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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 1, 2015 23:19:38 GMT 1
I'm either misreading that graph or its wrong. Is it saying that Brentford'so maximum home crowd has been in excess of 21,000?
Griffin Park holds no more then 13,000.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 2:50:58 GMT 1
MK get large traveling support, whilst we've played host to those who are likely to bring few fans.
I agree those Brentford figures must be wrong.
But yeah, our home support is low. Another 2K would be satisfactory.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 2, 2015 6:35:44 GMT 1
The average cost of Football League tickets across its three divisions over the 2014-15 season was £14.08, the organisation has announced. In the Championship the average cost was £15.65, in League One it was £11.72 and in League Two £11.58. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34416023I assume this includes averaging in season ticket prices /sales as well as concessions? They will have thrown in every single cheap ticket they can, including babes in arms, but won't have included walk up premiums and it's hard to see how they have taken categorisation in to account. The statistics are meaningless, particularly when you consider that away fans don't have access to anything other than coincidental cheaper prices (and these are likely to be available only when the away support is limited). Lies, damn lies etc, etc They can do whatever they want; the only thing that matters is whether or not fans decide not to bother attending because they think it's too much. That would appear to be happening. And once someone doesn't turn up and finds something else to do on a Saturday, it is much, much, much more difficult to get them back, I'm afraid. |
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Post by jimmymac on Oct 2, 2015 7:04:41 GMT 1
To be fair I,m a shit supporter of this football club.....i only go to a handfull of home games and a few away games....i am a non season ticket holder this is because I have other commitments at the weekend having worked away all week....respect to those who do all 23 home games this is what I call a dedicated supporter....UTT.....
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Post by townrwe on Oct 2, 2015 7:42:09 GMT 1
Following on from Brentford's home defeat on Tuesday, we have now dropped to second from bottom in the Championship attendance league. LINKWorrying times indeed! Bumped into a town board member this evening and he said that the board are seriously addressing our attendances. It's becoming a big issue. They made a serious misjudgement when they increased top line prices to above £30 whilst selling the best players and up until the last 3 games a consistent 25 run of games described no better than turgid rubbish. Twenty is plenty home and away no categories... no different stand prices... That's the starting point. 249 a season ticket anywhere. |
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Post by townrwe on Oct 2, 2015 7:47:27 GMT 1
You also need to create habit. So this needs to be maintained over many years and get a drift of supporters in rather than away.... and build attendance and habit over many years. It would be great to see 20000+ a week a town, the odd 10 pound ticket will never produce that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 9:00:41 GMT 1
I'm either misreading that graph or its wrong. Is it saying that Brentford'so maximum home crowd has been in excess of 21,000? Griffin Park holds no more then 13,000. You're right. Their best home gate was 10,789 for the opening day at home to Ipswich. The average is wrong too - they've had two gates of just over 10k and three of 9k, so it must be a 9k average. |
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Post by artysid on Oct 2, 2015 9:04:45 GMT 1
For a floating voter paying in advance is an hassle, just turning up and paying on the gate is hassle free.
Charging more because someone doesn't want any hassle is a flawed strategy.
Another suggestion - keep your tickets, get free admission for say 6 old tickets -bit like they do with coffee at McDonalds etc
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Post by stevvy on Oct 2, 2015 9:16:13 GMT 1
Twenty is plenty home and away no categories... no different stand prices... That's the starting point. 249 a season ticket anywhere. While I agree with you, it'll never happen, partly because it'd require all teams to do the same, including the PL, and though they get more than enough TV money etc, they're not going to do that. It might knock wages down in the lower leagues due to less money being available to spend on wages, but at the same time, I don't see players in any league wanting to be paid less money, which means players dropping down from the PL reserve teams who are on say £20k a week having to either take an enormous pay cut (50%+) or sit rotting in the reserves possibly for the rest of their careers unless they can find a move abroad. |
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Post by detox on Oct 2, 2015 10:06:22 GMT 1
I'm surprised the Town board are only fretting over declining attendances now ..they;ve been declining for 3 years. Consistently poor performances and price creep on admission was an obvious recipe for disaster. This season has seen a massive collapse in home support...not helped by selling our best players,not bringing anyone other than 5 loanees, the price hikes again, and the £3 match day surcharge. Also, our inability to win any of the first 6 games and seeing Town at the relegation end, again, won't bring any fans in. Town have got so much wrong in their pricing policy and attitude..expecting fans to keep paying more and more is simply taking the p*ss out of us..so the 'crisis' we now have is all of Town's making. The board now to take a step back and face up to the reality of bad decisions they have made. Piddling around the edges with more special offers and discounts for paying early,or buying bundles of cheap tickets isn't going to do it....only a radical re-think will fix this,and I've outlined what I think they should do in my earlier posts, but I'm not holding my breath and am dismayed dean thinks the asnwer is to reduce SC prices even more, as if half price isn't enough ? deary me Dean..I have 2 words for you..........twenties plenty !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 10:21:36 GMT 1
The average cost of Football League tickets across its three divisions over the 2014-15 season was £14.08, the organisation has announced. In the Championship the average cost was £15.65, in League One it was £11.72 and in League Two £11.58. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34416023I assume this includes averaging in season ticket prices /sales as well as concessions? So football's response to customers saying its too expensive is to go, "its not too expensive...look". Theres only one winner when these type of dialogues fire up between seller and buyer, especially on non essential products. And just to be clear, the winner is the one who holds the power to pay or not, not the one who is holding his hand out waiting for cash. |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 2, 2015 10:25:37 GMT 1
I'm surprised the Town board are only fretting over declining attendances now ..they;ve been declining for 3 years. Consistently poor performances and price creep on admission was an obvious recipe for disaster. This season has seen a massive collapse in home support...not helped by selling our best players,not bringing anyone other than 5 loanees, the price hikes again, and the £3 match day surcharge. Also, our inability to win any of the first 6 games and seeing Town at the relegation end, again, won't bring any fans in. Town have got so much wrong in their pricing policy and attitude..expecting fans to keep paying more and more is simply taking the p*ss out of us..so the 'crisis' we now have is all of Town's making. The board now to take a step back and face up to the reality of bad decisions they have made. Piddling around the edges with more special offers and discounts for paying early,or buying bundles of cheap tickets isn't going to do it....only a radical re-think will fix this,and I've outlined what I think they should do in my earlier posts, but I'm not holding my breath and am dismayed dean thinks the asnwer is to reduce SC prices even more, as if half price isn't enough ? deary me Dean..I have 2 words for you..........twenties plenty ! Are you terrierpark in disguise |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 10:28:54 GMT 1
I'm either misreading that graph or its wrong. Is it saying that Brentford'so maximum home crowd has been in excess of 21,000? Griffin Park holds no more then 13,000. The entire table is wrong... Brentford haven't had a crowd above 11000 this season, Preston have been below 6000 a couple of times. |
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Post by detox on Oct 2, 2015 11:09:00 GMT 1
I'm either misreading that graph or its wrong. Is it saying that Brentford'so maximum home crowd has been in excess of 21,000? Griffin Park holds no more then 13,000. The entire table is wrong... Brentford haven't had a crowd above 11000 this season, Preston have been below 6000 a couple of times. perhaps it includes fans who listened on the radio..? The stats are nonsense taking newport and leeds prices, dividing by 2 and saying - look it's not too expensive ? deary me |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 2, 2015 13:51:30 GMT 1
Blue dogs you don't like what people are saying about over priced pay on the day tickets, but the simple facts are attendances are dropping, the people who are not willing to pay are on here telling htfc why. You might not like it but attendances won't rise significantly until prices change. You can put all your bollocks reasons why they should be expensive or do this the week before Blaa Blaa blaa but the simple facts are fans have stopped coming on the day because of the prices on the day.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 2, 2015 15:17:22 GMT 1
Blue dogs you don't like what people are saying about over priced pay on the day tickets, but the simple facts are attendances are dropping, the people who are not willing to pay are on here telling htfc why. You might not like it but attendances won't rise significantly until prices change. You can put all your bollocks reasons why they should be expensive or do this the week before Blaa Blaa blaa but the simple facts are fans have stopped coming on the day because of the prices on the day. Not at all. Everyone wants to see cheaper prices and a full stadium, but detox seems to have a hidden agenda, he accuses Dean Hoyle of everything from picking the team to trying to con the fans. If you go through my post and can find one where I say prices should not be reduced I will happily apologize. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 2, 2015 15:21:56 GMT 1
Fair play then blue dogs I was mistaken I apologise
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 15:35:01 GMT 1
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Yorkshire is often held up as a standard bearer in sport in recent years (since the London Olympics, backed up by Tour De France etc).
If Barnsley, Doncaster and Bradford can do it, at what will likely be the games with the highest away followings, albeit in a division below...then why can't we bang our collective heads together with the Sheffield clubs, Leeds, Boro and Hull, and say, "right, when we all meet, its £20, we're setting the benchmark for Yorkshire value for professional football within Yorkshire....do the rest of football have the balls to follow, because this is the right thing to do. We are the so called 'Yorkshire Club'...so let's be in the middle of bringing the entire region together...do we as a club have the influence and the wherewithal to make this happen?
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Post by softboy on Oct 2, 2015 16:19:51 GMT 1
There seems to be a feeling on this thread that if walk up prices were around £20 we would see a reasonable increase in attendances.
Well - Forest was £15 (and we didn't) and MK Dons is £10 (and we won't).
If people really do feel that low prices are the way forward then I suggest they vote with their feet, turn up to the MK Dons game in numbers and then DH might just think "do you know what - if we do reduce prices then people will turn up" - over to us I would say.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 16:30:24 GMT 1
There seems to be a feeling on this thread that if walk up prices were around £20 we would see a reasonable increase in attendances. Well - Forest was £15 (and we didn't) and MK Dons is £10 (and we won't). If people really do feel that low prices are the way forward then I suggest they vote with their feet, turn up to the MK Dons game in numbers and then DH might just think "do you know what - if we do reduce prices then people will turn up" - over to us I would say. No, there seems to be a feeling on this thread that one off price reductions won't make much difference, it has to change FOR THE SEASON. Walk up / occasionals don't plan their matches around when Town offer deals. They plan their matches around their life circumstances, and at the end of that, they look at the price and go, "sod that". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 16:35:18 GMT 1
There seems to be a feeling on this thread that if walk up prices were around £20 we would see a reasonable increase in attendances. Well - Forest was £15 (and we didn't) and MK Dons is £10 (and we won't). If people really do feel that low prices are the way forward then I suggest they vote with their feet, turn up to the MK Dons game in numbers and then DH might just think "do you know what - if we do reduce prices then people will turn up" - over to us I would say. Forest - Thursday night on Sky. MK Dons - Tuesday night. Even if you're trying to tap in to new/returning fans for promo offers a midweek game is obviously not the right one to chose. Saturday 3pm against a play-off contender |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 2, 2015 16:42:14 GMT 1
Maybe they should have a trial period of say half a dozen games at a flat entry fee of £20. These also need to be well advertised and not just on the website and at the preceding match.
They also ought to be looking to take advantage of the 30,000ish students who attend Huddersfield Uni, by introducing a matchday student price. The club could employ a couple of people to hand out leaflets in the bars & clubs on student nights and have posters up all over the Uni. Some of these students who come from all over the place may ultimately settle in the area and in future have families themselves who could be future supporters. At the moment they have to pay full price on the day and with their limited budgets, there's little chance they're going to spend it on Town unless you give them some incentive.
Having moved away from the area, I'm not sure what if any town centre advertising/marketing there is these days, but on my return visits (3 games so far this season), I see very little of it.
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Post by rocky on Oct 2, 2015 17:07:26 GMT 1
There seems to be a feeling on this thread that if walk up prices were around £20 we would see a reasonable increase in attendances. Well - Forest was £15 (and we didn't) and MK Dons is £10 (and we won't). If people really do feel that low prices are the way forward then I suggest they vote with their feet, turn up to the MK Dons game in numbers and then DH might just think "do you know what - if we do reduce prices then people will turn up" - over to us I would say. Forest - Thursday night on Sky. MK Dons - Tuesday night. Even if you're trying to tap in to new/returning fans for promo offers a midweek game is obviously not the right one to chose. Saturday 3pm against a play-off contender Maybe, but if enough people took advantage of what offers are actually available, it might encourage the club to do what you suggest. Why can't sufficient people turn up v MK on a Tuesday night for the offer a success? (There will obviously be some who can't do a night match, but the majority will be able to). It's like some fans are trying to lay down conditions to the club. 'Nah, I can't be arsed if it's a tenner on a Tuesday night, but I might consider it on a Saturday & oh, make sure it's against good opposition'! Everyone knows how hard it is for club's like Town in the Championship & some fans need to get back to actually supporting the club, rather than thinking of reasons not to. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 18:00:01 GMT 1
Maybe they should have a trial period of say half a dozen games at a flat entry fee of £20. These also need to be well advertised and not just on the website and at the preceding match. They also ought to be looking to take advantage of the 30,000ish students who attend Huddersfield Uni, by introducing a matchday student price. The club could employ a couple of people to hand out leaflets in the bars & clubs on student nights and have posters up all over the Uni. Some of these students who come from all over the place may ultimately settle in the area and in future have families themselves who could be future supporters. At the moment they have to pay full price on the day and with their limited budgets, there's little chance they're going to spend it on Town unless you give them some incentive. Having moved away from the area, I'm not sure what if any town centre advertising/marketing there is these days, but on my return visits (3 games so far this season), I see very little of it. Town sell cheap tickets at a shop inside the uni against forest you could buy one for 3 quid |
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2015 18:13:28 GMT 1
Maybe they should have a trial period of say half a dozen games at a flat entry fee of £20. These also need to be well advertised and not just on the website and at the preceding match. They also ought to be looking to take advantage of the 30,000ish students who attend Huddersfield Uni, by introducing a matchday student price. The club could employ a couple of people to hand out leaflets in the bars & clubs on student nights and have posters up all over the Uni. Some of these students who come from all over the place may ultimately settle in the area and in future have families themselves who could be future supporters. At the moment they have to pay full price on the day and with their limited budgets, there's little chance they're going to spend it on Town unless you give them some incentive. Having moved away from the area, I'm not sure what if any town centre advertising/marketing there is these days, but on my return visits (3 games so far this season), I see very little of it. Good ideas but problem is if they do six matches at twenty quid you'll have a lot of whinging season ticket holders guaranteed. New fans are the way ahead, may as well give up trying to get the fair weathered through the turnstiles. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards |
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Post by artysid on Oct 2, 2015 19:14:39 GMT 1
Forest - Thursday night on Sky. MK Dons - Tuesday night. Even if you're trying to tap in to new/returning fans for promo offers a midweek game is obviously not the right one to chose. Saturday 3pm against a play-off contender Maybe, but if enough people took advantage of what offers are actually available, it might encourage the club to do what you suggest. Why can't sufficient people turn up v MK on a Tuesday night for the offer a success? (There will obviously be some who can't do a night match, but the majority will be able to). It's like some fans are trying to lay down conditions to the club. 'Nah, I can't be arsed if it's a tenner on a Tuesday night, but I might consider it on a Saturday & oh, make sure it's against good opposition'! Everyone knows how hard it is for club's like Town in the Championship & some fans need to get back to actually supporting the club, rather than thinking of reasons not to. That's exactly what the floating 'fan' is doing and the Club has a choice- listen to them and maybe, just maybe, entice some of them to come to matches, or ignore them and don't. |
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Post by artysid on Oct 2, 2015 19:40:01 GMT 1
This may not be a good analogy (or maybe it is) but I like to eat fish and chips everytime I come back up home,
but if I went into a fish shop and the owner said
“Sorry but you’re not a regular like that bloke over there who comes in every week, so the cost will be double to you, and by the way if you didn’t ring up to pre-order that's an extra couple of quid on top too.”
I‘d walk out.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 2, 2015 19:48:59 GMT 1
Theres some good intentioned ideas and comments on this thread, but the big stumbling block is that it would only work if ALL clubs do it.
otherwise all you're achieving is to reduce HTFCs income, which means we can't afford the better players like Huws, which in turn means the team struggles, which in turn means none of these floating pay on the day fans turn up, even at the cheap prices.
It needs to be a measure across the board and properly enforced otherwise it just puts you at a big disadvantage- as our old friends the chickens are finding out.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 2, 2015 19:55:55 GMT 1
Theres some good intentioned ideas and comments on this thread, but the big stumbling block is that it would only work if ALL clubs do it. otherwise all you're achieving is to reduce HTFCs income, which means we can't afford the better players like Huws, which in turn means the team struggles, which in turn means none of these floating pay on the day fans turn up, even at the cheap prices. It needs to be a measure across the board and properly enforced otherwise it just puts you at a big disadvantage- as our old friends the chickens are finding out. Town's income is reducing now because increasing gate prices have driven people away. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 20:51:15 GMT 1
Forest - Thursday night on Sky. MK Dons - Tuesday night. Even if you're trying to tap in to new/returning fans for promo offers a midweek game is obviously not the right one to chose. Saturday 3pm against a play-off contender Maybe, but if enough people took advantage of what offers are actually available, it might encourage the club to do what you suggest. Why can't sufficient people turn up v MK on a Tuesday night for the offer a success? (There will obviously be some who can't do a night match, but the majority will be able to). It's like some fans are trying to lay down conditions to the club. 'Nah, I can't be arsed if it's a tenner on a Tuesday night, but I might consider it on a Saturday & oh, make sure it's against good opposition'! Everyone knows how hard it is for club's like Town in the Championship & some fans need to get back to actually supporting the club, rather than thinking of reasons not to.And here lies the problem, the floating fans aren't being listened to. I, like many, can't dedicate every Saturday to watching the football team I support. I choose to play cricket and my career path means that Saturday's aren't necessarily free, in fact many people don't work 9-5 mon-fri anymore. These are genuine reasons - many will have them. I as a floating fan have to pay double what the ST pays, is that fair? No. Will I pay it? No. Some people commute to work to, some Town fans even live in other cities. Tuesday nights are a pain in the arse compared to Saturday's when you're replying on trains etc to get you home. I said this earlier in the thread - imagine getting back from Manchester or wherever at 7pm after a long day - do you go watch football eating a rancid pie and drinking overpriced piss or go home for a home cooked tea? When will I part with my money to watch my football club? When it's cheaper and represents value for money. So on the 20th when my freinds are watching Town I'm going to do something else with the £33.50 the club think it's ok to charge. And criticising fans who chose not to pay their hard earned cash for their own reasons isn't the way to encourage them to return. Oh and I support the club, just not the way it's currently being run in regards to pricing. |
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