average years where we finished mid table..... they are not memorable at all, or years where we did ok off the field. Success and Failure are all part of sporting enjoyment, you need to experience bad times to appreciate good times. However I find the prospect of mid table mediocracy boring......... its not really a good time or a bad time, its a stable time, I say stale, I mean it in the best possible sense.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 15:52:16 GMT 1
Is there a theme here, Clayton modelled in the kit last year and Coady this year.
Who do we want to model it next year?
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 3, 2015 15:52:32 GMT 1
Are you indicating he doesn't look happy or just a crap model?
No I am thinking the club didn't do enough to persuade him to stay
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Post by Guthlac on Jul 3, 2015 15:54:07 GMT 1
With Coady gone now - feels like ANOTHER backward step. It feels like the club's business model is breaking down - buy young talent, hopefully move the club forward then sell when the time is right - Jesus! 12 months on and off he goes, sold for £2M - but he could have been great for us, now he'll be great for one of our rivals! - why aren't we buying off our rivals. This is deeper step into stagnation, we just can't hold talent here.
PS - sorry for being negative but this hurts!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:55:19 GMT 1
Wouldn't be surprised either if he is to be a centre half. Still waiting for Town to sign a good centre-half, right-back & another left-back as back-up, or expecting goals-against to be amongst the worst in the division for the 4th year in a row.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 15:56:54 GMT 1
With Coady gone now - feels like ANOTHER backward step. It feels like the club's business model is breaking down - buy young talent, hopefully move the club forward then sell when the time is right - Jesus! 12 months on and off he goes, sold for £2M - but he could have been great for us, now he'll be great for one of our rivals! - why aren't we buying off our rivals. This is deeper step into stagnation, we just can't hold talent here. Hello........ this is exactly the club model to progress and they've stated it endless times How can your own description "move the club forward" lead to "stagnation" Holding talent means paying Rhodes £40k, and Clayton 20K and that will lead to extinction with our incomings.
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Post by duffterrier on Jul 3, 2015 15:57:43 GMT 1
So two weeks ago he was loving it at Town,and wants more assists, goals ect,now he wants to leave,,,he's either a lying cnt,,,or he has the memory span of a guppy, Or may be two weeks ago he wasn't aware that a "bigger club" would be in for him and offer him much better wages.....could be that two weeks ago he was very happy here and wanted to improve here but had his head turned. For what its worth i liked him from the very start.....he came on when we were being battered against Bournemouth and remember his body language and attitude which put most of the older players to shame and i thought then he would be a town captain within a couple of seasons. Pity i'm wrong about that but,just about every time we've sold a player that we like over the last four or five seasons we have managed to find a replacement that most people have thought was a decent signing (some of them have turned put disappointing and some have been even better than the player they replaced) so i think we need to wait to see who is brought in before we have an eppy about it!
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Post by Guthlac on Jul 3, 2015 16:00:12 GMT 1
With Coady gone now - feels like ANOTHER backward step. It feels like the club's business model is breaking down - buy young talent, hopefully move the club forward then sell when the time is right - Jesus! 12 months on and off he goes, sold for £2M - but he could have been great for us, now he'll be great for one of our rivals! - why aren't we buying off our rivals. This is deeper step into stagnation, we just can't hold talent here. Hello........ this is exactly the club model to progress and they've stated it endless times How can your own description "move the club forward" lead to "stagnation" But he's only been here for bloody 12months into a 3 year contract - that's nothing, plus he's really, really young. Sell him after 3 - 4 years, get some use out of him, but he's hardly been here.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 3, 2015 16:01:35 GMT 1
Best get those refunds sorted deano....... will turn out to be a poor deal for town, good luck to him, Im sure our odds for the drop have also dropped........ 1 million pound profit now for certain relegation in may. I say it in jest really before you all say im overreacting, but this summers recruitment needs to be BANG on, ill wait to pass judgement on the two that have come in, but I could do with a little more inspiration, a foreigner or two may add a bit of excitement!!! Im just not feeling it, and my hope for the future has just left the building with Coady, I dont see anyone else currently really pushing on to the levels I believe he will. Hang on .. this move isn't happening is it ? Supernovak said there was nothing to see and we could all relax .. he called Ted out and questioned his sources ... Ted 1 Novak minus numbers I dont need to respond Ted, You do a good enough job or making yourself look a clown for me to even bother... What I dont like is the fact you try and bully people who dont have the same opinion as your warped one.... Now I know you like trawling through peoples posts so id suggest you have another look and find the one where I said I had mistook him for Hudson somehow... it was about 5 minutes later. I suggest you and your internet bullying bum chums have a look in the mirror. I'm calling you out as an internet bully and questioning your sources. Novak 9 - 0 Bully squad Just for you and your chums Ted..... BULLY - a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates people.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 16:03:01 GMT 1
Hello........ this is exactly the club model to progress and they've stated it endless times How can your own description "move the club forward" lead to "stagnation" But he's only been here for bloody 12months into a 3 year contract - that's nothing, plus he's really, really young. Sell him after 3 - 4 years, get some use out of him, but he's hardly been here. After 3 years he would be able to leave for free, and HE wanted to pursue the move, I can't recall Town selling someone under DH who didn't want to leave.
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Post by ruud1boy on Jul 3, 2015 16:03:01 GMT 1
Deano/Powell are going to have to pull a rabbit out of the bag to placate the fans............ Or offer season ticket refunds. Best players sold year on year for the last 4 years, relegation looms unless he is replaced by better. He was a great athlete and played almost every game. To replace that, is going to very tough. Utter shite. Season ticket refunds? Football clubs sell players. If you bought a season ticket on the basis that the club weren't going to sell players without your agreement, then you're a fool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 16:05:55 GMT 1
Is there a theme here, Clayton modelled in the kit last year and Coady this year. Who do we want to model it next year? As team captain, Peltier also modelled it last season ...
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Post by townatheart on Jul 3, 2015 16:07:37 GMT 1
Deano/Powell are going to have to pull a rabbit out of the bag to placate the fans............ Or offer season ticket refunds. Best players sold year on year for the last 4 years, relegation looms unless he is replaced by better. He was a great athlete and played almost every game. To replace that, is going to very tough. Utter shite. Season ticket refunds? Football clubs sell players. If you bought a season ticket on the basis that the club weren't going to sell players without your agreement, then you're a fool. as regards the particular poster in question, suspect your comment is just about right
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Post by townrwe on Jul 3, 2015 16:07:42 GMT 1
Deano/Powell are going to have to pull a rabbit out of the bag to placate the fans............ Or offer season ticket refunds. Best players sold year on year for the last 4 years, relegation looms unless he is replaced by better. He was a great athlete and played almost every game. To replace that, is going to very tough. Utter shite. Season ticket refunds? Football clubs sell players. If you bought a season ticket on the basis that the club weren't going to sell players without your agreement, then you're a fool. It was obviously written in jest..... jesus. Im still remembering the advertising boards saying "you buy the tickets and we will buy the players" should have been "you buy the tickets and we will buy sell the best players"
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 16:07:35 GMT 1
Hello........ this is exactly the club model to progress and they've stated it endless times How can your own description "move the club forward" lead to "stagnation" But he's only been here for bloody 12months into a 3 year contract - that's nothing, plus he's really, really young. Sell him after 3 - 4 years, get some use out of him, but he's hardly been here. He wouldn't sign contract extension if he had better offers and would leave for nothing. Part of his big value is that he has another 2 years on his deal here. Next season he might not start so much and would have 1 year left in the summer. *IF* he still had clubs wanting him they'd not have to bid as much to get him. Its about selling the right player at the optimum price and in that respect getting £2m for Coady less than a year after paying £350k for him is a brilliant piece of business for Town. And much needed to finance overall squad strengthening.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 3, 2015 16:10:02 GMT 1
But he's only been here for bloody 12months into a 3 year contract - that's nothing, plus he's really, really young. Sell him after 3 - 4 years, get some use out of him, but he's hardly been here. After 3 years he would be able to leave for free, and HE wanted to pursue the move, I can't recall Town selling someone under DH who didn't want to leave. Not sure I believe that line as I can't recall anyone staying because they didn't want to leave in the face of a better offer.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 16:15:19 GMT 1
After 3 years he would be able to leave for free, and HE wanted to pursue the move, I can't recall Town selling someone under DH who didn't want to leave. Not sure I believe that line as I can't recall anyone staying because they didn't want to leave in the face of a better offer. Smithies to spurs? I heard they were hot for him but presumably he chose to stay here.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 3, 2015 16:18:43 GMT 1
we must get some use out of our bright cheap young signings if we wish to 'progress' on the football field..
if we merely want to reduce debt then no point playing the games...just buy cheap and sell quickly for the best prtofit, bollox to the actual football..who cares?
we can still find cheap players in the first division and sell the minute anyone wants to offer us more than we paid.. thats not footballing progress, thats just business...
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Post by Amigo on Jul 3, 2015 16:23:36 GMT 1
So two weeks ago he was loving it at Town,and wants more assists, goals ect,now he wants to leave,,,he's either a lying cnt,,,or he has the memory span of a guppy, If ever a face said "are you sure I'm the right man to be modelling this shirt?"....
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Post by ruud1boy on Jul 3, 2015 16:23:55 GMT 1
Utter shite. Season ticket refunds? Football clubs sell players. If you bought a season ticket on the basis that the club weren't going to sell players without your agreement, then you're a fool. It was obviously written in jest..... jesus. Im still remembering the advertising boards saying "you buy the tickets and we will buy the players" should have been "you buy the tickets and we will buy sell the best players" Did we find Coady in a cupboard? Or did we buy him from another club? Maybe when you win the lottery, you can run the club the right way and only ever buy players. Make sure it's the Euromillions that you win tho', you'll need a fair wedge if you're never going to sell a player ever.
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Post by sheesh on Jul 3, 2015 16:25:33 GMT 1
It potentially makes us more attractive to young players if we can sell ourselves as not only a step up from where they are, but potentially somewhere they can prove themselves without being "held back" in future
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 16:26:13 GMT 1
Hang on .. this move isn't happening is it ? Supernovak said there was nothing to see and we could all relax .. he called Ted out and questioned his sources ... Ted 1 Novak minus numbers I dont need to respond Ted, You do a good enough job or making yourself look a clown for me to even bother... What I dont like is the fact you try and bully people who dont have the same opinion as your warped one.... Now I know you like trawling through peoples posts so id suggest you have another look and find the one where I said I had mistook him for Hudson somehow... it was about 5 minutes later. I suggest you and your internet bullying bum chums have a look in the mirror. I'm calling you out as an internet bully and questioning your sources. Novak 9 - 0 Bully squad Just for you and your chums Ted..... BULLY - a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates people. It is only because you post lying garbage that you are outed. That is not bullying. By the way deleting your previous trash statements DOES NOT delete them from others who have quoted you. As in your Reece James post.... 'Townre 24 June 'Definately (sic) signing for us. It was agreed when he came on loan with us, just a formality now and obviously we dont want to be paying his wages much before the 1st of July. Heard its a small fee and a BIG sell on.' Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/user/12975/recent#ixzz3elfS1loZRead more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/96591/summer-transfer-thread?page=57#ixzz3eqHpEKyP
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 16:28:36 GMT 1
we must get some use out of our bright cheap young signings if we wish to 'progress' on the football field.. if we merely want to reduce debt then no point playing the games...just buy cheap and sell quickly for the best prtofit, bollox to the actual football..who cares? we can still find cheap players in the first division and sell the minute anyone wants to offer us more than we paid.. thats not footballing progress, thats just business... But we're moving up the league table every season. What we're doing is trading in players AND progressing. Rhodes, Hunt, Clayton- the result was the same- the following season we finished higher because the squad as a whole improved. They were all key players which i don't think Coady was, so theres no reason why we should expect the same to happen again. Seems like a policy thats working very well for us. edit- forgot all about Pilkington- hes another key player we cashed in on and then progressed the following season.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 16:29:49 GMT 1
After 3 years he would be able to leave for free, and HE wanted to pursue the move, I can't recall Town selling someone under DH who didn't want to leave. Not sure I believe that line as I can't recall anyone staying because they didn't want to leave in the face of a better offer. It was not a fact it was my opinion. If a player has his head turned by a better financial package with which we cannot compete, e.g Peltier MK1, Rhodes and Clayton. Or PL football Hunt and Pilkington. This board generally yesterday wondered why would we sell Coady and the answer came in the club staement today which said that he wanted to pursue the move. This move could only have been engineered by his agent, and once Wolves met our valuation then the deal was concluded.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 16:31:20 GMT 1
I dont need to respond Ted, You do a good enough job or making yourself look a clown for me to even bother... What I dont like is the fact you try and bully people who dont have the same opinion as your warped one.... Now I know you like trawling through peoples posts so id suggest you have another look and find the one where I said I had mistook him for Hudson somehow... it was about 5 minutes later. I suggest you and your internet bullying bum chums have a look in the mirror. I'm calling you out as an internet bully and questioning your sources. Novak 9 - 0 Bully squad Just for you and your chums Ted..... BULLY - a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates people. It is only because you post lying garbage that you are outed. That is not bullying. By the way deleting your previous trash statements DOES NOT delete them from others who have quoted you. As in your Reece James post.... 'Townre 24 June 'Definately (sic) signing for us. It was agreed when he came on loan with us, just a formality now and obviously we dont want to be paying his wages much before the 1st of July. Heard its a small fee and a BIG sell on.' Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/user/12975/recent#ixzz3elfS1loZRead more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/96591/summer-transfer-thread?page=57#ixzz3eqHpEKyP The best of the lot was when he said that Hudson was definitely not coming here, then 2 hours later a picture of Hudson holding a town shirt outside canalside was posted on towns twitter account. Classic.
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Post by Guthlac on Jul 3, 2015 16:31:41 GMT 1
we must get some use out of our bright cheap young signings if we wish to 'progress' on the football field.. if we merely want to reduce debt then no point playing the games...just buy cheap and sell quickly for the best prtofit, bollox to the actual football..who cares? we can still find cheap players in the first division and sell the minute anyone wants to offer us more than we paid.. thats not footballing progress, thats just business... THATS what I was trying to say. You said it better, I just think, overall, we can't hold onto young talent long enough. They're off at the drop of a hat, but hey, what do I know about buying/selling players, just saying thats how it comes accross, sitting from here.
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Post by Carl2291 on Jul 3, 2015 16:38:15 GMT 1
Well if he wanted to go, can't blame the club for selling up.
Must have offered him a lot of money.
On the positive side, another player who has "progressed" from Town. Getting a big reputation now as a club that improves players, a great club for young talent to use as a stepping stone on to bigger and better contracts.
If you see that as a good thing...
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